room for his revelations before decades on torture in his riley prison. the world today turns to the prospect of the use of those nuclear weapons by u. s. u k. u back to israel. this after a run, finally retaliated for the gaza genocide. the test run this as a nation of palestine chief negotiator attacks on the radian diplomats and the killing of thousands in bay ridge to a res iconic lebanese resistance need to pass on this route. i would circle genocide, jo, how it goes terrace, now, presiding over millions, display skilled a wounded, mostly women and children right across this region and join now from rome by alice to cook. you k, diplomat and full, they you foreign policy chief advisor. he's a founder and director of the baby based conflicts for him and all of their a resistance, the essence of the as the mist revolution. thank you so much. alice have adjoining it again. it's been a while a lot's happened in the era as you're on the going on the route. i think in the beginning of this year, you can see from the headlines. is there any one of course story, and that's

a do by based gulf. the news you run attacks that israel vfc, the japanese paper thing, israel steps up a tax on the wrong proxies as if they're all just their own proxies everywhere. i guess 1st your take on whether there is now there's no real us defendants. they said, the largest fleet, the united states has in this area and then at least in the mediterranean, didn't seem to scan your own. you know, i think that was done. would have been a mistake. i don't think there's been a lot of talk about it wrong being frightened or scared or dis todd, if it wasn't with us. in fact, it was a calculated decision, maybe or in the wrong, by the leadership. this, it would not want to cause a regional white wall big war in other words,

in the region. but for all sorts of reasons. i mean not because they were particularly fright box it. they've been preparing for it for about 20 years. but simply because a lot of this happening and a very much aware of being very closely in touch with most of those, you know, the pregnant issue is really coming to a head to the moment. this in the most moments of crisis for the united states facing a major, major defeat of the us, the and the secondly, because the brick summit is coming up on the 25th of this month. and i think that both must go and cut her arm and of course, but if she would like this to parcels, well and at the substantial meeting with many new initiative, some of us for yeah, i mean i,

i do want to get back to this region but india is foreign minister jason cars width binds and i mean, i'm not sure whether anyone is with the biden as it was in the white house. and it goes to india has a huge and international, lots of transport. cory door operation going, which iran is an important, essential part to the united states. understand what's happening in the brakes and what will be discussed in cars on the tool or that just signaling look, uh all american interests in the region should activate against the threats of a run. just when india is doing a massive deal with a ron. as is russia, and as is china, i, i don't think to the moment there is much understanding of the middle east. i think most of them, at least textbooks that were in state department and other places have been removed . they have been removed. we have

a being run essentially by people who do not have much expertise and board as they have expertise, like a most cold time. it is really from the is really perspective problem from a united states perspective. that's the us on boy. it was an idea for us us is basically is rails man in the abiding cabinet a yes he has or he has an office in the white house. a he moved from state to buckland, where he did the demarcation, negotiations with lebanon above maritime areas of exploration. and then he went into the white house with one secretary and the team and the state department was dissolved as i understand it. so he sort of operates as a one man band out to the white house. yeah, well, i want to explore whether it is incompetence or it is actually by design. i'll give it a but just briefly when it comes to the incompetent side of things,

a rookie mistake by president possess can, will be wrong to come out with the bizarre statement that somehow he'd had ej assurances that restraint would be rewarded. restrain from iran would be rewarded in the light of the smile on the mud or in tear on which we between the reward. it was, was not follows. as estimation. i mean, basically basically, i suppose you could put it in those terms. but as it has been, the was sort of, there is politics involved and less than 10 are wrong. and i think that when, as ash can, who doesn't have that sort of experience was made for president. he was pretty well captured to can we say buys a basically buys as i read some cut to me sort of a crew in, in iraq. and so he did. and to his

embarrassment, he did believe assurance is that he was given a by you your appear on an american. both are see is that the would be substantially relief of sanctions for it wrong. and that would be a guaranteed c scar. and garza on times that would be acceptable to hum us. and as he said, it is into view of 2 woods. they live. none of it was true. um, so this being a lot of anger in iran and a lot of soul searching soul searching because iran has being very castle and it's reactions it is shown great. so for strange, really dating back to the killing of cut some sort of money, but also off to the attack on the syrian on the consulate in syria and damascus,

where it radium generally was killed. but uh, at that point they did mitigate very much what drones and miss house 5, but it was costly orchestra to alaska and who was a foreign minister at that time off to it's both. and he said that, you know, what we call to get this right. i mean, in the sense that we are trying to be restraining and lost a lot of this conflict to escalates into a wider war. but we've called to maintain that sort of sense of deterrence. and we've got to maintain a sense of strength. so there is of been a lot of criticism to this restraint. much advocates, it if you like, by the reformist wing in the wrong has contributed to

some extent of play but contributed perhaps to israel's feeling. and part to be able to take out the whole loves it has been a leadership including said, house on the throttle. and then to attack the level of across the board. i mean uh from all sides of the level of them. i mean, is riley suffering. the soldier because a treat whereby they are dividing up their routes into sort of sectors. i'm telling people to evacuate one sector, a move to another sector. and then when they've called the, as i told to move back, because that sector is about to be attack. so there are more than the 1000000 displaced from the homes and the something a large number, i think 1500 killed and about 8000 injured. these are not his bullet people the so basically ordinary level needs. that being said to be connected with says paula. and of course, we have the same, the same justifications. oh,

yes. um. has buller as hiding behind the people? he's using them as human shields in every house. there is, they've produced this fantastic idea of a sort of missile at b and b, whereby lebanese was sort of keeping me solace in the homes. i'm getting a small fee from as bullet for doing so. this is all nonsense complete nonsense because i was in lebanon in 2006, and before and often during the war, and even before the war has put a to great effort to make sure the one know up and saw o quit in the military assets that were anywhere near the lebanese villages or cost, so they kept them wise away from it. so the idea that they know having this house in the attic and things is just a typical propaganda. but it has no no basis. but it's being used for the tax

and the a tax r, as in garza intended to put pressure on the civilian lebanese population. imagining that back end to turn on on his book, in fact, fall more than in 2006. the eliza bernice with just the usual exceptions. let's go monitor them. suppose that this and with the foreign minister and the president think, you know, we stand as while this is an attack on the 11th the system to attack on, on as bo, we are being attacked right up through the back car and across a level and, and didn't pay route, so it's very different. but yes, there is a very awful lot of criticism of iran and the wrong is having to look for a half a. you know, there is a real got it. i mean, you know, i don't want to make it sound so simplistic like you know, but it is that it has just contributed to it. i mean,

those are real dilemma. you can use self restraint if you like, in order to try and avoid going to abroad a will. that is in the interest. so they run the interest of a rush. i see interest the order of the region not to have a full i'll, i'll turn out war, but of the same to the other side cause that i remember it. is that actually by too much? so for a strength, you end up ways. um, if you like escalation and you end up with a wall anyway, and sometimes you find the bike cell for a screen. i actually will comes to you even wherever you wanted to know. so the question was, and this is why i think we had this officer and it was the honest, as it came from the supreme national security council. i just remind viewers that possession who has had a lot of publicity or has no say in these decisions. this is not his field for him

. the policy security policy lies in calling with the supreme national security council under those supremely that the supreme leader makes the laws decision most the press stuff. he's basically concerned with domestic administration of the state, but no with foreign policy and off with security. how's that work? i'll stop you back more from the former advisor on middle east issues. the foreign policy chief ivy as a loaner. after this break the

the plug it back to going underground. i'm still here with us. decrypt for the british diplomat and founder and going director of the baby based complex for him. a house during part one you were talking to me about possess cannot having a foreign policy control in there. right. i mean, arguably, i mean i lived in terra and he does have power to resign at any rate, but as regards and i should also add disregard, spare,

where we rotate suitcases to the side, the national security measures as a true. so maybe he was power to it's, i don't know, but there's a lot of, i mean, it's a fairly faulty issue, but i just wanted to on the line. i mean, iran is not alone in the style. lemme which i well did rush, i give them bad advice, reflected rush, cuz you have them bad advice, me sure. stood by me just to make sure the other day before as well. you know, russia has had had the same dilemma and during the war and the great, and there been times where they've had setbacks reverse thoughts. and they've had to stop and think, reassess and, and actually the been changes in the, in the senior military leadership in moscow. so, i mean, these things are not confined to iran, is the general problem about this dilemma that, you know, if you act with restrain, it'll get great, wrongly interpreted this weakness and actually bring the boy you don't want on to you. that is the danger. and so possessive jams is being much criticized for those

comments that he made, and for in the sense almost go behind the backups of the system to talk about them in with the americans and with the europeans. because he does not have a mandate to do that. he does not have that monday that lives with the security council a lot with him. and it was the supreme leader who had ordered, if you liked the attack in retribution for the killing of neil. and it came from the tall full from the head of the security council. so i'm, there is a lot of sort of concern. i'm sure it will pause, but i think that's one of the reasons we have what we had uh the um, the recent miss all attacked in, in, in iran, as iran in israel, as the iran wanted to recuperate. the sort of sense of the parents in the sense

that they are serious and that also to show that they have the capability of some missile because of course, their restraint on the 13th of april when they followed miss house full, was in type. misinterpret completely as well we'll just, you know, they were all knocked uh, 99 percent were knocked out by a us above that defense systems. and so now they've had to demonstrate that actually israel's ad defense systems on not very effective. i'm not quite capable of landing ballistic missiles as to saw on target in israel in a very short notice. yeah. blankets, idea, censorship at the moment of the impacts and the results of it. just some ripple is the tile of maze. we have 15 is we didn't have it in the f 35 and it had to him a base in israel have 35 that fifteens and not a single is riley casualty. it'd be is to be bought uh as regards the ssl for

spring criticism, it could be made that like that about certainly would've. i'm advantage over the libya debacle over put in allowing things to get to the stage. are they willing to hand stuff to them made on to and, and so forth. but is there a similar mistake being made by people who think that netanyahu is running the show here? i mean, we know biden said to minot, can megan in 1982. he wouldn't, a careful of 11 and civilians were killed, a was wisdom and i can beg in the, in the atrocities and 1982 blinking off to october 7th. so he came to israel is a jew who was brought up, of course, by a lawyer and comfy, don't to the most ads robot maxwell, who stole the money in britain from the pension fund of samuel piece us a piece are. and i think is his name doing confident. and maxwell, is this a plan? was this a, a genocide jo plans in the beginning? because then, so then jake sullivan of the national security council,

the in the united states doesn't look so stupid. mode is blinking. then your playing mazda strokes here, bringing the u. s, which always wanted to get involved because clearly the us were involved in terms of the reaction to iran's retaliation using the destroys in the, in the red sea. and they're prepared for it that going forward. this was the plan all alone. it wasn't. i mean, i'm not, you only can say that about ukraine work. the heavy, the dictators are lensky is losing, but this is the plan to exterminate costs. i think it's higher. so i think for is for, for a long time, i mean the plan about garza and the pon about the west bank. and of course, destroying this bullet has been known about for a long time. it is deeply entrenched in the israeli policy, and of course, netanyahu came to congress and related to ross very clearly he said in vice here to

america, to a war against the wrong. so you, if you like the head of the octopus. uh that is strangling in israel and he said this is laura civilization against bumper some so everyone knew that this was sort of in, in, in the works. now i think there are 2 elements to this that, you know, i don't think it's so directly because of the 1st really, is that i think the, the, i don't think good particularly, but most the other parts of the system, but certainly not mostly the congress is all boys in unless of course, the other parts the new cause of certainly all the pentagon is getting increasingly worried about over extension of the americas getting overextend. bro, if you like, china is ramping up the pressure some in the pacific,

and they've got it more of a carrier in the field. but the pentagon wants to put more resources that. and it's still preoccupied with ukraine. and to have a wall pin with a ron allen in the middle east, with all its american bases with all ex. um, uh, a few like exposure its fall and her abilities, or i think it was not so popular. and i think that's probably what made the pentagon. i actually vito's the idea from bread and from others from a blinking to a permit, the craniums the fall. so miss solves deep into the deep into rush, although that can be changed. that could change the, the moment of goes by the time does the road i could have back to that can happen, particularly in an election period where uh, you know, uh good,

i feel like political till he point saw, are essential and appearing tough on pigeon is considered to be the sort of from talking point to, to make so it makes people feel by having his team. but i'm just saying, i'm not sure. and i'm not sure at this moment if it's a good idea to have a wall where they are wrong and kinda because of the electoral prospect of the policy and bar in the united states. i mean, that's a very complicated domestic calculation, which depends on the so do you like the little composition of these 5 swain states and, you know, in some there are quite substantial numbers of muslims. they belong to them already . surely by now, with the pictures we've seen from guys and 11 and the m and a nice area and there are things i, i think so, but i mean these 5 states,

so very crucial. i mean the election, solano overall systems and the trying to recuperate. but i mean, actually they're getting them digging that whole deeper and deeper with the statements that are being made and, you know, be, uh how some last fall a is an iconic figure. there's been an iconic of someone who has, you know, spend the low standing for national liberation and to come, ellis, i used to have been, you know, signs manifestations in cash, me a august of india and across the middle east, venezuela in bertina, verified that is loss you know, i do want to get to actually go is a time in the time limited to us. i just want to say, why is it iran react using these traditional warfare means? i mean, it's a long time since carlos, the jackal was operating against the, the owners of israel as it were,

the back as of israel. where's the asymmetric warfare going? i only ask because if it is true that it was be just by design and that in fact, trump, who's being fed, that iran was behind his assassination attempt. and if the bible in any case as a sponsor to the genocide and cause, if that was if they had the powers behind it, rather than all this obsession in the progressive media are arguably against nothing. yahoo! it isn't the impetus now to attack the defense has a power that the metropolitan powers which are the senses of power operating in west asia rather than using tel aviv it was. i think that the pressing festival. what you're saying is partially true, but the net who it has carried a lot of blame for what's happening. and every day one says, well, if he was lost power or something, everything would be right. i don't think that this is necessarily the correct

perspective. because actually he has the support of a cabinet. he has enough support with in the capacity to survive until the 26. and he's made it always made it clear. i think he gave a, a, in an interview in the seventy's to hastings, the pricing a book. and he said in the next full bullying, well we will of take go to the end of expelled all of our skin in some arabs. and i think between the river and the sea. so i mean, he's been part of this for a long, long time. and his father was a private sex rate to get the tense k. so he's a jump button ski revision is like most of the cabinet. and there is a majority of the trainings, it was obvious when this government came into par. and we saw the mizrahi,

the jews that come from north africa and the middle east would taking keep positions. these were the people that the big in the broad festival into a one and then into a cold. and this is great. they feel, i mean, you know, that program said it will. it was obvious some time ago, what was the program to establish and the israel on? yeah, i mean is the program or a life? how is it indian state is the program of entity blinking, blinking. so it's broken up by the kinds of people we haven't got that much time left. they all know assignments. we agree that by assign that's i don't think there's no difference on that. and i'm say that actually, i mean what that is, the question is, did they collectively lead it into this, or did they just facilitate fits as it, as a lot of the met him. yeah. who and the cabinet. i mean to be no restraints put on

is the tool. so is it a question of passive permission given the past is because they're actively all they've signed another 9 busy and the other day 2 days before the 8th through the yes, there's nothing passive about it. and straight down very quick, very quickly. and finally, very quickly. finally, um, i should, i actually went through this with you about brittany's role with rebecca theory based on the british prime minister thing. he's all up left for it. and then, then denials that the you in the daily britain know a target for any resistance attack, should it become a symmetric and do strategic and outside of west asia. julian assigned you gave us so much information. uh, with that i suppose. i recall most importantly, pads at the moment, the memo from uh, jake sullivan's hillary clinton saying isis was on the media, us aside in syria as long as smoke for the 1st time about his torture and the counsel of your meeting this week. how far do you think his life is in danger away

from all of these other here? big geostrategic topics. i mean, we did a lot of interviews with julian massage before his cafeteria to and torture by the british, of course. but i can tell, i mean, i can give you a notice or 2 to view, but i don't think it is in danger. no, i think he's done it. his deal way out to say he knows that he was a journalist and did some things, but i think that's probably as much as long can tell the end of it. but i mean, who knows, i mean, those are the sort of the black areas of policy that you're not allowed to see. they all kept very much in the dark. i don't know, but i think i'm hopeful. anyways, he is. he's okay now as a drug. thank you, and that's of, of the show of continued condolences to those surviving u. k. u. s. u on violence here in the middle east will be back for more on

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