think that this need to be the mind is that this type of behavior is not going to be taught at a 2 hour. let's have this conversation further here on, on the international with lee have moved a professor of international relations and economics, not joining us life on very rude. it's about a half past 9 in the morning. what you, what mr. how moved a very good morning to you, but is it a good morning? indeed, i wanted to ask you, have you had any sleep? how, how is it being and the overnight there in the lebanese capital and how are you today? hello, good morning everybody. i'm not really well because uh the yesterday. yeah. it was a lot of fades uh on the suburb of by which i think it was more than 4 to 6. uh uh they lost more than $4.00 to $6.00. uh uh, on board much and all of this res, 8 song disobedience. duties. like usually they so you can be saved all is the,

the all targeting and then the 3 a target or in a, a building on the ground. there is awesome missiles. but all that buildings they've been targeting says the start, think off of this, a sub a drawer, a civilian building, and the man, the 2 follows us with a live. the map might be each single, some freighting the concentration from south living to be called valley. and of course is up some adult. he is a suburb of, but so we are now almost swimming them listed. it also stated that the where we are more than 2000 the cube. saws us off and you are as more then when media and displaced in different the shoulders and what are the numbers, mr. how mode are shocking. as of the pictures we've seen,

all the miss silos writing down on the lebanese capital. i mean, i had a guest on earlier and is ready to get some jerusalem, who said we are already now in the 3rd israel levon on the ball. but mr. hamilton wanted to ask you, it's was just off the hot plus 9 in the morning where you are now. what is the sentiment there in the capital city? how will people feeling of the people, the us, cara, it's a really scary was going to on as especially for the city the end because you know, uh like what day bins say and the like, but billing uh like was they send in guys. uh, they've been bombarding all the buildings and guys, uh, uh, what is the one we're using the, the idea of all these buildings is, uh, uh, all the hoopla they are using the population or. busy those people that are sitting out there, i sitting on this building like if you minutes shields. this is

a big life. starting students, one years. and the still, the i the s use it just to bombard and you know, i terrified the this, the village just to make like a, a problem between the population and the resistance, the force resistance they live on. but i think so it's happened in 2006. they hit the target, a lot of the call boy, when they're the civilians, they've been the lead or ed evacuation and they bumper the united nation. come off. but the research we saw later, the population of males, the metal down more ways. busy the resistance force and it came when it was different. um, it was different. uh what i mean them. i mean that's the resistance they will have

as they became was a lot of, uh, what do you call it in english, swing that i forget the word. so now the population and they, they are supporting more of the resistance because they saw watch. uh, uh, the idea of, uh, doing and hitting a cvd in the houses. yeah. a public place is, of course, the idea of size is only taking out of what it calls terrorist old military infrastructure. but we've seen the civilian. the rights again is this is a war via this is the, of course, what's going on. they live on a, it's a crime alteration. but you know, it's right. you, uh and the following. what the, the last if you for you, you've been following the last the speech of uh, not parameters or like on the l. a. in the headquarter austin, my condition. uh he was, uh oh, you know, it was telling us that she is above the low above the international,

above the sharp. i was interested in the market missions and before, uh, you know, that that invoice or that and buses are all for israel says 2 months or 2 months ago. he was uh told on that chart the blue blue that they might have nation chart in front of all the nations. uh so we will we understand. uh, is there any they have the full support of the united vision or what they are doing now and does the support? thank you. when in the sense that it has the support of america and america has veto power. because ever since the ever since last october, the 7th, you know, the us and the global governing body has been trying to reign in israel and then and yahoo is just not listening is just not listening. he also rebuffs the international criminal court. mister hubbard, i wanted to ask you, if i may, you know, you talk about the 2006 israel that but on war you go back to 2006 and,

and, and, and i was just listening to a correspondence from all my a d and who said that back in 2006, the is ready for it is we're almost allowed to get to make that way and to be rude . but then it has belongs to basically a guerrilla war against them. and these are ultimately have to back off. so i wanted to ask you, um, what is the id f, do you think going to face in the coming days and weeks as it potentially continues to march northwards? you know, briefly speaking, oh well, i want to just uh, uh, give you a ride to go about what's going on now and live alone. you know, after that uh, you know, the page of this problem and the problem in 17 of the last months i letter on destination or destination of the leader, senior leader of his will a and a lot of the senior figures. so they think that i asked

a miss understand, or at least i think that he, he saw it may be a, that the, her beloved to become a, recur or a he understood meeting the power of the whole lot. but the following, what i know about this uh, organization, they are strong, they haven't looked on the drum, these to all the of them and they don't have any problem. and in the management of all the operations and especially on the problem. so what that, what they are trying to do, the idea as to make like what you call it to a launching a limit. encouraging the border of soft live on from the most of the palestine or the 5. by this time i said yes we, it's a, it flips team, hunger perceptible, said because it seems like you 78. the fact that the old 5 years

will apply the previous invasions pay to be an indication for the i guess encore, the whole journalist in the war that, that outcome may be a repeat of what a really a cure of between the 1980 to and to solve the 6. yeah. so it's a big mistake to envy the live on. yeah. and, and, and i guess, as you say, role in the village of watching history repeat itself and one way or another. alejandro is a professor of international relations and economics joining us live from babies. and finally, a final comment. ali yeah, it would be costly for the i guess, especially because you know, the target or the aim of uh, the item is to drive his will. uh uh, to the noise uh, all the lights on the river to comply the resolution 1701. so

i assumed it, it would be difficult for the idea. and uh, i don't think so. they wouldn't make any progress live on, on only just a target to the civilians. and, uh, you know, uh, trying to, uh, to kill as much as possible. uh, children and the nation as of international law or more violations of basic human rights ali. i'll move next time, my friend we will talk for longer. it's going to be in a great pleasure. thanks for joining us. live from beverly. thank you. thanks a lot. sure thing is, or what else? the international because julian aside and just speaking to the legal affairs and human rights committee, of the parliamentary assembly of a counselor is expected to give testimony on his years of detention in the u. k. at the bell. i'm off super max prison on talk about the american 900 was waged against

them off to expose the crimes of the american ministry. so for now that's listening . we have a like so many of the efforts made in my case whether they were from parliament, terry, and presidents, prime ministers, the pope, u. n. officials and diplomats unions. legal and medical professionals, academics active as well citizens. none of them should have been necessary is none of the statements, resolutions, reports, films, articles, events, fun, raises. protests and letters are the last 14 years should have been necessary. but all of them were necessary because without them, i never would have seen the light of day. this unprecedented global efforts was needed because the legal protections of the legal protections that did exist. many existed only on paper when no defective in any remotely reasonable

time. eventually chose freedom of unreliable justice after being detained for years and facing a 175 year sentence with no effective remedy. justice for me is now precluded as the us government insisted in writing into its plea agreement that i cannot filed a case of the european court of human rights or even the freedom of information act request or the what it did to me as a result of its expedition request, i want to be totally clear. i am not free today because the system worked fine for you today of 2 years of incarceration. because i put guilty to journalism, i put a guilty to seeking information from

a source. i pled guilty to obtaining information from a source and i put guilty to informing the public what that information was. i did not plead guilty to anything else. i hope my testimony today can serve to highlight the weakness as the weaknesses of the existing site, the gods, and to help those whose cases are less visible, but to equally vulnerable. as i emerge from the dungeon of bill mass, the truth now seems less discernible. and our regrets how much ground has been lost during that time period. how expressing the truth has been undermined, attacked, weakened, and diminished. i see more impunity, more secrecy, more retaliation for telling the truth and more self. censorship is hard not to

draw a line from the us government's prosecution of me. it's crossing, crossing the rubicon flight internationally criminalizing journalism to the to climate. for us freedom expression that exists. now when i found it, we can fix it was driven by a simple dream to educate people about how the world works. so that through understanding we might bring about something better having a matter of where we are. let's just understand way we might go. the knowledge empowers us to hold power to accounts and to demand justice where there is none. we obtained and published truths about tens of thousands of hidden casualties of war and all the unseen horrors about programs of assassination

rendition, torture and mass available. we reveal not just when and with these things happens, but frequently the policies, the agreements and the structures behind them. when we publish collateral motor, the infamous gun camera footage of the us apache helicopter crew. eagerly, blowing to pieces are rocky journalists and the rescue is the visual reality of mountain wolfish shop the world to be also used interest in this video to direct people to the classified policies. for when the us military could deploy at least full force in a rock, how many civilians could and how many civilians could be killed before gaining higher approval. in fact, for 2 years of my potential, 175 year sentence was for obtaining and releasing those policies.

the practical political vision was left with off to being immersed in the world. study was and secret operations is simple. let us stop gagging torturing and killing each other for a change. get these fundamentals right. and all the political, economic, and scientific processes who have space to take will have space to take care of the rest of the week's work was deeply rooted in the principles that this assemblies stands for out journalism. elevated freedom of information and the public's right to know it found its natural operational home in your i lived in paris and we had formal corporate registrations in france and you know, iceland,

journalistic and technical stock was spread throughout europe. we published to the world and service based in france and germany and in no way put 14 years ago, the united states military arrested one of our lead ledge, west whistle blowers private 1st class. many us intelligence analysts based in iraq the us government concurrently launched investigation against me and my colleagues the us government. it lucidly sent planes of agents to iceland paid bribes to an informer to steal a legal engine with stick with product and without formal prices pressured banks and financial services to block out subscriptions. and to freeze our accounts. the u. k. government took part in some of this retribution. it emitted up to europe

in court of human rights that it had unlawfully spied on my u. k. lawyers during this time ultimately, this harassment was legally groundless. president obama's justice department chose not to invite me recognizing that no crime had been committed. so united states had never before prosecuted. a publisher for publishing or obtaining government information to do so would require a radical, an omen to 3 interpretation of the us constitution. in january, 2017, and also can use it the sentence of many who had been convicted of being one of my sources. however, in february 27 team, the landscape changed dramatically. president trump being elected

he appointed 2 wolves in america. has mike pompeo, a kansas congressman and former arms industry executive, a c i a director and william by a former c i. officer as us attorney general by march 2017. we have weeks headed to expose the ca, april, tracing our french political parties. it spying on french and german leaders. spying on the european central bank, european economic industries. and a standing order is despite on french street as a whole. to reveal the seo as boss production of malware and viruses, it's a version of supply chains. it's a version of antivirus software,

cause smart tvs and i phones ca, director, compare launched a campaign of retribution. it is now a matter of public record, the on the homepage is explicit direction. the c, i a drew up plans to kidnap and to assassinate me. within the ecuadorian embassy in london to and authorize going off to my european colleagues, subjecting us to the best hacking attacks and the planting of false information. my wife and my infant son were also targeted. a c, i asset was permanently assigned to tracts. my wife and instructions were given to obtain dna from my 6 month old son's not be. this is the testimony of more than 30 current and former us intelligence officials speaking to the us

press, which has been additionally cor rated by record, sees in the prosecution board again. some of the c, a agents involved, the series targeting of myself, my family, and my associates, who regressive, extrajudicial and extra territorial means, provides a re insight into how powerful intelligence organizations engage in transnational repression. such repressions are not unique. what is unique is that we know so much about this one to, to numerous whistle blowers and to, to judicial investigations in spain. this assembly is no stranger to exit territorial abuses by the c i. a pace is groundbreaking report on c high or indifference in europe exposed how the c, i a operated secret detention centers and conducted unlawful renditions on european

soil violating human rights and international law. in february, this year, the alleged thoughts of some of l. c. i a revelations, pharmacy a office, a joshua schultz k, was sentenced to 40 years in prison under conditions of extreme isolation. this is windows, a blacked out and a white noise machine plays 24 hours a day or the his door so that he cannot even shaft through it. these conditions more severe than those found in guantanamo bay. transnational repression is also conducted by of using legal prices. sees the lack of effective safeguards against this means that europe is vulnerable to having its mutual legal assistance and expedition. treaties,

hijacked by foreign powers to go off to dissenting voices. in europe, in microphone powers mem was which i read in my present. so the pharmacy i directed brag about how he pressure the us attorney general to bring an expedition case against me in response to our publications about the c, i indeed, exceeding to pump pears. request the us attorney general reopened the investigation against me that a bomb had closed and rear rested. manning this time as a witness finding was held in a prison for over a year. find a $1000.00 a day in a formal attempt to coerce a into providing secret testimony against me. she ended up attempting to take her

right in life. we usually think of attempts to force gentlest to testify against the sources. this but manning was now a source, been forced to testify against the journalist by december 2017. ca, director pompeo had got his way and the u. s. government issued a warrant to the u. k. for my expedition, u. k. government kept the war in secret from the public for 2 more years. while it's the us government. and then you, president of ecuador move to shape the political, the legal, and the diplomatic grounds for my wrist.

when power formations, fuel entitled to target individuals, the, on the board as those individuals do not stand a chance, unless they are strong safeguards in place. and the state willing to enforce them without this, no individual has a hope of defending themselves against the boss. resources of the state aggressive can to play if the situation if the situation were not already bad enough, in my case, the us government asserted a danger, dangerous new global legal position. only us citizens have free speech rights. europeans and other nationalities do not have free speech rights,

but the us claims it's espionage act still applies to them, regardless of where they are. so your opinions in your must debate, us secrecy law is no defenses as old. as far as the us government is concerned, as an american in paris can talk about what the us government is up to perhaps, but for a frenchman in paris to do so is a crime with no defense. and he may be expedited just like me. now that one foreign government has, formerly, it said that europeans have noted free speech rights. a dangerous precedent has been set of the powerful states will inevitably follow suit. the war in ukraine has already seen the criminalization of journalists in russia.

but based on the president said in my expedition, there is nothing to stop russia or indeed any of the state from targeting european journalists, publishes or even social media uses. by claiming that their domestic secrecy laws have been violated. the rights of journalists and publishes within the european space, a seriously threatening trans special repression, cannot become the norm. here is one of the worlds to great norm sitting institutions. pace must act. the criminalization of in use gathering activities is a threat to investigative journalism. everywhere i was formerly convicted by a foreign power for asking for receiving and publishing,

truthful information about best power. while i was in, your fundamental issue is simple. journalists should not be prosecuted for doing the jobs. journalism is not a crime. it is appeal of a free and informed society the is the gym in distinguish delegates. if you're is to have a future where the freedom to speak and the freedom to publish the truth, not privileges enjoyed by a few. the rights guaranteed to all. then it must act. so the what has happened in my case, never happens to anyone else as i wish to express my deepest gratitude to this assembly,

to the conservative social democrats. liberals left this greens and independents who have supported me throughout this ordeal. and to the account, most individuals who have advocated tirelessly tirelessly for my release is heartening to know that in a world often divided by etiology and interest, there remains a shade commitment to the protection of essential human liberties, freedom of expression, and all that flows from it is that a dock crawford? i see that unless institutions like pace wake up to the gravity of the situation, it will be too late. with us all committed to doing our part to ensure that the light of freedom libertines to the pursuit of truth will live on

the voices of the many and not silence by the interest of the few. the thank you mister, that sounds for that contribution to opera savings. i will not open the floor, some members of the committee. so i would remind everyone that questions can only be raised by members of the committee of legal affairs and human rights. as i indicated before, we began, i will allow one question from each member and get the full back to mr. songs to reply to each of the questions. mr. sound,

we are not entirely familiar with the plea that you are made to enter into. and if for questions off switch you feel it would not be appropriate to answer. please don't hesitate to indicate, and that will be understood i could i call upon was about to ask the question. thank you. yeah, thank you very much for for being with us for, for sharing your testimony. as far as say, on the students i need, are you k called snow to european court of human rights and get got any final decision in your case. i, on the one hand, i would like to know to personally to know how to fields for you. and on the other case, i would like to know whether you have any suggestions, a system, medically, legally, how cases like yours could really be settled in, in the, in the legal system. that looks quite.