so i know very well what a sail boat is. i myself, i'll send out a sale that pacific ocean beam california, also in the area of the sea of cortez the closer to mexico. but i have the $39.00 foot sale both. i'm not entirely sure about the size of and drama the but it's already now based on my experience, i can understand that. so 1st of all, you can not without incurring such conditions and it's even impossible to imagine how to get so many people and equipment on a sale bose in order to do all of this. so now if someone says anything about that, i'm drawing me to your it's, can you basically laugh in their face? absolutely correct them on nothing. yeah. so then trauma is not suitable for such an operation as old. am i right? if i move, are you thinking well, in theory everything is possible, but in reality to the, to remain invisible and for americans unintelligence as not to find out about it.

this will happen within my before and you more than me of probably too early at the moment to assess what kind of damage that facts cause to the economies of europe, to europe and 1st and foremost germany. but if we talk about the cost of the operation itself, the west or media ballparks it at around $300000.00. the cost of economies could be in the billions of about trillions. while it was a mere $300000.00 for the perpetrators. how close do you think a figure is the reality for a fight on each of them? let's go to sleep. i'm just going to feed me directly to my to a piece by piece it should be 300000. i think it was the what's the median labeled? i'm needing cover operation with ukranian davis, but this is only one operation, full, 300000. and the other day to of course, is classified you yourself understand by me when you might well,

when this state machine is thirds on van or the it is already a state machine because without the participation of the state by individual citizens, it is impossible to do it has to be or near rough morning, whether or not it's probably unlikely that these people could remain unnoticed for almost 2 years if there were just ordinary citizens. right? quite right. so that is when the question was raised on the international community demonte few days, much was on the off to back up to 2 years. they started to open the calvin. they discovered that it was not the americans, not the prettiest, but the premiums. who did it, which nobody knew about time, they discovered by accident after 2 years. naturally they knew all this, but the was community when they demanded here they showed here they are. here it is . yes. the can you? yes, into years of course we've heard a very large number of versions about explosions on the north stream gas pipeline.

and now we have heard was a specific version from hugh. but still do you think that so there could be any alternative versions besides state servers? i feel like even though you gotta see it growing, you got to get our use my this is the law. there is only one version here and exploits. understand perfectly well. the states, not just one state, was involved in blowing up the no stream. and if we go on this, say as it will be developed by the americans, according to the hollywood scenario, they will not be left in the lodge. why? because they developing another operation. there was a cover up for the 1st one is with ukraine, but they have a 2nd cover operation that it was actually done by the british. the americans had nothing to do with that, but i mean, it's, yeah, john. yes, of course, hearing all these reactions, it's unbelievable that people continue to believe much more willingly and fairly

sales that in fact we've worked. thank you so much for joining us today. i'm a room if somebody could be an issue with now. many people are afraid to talk about it specifically, but perhaps it's time to speak of the people know about it. a lot of people don't talk about it and in other countries as well. so yes, well as they say, god's willing verizon, the years will be open from a veteran of the reconnaissance of the russian navy, a specialist in underwater operations, either ginger gulf was with us eager. thank you very much. once again. all right, that's the news now. thanks for watching, i'll see you again the, [000:00:00;00] the,

[000:00:00;00] the hello and welcome to cross talk. we're all things are considered. i'm peter lavelle . what is the state and future of the resistance movement, challenging israel with the gods as genocide continuing unabated and testable as leadership designated? what are some of the choices facing a rent is israel getting? it's which of a regional war, the cross fucking the resistance movement. i'm joined by my guess mohammed mirandi and be root is a professor at the university of toronto. and in montreal we have moving romani he is co editor of jamalia, all right, just link cross type rules and effect. that means you can jump in any time you want . and i always appreciated. well, how many let me go to you 1st and be route. there's so many separate individual things that we can be talking about, but i'd like to go for them the broadest picture,

starting off in what is the state of the resistance right now, given what's going on. it's been happening in the last week and 11 on go ahead. a lot of people here obviously in a very difficult situation. this very it yeah, with a sh on on the 1st day with me on the south central level. uh it is it people that's when i decided to come to be a bit of a but also to do my own part with media and when i was amazing, people are very angry obviously because of the science for them. we have the air sites in southern a rooms where i was, i was about a 1000 meters away from where i said pass on that. so a lot of was underground,

a set of tires the ground showed 080 we $100.00. this house and hundreds of people were this we're, we're sorry, you know, my sabbatical here. when i was working at the conflicts form. so they just, they're all just fine with the western media, of course only focuses on the market to say they don't want to deal with the genocide aspect of. ready bike and then an hour from southern they the refinance told people to be, but on the very short period of time, obviously they really didn't want to be. and that strung over 10, maybe a dozen different phases which weren't declare. and then it just began and they got worse. so people were, were married. and then when they discovered that say it was march of people were people who were refugees on the street. they were we see tiers,

but they quickly, they quickly compared sauce for. and i personally leave the lock to them and say it has sudden us on the, we'll say resistance the west people in the west and some others may say the fact that he was a towering figure. he may has, for a long what it is, a salvage revenue meeting from the bay where i am right now. and the feed is, i isn't out by the and all these other groups as well as a sophisticated organization today, many intelligent people may be higher, educated people, we are effective and spread out across the country and beyond. and they are more than capable of defeating this way, the evidence and the notion, i big uh,

the resistance being headed on an individual group of individuals, i think it's sort of raises oriented. yeah, yeah, this is yeah, the structure of stair and is raised for me from and i think they'll see that they will lose. yeah, because the resistance is an idea and it's communities it's, it's not one person. and, and if you go according to the west to one bad person, okay, well we, you know, as we speak right now, there appears to be a ground incursion into loving non, there's a lot of conflicting reports about what to what degree and what, you know, it's limited and targeted, i think i've heard that before. oh yeah, i did. 1982. they said exactly the same thing. it didn't work out then it didn't work out in 2006. what's going to be different this time? we well, we'll have to wait and see, i mean, regarding your previous question um has above the deputy general secretary and i am costs of yesterday gave an address in which he stated that has been the remains

institutionally coherent. that it will quickly replace those leaders, including the general secretary who are recently killed within a very short period of time that it retains the will and capacity to fight. and it's that it retains its military capabilities and it will not renounce any of its objectives. in other words, there will be no the linking of love and on the gaza strip. those are fairly clear criteria, so we should find out before too long to what extent has about has been weakened and to what extent hasn't regarding your question. it's on 1982. it's 2006. it's somewhat ironic. 11 on the smallest arabs date is where is rarely and us hubris and goes to diets the graveyard of these grand additions and 1982. you

have ariel sharon's operation big pines falsely sold to the world as, as of operation piece for galilee, which was sold as an attempt to push the pillow back 40 kilometers from these really border but was actually a grand plan to remake the levant and its main achievement was in fact the establishment of hezbollah, which is real, is fighting today in 2006. as you may remember, the us secretary of state called the liza rice referred to as rules, the invasion of love. and on in that year, as the birth pangs of a new middle east, and it turns out to be a rather bloody miscarriage. of course, some of the past is not a definitive predictor of the future. but i think what we've seen now is that is

real, has announced a very limited objective for its invasion of loving on, mainly posting hezbollah forces back from the border. but it's already clear that it's envisions, are much larger, i think is real given what it has achieved in terms of assassinations during the past month. now is confident that it can dismantle and destroy as about the as part of a broader plan to also directly engage iran. and from its point of view, hopefully a engineer of direct to us in the way it seems to me that you know, they're trying to solve all of their quote unquote security problems simultaneously . this is an opportunity they said, and they have a very ply, an american president and congress that will go along with and i want to talk a little bit about around in the 2nd part of the program. well, how many do you know? one of the big discussions i've had with people, serious people, is the discussion over tactics and strategy. the walk and slaughter of people is

a tactic, but it's not a strategy. these rallies are very good at doing that. it's a and a front to humanity. what they do, but it's not a strategy, go ahead. well, actually, in that, this strategy is financing for the story is ready to machine that the world is fine . that's what they wanted. the big guy was ready to have done the last year. has not, it has not only been story, we've been military, they will never be invested in some major investments and as well and is the trade . yeah. but all that aside is very easy. this made itself into a, a illegitimate regime of the higher so many people that i know that who never would have said such things before. peter,

one of the extraordinary things is that some people are right. not criticizing the wrong for not 5 feet by now by waiting to strike. it is what so many people that i know are contracted, contacted me from across the world and say, why is it you are getting as well please as a buyer. i oh, yeah, our decision maker is something you know, we do you mind is being supported by people to be want to israel is rich because who does change this is if this is the strategy that they succeeded just a couple of decades ago. we were, you know, when, when i 1st came on new sho, many years ago you ron was the axis of evil. yeah. demonize across the world. and now we see people from all walks of like jews,

jewish friends in my christian friends, and my mazda and friends of mine, others was asking, why is it the 100 sure you're busy? and i think that is symbolical, something something much bigger. this right? by you, it's a to my, as it is self, i think the really nice the resume is going to help problems in the months and years ahead. that's uh will, will become a issue. they cannot do as a whole. i mean, another issue moving that it will, that i don't think will be ever resolved it. lease, it wouldn't mean i think of the region is uh, the united states is having any kind of legitimacy whatsoever. everybody knows that the, this is really government could not do without what it's doing on so many different brands without the united states and joe biden do as duplicity says he is a reflects that go ahead moving as well. i would argue that the

us essentially forfeited the any legitimacy that it had in this region in 2003 with the invasion of iraq. and i think you're right that any residual legitimacy that has retained in the 2 decades since then has, has evaporated interests in error in the past year. and i think we also need to be clear about the nature of the us is really relationship. many people like to present to the us as a country that is in effect of the subordinate power as one that is controlled by is real and these real lobby and, and, and so on. and you know, as i'd like to say until don't lag dogs, dogs wag tools. and this relationship does indisputably the united states that is a superpower and israel, which is the regional proxy. and it's true that us policy

towards the middle east has now for several decades. been characterized by i think, what many observers would, would call unconditional support for israel, but never the less what we've seen in the past year moines. and i've had to jump in here, we're going to have to go to a hard rate, but i will ask you to hold that thought and we'll continue when return. okay, we're going to go to a short break. and after that short break, we'll continue our discussion on the future of the resistance. stay with our to the welcome back across. ok, we're all things are considered on peter lavelle to remind you we're discussing the future of the resistance movement. the okay, let's go back to moving in montreal before it went to the regular characterize and

the relationship, the united states in his real life in the region. please continue. thank you. well, i was making the point that the level of us support for israel during the past year is even by us standards on a whole new level of absolutely no restraints of the us. and it's uh, many of its european allies have knowingly unwillingly shredded the international rulebook, the norms and values that are under tenants on, on the altar of is really impunity in order to ensure that israel can do as it pleases how it pleases without facing any consequences. for its actions, and i don't think this is a product of some nefarious control of washington by and is real lobby or anything . what? yes, israel has many groupies in the us congress and so on. but i think on the one hand

you happen to administration love by the self proclaimed design is still bite and that is almost uniquely invested in israel. it is real, being able to achieve its objectives despite its failures over the past year. but there's also a geo political element to here to this issue, which is that washington i think, quite rightly sees and is really success as an american success. and is really failure, or is really defeat as reflecting negatively on washington's position in the region and more broadly, deal politically. well, i mean, it's good. we can go back to be rude. i, i can't, i, i understand the reasoning the moving gave us, but i can't see how it is really victory. however you would define, it would be an american one because you have a regime that as low as been the entire res. how can that possibly be a win of the united states? but i suppose that's beside the point. go ahead mohammed reactor with the movie and

had to say, i think it both correct. i, but i just don't see it is rarely with americans. me when, if it is res, succeed in subjugating vision. reason kinda closing or fulfilling the process of westbank southern level. but i don't see that as a result, the office it is, is a minus phase, and the europeans have destroyed the image or cost of all along the side as well. there see has a guess, right? be said, this is their, their c, b, r is isabelle. is the united states, the town does not wire the dog. i agree, the course design as lobby is an american america in the united states. there is

a jewish christian who is there a secular and they are very how. so it is the united states, but they are destroying themselves to collect the what is destroying itself as a result of as well. i mean, also also it where i would say, you know, it's, it's, it's so easy to get into the, the details of nothing. yeah. who did this and then biden said that, but i mean it's is realize, reinforcing a greater american hegemony. i think that's the service they think they are providing and the americans are so grateful they'll, they'll turn their, turned a blind guy to genocide. i mean, it's really quite extraordinary and it was for the goal of a gemini, which is in there, really dangerous, particularly in that region. we have so little time and i want to ask you about a around because that, you know, the, if that's what everybody we you, your 1st answer on this program is about how the world is looking to around. and i know that iran has strategic patients, like the russians do,

like the chinese do the oh, how, how do you think the they were going to move forward here because israel wants as much violence as it can generate on as many friends as possible, always with the hope in which it with a lame duck president like joe biden, the americans will come in, they do the americans do have the hardware go ahead moment. i don't know, she can hear the sound of drones and explosions. but this is what life is now for the love of these, these are busters here. i, well, obviously the ronnie is, will continue to support the access of resistance. they will continue to find the resistance. they've got allies, they will build more time to so weapons, all have new members in this raising, never even to pay a cost will continue to enable and saw the boss in. yeah,

man and america and they will continue to defeats the americans in this way of using the red sea. and those would say that these they were, they wouldn't have had success. these don't be the powers that are far greater than that of so these are people who believe in the ad, the colonial struggle they believe in the cd design colonialism. and this, those are privacy, especially though it's not the category but anyway and drama continued to support high school. the thousands of kilometer doesn't exist under them or not. these are the weapons at all. they are because of the wrong support, and it's not really hasn't heard as well as a constructor. they killed the commanders as always in the weakest link it's, it's

a cd o s in uh in like that. yeah, the requests for them to seize residential, many lesson journalists, people coming and going across the country, the regime has not had any successes dealing with. it's under brown structure at all. then we have syria, iraq, but i have no doubt that you're on we'll, it's all on the machine. so the minus a sudden they wouldn't, i, i don't doubt that that will happen. but i do have a balancing act to do. on the one hand, they have to ensure that nothing yahoo is defeated so far has been defeated the bike, despite the fact that it may need to ask about western leads and upfront because they think that they've achieved something through the status on this. especially in recent days, but he is, he will not be with you right now that he must be defeated. so they will protect a most of the other groups. but they have another thing to do because the other one

is very rich. he must be defeated, but on the other hand, the model, no one wants original the the writers and it has all have their policy has allowed this a resume to escalate 1st. so the international community forget the wes international community, the global south seas. so the west and media products and the west coast is not able to turn the tables inside them. it is about the wrong. but the ron will, will not respond. and the cover to make a decision. are they going to initiate? if they do, then all that you're on america has to be swept away and all that could destroy the whole oil and gas economy for the world. so no one wants this, but they were going to move it the wrong direction for a regional context. the menus,

and the resistance wants to make sure that the world sees that this is what the american for this race is not something that you're initiate, you know, moving ever since the inception of the state of israel is rarely foreign policy, has been quite a depth it uh, of dividing the error of neighbors and puts you, making them go against the around. but over the last year we've seen a couple, a let a lot, all these different groups. they may have differences, but the united, more than ever, against this policy of israel supported by the united states. i mean, this is one of the unintended consequences where we see the resistance actually stronger, not weaker as well. i said, if you go back through israel's admittedly short history, you'll find that one of the principles of those early state craft has been to

prevent any unified or coordinated action against it. this goes back to the armistice. negotiations of the late 19 forties or israel insisted on negotiating separately with each other of states and succeeded in doing so. it's attitude during, for example, the 1991 madrid, i'm a peace conference and so on. and so i think israel's primary dilemma now is that it is being confronted by this coalition, known as the axis of resistance. and it's a coalition, not a formal alliance, but it is uh, coordinating. and therefore i think is real strategic objective. now that it's a little, you know, drunk with power after its successful series of assassinations and loving on during the past 2 months and, and elsewhere is to seek to systematically dismantle the school. listen 1st by the linking its members from the gaza strip,

then by the linking them from each other, and then by destroying each of them. and i, and if you listen to a speech and that's in yahoo gave yesterday, where he basically promised the randi and people that salvation is at hand, that will be coming soon and so on. it's quite clear that israel has determined that the road to, to rock goes through the southern suburbs of beta root and given the situation in the us. i think the period between now and the end of the by the ministration represents an extraordinary january 2025. represents an extraordinarily dangerous time. i'm in my thoughts exactly. here is what, what, how will that play into the calculations? do you think into then? i think i agree completely down to your selections.

we have a very dangerous situation, but there's only one option that is to ensure the next video and we should be here. we are western pop together are the days ahead. western media will try to speak of this very success is a saw in, in, in a bad thing on the territory. but we've heard 2006. we were told that they were waiting, and suddenly we woke up. i think it was the financial times of last week journal, which it admitted as for the national one before i don't remember exactly which one was. and i think that it was being drawn. and this really is be drawn upon miscalculating the market of, of santa sending us, of, i think is only, maybe people are more determined, more angry and as your, as you raised the previous. but it has,

i did the region even further. look at the state is coming now. come off. well, where you always have to be careful what you wish for, particularly in politics here. gentlemen, that's all the time we have. i want to thank my guess and be rude and in montreal. and of course, i want to thank our viewers for watching us here at ortiz. see you next time. remember, across the the around is also entered the compensation for 2 whole months. it has shown remarkable restraints. under these circumstances, russia says the rod responds to these rarely kennings of political leaders self restraint. while to ron says that strikes were justified in self defense as