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case state progression of the section 12 of the terrorism max, even the great palestinian scholar and author of returning the palestinian memoir in search of fatima and married to another man dropped and got the economy has been questioned by u. k. security forces and ex associated fellow at the m. i 6 link jobs in the house . and they just book is one stage, the only democratic future for palestine, israel, she joins me now from london. a dr. economy, thank you so much. you've been one of the most eloquent to tell is all the crimes committed against palestine by u. k. u. s. u um does who premises i want to get to the genocide in the war and devin in, in a minute. i mean, unbelievably, to some you have been targeted thrown out of labor by a style man and his regime and questioned by police just what happened before we get into the geo political context of what happened to you

on a micro level as well. so slowly i was expelled from the labor of bulky, a petition labor party. um i, they, uh, i had been a member for since 1986. i think. um, and uh about 18 months ago. um the uh shop and the uh the patch and they said you are accused of anti semitism. and now the evidence you could forward was various articles i have written. one of them was 4 years old and they were not recent. and they were off to cruise, which indeed i had written and about israel, that's what i always write about. that is what i speak about is around not jewish israel. so i wrote back the few additions. so i wrote back

and i said i did this new anti semitism. yeah, i shoot the accusation. this is about as well. and i've always been concerned about is there is, there is a state, it is not the predicted. got you agree? i so your acquisitions are basis and that was that it was just, i have never been a direct apple. they came back with, i think an identical they just should be, should judge again and friends. we got jeremy called in on this program and you know, he's been take taft. yeah. obviously. and he's the full leader of the body. that body, i sorry to interrupt, but these really invested to britain was invited this week to be style my labor conference to be auto valley and days at every school, every most, every 2nd house as a legitimate dog and for as well. so, you know, maybe you will please join us in that policy. well, frankly,

i wouldn't want to be in the party. the bike is summer. i don't want to be in a property that you should see or not israel a and a have to come to sort of to the police when i, when i hear about, because that's a neg, another o p o. well, this was really something completely unexpected. and did it at the beginning of this year, this year? well, i received an invitation to a book festival and that's fine because of my new book, which kind of mentioned one state. and i was invited to give a talk about this book. so i went to long, this is, this takes place, this book textbook takes place in a small, a, c p, a town in sausage love that it's a, it's a dog called lewis. and as you know, the, the sort of people that come to the festival,

uh and educated what you know, the front line, the van to find the thought i didn't divided then. absolutely. so, you know, i timed up with my, with my book and i started to speak and i said i was addressing the audience, which was your on typically, well, meaning english people. my daughter really had an awful lot to do with what they called, sorry, minutes. and so i said, let me just kind of find, 1st of all, there are organizations and a names that you hear. you may not know necessarily or there is to know about them . let me just start off by doing something about how much i now you may know or the org is may know who the message did you find in the west. in britain, in particular, it is, it is classified as

a terrorist organization. so when i spoke, i said have that this is actually posted in for to pull a party as they have various functions because they are the former government garza and also they have a section which is a resistance against occupational resistance against israel. that's worth how much is um and somebody in the audience is hooked up and said, you haven't said they're a terrorist organization. a power job was too much need to do. she mention him as in a public meeting, you have to see a prescribed terrorist organization. you have to add that and so. ready i haven't done that, and this person said that you use 4 terrace score there is smoke something and i

said no, no, i should. i didn't mention that because it wasn't speaking to you. the representing the by the she knew point of view that as an instructor green did not see how much is a terrible judgement and how that was that this person went a complaint to the police. that she was very distressed by what i had said, etc. please go to touch with me. i couldn't believe it is miss about 2 or 3 weeks off to the best of the boxes. but he's going to go up saying you are accused of being supported terrorism. and we'd like to interview, and this is an interview under caution. so 8 to 4 months. and i really, really, i could not believe this was nothing to me to the size box then do go there without the lawyer. so i actually got in touch with ashley stop. they looked off to me and

it was, it was that serious? so i, my, on my understanding is it is against the law in, in britain, in this way. i mean, they can, the police can stop you without reasonable suspicion. how does you say the lebanese resistance guys are resistance? all of that is considered a terrorist. these are, these are terrorist groups. but anyway, despite all of that, most british people are against the magenta side. and against the stomach, governments are coming or israel polls here, most americans support the palestine at. now. does that mean it's even more critically important of critical importance that legislation in the united states obviously as the 1st amendment. so it's much more difficult there though they have come the mass student protests against the the genocide in say, britain presumed, is only important now to legislate so that i don't know works of fiction works,

a lot of works with culture. what's a journalism? all of this can be, can be prevented from reaching the public now in britain and invest in europe. use j seamless. indeed. you know, israel hasn't been in the home um and it has a very, very. ready big reach. so if we go to a situation now where uh, if you never mind why to or speaking about palestine or, or how mass or whatever actually issue when a badge which shows the published in tribe or shows something like, or has a silken like sleep out of sign this can also then in trouble, the reality of the neighbor party conferences, the just ended here in britain and a somebody

a was removed from the hole because he was wearing a badge which said free pat aside. i used to smooth badges with no talking about huge flags. so, you know, it's like that. and it's extremely serious. the thing is that i know you mentioned a is riley power there. and we've had joined much time or on the professor from chicago's wrote, these really know be, and of course, you know, i'm john, excuse me, in on, but, you know, i, we, as everyone made a big mistake and it's not actually israel. i mean, these headlines by didn't fails to rain and yahoo as risk of allowed war increases is, is not really the united states that is doing this. instead of blaming israel. you brain wash an entire population to believe in a little arabs are evil. so there's a whole low cost in western europe, and then you pull british your pin and american weapons and then you know, in the, uh, is there any occupation forces in me any pulling the trigger?

is it not a product of us empire is plus not missing from this analysis? yes, i agree with you. i agree with you because you she. so as long as you can a, i want to sing the name as an individual in this case making yahoo, o, at something called the is around not be at then in a way you are observing. the real culprits here, which on the, the, the head should be as part of the american bar. and in that sense of britain and other european countries are complicit of working with the american empire in order to impose their ran, their will on peoples in many parts of the world. this is not,

you know, this is part of this is part of the american, the swedish, responsible to bridge issues where people from britain went out to other parts of the world. uh, engaged in what we can presume to be in genocide, to act. that was new t, v to show us what they did at the time, but i have no doubt they would it be similar to the ext if we can see so be treated by israel. they would have been done against native americans against appalachian mountain australia, against native canadians. we will never know, but we must assume that that's what happened. and as a result of those generous tied to act against indigenous people of britain established itself as the you with this and the new inhabitants of these areas search. this is something in the history. one could see the dna ah,

a return and of the west. and unfortunately, we in palestine are having to suffer today, the kind of a tradition which should have been over at the end of the 19th century. but unfortunately, at a, it's not um and the step when they established a simpler calling me that the point is around. but in reality it, they did it by, at those methods that they employed previously to come to america, etc. and it's all bad luck that we were a coach in this web at the time, which is when we're over the world. and there was

a shift away from colonialism from imperialism on to independence, foundry the economy. i'll just stop you the more from the author of one state to be only democratic future for palestine, israel after this break, the there's no end in sight over how you're going to continue to destroy the earth. is the case of the med, most of the people i tried to go to the gym, but i'm certainly not ready to fight russia. this is also a pursuit. this is the 3rd world lunacy re washington as well. so the funder line likes to say, we have the tools while we just start with stability and business deals to living on that. we have very this propaganda. you know, a price here in new york. i think we don't know the aftermath any time that you're not allowed to ask questions, you should ask all of the questions. some more questions, ask

a better. the answer is will be the the welcome back to going on the right, i'm still here with the author, one state be on the democratic future of about as and as well. don't take out the economy, the economy, i interrupted you in the fall when were you were talking about the timing of this latest to genocide. i should just add before i let you continue on, on that that uh why is it doing list or listen to ends in a blink. and i don't know what you think when he speaks about how he's trying desperately to stop this genocide when in fact uh when he never use of the word genocide. when in fact, he's boring in the weapons and giving cover and support without which the genocide

could all continue. quite frankly. if i look at the big, i would be very embarrassed. i would be too embarrassed to look like the look at my space and their rate because how he can carry out the shot of visiting various countries. talking about spar, talking about american the american road in, in bringing a piece of resolution to the conflict. how we can do that with the straight face here? no, because he, he knows very well that there is a way in which this can come at the team. and i could stage to turn the top offs arms no arms that they're providing. it's

around the from said, providing israel in order to keep the genocide really well they have to do is turn time to tap off. i'd say right, is an sorry, that's a new mark. you're on your own. it'll be due the end of the general side. and the end of, of the, of the current phase of this company. they don't do it. and therefore, all the speeches they make all these attempts at. and i don't know how they have this sort of colorful vocabulary like new stone on tons or working night. and day this stuff in order to try to sweep people that they read off. would you give me a while i'm doing very well. they are a doing and a betting. and in fact, there are who spend most i'm but then, but why did the journalist believe this story that it is bite and genocide,

joe and our goal is terrace. that. that'd be a bit of the brakes on the increasing the regional whitening war as israel bones, syria, iraq, iran beloved in a human hand. um probably jordan to the mix. well, no, jordan, there's nothing to mix. jordan is very essential in as part of the scheme because jordan is a buffer state. the predict is around from a sources deal, i think even join even the different paint the king refused to meet netanyahu during the course of these events. and even some of these, a usually trusted allies of israel are not responding now. a no indeed look, it's really difficult for us. i mean, there's a whole other subject about the, the arab states. what there really is how they continue to

maintain a diplomatic ties with israel. it's quite strongly, you know, there's not a, not a single state because expelled, these really invested the has terminated. it's diplomatic ties to israel as well, no savvy side of uranium. you're certainly not doing what the americans want them want them to do. but, but i mean back to what i was saying earlier. does that mean that the whole, you know, edward said many people talk about the christian palestinian scholar edward site as the source of so much knowledge of generations. i've been to a time for that. there was a critique by age, as i would famously the indian scroll a bit is all of what has been written about palestine and obviously your book moves on the debates to make one state solution a sense of states. thing i want to get onto the, as it mr. tricks, but this is about the united states and empire. it's north about his right. it's

north about the bell for a declaration by suppose the vassal britain know about so states of the united states. and does that mean the united states has to be attacked directly? the lebanese resistance moved once and the resistance movement in gaza. they don't know, they're not going to make any impact by attacking israel. it doesn't have to be, you know, uh or nothing is really has a very important group to play in a, in the question of the american empire. so by attracting for restricting the freedom of action is around you want to get that the, i mean for lot of the american them by no, i don't see that. you can just say we read israel alone and let's just go for america. but that does not mean one is not where you have to be aware of the

relationships. yeah. you have to be aware that this is the way it works. so when you are engaged in political systems or action of any kind and have to understand what it is you're really doing. now, i think that israel is one of the most important tools of am fire. and you can see that by the way, that all the western states made by merrick that are a dash sprint to protect israel and to keep it on each feet. so you know, that shows you, it's a measure of its value to them. so therefore, if you attack it with you, obviously with tax that as well, but you do it as i say, knowing knowing, knowing what you're doing, a sign has universal near universal the international community. if i can use that

phrase, which is so misuse in media or in nato countries, a backs palestine daily and yet still from russia and from china. the 2 most important members, arguably on the security council, who i don't know whether you feel could be doing more. they talk about a 2 state solution that may be because boots in and changing thing is not read your latest book. but why is it they this phrase is used still by leaders of countries, but i've expressed absolute solidarity with the palestinian cause. most countries in the world probably yeah, the story of the 2 state solution is distorted already to you know, um the, the, the issue which actually conversed because don't understand is that the notion of a palestinian state as is alongside

d is really state which is a 2 state solution, this is something that was issued by the powers didn't use themselves at. but the reason for they were doing that is a big, huge there's the, they don't understand. the reason that the better sinews were interested in that idea was because they have feelings and this for 2 months that they would use the whole country. and that's exactly what's happening now that they didn't want to lose or have it's not. so in a way what it was saying was ok, let's have a smooth pump, and it's not even though it's on fat, you don't get the original native population 22 percent of their original home on it. so that's an option. however, the brothers to me and you were saying,

as it was, look, we'll take that for now and uh, you know, you've decide to know the date, sewage that was suppose to me in the honest allison and position no matter the the side, the language in which it was dressed up at now. the idea of 2 states was pounced on by the west because if you think about it, it shows it from phil's quite a few functions. first of all, if you talk about to stage, it means you are not to empty is right. is where continues to be that exactly as inches shape does. it runs in the jewish state. it's, sir, it's her is present in the 2 states. however, at the same time, you as a 3rd party, as, as the so called international community on not seen, israel must continue and to help with the palestinians. oh, nothing to we're seeing the palestine is design something for good sense. so

river taking it for a state for the palestinians, even though it's on a 5th of their original that is the truth about the 2 state solution and these people. and if you're there are these forces and actors who support society, they want to be honest. and see what i just said, which is that this is not fair on the indigenous people, at least if you want to sugar that make it 5050. if you're making it at a $8020.00 at your, it's been around staff. ok. it's the most that we can try to a lot to the pension that would be the only specific and independent symbols could make some sort of choice. but what they've done is they've talked about the 2 state solution and they have not lifted

a finger to make it up. i have said nothing in my book, but on many, okay. if you believe it in the 2 states and then you, i'm the obligation to show us how it can happen. because if you look at the map, look at the map provision. i don't even mean now. i mean, before, 20 years ago, in the following 1967, you could see the number of is really cooling is springing up on over the west bank and of the time, or because up to on what piece of land is the palace in use the going to be your max out all the more strange that the china in rush or i can be a still using that phrase may be. but just finally as we're running out of time britain using accurate terry base. i don't know how many soldiers that we don't

know that keeping it secret about their aid to israel full to genocide, making them complicit bill buns at the c i a back and forth with most that you worked at the p a and the palestinian authority. how to blame, aside from all of that, is the elite plus of palestinian bureaucracy for the genocide of a like of which we haven't seen a good base since the holocaust. i don't think that to be there to take that to be, to the genitive side. no, i think it's really squarely behind that genocide and it's western backups that's let's be clear about that box. you could talk about the fact that the, uh, the, the routing in each of the palestinians has not done anything really about opposing instead of side except by talking about just so they've

continued with the same arrangements. israel, however, i don't really to tell them to, to, i don't expect much more of an i don't see people to waste time criticizing that. because this is because the pat assume it was, or this is something that was set up on the patient. it was set up by the occupied by the colonize those arrangements on not 80 and a tour to world history. okay. i agree with dr. got it kind of me sorry, we run out of time and thank you so much. well, thank you. and i would very much to read my book and get to understand why it is that i use paper one state over the 2 state solution. thank you. that's happened to show all continued condolences to those very by you k us and you, i'm genocide will be back on monday to investigate who is really pulling the strings behind vitamin hours in washington with monica obama brother in the 44th.

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the, because the le confirms this later has on those rolla has been killed in and is really our strike on bainbridge. he loved the organization for 32 years. also, i had the, the idea of has been relentlessly targeting lebanese territory of civilian casualties. mountain residential buildings are destroyed. i should have been pretty sure she was letting me have them give you numerous publications in the media space, which testified in some form of least awareness. of washington in the preparation and russian foreign minister. and so i got alive rob addresses the un general assembly drawing attention to the condemnation of many states that i have.