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use of those nuclear weapons by u. s. u k. u back to israel. this after a run, finally retaliated for the gaza genocide. the test run this as a nation of palestine chief negotiator attacks on their radian diplomats and the killing of thousands in bay ridge to a res iconic lebanese resistance need to pass on this route. i would circle genocide, jo, how it goes tyra's, now, presiding over millions, display skilled a wounded, mostly women and children right across this region. i'm drawing now from rome by alice to cook. you k, diplomat in full that you foreign policy chief advisor. he's a founder and director of the baby base complex for him and all of the resistance, the essence of the as the mist revolution. thank you so much alice, of joining us again. it's been a while, and that's happened in the year as you're on the going underground lighting at the beginning of this year. you can see from the headlines, there's only one of course story. and that's a do by based a gulf news. you run attacks that israel vfc the japanese paper thing. israel steps

up a tax on the wrong proxies as if they're all just their own proxies everywhere. i guess 1st your take on whether there is now there's no real us. the parents, they said the largest fleet the united states has in this area and the lease in the mediterranean didn't seem to scare you wrong. no, i think that was deaf. would have been a mistake. i don't think there's been a lot of talk about it wrong being frightened or scared or does to it boss invests . in fact, it was a calculated decision maybe or in the wrong, by the leadership. this, it would not want to cause a regional white will big war in other words, in the region. but for all sorts of reasons, i mean not because they were particularly fright,

the budget. they've been preparing for it for about 20 years. but simply because a lot of this happening and the very much aware of being very close to be in touch with most of i am as you know, the payment issue is ready coming to ahead of the moment. yes. and the most moment of crisis for the united states facing a major, major defeat of the us, the and the secondly, because the brick summit is coming up on the 25th of this month. and i think that both the most go and cut her arm, and of course, basing would like this to parcels. well, and a to be a substantial meeting with many new initiatives and honest. yeah, i mean i, i do want to get back to this region, but india is foreign minister j. sean cause width binds and i mean,

i'm not sure whether anyone is with the bible is it was in the white house and it goes to india. has a huge and international, lots of transport. cory door operation going, which iran is an important, essential part to the united states to understand what's happening in the brakes, and what will be discussed in cars on the tool or they're just signaling. look, uh, all american interests in the region should activate against the threat of a run just when india is doing a massive deal with a run, as is russia. and as is china i, i don't think that the moment there is much understanding of the middle east. i think most of the middle east experts that were in the state department and other places have been removed. they have been removed and we have a being run essentially by people who do not have much expertise in it.

or if they have the expertise like pay most cost time, it is really from the is really perspective problem from the united states perspective. that's the u. s. envoy. it was an idea that's us, is basically use rails man in the abiding cabinet. yes, he has, or he has an office in the white house. a he moved from state to buckland, where he did the demarcation negotiations with lebanon, about maritime various of expiration. and then he went into the white house with one secretary, and the team and the state department was dissolved as i understand it. so he sort of operates as a one man band out to the white house. yeah, well, i want to explore whether it is incompetence or it is actually by design. i'll give it a but just briefly of when it comes to the incompetent side of things, a rookie mistake by president possess scan of iran to come out with the bizarre statement that somehow he'd had ej assurances that restraint would be rewarded.

restraint from iran would be rewarded in the light of the smile on the mud or in the tear on which we, which we had the reward of course was necessary, allows us estimation. i mean basically basically i suppose you will put it in those terms. but as it has been, the was sort of there is politics involved and less than 10 are wrong. and i think that um, when, as ash can, who doesn't have that sort of experience was made for president. he was pretty well captured to can we say buys a basically buys as i read some cut to me sort of a crew and in iraq. and so he did. and to his embarrassment, he did believe assurance is that he was given

a by you your appear on an american. both are seized the, the would be substantially relief of sanctions for iran and the would be a guaranteed c star and garza on times that would be acceptable to hum us. and as he said, it is into view of 2 words. they lied. none of it was true. um, so this being a lot of anger in iran and a lot of soul searching soul searching because iran has been very careful and it's reactions. it is shown great self restraint. really dating back to the killing of cut some sort of money, but also off to the attack on the syrian on the consulate in syria and damascus, where it raining and generally was killed. but uh,

at that point they did mitigate very much what drones and miss house 5, but it was costly orchestra and of the lot here and who was a for a minister that time off to it's both. and he said that, you know, what we call to get this right. i mean, in the sense that we are trying to be restraining and lost a lot of this conflict to escalates into a wider war. but we've called to maintain that sort of sense of deterrence. and we've got to maintain a sense of strength. so there is of been a lot of criticism. this is a restraint, much advocated if you like, by the reformist wing and the wrong has contributed to some extent of play but contributed perhaps, to israel's feeling. and todd to be able to take out the whole of that has been

a leadership including say to us on the throttle and then to attack the level of across the board. i mean, uh from all sides of the level, and i mean is really suffering the sort of because a treat whereby they are dividing up their routes into sort of sectors and telling people to evacuate one sector, a move to another sector. and then when they caught the, as i told to move back, because that sector is about to be attack. so there are more than the 1000000 displaced from the homes and the something a large number, i think 1500 killed them about 8000 injured. but these are not as bullet people the so basically ordinary lebanese that being said to be connected with, says paula. and of course we have the same, the same justifications. oh, yes. um. has buller is hiding behind the people?

he's using them as human shields in every house. there is they produce this fantastic idea of a sort of missile at b and b, whereby lebanese was sort of keeping me solace in the homes. i'm getting a small feed from his bullet for doing so. this is all nonsense complete nonsense because i was in lebanon in 2006, and before and often during the war, and even before the war has put a to great effort to make sure the one know up and saw o quit, indeed military assets that were anywhere near the level of these religions or cost . so they kept them quite a way of moment. so the idea that they know having this house in the attic and things is just a typical propaganda. but it has no no basis. but it's being used for the tax and the tax r, as in garza intended to put pressure on the civilian life in these population.

imagining that back end to turn on on his book, in fact, fall more than in 2006. well, let's have a nice with just the usual exceptions. let's go monitor them. suppose that, that i'm with the, for our minister and the president think, you know, we stand as while this is an attack on the 11th the system to attack on, on as bo, we are being attacked right up through the back car and across a level and and didn't pay a route, so it's very different. but yes, there is a very awful lot of criticism of iran and the wrong is having to look very hastily, you know, there is a real guy that, i mean, you know, i don't want to make it sound so simplistic like you know, but it is. this is just contributed to, i mean those are ro dilemma. you can use self restraint if you like,

in order to try and avoid going to abroad a will. that is, in the interest they run the interest of russia as the interest of or the region not to have a full of ultra now war. but at the same time, the other side cause that i remember it, is it actually by too much self restraint? you end up ways um if you like escalation and you end up with a rule anyway, and sometimes you find the bike cell for scream. i actually will comes to you even whether you wanted to know. so the question was, and this is why i think we had this officer and it was the honest, as it came from the supreme national security council. i just remind viewers that possession who has had a lot of publicity or has no say in these decisions. this is not his feel for him. the policy security policy lies in calling with the supreme national security

council under the supremely, that the supreme leave that makes the laws decision. most the press stuck is basically concerned with domestic administration of the state, but not with foreign policy and off with security. how's that work? i'll stop you back more from the former advisor on middle east issues. the foreign policy chief ivy as a loaner. after this break the book and back to going undergoing i'm still here with us decrypt for the british diplomat and founder and going director of the baby based conflicts for him. how starting part one, you were talking to me about this yesterday and not having

a foreign policy controlled in iran. i mean, now give me, i mean i lived in terra and he does have power to resign at any rate, but as regards and i should also add, as regards to what he wrote, chest to gauge as to how, sorry, the national security of his teachers as a true so maybe he was power to it's, i don't know, but there's a lot of, i mean it's a fairly faulty issue, but i just want to underline, i mean it, ron is not alone in the style. lemme which i well did rush, i give them bad advice, reflected rush, i give them bad advice. me sure. stood by me just to make sure you know the day before as well. you know, russia has had had the same dilemma and during the war and the great, and there been times where they've had setbacks reverse thoughts. and they've had to stop and think, reassess and, and actually the been changes in the, in the senior military leadership in moscow. so, i mean, these things are not confined to iran, is the general opprobrium about this dilemma that, you know, if you act with restrain,

it'll get written wrongly interpreted this weakness and actually bring the boy you don't want onto you. that is the danger and so possessed jams as being much criticized for those comments that he made. and 4, in the sense, almost go behind the back of the system to talk about them in the, with the americans and with the europeans. because he does not have a mandate to do that. he does not have that monday that lives with the security council a lot with him. and it was the supreme leader who had ordered, if you liked the attack in retribution for the killing of a male. and it came from the tulsa full from the head of the security council. so i'm, there is a lot of sort of concern. i'm sure it will pause, but i think that's one of the reasons we have what we had uh the um, the recent miss all attacked in, in, in iran, as iran, in israel,

as the ron wanted to recuperate. the sort of sense of to tyrants a sense that they are serious and that also to show that they have that capability and so miss all because of cost their restraint on the 13th of april when they followed miss house full, was in type. misinterpret completely as well we'll just, you know, they will no doubt 99 percent were knocked out by a us above that defense systems. and so now they've had to demonstrate that actually is wells at defense systems on not very effective. i'm not quite capable of blinding ballistic missiles. i was to saw on target in israel in a very short notice. yeah, blanket idea of censorship at the moment of the impacts and the results of it. just some ripple is the tile of maze. we have 15 is we didn't have it in the f 35 that

had to him a base in israel have 35 that 15 and not a single is riley casualty. it'd be, is to be bought uh, as regards the silver spring criticisms can be made that like that about certainly would've, i'm advantage over the libya debach law over put in allowing things to get to the stage. are they willing to hand stuff to them made on to and, and so forth. but is there a similar mistake being made by people who think that netanyahu is running the show here? i mean, we know biden said to minot, can megan in 1982. he wouldn't, a careful of 11 and civilians were killed, a was wisdom and i can beg in the, in the atrocities in 1982 blinking off to october 7th. and he came to, as well as a jew who was brought up, of course, by a lawyer and confidant of the most ads robot maxwell, who stole the money in britain from the pension fund of samuel piece us a piece are. and i think is his name doing confident. and maxwell, is this a plan?

was this a jealous hydro plans in the beginning? because then, so then jake sullivan of the national security council, the in the united states doesn't look so stupid mode is blinking. that in your playing mazda strokes here, bringing the u. s. which always wanted to get involved. because clearly the us were involved in terms of the reaction to iran's retaliation using the destroys in the, in the red sea. and they're prepared for it that going forward. this was the plan all alone. it wasn't. i mean, i'm not, you only can say that about ukraine work to me. the dictators are lensky is losing, but this is the plan to exterminate god. well, i think it's higher. so i think for as for, for a long time, i mean the plan about garza and the pon about the west bank. and of course, destroying this bullet has been known about for a long time. it is deeply entrenched in the israeli policy. and of

course now who came to congress and related to rob? very clearly, he said in vice here to america, to a war against the wrong. so you, if you like the head of the octopus. uh, that is strangling in israel. and he said this is a war of civilization against bumper some. so everyone knew that this was sort of in, in, in the works. now i think there are 2 elements to this that, you know, i don't think it's so directly because of the 1st really, is that i think the, the, i don't think a, particularly the most, the other parts of the system. but certainly not, you know, as a, the congress is old both in, unless, of course, and other parts to a new cause of certainly all the dependent only is getting increasingly worried

about over extension in the americas getting overextend. bro, if you like, china is ramping up the pressure some in the pacific. so they put it more of a carrier in the field. but the pentagon wants to put more resources that. and it's still preoccupied with ukraine. and to have a wall pin with a ron and in the middle east, with all its american bases with all its, um, uh, a few like exposure as far as her abilities, i think was not so popular. and i think that's probably what made the pentagon. i actually vito's the idea from bread and from others, from a blinking to a permit, the craniums the fall. so miss solves deep into the deep into rush, although that could be okay. that could change the,

the moment of goes by the time this is broad. i could have back to that can happen, particularly in an election period. well, you know, a good, i feel like political till he point saw, are essential and appearing tough on pigeon is considered to be the sort of from talking point to, to make. so to me for, for by who having his team. but i'm just saying, i'm not sure. and i'm not sure at this moment if it's a good idea to have a wall with the wrong in terms of the electoral prospect of the policy and bar in the united states. i mean, that's a very complicated domestic calculation which depends on the soul. do you like the little composition of these 5 swain states and, you know, in some there are quite substantial numbers of muslims. they belong to them already . surely by now, with the pictures we've seen from gaza and 11 and the m and

a nice area. and there are things i, i think so, but i mean these 5 states, so very crucial. i mean the election. so one or last in this and the trying to recuperate. but i mean, actually they're getting the, digging that whole deeper and deeper with the statements that are being made and going to be a how some last fall, a is an iconic figure. there's been an iconic figure to someone who has, you know, spend the low standing for national liberation and 2 colors ellis. i mean, to been, you know, signs manifestations in kashmir, august of india and across the middle east, venezuela. and, but came to verify that is last, you know, i do want to get to actually go is a time in the time limited to us. i just want to say, why is it iran react using these traditional warfare means?

i mean it's a long time since carlos, the jackal was operating against the, the owners of israel as it were, the back as of israel. where's the asymmetric warfare going? i only ask because if it is true that it was be just by design and that in fact, trump, who's being fed, that iran was behind his assassination attempt. and if the bible in any case has a sponsor to be genocide and cause if that was, if they had the powers behind it, rather than all this obsession in the progressive media are arguably against that. and yahoo! he is the impetus now to attack the, the senses of power, the, the metropolitan powers which are the senses of power, operating in west asia rather than using tel aviv as well. i think them the pressing festival. what you're saying is partially true, but the net, you know, who it has carried

a lot of blame for what's happening. and every day one says, well, if he was lost power or something, everything would be right. i don't think that this is necessarily the correct perspective because actually he has the support of a cabinet. he has a lot of support within the capacity to survive until the 26. and he's made it always made it clear. i think he gave a, a, in an interview in the seventy's to hastings writing a book. and he said, and the next for all being, well we will of take a girlfriend of expelled all of our skin in some arabs. and i think between the river and the sea. so i mean, he's been part of this for a long, long time. and his father was a private sex rate to get the tense k. so he's a jump button ski revision this mike, most of the cabinet and there is

a majority of the it's really is it was obvious when this government came into the and we saw the mizrahi, the jews that come from north africa in the middle east. we're taking keep positions. these were the people that the big in the broad festival into a one. and then then tuesday, they cooled. and this is great. they feel, i mean, you know, that program said it will. it was obvious some time ago. what was the program to establish and the israel on? yeah, i mean is the program or a life? how is it indian state is the program offensive? think actually blinking was brought up by the kinds of people we haven't got that much time left. they all know assignments, we agreed that by son that's i don't think there's no difference on that. and i'm say that actually, i mean what that is, the question is did they collectively lead it into this?

or did they just facilitate fits as it has a lot of the met him. yeah. who and then having to, i mean to be no restraints put on it's not a tool. so is it a question of passive permission given the past is because they're actively all they've signed another 9 busy and the other day 2 days before the 8th through the yeah, there's nothing passive about it and straight down very quick very quickly. and finally, very quickly, finally, um i should, i actually went through this with you about brittany's role with rebecca, teary, based on the british prime minister thing. he's all up left for it. and then, then denials at the you in the daily britain know a target for any resistance attack, should it become a symmetric and do a strategic and outside of west asia. julian hassan who gave us so much information with that. i suppose. i recall most importantly, babs at the moment, the memo from uh, jake sullivan's hillary clinton saying isis was on the media,

us aside in syria as long as smoke for the 1st time about his torture and the counsel of your meeting this week. how far do you think his life is in danger away from all of these other big geostrategic topics? i mean, we did a lot of interviews with julian massage before his cafeteria to and torture by the british, of course. but i can tell, i mean, i can give you a notice or 2 to view, but i don't think it is in danger. no, i think he's done it. his deal way out to say he knows that he was a journalist and did some things, but i think that's probably as much as long can tell the end of it. but i mean, who knows, i mean, those are the sort of the black areas of policy that you are not allowed to see. they all kept very much in the dog. i don't know, but i think i'm hopeful, anyways, he is. he's okay now as a drug,

thank you and that's over the show. i'll continued condolences to those surviving u. k. you as you on violence here in the middle east, we will be back for more on washington's wall with a brand new episode on monday, joined by the sea ice form accounts of territory. if dr. michael sure, until end keeping jace bible as social media. if it's on sent to the whole country and i to a channel going on, want to keep you hon, they'll come to us from you and all that besides of going underground semen, the, the, the gym. and so just deal with the, with the window taking the picture, they were proud of the muscle by the way, to go in your mouth settings menu up into their know that he got carry away. or i.

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conference and that way have not been support you've called. so what has been happening here? it will open the ponder as box the next thing it will be them. both then also have to pay the explosion shake favorites. uh, israel continues its foaming campaign on ground invasion, ultimate lab, and on the best buy to focus on its nor their neighbor ideas, bombardments of gaza. and the west point continues or to reports from the moving funeral of an entire family, including 2 children of whiteside all day long in the world. when they started flying off, i almost died from fear i started cooling out for my daughters. the girls were inside the room, but there was no sound from them. they were lying inside and i couldn't recognize them. they were.