that of us later, the syrian state of ed love has seen wives celebrations over the militant seems to killing theory and political analyst and academic isabella side on told us those groups are not affiliated with official, damascus. the what's happening in the isn't great representation of the the americans cream and the is the reason it is a great representation of what the new middle east, the, the americans and the west. they want it to be. they have the right to be happy because as well uh, i know with the i mean the city and government, along with the russian troops, along with his well known with all of our allies. we made the biggest projects in

the reason backs by and do you see we have to pay on the projects on the ice if let's not focus on the people who are there currently who are celebrating secondary and people say so celebrating this beginning august. the law, those are not cv and people, those people are part of the u. s. is there any projects in syria? they don't represent the same people. all right, just say with our to international. i'll be back with much more news and less than half an hour. now in the meantime, as always, be sure to visit our website, r t dot com for the very latest breaking news and updates by the

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questioned by you. k security forces and ex associated fellow at m a 6 link chatham house, and they just book is one stage the only democratic future for palestine, israel, she joins me now from london. a dr. economy. thank you so much. you being one of the most eloquent to tell us all the crimes committed against palestine by u. k. u. s. you, um, does have premises. i wanna get to the genocide in the war and devin in, in a minute. but uh, i mean, unbelievably, just, um you have been targeted thrown out of labor by a style man and his regime and questioned by police just what happened before we get into the geo political context of what happened to you on a micro level as well. so slowly i was expelled from the labor of bulky uh, but usually because, um i, i, they, uh, i had been a member for since 1986. i think. um, and uh,

about 18 months ago. um the, uh, something the uh, the patch. uh, and they said, you are accused of uh, december, december and now the editorship with forward was various articles i have written. uh, one of them was 4 years old. and they were not recent. and they were off to close. uh which indeed a 100 and about is around. that's what i always write about. that is what i speak about is around not jewish there, but it isn't. so um i wrote back the the few additions. so i heard back and i said, i did this new episode of this of yeah, i shoot the accusation, this is about as well. and i've always been concerned about is there is, there is

a state, it is not the predicted category. i. so your accusations are baseless and that was that it was just, i had never bothered to right after they came back with i think an identical they just should be, should judge again and friends. we got jeremy called in on this program and you know, he's retakes taft. yeah. obviously. and he's the full, the leader of the body. that body had, i sorry to interrupt. but these really invested to britain was invited this week to be style my labor conference to be auto valley and days at every school, every most, every 2nd house as a legitimate dog and for as well. so you know, maybe you will please join us in that policy. well frankly. ready i wouldn't want to be in the party, the bike is summer. i don't want to be in a party. thank you. sure. curves here now i'm to israel a and a have to come to sort of to the police. i was when i,

when i hear about because that's a neg, another o p o. well, this was really something completely unexpected and did it at the beginning of this year, this year? well, i received an invitation to a books as well, and that's fine because about my new book, which kind of mentioned one state. and i was invited to give a talk about this book. so i went along, this is, this takes place, this book textbook takes page in a small, a, c, p, a town in sausage lumber at each time called luis. and, uh, you know, the, the sort of people that come to the festival, uh, and educated. what's your quote number uh, 9 on the front line, the van to find the thought i didn't divided them slightly. so you know, i,

i to end up with my, with my book and i started to speak. and i said i was addressing the audience, which was your typically well, meaning english people, my doubts really had an awful lot to do with what they called sign it. and so i said, let me just kind of find, 1st of all, there are organizations and names that you hear. you may not know necessarily or there is to know about them. let me just start off by telling me something about how much i now you may know or the org is let me know that your message did you find in the west in britain, in particular, it is, it is classified as a terrorist organization. so when i spoke i should have that this is actually a student for a party as they. ready they have various functions because they are the

former government garza and also they have a section which is a resistance against occupational resistance against israel. that's what, how much is um and somebody in the audience is hooked up in sage. you haven't said they're a terrorist organization, a power outage. i was too much, anita, did she mention him as in a public meeting? you have to say a prescribed terrorist organization. you have to add that. and so. ready i haven't done that under this person said, do you support terrorist score? there is more something. and i said, no, no, i said i didn't mention that because suppose i'm speaking to you. the representing the by the she knew point of view, that as an instructor agreed not to have much as

a terrorist organization. and how that was that this person went a complaint to the police. that she was very distressed by what i've said, etc. please go to touch with me. i couldn't believe it is about 2 or 3 weeks off to the bestbuy for the boxes. but he's going to go up saying you are accused of being supported terrorism. and we'd like to interview, and this is an interview under caution. so it's a form of add. i really, really, i could not believe this has happened to me to the size box then do go there without the lawyer. so i actually got in touch with ashley stopped. they looked off to me and it was, it was back serious. so am i on the understanding is it is against the law in, in britain, in this way. i mean, they can, the police can stop you without reasonable suspicion. how does you say the

lebanese resistance guys are resistance? all of that is considered a terrorist. these are, these are terrorist groups. but anyway, despite all of that, most british people are against the genocide and against the stomach. governments are coming off is around polls showing most americans support the palestine at. now . does that mean it's even more critically important of critical importance that legislation in the united states, obviously as the 1st amendment. so it's much more difficult there. they have come. the mass student protests against the, the genocide you can say, britain, presume these are all important. now to legislate so that i don't know works of fiction works of art, works of culture. what's a journalism? all of this can be, can be prevented from reaching the public now in britain then invest in europe use . this is a serious indeed. you know, israel hasn't been in long and it has

a very, very big reach. so if we go to a situation now where uh, if you or never mind, right, you are speaking about the sign or, or how mouse or whatever actually issue with a badge which shows the published and then slide, or shows something like, or has a silken like sleep on the side, this can also then in trouble, the reset of the neighbor party conference is just ended here in britain and a, somebody a was removed from the hole because he was wearing a badge which said free pat aside. i used to smooth badges with no talking about huge flags. so, you know,

it's like that. and it's extremely serious. the thing is that i know you mentioned a is really power there. and we've had joined much time or on the professor from chicago's wrote these really low b. and of course, i'm john, excuse me, in on. but you know, i, we, as everyone made a big mistake and it's not actually israel. i mean, these headlines by didn't fails to rain and yahoo has risk of all the war. increases is, is not really the united states that is doing this. instead of blaming israel. a, you brain wash an entire population into believing a little arabs are evil. the, there's a holocaust in western europe, and then you pull british your, it would be in the american weapons and then you know, in the, uh, is there any occupational boards in me any pulling the trigger? is it not a product of us empire? is clos, not missing from this analysis? yes, i agree with you. i agree with you because you she so as long as you can, a,

a way to sing the name at an individual, in this case the yahoo o at something called the is around not be at then in a way you are solving the real culprits here. which on the z, the head should be as part of the american bar. and in that sense of britain and other european countries are complicit and are working with the american empire in order to impose their then their will on peoples in many parts as well. this is not, you know, this is part of it is part of the american industry just bought a bridge issues. yeah. people probably went out to other parts of the world. uh,

engaged in once. we can cause you to be in general side to act. there was new t v to show us what they did at the time, but i have no doubt they would have been similar to. ready asked if we'd been seen treated by israel, they would have been done against native americans against appalachian bouncing australia against native canadians. but we will never know, but we must assume that that's what happened. and as a result of those generals tried to act against indigenous people at britain established itself as the you losers and the new inhabitants of these areas search. this is something in the history, one could say the dna, i'll bring the return and of the west. and unfortunately, we in palestine are having to suffer today,

the kind of a tradition which should have been over at the end of the 19th century. but unfortunately, at a, it's not um and step when they established the sutler calling me that the point is around at a reality is they did it by those measurements that they employed previously to come to america, etc. and it's all bad luck that we were quote in this read at a time, which is when we're over the world. and there was a shift away from colorado and you know, some from in periods on to independence, founding the economy. i'll just stop you. the more from the author of one state to

be only democratic future for palestine is right after this break the, the welcome back to going under. and i'm still here with the author, one state, the only democratic future of, of alice and his real doctor got the economy to connie i interrupted you in about one where you were talking about the timing of this latest to genocide. i should just add before i let you continue on on that that uh why is it doing this? listen to ends in a blinking, i don't know what you think when he speaks about how he's trying desperately to stop this genocide when in fact uh when he never use of the word genocide, when in fact he's boring in the weapons and giving cover and support without which

the genocide could all continue. quite frankly, if i look at the big, i would be very embarrassed. i would be too embarrassed to look like a look at my space memory. because how you can carry out the sure on of visiting various countries talking about spar, talking about american the american road in, in bringing a piece of resolution to the conflict. how we can do that with the straight face here. no, because he, he knows very well that there is a way in which this can all come at the, the even i did stage turns the pop offs. arms with arms that they're providing. it's around the funds and providing israel in

order to keep the genocide going. well, they have to do is turn time to tap off. i'd say right, is an sorry, that's a new mark. you're on your own. it'll be in the end to the general side. and the ends of, of the, of the current phase of this company. they don't do it. and therefore, all the speeches they make, all these attempts at, and i don't know how they have this, which is kind of the category of the, like a new student on turn or working night and day of this stuff in order to try to persuade people that they really are taking the effort while i'm doing very well. they are a doing and a betting, and in fact there are to spend those. i'm but then, but why did the journalists believe this story that it is bite and genocide?

joe and our goal is terrace that that'd be a bit of the brakes on the increasing the regional whitening war as israel bones a, syria, iraq, iran never than a human hand. probably. jordan to the mix. well, no, jordan, there's nothing to mix. jordan is very essential. in as part of this game because jordan is a buffer state, the project is ran from out of sources deal, i think even joint, even that ain't the king, refused to meet netanyahu. it joined the course of these events. and even some of these a usually trusted allies of israel, a not responding that or no indeed look, it's really difficult for us. i mean, there's a whole other subject about the, the arab states. what there really is, how they continue to maintain

a diplomatic ties with israel. it's quite extraordinary. you know, there's not, there's not a single state has expelled. these really invested the has terminated. it's diplomatic ties to israel says, well, not satisfied of uranium. you're certainly not doing what the americans want them want them to do. but, but i mean back to what i was saying earlier, does that mean that the whole, you know, edward said many people talk about the christian palestinian scholar edward site is the source of. so much knowledge of generations. i've been to a time for that. there was a critique by age as i would famously the indian scholar. that is all of what has been written about palestine and obviously your book moves on the debates to make one state solution a sense of states thing i want to get onto that as it mr. trick. but this is about the united states and the empire. it's north about is right,

it's north about the balfour declaration, i suppose, a vessel, britain, though a vessel stays with united states. and does that mean the united states has to be attacked directly? the lebanese resistance moved once and the resistance movement in gaza. they don't move, they're not going to make any impact by attacking israel. it doesn't have to be, you know, or nothing isn't. it has a very important group to play in a, in the question of getting there. and so by attracting or restricting the freedom of action is around, you would get that the unimportant rocks of the american them by no, i don't see that. you could just say we read israel alone and let's just go for america . but that does not mean one is not where you have to be aware of the relationships

. yeah. you have to be aware that this is the way it works. so when you are engaged in political systems or action of any kind and have to understand what it is really doing. now, i think that israel is one of the most important tools of them fire. and you can see that by the way, that all the western states made by merrick that are a dash sprint to a project is rep and to keep it on its feet. so you know, that shows you, it's a measure of expanding to them. so therefore, if you attack it with you, obviously you a text that as well, but you do it as i say, knowing knowing, knowing what you're doing. the palestine has diverse near universal be

international community. if i can use that phrase, which is so misuse in media or in nato countries, a backs palestine daily and yet still from russia and from china. the 2 most important members, arguably on the security council, who i don't know whether you feel could be doing more. they talk about a 2 state solution that may be because boots in and she didn't being as no read your latest book. but why is it they this phrase is used still by leaders of countries, but i've expressed absolute solidarity with the palestinian cause. most countries in the world probably yeah, the story of the 2 state solution is distorted already to you know, um the, the, the issue which actually most people don't understand is that the notion of a palestinian state. um, as an on site d is real estate,

which is the 2 state solution. this is something that was issued by the palestinians themselves. but the reason for them doing that is a big huge. there's the, they don't have some reason that the powers didn't use were interested in that idea was because they have feeling disparate to that they would use the whole country. and that's exactly what's happening now that they didn't want to lose or have it's not. so in a way what they were saying was ok, let's have a smooth pump fence even though it's unfair, you don't get the original native population, 22 percent or the original whole 9. if so that's not the same. however, the processing is what?

saying as it was, look, we'll take that for now and uh, you know, you've decide to know the date, sewage that was published in, in the honest fallacy position. no matter the, the side, the level region which it was dressed up at. now, the idea of 2 states was poundstone by the west, because if you think about it, it shows it from phillips quite a few functions. first of all, if you talk about to stage, it means you are not the n t is right. is there continues to be that exactly as it is, shape does, it runs into a state, etc. so it's her is present in the 2 states. however, at the same time, you as a 3rd party, as, as the so called international community on not seeing israel must continue and to help with the palestinians. oh, nothing to where saying the policy is design something for good sounds. sure.

river, taking it for a state for the palestinians, even though it's on a 5th of their original zone. that is the truth about the 2 state solution. and these people are and if you know these forces and actors who support society, they want to be honest. and see what i just said, which is that this is not fair on the indigenous people, at least if you want to show them that make it 6050. if you're making it at a $8020.00 at your, it's been around that. ok. it's the most that we can try to a lot to the pounds. that would be the only specific an independent singles could make some sort of choice. but what they've done is they've talked about the 2 state solution and you have not lifted

a finger to make it out. i have said nothing in my book, but on many, okay. if you believe it in the 2 states, then you, i'm the obligation to show us how it can happen. because if you look at the map, look at the map of israel. i don't even mean now. i mean, before, 20 years ago, following 1967. you could see the number of is really cooling, is springing up on over the west bank and of the time, or because or so on. what piece of land is the balancing is the going to be your max out all the more strange that i'm trying to in rush or i can be i still using that phrase may be. but just finally, as we're running out of time britain using accurate terry base, i don't know how many soldiers that we don't know that keeping it secret about

their aid to israel, full to genocide, making them complicit bill buns at the c. i a back and forth with most that you worked at the p a and the palestinian authority. how to blame? aside from all of that, is the elite plus of palestinian bureaucracy for the genocide of a like of which we haven't seen. i'll give a since the holocaust, so i don't think that to be there to take that to be. so the trend of side. no, i think it's really squarely behind that genocide and it's western backups that's let's be clear about that box. you could talk about the fact that the, uh, the, the routing in each of the palestinians has not done anything really about opposing set aside except by talking about just so they've continued

with the same arrangements. israel, however, i don't really to tell you the truth. i don't expect much more of an i don't see people to waste time criticizing that because this is as about as soon as warranty is something that was set up on the patient. it was set up by the fire by the colonize those arrangements on not 80 and a tour to world history. okay. i agree with dr. got it kind of me sorry, we run out of time and thank you so much i as well. thank you. and i would very much to read my book and get to understand why it is that i use paper one state over the 2 state solution. thank you. that's it for the show. all continued condolences to those very by you k u, as you on genocide, will be back on monday to investigate who is really pulling the strings behind vitamin hours in washington with mike obama,

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