on the, the i'm action or can see welcome back to going underground, broadcasting all around the world from the u. a. today, the foreign minister of the superpower of this century, china, when he and his friend russian foreign minister. so guy lever of joins on voice from cuba. inside of the arabia the shed, you'll view in general assembly in new york. it isn't, it's nato and all allowed to war on palestine on lebanon. and the nature was on russia through ukraine and china through ty, one comes as nato countries institute of immortal william cubs on freedom of speech with mass specification of protest is in the belly of the beast, of and by the usa. but also,

the persecution stretches the us puppet proxies. in western europe and britain, journalists like richard met hosketler and bank, and sarah wilkerson have faced u. k. state for oppression under section 12 of the terrorism max, even the great palestinian scholar and author of returning the palestinian memoir in search of fatima and married to another man, dropped and got economy has been questioned by u. k. security forces and ex associated fellow at the m, i 6 link jazz in the house and they just book is one stage, the only democratic future for palestine, israel, she joins me now from london. a dr. economy. thank you so much. you've been one of the most eloquent to tell is all the crimes committed against palestine by u. k. u. s. you, um, does have premises. i want to get to the genocide in the war and devin in, in a minute to mean unbelievably to some you have been targeted, thrown out of labor by a style man and his regime and questioned by police just

what happened before we get into the geo political context of what happened to you on a micro level as well. so slowly i was expelled from the labor of bulky uh but usually because um i they, uh i had been a member for since 1986. i think um and uh, last 8 months ago, um the uh, something the uh, the patch. uh, and they said you are accused of anti semitism. and now the editorship with forward was various articles i have written. a one of them was 4 years old. and they were not recent, and they were off to cruise, which indeed i had written. and about israel, that's what i always write about. that is what i speak about is around not jewish

there, but israel. so i wrote back the, the few additions. so i wrote back and i said i did this new anti semitism. yeah, i shoot the accusation. this is about as well. and i've always been concerned about is there is, there is a state, it is not the predicted category uh, as to your acquisitions are basis. and that was that it was just, i have never been able to right at all they came back with. i think an identical they just should be, should judge again and friends. we got jeremy called in on this program and you know, he's been tapped. yeah. obviously. and he's the full leader of the body. that body, i sorry to interrupt, but these really invested to britain was invited this week to be style my labor conference to be auto valley. and he said every school, every, most, every 2nd house as a legitimate dog and for as well. so, you know,

maybe you will please join us in that policy. well, frankly, i wouldn't want to be in the party. the bike is summer. i don't want to be in a property that you should see a lot. i'm to israel a and a have to come to sort of to the police when i, when i hear about because that's a neg another. oh oh, well, this was really something completely unexpected and did it at the beginning of this year this year? well, i received an invitation to a book that's a, that's fine because about my new book with true kind of you mentioned one state and i was invited to give a talk about this book. so i went along, this is, this takes place, this book textbook takes place in a small, a, c, p, a town in sausage lumber. it's a, it's

a town called lewis. and as you know, the, the sort of people who lives a, come to the festival. uh and educated what you know, the front line, the van to find that the identified event? absolutely. so you know, i timed up with my, with my book and i started to speak. and i said i was addressing the audience, which was your all typically, well, meaning english people. my daughter really has an awful lot to do with what they call, sorry, minutes. and so i said, let me just try to find 1st of all, there are organizations and a names that you hear. you may not know necessarily all there is to know about them . let me just start off by telling me something about how much i now you may know or the org is may know who the message did you find in the west. in britain,

in particular, it is, it is classified as a terrorist organization. so when i spoke i said how math is actually posted in for it to pull a party as they have various functions because they are the former government garza and also they have a section which is a resistance against occupational resistance against israel. that's what, how much is um and somebody in the audience is hooked up in sage. you haven't said they're a terrorist organization, a power to i was too much, anita. they did, she mention him as in a public meeting, you have to say a prescribed terrorist organization. you'll have to add that. um so. ready

i haven't done that under this person said, do you support terrace or there is most of me. and i said no, no, i should. i didn't mention that because suppose i'm speaking to you, the representing the palestinian point of view ballast and is the real degree is not to how much is a terrorist organization and how that was that this person went a complaint to the police which was very distressed by what i've said, etc, please go to touch with me. i couldn't believe it is about 2 or 3 weeks off to the bestbuy for the boxes. but he's going to go up saying you are accused of being supported terrorism. and we'd like to interview. and this is an interview under caution, so it's a for moment. and i really, really, i could not believe this has happened to me. i was to sized box then do go there without the lawyer. so i actually got in touch with ashley stopped. they looked off

to me and it was, it was bad, serious. so i, my, on my understanding is it is against the law in, in britain, in this way. i mean, they can, the police can stop you without reasonable suspicion. how does you say by lebanese resistance, guys, or resistance? all of that is considered a terrorist. these are, these are terrorist groups. but anyway, despite all of that, most british people are against the magenta side and against the stomach. governments are coming or israel polls show most americans support the palestine at . now. does that mean it's even more critically important of critical importance that legislation in the united states obviously as the 1st amendment. so it's much more difficult there the they have come the mass student protests against the,

the genocide in say, britain, presume these are all important now to legislate so that i don't know works of fiction works a lot. i worked with culture works of journalism. all of this can be, can be prevented from reaching the public now in britain and invest in europe use. this is a serious indeed, you know, is realize have been in the and it has a very, very big reach. so if we go to a situation now where uh, if you never mind why to or speaking about the past sign or, or how mass or whatever actually issue when a badge which shows the published in tribe or shows something like, or has a smoking like sleep out of sign, this can also then in trouble, very recently of the neighbor party come 1st of the just ended here in brick and a,

somebody a was removed from the hole because he was wearing a badge which said free pat aside. i used to smooth badges with no talking about huge flags. so, you know, it's like that. and it's extremely serious. the thing is, but i know you mentioned a is riley power there. and we've had joined much time or on the professor from chicago's wrote, these really know be, and of course, you know, i'm john, excuse me, in on, but, you know, i, we, as everyone made a big mistake and it's not actually israel. i mean, these headlines by didn't fails to rain and yahoo as risk of allowed war increases is, is not really the united states that is doing this. instead of blaming israel. you brain wash an entire population to believe in a little arabs are evil. so there's a whole low cost in western europe, and then you pull british your,

it would be in american weapons and then you know, in the, uh, is there any occupation forces in me any pulling the trigger? is it not a product of us empire is plus not missing from this analysis? yes, i agree with you. i agree with you because you see so long as you can a with the single name at an individual in this case making yahoo o, at something called the is around not be at then in a way you are observing the real culprits here. which on the d, the head should be as part of the american bar. and in that sense of britain and other european countries are complicit of working with the american empire in order to impose their, their will on peoples in many parts as well. this is not,

you know, this is part of this part of the american this we just bought a breached useful where people probably went out to other parts of the world engaged in what we can assume to be in genocide, to act. that was new tv to show us what they did at the time, but i have no doubt they would it be similar to the ext if we didn't seem to be treated by israel, they would have been done against native americans against appalachian mountain australia, against native canadians, we will never know, but we must assume that that's what happened. and as a result of those generous, tied to act against indigenous people of britain established itself as the you losers and the new inhabitants. these areas search. this

is something in the history. one could say the dna a recent end of the west, and unfortunately we in palestine are having to suffer today. the kind of a tradition which should have been over at the end of the 19th century. but unfortunately, as it. ready it, it's not and stare when they established the simpler calling me that the point is around. but in reality it, they did it by, at those methods that they employed previously to come to america, etc. so it's all bad luck that we were quote in this read at a time,

which is when we're over the world and there was a shift away from clearly new lives, some from in periods on to independence frontier the economy. i'll just stop here the more from the author of one state to be only democratic future for palestine, israel after this break the the, what is part of the,

the employee would post that isn't the defense you of us and that in the word part is it something deeper, more complex might be present. let's stop without please. is that spelled out of the the welcome back to going on the right. i'm still here with the author, one state the on the democratic future of about as and as well. don't take out the economy, the economy, i interrupted you in the fall when were you were talking about the timing of this latest to genocide. i should just add before i let you continue on on that that uh why is it doing this? listen to ends in a blinking, i don't know what you think when he speaks about how he's trying desperately to stop this genocide when in fact uh when he never use of the word genocide, when in fact he's boring in the weapons and giving cover and support without which

the genocide could all continue. quite frankly, if i look at the big, i would be very embarrassed. i would be too embarrassed to look like they look at my space and their rate. because how he can carry out the shot of visiting various countries talking about spar, talking about american the american road in, in bringing a piece of resolution to the conflict. how we can do that with the straight face here. no, because he, he knows very well that there is a way in which this can all come at the, the, even i did stage to turn off the top of your arms. no arms that they are providing each round the funds and providing israel in order

to keep the genocide doing well, they have to do is turn time to tap off. i'd say right, is an sorry, that's a new mot. you're on your own. it'll be in the end of the general side and the end of, of the, of the current phase of this company. they don't do it. and therefore, all the speeches they make all these attempts at, and i do the how they have a sort of colorful vocabulary like new student on tongue or working night and day of this stuff in order to try to persuade people that they really are continuing the f 19 very well. they are a didn't and a betting. and in fact there are who spend most. i'm but then, but why did the journalist believe this story,

but it is bite and genocide. joe and our goal is terrace, the, the, the, the, the breaks on the increasing the regional whitening war as israel bones a, syria, iraq, iran level than a human and probably jordan to the mix. well, no, jordan, there's nothing to mix. jordan is very essential in as part of this game because jordan is a buffer state, the project is ran from out of sources deal. i think even join, even that ain't the king refused to meet netanyahu. it joined the course of these events and even some of these a usually trusted allies of israel, a not responding that no indeed look, it's really difficult for us. i mean, there's a whole other subject about the, the arab states. what there really is how they continue to

maintain a different magic ties with israel. it's quite extraordinary. you know, there's not a, not a single state has expelled. these really invested the has terminated. it's diplomatic ties to israel has well not satisfied of uranium years. certainly not doing what the americans want them want them to do. but, but i mean back to what i was saying earlier, does that mean that the whole, you know, edward said many people talk about the christian palestinian scholar edward site is the source of so much knowledge of generations. i've been to a time for that. there was a critique by age, as i would famously the indian scholar, that is all of what has been written about palestine and obviously your book moves on the debates to make one state solution a sense of states. thing i want to get onto that. as it mr. trick, but this is about the united states and empire. it's north about is right. it's

north about the balfour declaration, i suppose, a vassal britain know a vassal states with united states. and does that mean the united states has to be attacked directly? the lebanese resistance moved once and the resistance move and didn't realize that they don't know, they're not going to make any impact by attacking israel. it doesn't have to be, you know, or nothing is really has a very important group to play in a, in the question of getting there. and so by attracting or restricting the freedom of action is around, you would get that the unimportant box of the american bar. no, i don't see that. you can just say we read israel alone and let's just go for america

. but that does not mean one is not when you have to be aware of the relationships . yeah. you have to be aware that this is the way it works. so when you are engaged in political systems or action of any kind, you have to understand what it is you're really doing. now i think that israel is one of the most important tools of them fire. and you can see that by the way, that all the western states made by america are a dish. sprint to a project is around and to keep it on its feet. so you know, that shows you, it's a measure of its value to them. so therefore, if you attack it with you, obviously with tech that as well, but you do it as i say, knowing knowing, knowing what you're doing, the palestine has,

you'd have us near universal the international community. if i can use that phrase, which is so misuse in media or in nato countries, a backs palestine daily and yet still from russia and from china. the 2 most important members, arguably on the security council, who i don't know whether you feel can be doing more. they talk about a 2 state solution that may be because boots in and changing thing is not read your latest book. but why is it they this phrase is used still by leaders of countries, but i've expressed absolute solidarity with the palestinian cause. most countries in the world probably yeah. the story of the 2 states usually is distorted already to you know, um the, the, the issue which actually most people don't understand is that the notion of

a palestinian state is along side d is really state, which is the 2 state solution. this is something that was issued by the published didn't use them so but the reason for them doing that is a big huge. there's a, they don't understand the reason that the palestinians were interested in that idea was because they have feeling that this for 2 months that they would use the whole country. and that's exactly what's happening now that they didn't want to lose or have it's not. so in a way what it was saying was, okay, let's have a smooth pump, and it's not even though it's on that you don't get the original native population 22 percent of their original home on it. so that's not fair. however, the brothers sidney angie was saying, as it was, look,

we'll take that for now and uh, you know, you've decide to know the date. so it's that was the proudest in, in the honest allison and position no matter the the side, the language in which it was dressed up at now the idea of 2 states was pounced on by the west. because if you think about it, it shows it from phil's point of view functions. first of all, if you talk about to stage age means you are not the n t is right. is there continues to be that exactly as each stage shape does. it runs in jewish state, etc. so it's her is present in the 2 states. however, at the same time, you as a 3rd party, as, as the so called international community on not seen, israel must continue and to help with the palestinians. oh nothing. so we're seeing

the publish team as these um, as something for themselves. so wherever are taking it for a state for the palestinians, even though it's on the 5th of their original, that is the truth about the 2 state solution. and these people are, and if you're there are these forces and actors who support society, they want to be on this and see what i've just said, which is that this is not fair on the indigenous people, at least if you want to sugar that make it 5050. if your making it at $88020.00 at your be it's been around sat ok. it's the most that we can try to a lot to the problems. that would be the only specific and independent symbols could make some sort of choice. but what they've done is they've talked about the 2 state

solution and you have not lifted a finger to make it up. i have said nothing in my book, but on many, okay. if you believe it in the 2 states, then you, i'm the obligation to show us how it can happen. because if you look at the map, look at the map of israel. i don't even mean now. i mean, before, 20 years ago, following 1967. you could see the number of is really cooling, is springing up on over the west bank and of the time, or because up to on what piece of land is the balancing is the going to be your max out on a more strange that the china in rush or i can be a still using that phrase may be, but just finally as we're running out of time britain using accurate terry base. i

don't know how many soldiers that we don't know that keeping it secret about their aid to israel, full to genocide, making them complicit bill buns of the c i a back and forth with most that you worked at the p a and the palestinian authority. how to blame, aside from all of that is the elite plus of palestinian bureaucracy for the genocide of a like of which we haven't seen a good base since the holocaust i don't think that they they took that to beat. so the trend of side. no, i think it's really squarely behind that genocide and it's western backups that's let's be care about that box. you could talk about the fact that the, uh, the routing in each of the palestinians has not done anything really about opposing the schedule aside, except by talking about just

a they've continued with the same arrangements. israel, however, i don't really to tell them to, to, i don't expect much more of an i don't see people race time criticizing because this is as a pat assume it was, or this is something that was set up on the patient. it was set up by the occupied by the colonize those arrangements on not 80 and a tour to world history. okay. i agree with dr. got it kind of me sorry, we run out of time and thank you so much. well, thank you. and i would very much you read my book and get to understand why it is that i use paper one state over the 2 state solution. thank you. that's it for the show. all continued condolences to those very by you. k, you as you on genocide, will be back on monday to investigate who is really pulling the strings behind

vitamin hours in washington with monica obama, brother of the 44 of us president barack obama. until then, keep in touch, why will i social media if it's not sense of no country? and i to a channel going underground cv, hon dot com george. and you know that besides going undergrads here, monday, the, the russian states never is as tight as i'm one of the most sense community best most i'll send, send up the send the 6595 and speed. what else calls question about this? even though we will then in the european union,

the kremlin media mission, the state on the russians cruising and split the ortiz full neck, even our video agency, roughly all the band on youtube tv services. what question did you say from stephen twist, which is the nato, is having a very difficult time trying to find consensus. they are having a very difficult time even now trying to get some of their countries to commit towards, you know, armaments lending. i mean even within the european union you have countries like slovakia.