area and all the while, like you said, the rockets were coming in the police officers at the same time respond to potential rocket direct, rocking to impact sides or project out impact sites where it was intercepted up above. and we just asked the publics to really stay in touch with israel. police were going to be here for them for whatever they need. yeah, so this is the fed reality of these riley the now the ready for may be additional attack by a rand or maybe by she's bella from leaving them side or a, but it's from the suit. the same. yeah. man, so is riley is, are here and these sick a stressful situation. many of them are not used for so many multiple i looked at for on saw fast so many attacks at the same time and the, the fly, it said do is row. some of them give you turn when they're very close to is route because of the city. so it's x and that there's almost no 2 is here, but these rallies, they know that this is the only 2 states. so they don't have that either place to

go and they also got to be still comes here one day, spending more what's happening across the middle east as well as stories from across the world, all over and on. web song don't seem to come through, had that to have a look at those records to be back with a fresh look at the the local news agenda in just on the 13 minutes. i think the the, [000:00:00;00] the hello and welcome to cross stock. were all things are considered on peter level. what is the state and future of the resistance movement,

challenging israel with the gods as genocide continuing unabated and testable as leadership designated? what are some of the choices facing a rent is israel getting? it's which of a regional war, the cross fucking the resistance movement. i'm joined by my guess. mohammed mirandi and bay root is a professor at the university of toronto. and in montreal we have moving romani he is co editor of devali, all right, to link cross talk girls in effect, that means you can jump in any time you want. and i always appreciated. well, how many let me go to you 1st and be rude? there's so many separate individual things that we can be talking about, but i'd like to go for them the broadest picture around starting off in what is the state of the resistance right now, given what's going on. it's been happening in the last week and 11 on go ahead or of people who are obviously in

a very difficult situation. it's very easy to get. yeah. with a shock on, on the 1st day you wouldn't be on the south central level. and you said people, that's when i decided to come to be a bit of a but also to do my own with media and what i was amazing people are very angry, obviously because of the sites. but then we have the sites inside of a rooms where i was, i was about a 1000 meters away from where say to pass on that. so a lot of was underground. the side of the irish, the ground shows there were 8100. this house and hundreds of people were this. we're sorry for the delay. my sabbatical. when i was working, i pay the conflicts form. so they just, they're all fine,

but the west would meet. yeah. of course only focus is on the market to say they don't want to deal with the genocide aspect of this like and then our, the intern from southern they, the refinance. told people to be by, on the very short period of time. obviously they really didn't want to be and then they struck over 10, maybe thousands of different phases which weren't declare and then it just began and they got worse. so people were, were married. and then when they discovered that say it was march or the people were, people were refugees on the street. they were, we see tiers, but they quickly, they quickly saw and i'm from really believe that the larger than say it has had and i saw was fine. it was the last people in the west

and some of these may save you 70 was, but that he was a towering figure. he made has for long what it is a cell in the machine from a bay where i am right now. and the feed is, i isn't out by the and all these other groups as well as a sophisticated organization today, many intelligent people may be higher, educated people, very effective and spread out across the country and beyond. and they are more than capable of defeating this way. the evidence and the notion, i think, uh the resistance being dependent on an individual group of individuals, i think it sort of raises or yeah, yeah, yeah, this is yeah, the structure there and it's ready for me from and i think they'll see that they will lose yeah, because the resistance has an idea and it's communities,

it's just not one person. and, and if you, according to the west to one bad person, okay. well, we, you know, as we speak right now, there appears to be a ground incursion into lebanon. there's a lot of conflicting reports about what to what degree in which, you know it's limited and targeted. i think i've heard that before. busy oh yeah, i did. 1982, they said exactly the same thing. it didn't work out then it didn't work out in 2006. what's going to be different this time? we well, we'll have to wait and see. i mean, regarding your previous question, has voted as deputy general secretary and i am costs him yesterday, gave an address in which he stated that has been the remains institutionally coherent. that it will quickly replace those leaders, including the general secretary who are recently killed within a very short period of time that it retains the will and capacity to fight.

and it's that it retains its military capabilities and it will not renounce any of its objectives. in other words, there will be no the linking of loving on the gaza strip. those are fairly clear criteria, so we should find out before too long to what extent has about has been weakened and to what extent hasn't regarding your question. it's a 1982. it's 2006. it's somewhat ironic. loving on the smallest arabs date is where is rarely and us hubris and goes to diets the graveyard of these grand additions and 1982. you have ariel sharon's operation big pines falsely sold to the world as, as of operation piece for galilee, which was sold as an attempt to push the pillow back 40 kilometers from these really border but was actually

a grand plan to remake the levant and it's made achievement was in fact the establishment of hezbollah, which israel is fighting today in 2006. as you may remember, the us secretary of state called the liza rice referred to as rules invasion of love. and on in that year, as the birth pangs of a new middle east and it turned out to be a rather bloody miscarriage. of course, some of the past is not a definitive predictor of the future. but i think what we've seen now is that is real, has announced a very limited objective for its invasion of loving on, mainly posting hezbollah forces back up from the border. but it's already clear that it's on visions are much larger, i think is real, given what it has achieved in terms of assassinations during the past month. now is

confident that it can dismantle and destroy as about the as part of a broader plan to also directly engage iran. and from its point of view, hopefully a engineer, a director to us in the way it seems to me that you know, they're trying to solve all of their quote unquote security problems simultaneously . this is an opportunity they said, and they have a very ply, an american president and congress that will go along with and i want to talk a little bit about around in the 2nd part of the program. well, how many do you know? one of the big discussions i've had with people, serious people, is the discussion over tactics and strategy. the walk and slaughter of people is a tactic, but it's not a strategy. these rallies are very good at doing that. it's a and a front to humanity. what they do, but it's not a strategy, go ahead. a well actually in the side of the business side of the story is ready to

machine that the world is fine. that's what they want. the big guy was ready to have done the last year. has the sort of the economy we've been military, they will never be invested in some major investments and as well and the teacher again. but all that aside is very easy. this made itself into a legit so many people that who never would have said such things before. peter. one of the extraordinary things is that some people are right now to criticize a new rod for about 5 feet by now by waiting to strike additional. what so many people that i know are contracted, contacted me from across the world and say, why is it you want to see me as well,

please, as a buyer hold. yeah, our decision maker is something you know, we do you mind is being supported by people. they want to. israel is rich because who does change this is if this is the strategy that they've succeeded just a couple of decades ago. we were, you know, when, when i 1st came on new sho, many years ago, you're on the axis of evil. yeah. demonized across the world. and now we see people from all walks of like jews, jewish friends of mine, christian friends of mine, mazda and friends of mine, others was asking, why is it the one i knew she knew what she. and i think that is symbolical, something something much bigger. this way, 5 units in amazing itself. i think the really nice the resume is going to help

problems in the months and years ahead. that will will become a issue. they cannot do as a whole. i mean, another issue moving that it will, that i don't think will be ever resolved it. lease, it wouldn't mean i think of the region is the united states as having any kind of legitimacy whatsoever. everybody knows that the, this is really government could not do without what it's doing on so many different fronts without the united states and joe biden do as duplicity says he is a reflects that go ahead moving or well, i would argue that the us essentially forfeited the, any legitimacy that it had in this region in 2003, with the invasion of iraq. and i think you're right that any residual legitimacy that has retained the 2 decades since then has,

has evaporated interests in error in the past year. and i think we also need to be clear about the nature of the us is really relationship. many people like to present to the us as a country that is in effect of the subordinate power as one that is controlled by is real and these real lobby and, and, and so on. and you know, as i would like to say on to don't, why dogs, dogs wag tools, and in this relationship is indisputably the united states. that is a superpower and israel, which is the regional proxy. and it's true that us policy towards the middle east has now for several decades. been characterized by i think, what many observers would, would call unconditional support for israel, but never the less what we've seen in the past year moines. and i've had to jump in here, we're gonna have to go to a hard break,

but i will ask you to hold that thought and we'll continue when return. okay, we're going to go to a short break. and after that short break, we'll continue our discussion on the future of the resistance. stay with the water is part of the, the employee would post that is in the deepest view of us and bidding the word part is it something deeper, more complex might be present there? let's stop. without cases let's go. part of it has no better place to be is the village than this? um,

most beautiful features is purely anarchist in the sense that there are no authorities within the city. everyone is their own citizens. half the people are here because then the rest to go and the other half here because they loved the taste and has nowhere else they rather be than here. but i don't know, it's hard. wonder explain. you just have to experience labs. and by doing that, you have to live near the dish lab right here in lagrange. this is one of the dining halls. it was a mess all for you know, soldiers boot place, you know, several 100 people have passed through here either under way, somewhere else or provide safe space to abuse women and to elderly people to mentor the people who addicts to children. you know, some cardboard checks, you know, but the cardboard shack of real coffee if we just been sleeping under one of the basic rules,

isn't sylvia and it keeps ground. you'll find out the welcome back across software. all things are considered on peter lavelle to remind you we're discussing the future of the resistance movement. the okay, let's go back to moving in montreal before it went to the regular characterize and the relationship the united states and israel have in the region. please continue. the thank you was making the point that the level of us support for israel during the past year as even by us standards on a whole new level um absolutely no restraints on the us. and its many of us european allies have knowingly unwillingly shredded the international rulebook, the norms and values that are under tenants on the altar of this really impunity in

order to ensure that israel can do as it pleases howard pleases, without facing any consequences for its actions. and i don't think this is a product of some nefarious control of washington by an israel lobby or anything. but yes, israel has many groupies in the us congress and so on. but i think on the one hand, do you have an administration led by the self proclaimed signed is still bite and that is almost uniquely invested in israel. and israel being able to achieve that objectives despite its failures over the past year. but there's also a geo political element to here to this issue, which is that washington i think, quite rightly sees and is really success as an american success. and is really failure, or as really defeat as reflecting negatively on washington's position in the region and more broadly, deal politically. well, i mean,

if we can go back to be rude. i, i can't, i, i understand the reasoning the moving gave us, but i can see how an end is really victory. however, you would define, it would be an american one because you have a regime that as low as the in the entire region. how can that possibly be a wind of the united states? but i suppose that's beside the point. go ahead and go home and react to it, and i'm moving had to say, i think it both correct. i, but i just don't see it is rarely with americans. me when, if this varies, succeed in subjugating vision, reasoning likely. turn out after closing or fulfilling the process of westbank southern level. but i don't see that in as a result, the office, it is the c 9,

the states and the europeans have destroyed the image across the will along the side as well. there see has a guess, right? be said, this is there, there seem to be a part of it is isabel is of the united states. the town is not wire, that's all. i agree, the course design as lobby is an american. it right there in the united states, there is a jewish christian, is there a secular? and they are very how. so it is the united states, but they are destroying themselves, collect what is destroying itself as resolve as well. i mean, also also a way i would say, you know, it's, it's, it's so easy to get into the, the details of nothing. yeah. who did this, and then biden said that, but i mean, it's is realize, reinforcing a greater american hegemony. i think that's the service they think they are

providing and the americans are so grateful they'll, they'll turn their, turned a blind eye to genocide. i mean, it's really quite extraordinary. and for the goal of a gemini, which is in there, really dangerous, particularly in that region. we have so little time a home. and i want to ask you about a around because that, you know, the, if that's what everybody we, you, your 1st answer on this program is about how the world is looking to around. and i know that iran has strategic patients, like the russians do, like the chinese do the oh, how, how do you think the day we're going to move forward here because israel wants as much violence as it can generate on as many friends as possible, always with the hope in which it with a lame duck president like joe biden, the americans will come in, they do the americans do have the hardware go ahead moment. i don't know if you can hear the sound of drones and explosives, but this is what life is now or never these,

these are the bunker busters here. i. well, obviously the ronnie is, will continue to support the access of resistance. they will continue to file the resistance a guy and his allies. they will build more time, also weapons, all have new members of this regime. never be able to pay a cost will continue to enable and saw the bucket. yeah, man and the american, they will continue to defeat the americans in this way of using the red sea and those who say that these are they were, they wouldn't have had success teams don't be the powers that are far greater than that of. so these are people who believe in the, as the colonial struggle they believe in the cd designers of colonialism. and this, those are privacy especially, you know,

it's not the tendency but anyway and drama continued to support high school, the thousands of cut off because of the panels that exist under them or not. these are the weapons at all. they are because of the wrong support, and it's not really hasn't heard as low as they killed the managers being as always in the weakest link it's. it's a cd of espionage in my god. yeah, the western embassies was an energy of many of the western journalists, people going across the country. the machine has not had any successes dealing with it's underground structure at all. then we have syria, iraq, but i have no doubt that you're on will. it's all on this is way maybe she, the minus the said they wouldn't, i, i don't doubt that that will happen. but i do have a balancing act to do. on the one hand,

they have to ensure that nothing yahoo is defeated so far has been defeated the fire, despite the fact that you may need to ask about the western needs on the drum because they think the chief something to the status is especially in recent days, but he is he, he will not be in that he must be defeated so they will protect i'm off of the other groups, but they have, it honestly got to do because the other one is really, really must be defeated. but on the other hand, no one wants original the, the writers and it has all have their policy has allowed this a review to escalate 1st. so the international community forget the less international community, the global south seas is really, really most address. so the western media fridays and the west coast was not able to turn the tables inside them. it is about the wrong. but you run room with the

response and the cover to make a decision. are they going to initiate? if they do, then all that you're on america as will be swept away project, all that could destroy the whole oil and gas economy for the world. so no one wants this, but they were going to move it the wrong direction for a regional context. the miners and the resistance wants to make sure that the world sees it. this is what the american is raised. it's not something that you're initiated. you know, moving ever since the inception of the state of israel is rarely foreign policy, has been quite a depth of dividing the error of neighbors and puts you, making them go against around. but over the last year, we've seen a couple, a lot, a lot, all these different groups. they may have differences, but there were united, more than ever, against this policy of israel, supported by the united states. i mean,

this is one of the unintended consequences where we see the resistance actually stronger, not weaker as well. i said, if you go back through israel's admittedly short history, you'll find that one of the principles of his early state craft has been to prevent any unified or coordinated action against it. this goes back to the armistice. negotiations of the late 19 forties or israel insisted on negotiating separately with the chair of the states and succeeded in doing so. um its attitude during, for example, the 1991 madrid, a peace conference and so on. and so i think israel's primary dilemma now is that it is being confronted by this coalition, known as the axis of resistance. and it's a cold list and not a form of the lions, but it is uh,

coordinating. and therefore i think is real strategic objective. now that it's a little, you know, drunk with power after its successful series of assassinations and loving on during the past 2 months and, and elsewhere is to seek to systematically dismantle the school. listen 1st by the linking its members from the gaza strip, then by the linking them from each other, and then by destroying each of them. and i, and if you listen to a speech and that's in yahoo gave yesterday, where he basically promised the wrong young people that salvation is at hand, that will be coming soon and so on. it's quite clear that israel has determined that the road to turn rock goes through the southern suburbs of beta root and given the situation in the us, i think period between now and the end of the by the ministration represents an

extraordinary january 2025 represents an extraordinarily dangerous time and my thoughts exactly here is what, what, how will that play into the calculations? do you think into that? i think i agree completely down to your selections. we have a very dangerous situation, but there's only one option that is to ensure the next 10 years and we should be here, we are. western pop together during the days of western media will try to speak of this very success is the saw in, in, in a bad thing on the territory. but we've heard 2006. we were told that they were waiting, and suddenly we woke up. i think it was the financial times of wall street journal, which it admitted as well. uh,

national the one before i don't remember exactly which one it was. and i think that it was being drawn. and this way, these, the drugs are miscalculating the market at the same time. so i think it's only, maybe people are more determined, more angry and as your, as you raised the previous. but it has, i did the region even further. look at the state is coming now. how much? well wait, you always have to be careful what you wish for, particularly in politics here. gentlemen, that's all the time we have. i want to thank my guess and be rude and in montreal and, and of course i want to thank our viewers for watching us here at ortiz. see you next time. remember across the

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things here and use this. it goes to in the window. this includes the iran far as must've barrels of missiles that is rarely retaliation. but the reason killings of hezbollah and how must lead is, as well as the re, new military stock or on ones is well that most strikes will come unless it stands that if the zionist regime intends to continue such crimes or do anything against our sovereignty or territorial integrity, tonight's operation will be repeated with much higher magnitude the correspondence quotes up in the re noon sprinkling is well and while authorities