geographical location, because it is a town on a dominating highest. that is, it is mostly apartment block buildings built out of concrete now. and it kinda, it is surrounded by empty fields by open fields. so it was increasingly, it was incredibly difficult for the russians to take control of this down because the very approach towards this town is very, very deadly. the fighting for good has been going on for the past 2 and a half years now. and uh for all that time the ukrainians have managed to keep that stronghold for themselves. now the russians, uh, basically the fact that the ukrainians uh that the crate in forces have been stretched very thinly in the past couple of months. this has allowed the russians while they are gaining ground on the perhaps the direction outside of dave. can i change agent and now they're moving out, but they have moved on the flanks of oakland. uh. then this has allowed them to, well to basically, uh, almost in circle of the guys send that over the crate in troops. is that under the

read frequently ukrainian combined is particularly noteworthy here because the right before the full of oakland. uh, we have seen various politicians and come on does say that in fact, it's not that important is something crucial for them. it's all the crucial for the defense and that the loss of ogle, it wouldn't be much for the ukrainians. this is the very same type of rhetoric we have seen before, they abandon, but move before the abundance of dave could before they abandon the lots of other towns and villages would that before they abandon money and cut before they would kicked out of those places by the russians saying that they are important to even despite the fact that they last hundreds and even thousands, tens of thousands of men in each of those places. so now, oh good. that is repeating this history is repeating uh is basically they are repeating the very same talking points that they,

it seems to have had since the very beginning of the world. now of course we have to wait for the official confirmation of the russian defense ministry because so far it has not stepped forward and has not claimed the town of oakland uh for itself. but i mean this has been lately the policy. it seems the, all the of the russian defense ministry press service because they wait for the town to be completely cleared of everyone hiding above the enemy, hiding in the basement, sylvia. and any major, those who were lost, those who was combs were busted. and who did not get the order the to evacuate and who still stay there. normally, this process of clearing the town takes a couple of days and the but given again, given the amount of footage we have seen, imagine from lit up, posted on line by blog as by uh, who got them directly from uh, brigades combined, as we did, is safe to say that's

a town of oh, good. on the basically this official announcements coming from the russian ministry of defense is only a matter of time. without this news outlets. join a pizza. no, by long club folk, and we'll be back in about 30 minutes. the, [000:00:00;00] the hello and welcome to cross stock. were all things are considered on peter level. what is the state and future of the resistance movement, challenging israel with the goss genocide, continuing unabated and testable as leadership designated? what are some of the choices facing it?

ran is israel getting it's which of regional's war the cross fucking the resistance movement. i'm joined by my guess mohammed mirandi and bay root is a professor at the university of toronto. and in montreal, we have moving romani he is co editor of jamalia. all right, just link cross type rules in effect, that means you can jump in any time you want, and i always appreciated. well, how many let me go to you 1st and be route. there's so many separate individual things that we can be talking about. but i'd like to go for them the broadest picture, starting off in what is the state of the resistance right now, given what's going on. it's been happening in the last week and 11 on the go ahead . a lot of people here, obviously in a very difficult situation that's very big. yeah. with a sh on on the 1st day with me on the south, central 11 on

a visit. and you said people, that's when i decided to come to the with a bit of a but also to do my own with media. and when i was amazing, people are very angry, obviously because of the sites. but then we have the air sites inside the a where i was, i was about a 1000 meters away from where say to pass that and that sort of off it was underground side of the ground, showed 080 we one part of this house and hundreds of people were this, we're sorry my sabbatical year. when i was working, i pay the conflicts for so they just, they're all just fine with the west for me. yeah. of course, only focus is on the market to say that they don't want to deal with

the genocide aspect of this 5 hours a, the intern from southern they, the re partners will be able to be but only a very short period of time. obviously they really didn't want to be and that strung over 10, maybe a dozen different phases which weren't declare and then it just began and they got worse. so people were, were married. and then when they discovered that say it was march of people were people who were refugees on the street. they were, we see tiers, but they quickly, they quickly saw and i personally leave the smart to them and say it has sudden us on the we'll say resistance the west people in the west and some others may say these and keywords that you as a, towering figure he made has, for

a lot of what it is at 80 salvage revenue machine from the bay where i am right now . and the feed is, i isn't out by the and all these other groups as well as a sophisticated organization today, many intelligent people may be higher, educated people are effective and spread out across the country and beyond. and they are more than capable of defeating this way. the evidence and the notion i big uh, the resistance being dependent on an individual group of individuals. i think it sort of raises oriented. yeah. yeah, this is yeah, the structure of stair and is raised for me from that. i think they'll see that they will lose. yeah, because the resistance is an idea and it's communities, it's just not one person. and. and if you go according to the west to one bad person, okay. well, we, you know, as we speak right now, there appears to be

a ground incursion into loving non, there's a lot of conflicting reports about what to what degree and what, you know, it's limited and targeted. i think i've heard that before. busy or oh yeah, i did. 1982. they said exactly the same thing. it didn't work out then it didn't work out in 2006. what's going to be different this time? we well, we'll have to wait and see. i mean, regarding your previous question um has above the deputy general secretary and i am costs of him yesterday gave an address in which he stated that has been the remains institutionally coherent. that it will quickly replace those leaders, including the general secretary who were recently killed within a very short period of time that it retains the will and capacity to fight. and it's that it retains its military capabilities and it will not renounce any of its objectives. in other words,

there will be no the linking of love and on the gaza strip. those are fairly clear criteria, so we should find out before too long to what extent has about has been weakened and to what extent hasn't regarding your question. it's 1982. it's 2006. it's somewhat ironic. 11 on the smallest arabs date is where is rarely and us hubris goes to diets the graveyard of these grand additions and 1982. you have ariel sharon's operation big pines falsely sold to the world as, as operation piece for galilee, which was sold as an attempt to push the p a little back 40 kilometers from these really border but was actually a grand plan to remake the levant and it's made achievement was in fact the establishment of hezbollah,

which israel is fighting today in 2006. as you may remember, the us secretary of state called the liza rice referred to as rules invasion of love. and on in that year, as the birth pangs of a new middle east, and it turns out to be a rather bloody miscarriage. of course, some of the past is not a definitive predictor of the future. but i think what we've seen now is that is real, has announced a very limited objective for its invasion of love, and on mainly posting hezbollah forces back from the border. but it's already clear that it's envisions, are much larger, i think is real given what it has achieved in terms of assassinations during the past month. now is confident that it can dismantle and destroy as about the as part of

a broader plan to also directly engage iran. and from its point of view, hopefully a engineer, a director to us in the way it seems to me that you know, they're trying to solve all of their quote unquote security problems simultaneously . this is an opportunity they said, and they have a very ply, an american president and congress that will go along with and i want to talk a little bit about around in the 2nd part of the program mohammed unit. one of the big discussions i've had with people, serious people, is the discussion over tactics and strategy. the walk and slaughter of people is a tactic, but it's not a strategy. these rallies are very good at doing that. it's a and a front to humanity. what they do, but it's not a strategy, go ahead. well, actually in that, it is the strategy is financing for the story is ready to machine that the world is fine. that's what they wanted. the guy was ready to have done the last year

has nothing has the story is very tired. we've been military, they will never be invested in some major investments as well and the teacher. but all that aside is really easy, is made itself into a, a legit, regina, the hired so many people that i know that who never would have said such things before. peter. one of the extraordinary things is that some people are right not criticizing the wrong or not striking by now, by the way, the strike it is. what so many people that i know are contracted, contacted me from across the world and say, why is it, do you mind repeating is oh, please hold. yeah, our decision maker is something, you know, we,

the monitor is being supported by people as possible. they want you to hit israel plan, which is rich book who does change this is if this is the strategy that they have succeeded just a couple of decades ago. we were, you know, when, when i 1st came on new sho, many years ago you ron was the axis of evil. yeah. demonized across the world. and now we see people from all walks of like jews, jewish friends in my christian friends, and my mazda and friends of mine, others i was asking, why is it the 100? and i think that is symbolically something something much bigger. this rate by due to jayden myers and his self. i think the really nice the resume is going to help problems in the months and years ahead. that will will become

a issue. they cannot do as a whole. i mean, another issue moving that it will, that i don't think will be ever resolved. it least it, when we think of the region is uh, the united states is having any kind of legitimacy whatsoever. everybody knows that the, this is really government could not do without what it's doing on so many different brands without the united states and joe biden do as duplicity says he is a reflects that go ahead moving as well. i would argue that the us essentially forfeited the any legitimacy that it had in this region in 2003 with the invasion of iraq. and i think you're right that any residual legitimacy that it has retained in the 2 decades since then has, has evaporated into thin air in the past year. and i think we also need to be

clear about the nature of the us is really relationship. many people like to present to the us as a country that is in effect of the subordinate power as one that is controlled by is real and these real lobby and, and, and so on. and you know, as i would like to say, i'm tools don't wag dogs, dogs wag tools. and this relationship does indisputably the united states that is a superpower and israel, which is the regional proxy. and it's true that us policy towards the middle east has now for several decades. been characterized by i think, what many observers would, would call unconditional support for israel, but never the less what we've seen in the past year moines. and i've had to jump in here, we're going to have to go to a hard break, but i will ask you to hold that thought and we'll continue when return. okay, we're going to go to a short break. and after that short break, we'll continue our discussion on the future of the resistance. stay with our to

the, [000:00:00;00] the, the, the welcome back across software. all things are considered on peter lavelle to remind you we're discussing the future of the resistance movement. the

okay, let's go back to moving in montreal before i went to the regular characterizing the relationship, the united states and israel have in the region. please continue. the thank you was making the point that the level of us support for israel during the past year as even by us standards on a whole new level um absolutely no restraints in the us and its uh, many of us european allies have knowingly unwillingly shredded the international rulebook, the norms and values that are under penance on, on the altar of is really impunity in order to ensure that israel can do as it pleases how it pleases without facing any consequences for its actions. and i don't think this is a product of some nefarious control of washington by an israel lobby or anything. yes,

israel has many groupies in the us congress and so on. but i think on the one hand, do you have an administration loved by the self proclaimed design is still bite and that is almost uniquely invested in israel. and israel being able to achieve that objectives despite its failures over the past year. but there's also a geo political element to here to this issue, which is that washington i think, quite rightly sees and is really success as an american success. and is really failure, or is really defeat as reflecting negatively on washington's position in the region and more broadly deal politically. well, i mean, if we can go back to the road i, i can't, i, i understand the reasoning the moving gave us, but i can't see how an end is really victory. however, you would define it would be an american one because you have a regime that as low as the in the entire region. how can that possibly be

a win for the united states? but i suppose that's beside the point. go ahead and go home and react with the movie and had to say, i think it follows correct i. but i just don't see it is rarely with americans. me. when it is res, succeed in subjugating that. we should turn out cleansing or fulfilling the process of westbank southern level, but i don't see that as a result, the opposite is, is a minus phase, and the europeans have destroyed the image or cost of all along the side as well. they are, see, has a guess, right? we said this is their, their c, b, r is israel is, uh,

the united states. the town does not wire the dog. i agree, the horse designers lobby is an american law right there. in the united states, there is a jewish christian who is there a secular at the hall. so it is the united states, but they are destroying themselves. the collective way is destroying itself as a result of as well. i mean, also also a way i would say, you know, it's, it's so easy to get into the, the details of net and, you know, who did this and then biden said that, but i mean, it's is realize, reinforcing a greater american hegemony. i think that's the service they think they are providing and the americans are so grateful they'll, they'll turn their, turned a blind guy to genocide. i mean, it's really quite extraordinary. and for the goal of a gemini, which is in there, really dangerous, particularly in that region. we have so little time a home. and i want to ask you about a around because that, you know, the, if that's what everybody we, you,

your 1st answer on this program is about how the world is looking to around. and i know that iran has strategic patients, like the russians do, like the chinese do the oh, how, how do you think the they were going to move forward here because israel wants as much violence as it can generate on as many friends as possible, always with the hope in which it with a lame duck president like joe biden, the americans will come in, they do the americans do have the hardware go ahead moment. i don't know, she can hear the sound of drones and explosions. but this is what life is now for the love of these, these are her busters. here. i, well, obviously the ronnie is, will continue to support the access of resistance. they will continue to find the resistance that god off his allies. they will build more time to so weapons, all the members of these raising never be able to pay a cost,

will continue to enable and saw the bucket. yeah, man and the american, they will continue to see the americans in this way of using the red sea at the foot. also say that these are they will, they wouldn't have had success box. these don't be the powers that are far greater than that of so these are people who believe in the ad, the colonial struggle they believe in the cd designers of colonialism in this, those privacy especially, you know, it's not the kinds of you but anyway and drama continued to support high school, the thousands of kilometers as piles that exist under that are not. these are the weapons at all. they are because of the wrong support. and it's not really haven't heard, has the structure, they killed the commanders and it would be as always,

in the weakest link it's, it's a cd of espionage and my god. yeah. the west with embassies, residential, many of the western journalists, people going across the country. the machine has not had any successes dealing with . it's under brown structure at all. then we have syria, iraq, but i have no doubt that you're on will this all under says way, maybe she? so the minus a says they wouldn't i, i don't doubt that that will happen. but i do have a balancing act to do on the one hand, they have to ensure that nothing yahoo is defeated and so far has been defeated by despite the fact that the in the immediate us about it was an upfront for the chief something through the state as high as especially in recent days, but he is,

he will not be in tomorrow that he must be defeated so they will protect as they will. but i'm awesome. the other groups, but they have, it honestly got to do because the other one is really, really he must be defeated. but on the other hand, no one wants original the, the writers and it has all have their policy has allowed this a review to escalate 1st. so the international community forget the west international community, the global south seas is really, really messed up so that the west and media products and the west coast was not able to turn the tables inside them. it is about the wrong. but you, ron, will, will not the response to make a decision. are they going to initiate? if they do, then all that you're on america has to be swept away, present all that could destroy the whole oil and gas economy for the world.

so no one wants this, but they were going to move it the wrong direction for a regional context. the miners and the resistance wants to make sure that the world sees it. this is what the americans and this raise is not something that you're initiate. you know, moving, we, ever since the inception of the state of israel is really foreign policy, has been quite a adapted of dividing the error of neighbors and puts you, making them go against the around. but over the last year, we've seen a couple, a lot, a lot, all these different groups. they may have differences, but they were united more than ever, against this policy of israel, supported by the united states. i mean, this is one of the unintended consequences where we see the resistance actually stronger, not weaker as well. i said, if you go back through israel's admittedly short history,

you'll find one of the principles of his early state craft has been to prevent any unified or coordinated action against it. this goes back to the armistice. negotiations of the late 19 forties or israel insisted on negotiating separately with each other of states and succeeded in doing so. it's attitude during, for example, the 1991 madrid, i'm a peace conference and so on. and so i think israel's primary dilemma now is that it is being confronted by this coalition, known as the axis of resistance. and it's a coalition, not a formal alliance, but it is uh, coordinating. and therefore i think is real strategic objective. now that it's a little, you know, drunk with power after its successful series of assassinations and loving on during the past 2 months and,

and elsewhere is to seek to systematically dismantle this coalition. first by the linking its members from the gaza strip, then by the linking them from each other, and then by destroying each of them. and i, and if you listen to a speech and that's in yahoo gave yesterday, where he basically promised the randi and people that salvation is at hand, that will be coming soon and so on. it's quite clear that israel has determined that the road to death rock goes through the southern suburbs of beta root and given the situation in the us. i think the period between now and the end of the bite, the ministration represents an extraordinary january 2025. represents an extraordinarily dangerous time. and my thoughts exactly here is what, what, how will that play into the calculations? do you think into then?

i think i agree completely down to your selections. we have a very dangerous situation, but there's only one option that is to ensure that next in your and we should be here. we are. questions pop together are the days ahead of western media will try to speak of this very success is in, in, in a bad thing on both of these territory. 2006. we were told that they were waiting and suddenly we woke up. i think it was the financial times or was fees journal which it admitted as well. not from the i don't remember exactly which one it was. and i think that it was being drawn. and this way these drugs are miscalculating the market. the sadness of i think, is only made people more determine,

more angry and as your, as you raised the previous it has, i did the region even further. look in the state is coming now. how much? well, way you always have to be careful what you wish for, particularly in politics here, gentlemen, that's all the time we have. i want to thank my guest and be rude and in montreal. and of course, i want to thank our viewers for watching us here at ortiz. see you next time. remember, across the the all the same rom,

just don't you have to shape house because after kids and engagement equals the trail. when so many find themselves boils, the parts we choose to look so common ground the the here on the list, they can miss all the raw. say games is well that wrong sir, that targeted add bases on the side. aids 2 in one or more because the fax is nothing to use. it's a direction also at the place that the is really administration will set it sites on after palestine and lebanon with complete religious fanaticism will be our homeland crazy concerns about the is really