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you case, state progression of the section 12 of the terrorism max, even the great palestinian scholar and author of returning the palestinian memoir in search of fatima and married to another man, talk to god the economy has been questioned by u. k. security forces, an ex associated fellow at m a 6 link chatham house, and they just book is one stage, the only democratic future for palestine, israel she joins me now from london. talk economy. thank you so much. you being one of the most eloquent to a tell is all the crimes committed against palestine by u. k. u. s. you, um, does have premises. i want to get to the genocide in the war and devin and in a minute, i mean, unbelievably, to some you have been targeted, thrown out of labor by a style man and his regime and questioned by police just what happened before we get into the geo political context of what happened to you on a micro level as well. so slowly i was expelled from the labor of bulky

uh but usually because, um i, i, they, uh i had been a member for since 1986. i think um and a bunch a few months ago um the uh shop and the uh the patch. and they said you are accused of anti semitism. and now the editor zip forward was various articles i have written. one of them was 4 years old and they were not recent, and they were off to cruise, which indeed i had written. and about israel, that's what i always write about. that is what i speak about is around not jewish, but israel. so i wrote back the day, i know you additions, so i heard back and i said i did this new anti semitism. yeah,

i shoot the accusation. this is about as well. and i've always been concerned about is there is, there is a state, it is not the predicted. gotcha, great. i. so your acquisitions are baseless and that was that it was just, i had never bought a drive at all. they came back with i think an identical they just should be should judge again and friends. we got jeremy called in on this program and you know, he's been take talent. yeah. obviously. and he's the full, the leader of the body. that body and i sorry to interrupt, but these really invested to britain was invited this week to be style my labor conference to be auto valley and the 8th at every school, every most, every 2nd house as a legitimate target for as well. so, you know, maybe you will please join us in that policy. well, frankly, i wouldn't want to be in the party. the bike is summer. i don't want to be in

a property that you should see or not israel a and a have to come to sort of to the police. i was when i, when i hear about, because that's a neg, another o p o. well, this was really something completely unexpected and did it at the beginning of this year, this year? well, i received an invitation to a book festival and that's fine because of my new book for true kind of, you mentioned one state. and i was invited to give a talk about this book. so i went to long, this is, this takes place, this book textbook takes page in a small a, c, p, and power in sausage love that it's a, it's a time for lewis. and as you know, the, the sort of people that come to the festival,

uh and educated what, you know, the front line, the van to find that the fed into 5 of them. yeah, absolutely. so, you know, i, i, to end up with my, with my book and i started to speak and i said i was addressing the audience, which was your all typically, well, meaning english people. my daughter really has an awful lot to do with what they call sign it. and so i said, let me just kind of find, 1st of all, there are organizations and a names that you hear. you may not know necessarily all there is to know about them . let me just start off by telling me something about how much i now you may know or the org is may know who the message did you find in the west. in britain, in particular, it is, it is classified as

a terrorist organization. so when i spoke i said how math is actually posted in for it to pull a party as they have various functions. because they are the former government garza and also they have a section which is a resistance against occupation or resistance against israel. that's what, how much is um and somebody in the audience is hooked up and said, you haven't said they're a terrorist organization. a power job was too much, anita. they did she mention him as in a public meeting, you have to see a prescribed terrorist organization. you have to add that um so. ready i haven't done that, and this person said that you use 4 terrace score there is most of me and i

said, no, no, i should. i didn't mention that because suppose i'm speaking to you, the representing the power she knew point to view that as an instructor agreed not to have much as a terrorist organization. and how that was that this person went a complaint to the police that she was very distressed by what i've said, etc. please go to touch with me. i couldn't believe it is about 2 or 3 weeks off to the bestbuy for the boxes, but he's going to go up saying you are accused of being supported terrorism. and we'd like to interview you. and this is an interview under caution. so it's a 4 month and i really, really, i could not believe this was happening to me. i was to the size box then do go there without the lawyer. so i actually got in touch with, she stopped. they looked off to me and it was, it was bab, serious. so i,

my, on my understanding is it is against the law in, in britain, in this way. i mean, they can, the police can stop you without reasonable suspicion. how does you say a lebanese resistance, guys, a resistance, all of that is considered a terrorist. these are, these are terrace groups. but anyway, despite all of that, most british people are against the magenta side and against the stomach, governments are coming or israel polls showing most americans support to palestine at. now, does that mean it's even more critically important of critical importance that legislation in the united states, obviously as the 1st amendment. so it's much more difficult there though they have come the mass student protests against the the genocide in say, britain, presume these are all important now to legislate so that i don't know works of fiction works a lot. i worked with culture works of journalism. all of this can be,

can be prevented from reaching the public now in britain and invest in europe. yes, this is very serious indeed. you know, israel hasn't been in the and it has a very, very. ready big reach. so if we've got a situation now where if you never mind why to or speaking about how to sign or, or how mouse or whatever actually issue when a badge which shows the published in slab or shows something like, or has a silken like sleep out of sign this can also then in trouble, the reality of the neighbor party conferences the just and did here in britain and a, somebody a was removed from the hole because he was

wearing a badge which said free pat aside. i used to smooth badges with no talking about huge flags. so, you know, it's like that. and it's extremely serious. the thing is that i know you mentioned a is riley power there. and we've had joined much time or on the professor from chicago's road. these really know be and of course i'm john, excuse me, in on, but you know, i, we, as everyone made a big mistake and it's not actually israel, i mean, these headlines by didn't fails to rain. and yahoo has risk of all the war. increases is, is not really the united states that is doing this. instead of blaming israel. you brain wash an entire population to believing a little arabs are evil, the, there's a holocaust in western europe. and then you pull british your, it would be in the american weapons and then you know, in the, uh, is there any occupational forces in me any pulling the trigger? is it not a product of us empire? is clos, not missing from this analysis?

yes, i agree. with you, i agree with you because you see so long as you can a, a point to sing the name as an individual in this case making yahoo o, at something called d is around not be at then in a way you are observing the real culprits here, which on the d, the head should be at pyar of the american bar. and in that sense, uh, britain and other european countries are complicit of working with the american empire in order to impose their will on peoples in many parts of the world. this is not, you know, this is part of this part of the american, the street. we just bought

a bridge where people probably went out to other parts of the world uh, engaged in what we can cause you to be in genocide, to act. that was new t v shots, what they did at the time, but i have no doubt they would it be similar to the ext if we can see they've been treated by israel, they would have been done against native americans against appalachian mountain, australia, against native canadians we will never know, but we must assume that that's what happened. and as a result of those generous tied to act against indigenous people at britain established itself as the you losers. and then you inhabitants of these areas search. this is something in the history, one could say the dna uh,

a recent end of the west. and unfortunately, we in palestine are having to suffer today. the kind of a tradition which should have been over at the end of the 19th century. but unfortunately, it's not um, and the step when they establish the simpler calling me that the point is around. but in reality it, they did it by those methods that they employed previously to come to america, etc. and it's all bad luck that we weren't quote in this read at the time, which is when we're over the world. so there was a shift away from colorado intuitive some from imperialism on to

independence. founding the economy. i'll just stop here. the more from the author of one state to be only democratic future for palestine is well off to this by the there's no end in sight over how you're going to continue to destroy the earth. is the case for the madness of the people. i tried to go to the gym, but i'm certainly not ready to fight russia. this is also a pursuit. this is the 3rd world lunacy re washing press for so the funder line likes to say we have the tools while we just start with stability and business

deals to living on that. we have very close propaganda. you know, price here in your i think we don't know the aftermath any time that you're not allowed to ask questions, you should ask all of the questions. the more questions ask the better the answer is will be the welcome back to going on the right. now i'm still here with the author, one state, the only democratic future of, of alice and israel. don't take out the economy, the economy i interrupted you in the fall when were you talking about the timing of this latest to genocide? i should just add before i let you continue on, on that that uh why is it doing list or listen to ends in a blinking i don't know what you think when he speaks about how he's trying desperately to stop this genocide when in fact uh when he never uses the word genocide when in fact, he's boring in the weapons and giving cover and support without which the genocide could all continue. quite frankly, if i look at the big,

i would be very embarrassed. i would be too embarrassed to look. might see you could my space the memory because how you can carry out the chevron of visiting various countries. talking about spar, talking about american the american road in, in bringing a piece of resolution to the con. ready how we can do that for the straight face here? no, because he, he knows very well that there is a way in which this can all come at the united states turns the pop offs. arms no arms that they're providing, it's around the from said, providing israel in order to keep the genocide really well. they have to do is turn

time to tap off. i'd say right, isn't, i'm sorry. that's a new mot. you're on your own. it'll be in the end of the general side and the ends of the, of the, of the current chaise of this company. they don't do it. and therefore, all the speeches they make, all these attempts at. and i do know how they have this sort of colorful vocab, bigger like a news do not turn to working night and day this stop in order to try to persuade people that they really are continuing the f 19 very well. they are a doing and a betting, and in fact there are who spend most i'm but then, but why did the journalist believe this story that it is bite and genocide? joe and our goal is terrace. that. that'd be

a bit of the brakes on the increasing the regional whitening war as israel booms, syria, iraq, iran never than a human and probably jordan to the mix. well, no, jordan, there's nothing to mix. jordan is very essential in as part of this game because jordan is a buffer state. the project is around from, of sources deal. i think even join even the different paint the king refused to meet netanyahu during the course of these events. and even some of these a usually trusted allies of israel a lot because one thing that i do indeed look, it's really difficult for, i mean, there's a whole other subject about the, the arab states. what there really is how they continue to

maintain a diplomatic ties with israel. it's quite strongly, you know, there's not a, not a single stake has expelled these really invested the has terminated. it's diplomatic ties to israel as well, no savvy side of uranium. you're certainly not doing what the americans want them want them to do. but, but i mean back to what i was saying earlier, does that mean that the whole, you know, edward said many people talk about the christian palestinian scholar edward site is the source of. so much knowledge of generations. i've been to a time for that. there was a critique by age as i would famously the indian scholar. that is all of what has been written about palestine and obviously your book moves on the debates to make one state solution a sense of states thing i want to get onto the as it mr. trick that this is about the united states and empire. it's north about israel,

it's north about the balfour declaration, i suppose, the vassal britain know a vassal states of united states. and does that mean the united states has to be attacked directly? the lebanese resistance moved once and the resistance, reuben delagarza, they don't, they, they're not going to make any impact by attacking israel. it doesn't have to be, you know, uh or nothing is really has a very important group to play in a, in the question of getting there and so by attracting for a restricting the freedom of action is around. you want to get that the unimportant rocks of the american them by no, i don't see that. you can just say we read, it's rather lower and let's just go for america. but that does not mean one is not where you have to be aware of the relationships. yeah. you have to be aware that

this is the way it works. so when you are engaged in political systems or action of any kind and have to understand what it is you're really doing. now, i think that israel is one of the most important tools of am fire. and you can see that by the way, that all the western states made by merrick that are at this sprint to protect israel and to keep it on its feet. so you know, that shows you, it's a measure of its value to them. so therefore, if you attack it with you, obviously you attacks that as well, but you do it as i say, knowing knowing, knowing what georgia week the palestine has good of us near universal the international community. if i can use that phrase,

which is so misuse in media or in nato countries, a backs palestine daily and yet still from russia and from china. the 2 most important members, arguably on the security council, who i don't know whether you feel can be doing more. they talk about a 2 state solution that may be because boots in and she didn't being as no read your latest book. but why is it they this phrase is used still by lead is of countries, but i've expressed absolute solidarity with the palestinian cause. most countries in the world probably yeah, the story of the tuesday to should, is distorted already to you know, the, the, the issue is actually most people don't understand is that the notion of a palestinian state um, as an on site d is real estate,

which is the 2 state solution, this is something that was issued by the published didn't use them so but the reason for them doing that is a big huge. there's been a, they don't understand. the reason that the palestinians were interested in that idea was because they have feelings and they're desperate that they would use the whole country. and that's exactly what's happening now that they didn't want to lose or have it's not. so in a way what they were saying was, okay, let's have a smooth pump and it's not even though it's on fat, you don't get the original native population 22 percent of their original home on it. so that's not fair. however, the brothers to me and you were saying, as it was, look, we'll take that for now and uh, you know,

lives decide to know the date. so it's that was the process to me and the honest person and position, nobody didn't even start the language in which it was dressed up at now the idea of 2 states was pounced on by the west. because if you think about it, it shows it from phillips quite a few functions. first of all, if you talk about to stage age means you are not the n t is right. is where continues to be that exact as it is, shape does it runs in 2 states, sir, is her, is present in the 2 states. however, at the same time, you as a 3rd party, as, as the so called international community on not seen, israel must continue and to help with the palestinians. oh nothing. so we're seeing the palestinians design as something for good sense. so we have are taking it for

a state for the palestinians, even though it's on a fixed, on their original. that is the truth about the 2 state solution. and these people are, and if you know these forces and actors who support society, they want to be honest and see what i've just said, which is that this is not have on the indigenous people, at least if you want to sugar land, make it 5050 if your making it at a 8020 at your beach, it's been around san ok. it's the most that we can try to a lot to the past. that would be the only specific an independent singles could make some sort of choice. but what they've done is they've talked about the 2 state solution and you have not lifted a finger to make it up. i have said nothing in my book,

but on many, okay. if you believe it in the 2 states, then you, i'm the obligation to show us how it can happen. because if you look at the map, look at the map of these rooms. i don't even mean now. i mean, before, 20 years ago, in the following, not just 6 to 7. you could see the number of is really cooling is springing up on over the west bank and of the time, or because up to on what piece of land is the palace. the news, the going to be, which i'm going to make sound all the more strange that the china in rush or i can be a still using that phrase may be. but just finally, as we're running out of time britain using accurate terry base, i don't know how many soldiers that we don't know that keeping it secret about

their aid to israel, full, the genocide, making them complicit. bill buns with the c i a back and forth with most said you worked at the p a and the palestinian authority. how to blame? aside from all of that, is the elite plus of palestinian bureaucracy for the genocide of like of which we haven't seen. i'll give a since the holocaust i don't think that they they took that to beat. so the trend of side. no, i think it's really squarely behind that genocide and it's western backups that's let's be clear about that box. you could talk about the fact that the, uh, the routing in each of the palestinians has not done anything really about opposing instead of side, except by talking about just a they've continued with the same arrangements. israel, however,

i don't really to tell you the truth. i don't expect much more of an i don't see people to waste time criticizing because this is about assuming this or this is something that was set up on the patient. it was set up by the occupied by the colonize those arrangements on not 80 and a tour to world history. okay. i agree with dr. got it kind of me sorry, we run out of time and thank you so much i as well. thank you. and i would very much to read my book and get to understand why it is that i use paper one state over the 2 state solution. thank you. that's it for the show. all continued condolences to those very by u. k. u s. u on genocide will be back on monday to investigate who is really pulling the strings behind vitamin hours in washington with malik obama brother of the 44th you as president barack obama. until then keep in touch my with my social

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breaking news this, our i new wave of is really strikes is reported in the lebanese capital overnights us casualties lights at the sides of the attack where it is to be able to fly strategic or targeted. it was a carpet bombing on the residential area of stuff. here are correspondents in the root reports from the scene of a series of must sit by the tax with one of them reportedly tar think has fall a sheet. the middle east is at the brink of full blown war, which it seems some keenly wished to see to transpire. fresh.