sally, i did for the gaza genocide. the test run this as a nation of palestine. steve negotiate to attacks on their radian diplomats and the killing of thousands and babies to a res iconic lebanese resistance need to has. and that's why the wind circle genocide. jo, how it goes terrace, now, presiding over millions, display skilled a wounded, mostly women and children right across this region. i'm drawing now from rome by alice to cook. you k, diplomat in full that you foreign policy chief advisor. he's a founder and director of the baby based conflicts for him and all of the resistance, the essence of the as the mist revolution. thank you so much alice, of joining us again. it's been a while, and that's happened in the year as you're on going underground. i think in the beginning of this year, you can see from the headlines. is there any one of go story? and that's a do by based a gulf. the news you run attacks that israel vfc, the japanese paper thing, israel steps up a tax on iran proxies as if they're all just their own proxies everywhere. i guess

1st your take on whether there is now there's no real us. the parents, they said the largest fleet uh the united states has in this area and then at least in the mediterranean, didn't seem to scare your own. you know, i think that was deaf. would have been a mistake. i don't think there's been a lot of talk about it wrong being frightened or scared or does to. it wasn't with us. in fact, it was a calculated decision. maybe or in the wrong, by the leadership of this. it would not want to cause a regional white will a big war in other words, in the region. so for all sorts of reasons, i mean not because they weren't particularly fright box it. they've been preparing for it for about 20 years. but simply because

a lot of this happening and very much aware of being very closely in touch with moscow. and as you know, the pregnant issue is really coming to a head to the moment. yes, and the most moments of crisis for the united states facing a major, major defeat of the us, the and the secondly, because the brick summit is coming up on the 25th of this month. and i think that both must go and turn around and of course beijing would like this to parcels. well, and at the substantial meeting with many new initiative, some of us to yeah, i mean i, i do want to get back to this region, but india is foreign minister jason cars width binds and i'm not sure whether anyone is with the bible, is able to in the white house and it goes to india has

a huge and international, lots of transport, cory door operation going, which iran is an important, essential part to the united states to understand what's happening in the brakes. and what will be discussed in cars on the tool or they're just signaling. look at all american interests in the region should activate against the threats of a run. just when india is doing a massive deal with a run, as is russia. and as is china i, i don't think that the moment there is much understanding of the middle east. i think most of them at least experts that were in state department and other places have been removed. they have been removed and we have it being run essentially by people who do not have much expertise in it. or if they have expertise like pay most cost time, it is rarely from the is really perspective problem from the united states

perspective. that's the us on boy, it was an idea for us. this is basically is rails man in the abiding cabinet a yes, he has a, he has an office in the white house. a he moved from state to buckland, where he did the, the modification negotiations with lebanon above maritime areas of exploration. and then he went into the white house with one secretary and the team and state department was dissolved as i understand it. so he sort of all brakes as a one man band, director of the white house. yeah, well, i want to explore whether it is incompetence or it is actually by design or given a but just briefly when it comes to the incompetent side of things. a rookie mistake by president possess scan will be wrong to come out with the bizarre statement that somehow he'd had ej assurances that restraint would be rewarded. restrain from iran would be rewarded in the light of the smile on the mud or in the

air on which we between the reward it was, was necessary, allows us as a nation. i mean basically basically, i suppose you could put it in those terms. but as it has been, the was sort of, there is politics involved and less than 10 are wrong. and i think that when, as ash county who doesn't have that sort of experience was made for president, he was pretty well captured to can we say buys a basically buys as a reef, cut to me sort of a crew in iraq. and so he did and to his embarrassment, he did believe assurance is that he was given a by you your appear on an american. both are see is that the would be

substantially relieve of sanctions for iran, and that would be a guaranteed c scar. and garza on times that would be acceptable to hum us. and as he said, it isn't a view of 2 words. they lied, none of it was true. um, so there's been a lot of anger in iran and a lot of soul searching soul searching because iran has been very careful and it's reactions. it is shown great self restraint, really dating back to the killing because of custom. so the money, but also off to the attack on the syrian on the consulate in syria and damascus, where it raining and generating was killed. at that point they did mitigate very much, was drones and miss house 5. but it was cafe orchestration

about alaska and who was a part of ministers that time off to it's both. and he said that you know what we call to get this right. i mean, in the sense that we are trying to be restraining and also a lot of this conflict to escalate into a wider war. but we've called to maintain the sort of sense of the terrace and we've got to maintain a sense of strength. so there is a been a lot of criticism. this is a restraint, much of the case it if you like, by that or a full missed wing. and the wrong has contributed to some extent playing but contributed perhaps to israel feeling and pod to be able to take out the whole of that has put a leadership including say to us on the throttle. and then to attack the level of

across the board. i mean, uh, from all sides of level of them, i mean, is riley suffering the soldier because a treat whereby they are dividing up their routes into sort of sectors. i'm telling people to evacuate one sector, a move to another sector. and then when they caught the, as i told to move back, because that sector is about to be attack. so there are more than the 1000000 displaced from the homes and the something a large number, i think 1500 killed them about 8000 injured. these are not as bullet people the so basically ordinary level needs that being said to be connected with as well. and of course we have the same the same justifications. oh, yes. um. has buller is hiding behind the people? he's using them as human shields in every house. there is they produce this fantastic idea of a sort of missile at b and b,

whereby lebanese was sort of keeping me solace in the homes and getting a small feed from his bullet for doing so. this is all nonsense complete nonsense because i was in lebanon in 2006, and before and often during the war. and even before the war, hezbollah took great effort to make sure of the one know up and saw o quit, indeed military assets that were anywhere near the level of these villages or cost . so they kept them quite away from it. so the idea of that, then now having this house in the attic and things is just a typical propaganda, but it has no no basis, but it's being used for the tax and the a tax r. as in garza intended to put pressure on the civilian lebanese population, imagining that back end to turn on on his book. in fact,

far more than in 2006 a leg up in these with just the usual exceptions that's come out to them supporting that. i'm with the, for our minister and the president. think, you know, we stand as while this is an attack on the 11th the system to attack on, on as bo, we are being attacked right up through the back car and across a level and, and, and very rude. so it's very different. but it's, um, yes, there is a very awful lot of criticism of iran and the wrong is having to look very hastily, you know, there is a real got it. i mean, you know, i don't want to make it sound so simplistic like you know, but it is, this is just contributed to it. i mean, those are ro dilemma. you can use self restraint if you like, in order to try and avoid going to abroad a will. that is in the interest of the run, the interest of

a rush. i see interest order of the region not to have a full i'll, i'll turn out will. but at the same time, the other side cause that i remember is that actually by too much. so for a strength, you end up ways. um, if you like escalation and you end up with a wall anyway, and sometimes you find the bike cell for a screen. i actually will comes to you even wherever you wanted to know. so the question was, and this is why i think we had this officer and it was the honest, as it came from the supreme national security council, i just remind viewers that possession who as i do all the publicity has no say in these decisions. this is not his field. foreign policy security policy lies in calling with the supreme national security council. and those of supreme lead up

the supreme leader makes the loss decision. most the press certainty is basically concerned with domestic administration of the state, but not with foreign policy. and not with security as the good cause stop you have more from the former adviser on middle east issues, the foreign policy chief, probably as a loaner after this break, the most of all americans today are on forces. joined our nato allies in air strikes against the serbian forces below. forgot village spread through us with them when we saw for we concluded, disregarding a flame please is, i mean, nation which is reinforced with the depleted uranium that has a special capacity to spend the tree pro my new car safety point of view. there is no radiological, the or even and nothing is significant consequences. the,

the symmetry seems endless. a real city of a dead where it's very easy to get lost. similar graveyards now exist in iraq and afghanistan. they may soon appear in ukraine with thousands of square kilometers of already being contaminated with deadly dust. for the next 4 and a half 1000000000 years, the, the plug it back to going underground. i'm still here with us decrypt for the british diplomat and founder and going director of the baby based conflicts for him, a house or in palm when you were talking to me about business getting not having a foreign policy control in iran. i mean, arguably,

i mean i lived in terra and he does have power to resign at any rate, but as regards and i should also add disregard spillway road trips to gauge to the side of the national security. that is true the true. so maybe he was power to it's, i don't know, but there's a lot of, i mean, it's a barely cruelty issue, but i just wanted to on the line. i mean, iran is not alone in the style. lemme which i did rush, i give them bad advice, reflected rush, cuz you have them bad advice. me sure. stood by me just to mention the day before as well. you know, russia has had had the same dilemma. and during the war in new grade, there been times where they've had setbacks reverse thoughts and they've had to stop them thing reassess and, and actually then they've been changes in the, in the senior military leadership in moscow. so, i mean, these things are not confined to iran, is the general opprobrium about this dilemma that, you know, if you act with restrain, it'll get written wrongly interpreted this weakness and actually bring the boy you

don't want onto you. that is the danger and so possessive jams is being much criticized for those comments that he made. and 4, in the sense, almost go behind the backups of the system to talk about them in with the americans and with the europeans. because he does not have a mandate to do that. he does not have that monday that lives with the security council a lot with him. and it was the supreme leader who would order if you liked the attack in retribution for the killing of neil. and it came from the tulsa full from the head of the security council. so i'm, there is a lot of sort of concern. i'm sure it will pause, but i think that's one of the reasons we have what we had uh the um, the recent missile attack in, in, in iran, as iran in israel,

as the ron wanted to recuperate. the sort of sense of the parents in the sense that they are serious and that also to show that they have the capability of some missile because of cost their restraint on the 13th of april. when may 5 miss house full was in top mess interpret completely as well. we'll just, you know, they were all knocked uh, 99 percent were knocked out by a us above bad defense systems. and so now they've had to demonstrate that actually israel's at defense systems on not very effective and that quite capable of landing ballistic missiles as the saw on target in israel in a very short notice. yeah, blanket idea of censorship at the moment of the impacts and the results of it. just some ripple. it's a tile of maze. we have 15 is we didn't have it in the f 35 that had to him

a base in israel have 35 that 15 and not a single is riley casualty. it'd be, is to be bought uh, as regards the sell for spring criticisms can be made that like that about certainly would've advantage over the libya to back left over, put in, allowing things to get to the stage. are they willing to hand stuff to them made on to and, and so forth. but is there a similar mistake being made by people who think that netanyahu is running the show here? i mean, we know by didn't said do minot can megan in 1982, he wouldn't care. level of 11 and civilians were killed, a was wisdom and can vague in the, in the atrocities and 1982 blinking off to october 7th. and he came to israel as a jew who was brought up of course, by a lawyer uncomfortable until the most ads robot maxwell is still a little money in britain from the pension fund. samuel piece us a piece are and i think is his name, des moines confident. and maxwell, is this

a plan? was this a, the genocide jo plans in the beginning? because then, so then jake sullivan of the national security council, the in the united states doesn't look so stupid load is blinking. that in your planning mazda strokes here, bringing the u. s, which always wanted to get involved. because clearly the us were involved in terms of the reaction to iran's retaliation using the destroys in the, in the red sea. and they're prepared for it. they're going forward. this was the plan all alone. it wasn't. i mean, i'm not, you only can say that about ukraine work to me. the dictators are lensky is losing, but this is the plan to exterminate god. well, i think it's higher. so i think for as for, for a long time, i mean the plan about garza and the pon about the west bank. and of course, destroying this bullet has been loading about for a long time. it is deeply entrenched in the israeli policy,

and of course, netanyahu came to congress and related to ross very clearly. he said he invited america to war games get wrong. so you, if you like the head of the octopus. uh that is strangling in israel and he said this is a war of civilization begins, bumper some so everyone knew that this was sort of in, in, in the works. now i think there are 2 elements to this that, you know, i don't blanket so directly because of the 1st really is that i think that they don't have good particularly, but most the other parts of the system. but certainly not, you know, as a, the congress is all both in, unless of course, the other parts the new cause of certainly all the dependent goal is getting increasingly worried about over extension. that america's getting over extended

ro, if you like, china is ramping up, the pressure is in the pacific. so they put it more another carrier in the field. but the pentagon wants to put more resources that. and it's still preoccupied with ukraine. and to have a wall pin with a ron and in the middle east, with all its american bases with all ex. um, uh, a few like exposure is stronger abilities i think was not so popular. and i think that's probably what made the pentagon. i actually vito's the idea from bread and from others, from a blinking to a permit, the craniums the fall. so miss solves deep into deep into rush over. that can be ok, that could change the, the moment of goes by the time this is the road i could have back to that can

happen, particularly in an election period. well, you know, a good i feel like political till he points are essential and appearing tough on pigeon is considered to be the sort of from talking point to, to make so to me for, for by who hadn't his team. but i'm just saying, i'm not sure, and i'm not sure at this moment if it's a good idea to have a wall where they are wrong and kinda because of the electoral prospect of the policy and bar in the united states. i mean, that's a very complicated domestic calculation, which depends on the so do you like the little composition of these 5 swain states and, you know, in some there are quite substantial numbers of muslims. they've lost them already. surely by now, with the pictures we've seen from guys and 11 and the m and

a nice area and there are things i, i think so, but i mean these 5 states, so very crucial. i mean the election, solano overall systems and they're trying to recuperate. but i mean, actually they're getting them digging that whole deeper and deeper with the statements that are being made. and it will be, uh how some last fall a is an iconic filter. there's been an iconic go. someone who has, you know, spend the low standing for national liberation and 2 colors. eliza, i mean to have been, you know, signs manifestations in kashmir, august of india, and across the middle east. venezuela and bertina verified that his last, you know, i do want to get uh is a time in the time limited to us. i just wanna say why is it wrong react using these traditional warfare means. i mean, it's a long time since carlos, the jackal,

was operating against the, the owners of israel as it were, the back as of israel. but where is the asymmetric warfare going? i only ask because if it is true that it was be just by design and that in fact, trump who was being fed that iran was behind as, as, as nation attempt. and if the bible in any cases sponsor to the genocide and cause, if that was if they had the powers behind it, rather than all this obsession in the progressive media are arguably against nothing yahoo a visit. the impetus now to attack the, the centers of power that the metropolitan powers, which are the senses of power, operating in west asia rather than using tel aviv it was, i think that the pressing festival. what you're saying is partially true, but the know who it has carried a lot of blame for what's happening and everything one says, well,

if he was lost power or something, everything would be right. i don't think that this is necessarily the correct perspective. because actually he has the support of a cabinet. he has enough support within that connects it to survive until the 26. and he's made it always made it clear. i think he gave a a and an interview in the seventy's to hastings. writing a book and he said, and the next for all being, well we will of take a girlfriend of expelled all of our skin in some arabs and i think between the river and the sea. so i mean, he's been part of this for a long, long time, and his father was a private sex rate to get the tense k. so he's a jump button ski revisionist, like most of the cabinet. and there is a majority of the israelis,

it was obvious when this government came into par. and we saw that the mrs. ra hate, the jews that come from north africa in the middle east. we're taking key positions . these were the people that the big in the broad festival into a one and then then too they, they cooled and this is great. they feel, i mean, you know, that program said it will. it was obvious some time ago. what was the program to establish and the israel on? yeah, i mean is the program i live, i live city and state is the program offensive, drinking actually blinking. so it's broken up by the kinds of people we haven't got that much time left. they are no sign it's we agree that both sides is i don't think there's no difference on that. and i'm saying that actually, i mean what that is, the question is big data collectively lead it into this? or did they just facilitate this as good as last night and you know who and they

haven't had, i mean to be no restraints put on this. the tool, so is it a question of passive permission given to you because you probably passed it because they're actively all they've signed another 9 busy and the other day 2 days before the 8th through the yes, there's nothing passive about it and straight down very quick very quickly and finally, very quickly, finally i should i actually went through this with you about brittany's role with rebecca, teary, based on the british prime minister saying he's all up left for it. and then, then denials that the you in theory, britain know a target for any resistance attack, should it become a symmetric and do a strategic and outside of west asia. julian hassan who gave us so much information with that. i suppose. i recall most importantly, babs at the moment, the memo from uh, jake sullivan to hillary clinton thing isis was on the media. us aside in syria,

as long as smoke for the 1st time about his torture at the council of your meeting this week. how far do you think his life is in danger away from all of these other here? big geostrategic topics. i mean, we did a lot of interviews with julian massage before his cafeteria and tortured by the british. of course i called tell, i mean i can give you a notice or to, to view, but i don't think it is in danger. no, i think he's done it. his dale way out to say he even knows that he was a journalist and did some things, but i think that's probably as much as one can tell the end of it. but i mean, who knows, i mean, those are the sort of the black areas of policy that you're not allowed to see. they all kept very much in the dark. i don't know, but i think i'm hopeful. anyways, he is. he's okay now as a drug. thank you,

and that's over the show. i'll continue condolences to those surviving u. k. u. s. you on violence here in the middle east will be back for more on washington's wall with a brand new episode on monday joined by the c. i is full and the kinds of territory of dr. michael sure. until end keeping jace bible as social media results sent to the new york country and i to a channel going on. he wants to be honorable dot com to let you know that besides of going underground see monday, the of the i think it will have chevy image shows the patient unix, but then you put the, well, i guess the coupled or i would appreciate it. but if you knew josh,

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