down with such an dip, not just a crook to get his thoughts on them, at least crisis. with so much experience, he's always been something interesting to say. so just to grab the mask sooner time. see and welcome back to going, undergoing broke of single run the world from the u. a. in the heart of the middle east on the day 38 years ago, the world did confirmation of these rails may be 200 nuclear weapons. good to see the usa about types of africa. and one of the hollywood store film produces israel has to this day no, come clean. the new k, a whistle blower motor car avenue new would be honey draft and kid up from london

by room for his revelations before decades, long torture and in his riley prison. the world today turns to the prospect of the use of those nuclear weapons by u. s. u k e u back to israel. this after a run, finally retaliated for the gaza genocide. the test run this as a nation of how those kinds chief negotiator attacks on their radian diplomats and the killing of thousands and babies to a res iconic, lebanese resistance. neither has i less router would circle genocide, jo. all the cause towers, not presiding over millions, display skilled a wounded, mostly women and children right across this region. i'm joined now from rome by alice to cook. you k, diplomat and full. they you foreign policy chief advisor. he's a founder and director of the baby based complex for him and all of their a resistance, the essence of the as a mist revolution. thank you so much alice of joining us again. it's been a while. lots happened in the year. have you on going on the route? i think at the beginning of this year, you can see from the headlines. is there any one of course story and that's the do

by based gulf, the news you run attacks a israel vfc the japanese paper thing. israel steps up a tax on the wrong proxies as if they're all just their own proxies everywhere. i guess 1st your take on whether there is now there's no real us defendants. they've had the largest fleet. the united states has, in this scenario in the lease in the mediterranean, didn't seem to scare you wrong. no, i think that was deaf. would have been a mistake. i don't think there's been a lot of talk about it wrong being frightened or scared or does to it boss invests . in fact, it was a calculated decision maybe or in the wrong by the leadership this, it would not want to cause a regional white role. big war, in other words, in the region,

but for all sorts of reasons, i mean not because they were particularly fright box it, they've been preparing for it for about 20 years. but simply because a lot of this happening and the very much aware of being very closely in touch with most of as you know, the, the payment issue is already coming to a head at the moment. is the most moment of crisis for the united states facing a major, major defeat of the us, the and the secondly, because the brick summit is coming up on the 25th of this month. and i think that both the most go around and of course, basing would likes us to parcel well and at the substantial meeting with many new initiatives and honest. yeah, i mean i,

i do want to get back to this region, but india is foreign minister, j shrunk, it was width binds, and i mean, i'm not sure whether anyone is with the bible, is it was in the white house and it goes to india. has a huge and international, lots of transport, cory door operation going, which iran is an important, essential part to the united states to understand what's happening in the brakes. and what will be discussed in cars on the tool or they're just signaling. look at all american interests in the region should activate against the threats of a run just when india is doing a massive deal with a run, as is russia. and as is china i, i don't think that the moment there is much understanding of the middle east. i think most of the middle east textbooks that were in the state department and other places have been removed. they have been removed and we have

a being run essentially by people who do not have much expertise in the board as they have expertise like pay most cost time. it is really from the is really perspective problem from a united states perspective. that's the us ongoing, it was an idea for us. this is basically as rails man in the abiding cabinet. yes, he has her, he has an office in the white house. a he moved from state to buckland, where he did the demarcation negotiations with lebanon above maritime areas of exploration. and then he went into the white house with one secretary and the team and the state department was dissolved as i understand it. so he sort of operates as a one man band, director of the white house. yeah, well, i want to explore whether it is incompetence or it is actually by design. i'll give it a but just briefly when it comes to the incompetent side of things,

a rookie mistake by president possess scan of iran to come out with the bizarre statement that somehow he'd had ej assurances that restraint would be rewarded. restrain from the wrong would be rewarded in the light of the smile on the mud or in the air on which we between had the reward. it was, was natural as estimation. so, i mean basically basically i suppose you put it in those terms, but as it has been, the was sort of there is politics involved in less than 10 wrong. and i think that when, as ash can, who doesn't have that sort of experience was made for president. he was pretty well captured to can we say buys a basically buys as a reef, cut to me sort of a crew and in iraq. and so he did

and to his embarrassment, he did believe assurances that he was given a by you your appear on an american or far as he is that the would be substantial relief of sanctions for iran. and that would be a guaranteed c scar. and garza on times that would be acceptable to hum us. and as he said, it isn't a view of 2 words. they lied, none of it was true. and so there's been a lot of anger in iran and a lot of soul searching soul searching because iran has been very careful and it's reactions, it is shown great. so for strange, really dating back to the killing because of custom. so the money, but also off to the attack on the syrian on the consulate in syria and damascus,

where it raining and generally was killed i at that point they did mitigate very much what, uh, drones and miss house 5. but it was cafe orchestration about alaska, and who was the foreign minister of that time off to what spoken. he said, do you know what we call to get this? right? i mean, in the sense that we are trying to be restraining and also allows us conflict to escalate into a wider war. but we've called to maintain the sort of sense of the terrace and we've got to maintain a sense of strength. so there is of been a lot of criticism. this is a restraint, much advocate it if you like, by that or a full mist we've been doing wrong, has contributed to some extent of play,

but contributed perhaps to israel feeling and pod to be able to take out the whole of that has bought a leadership including said, house on the throttle and then to attack the level of across the board. i mean, uh from all sides of level of them. i mean, is riley suffering the soldier because a treat whereby they are dividing up their routes into sort of sectors. i'm telling people to evacuate one sector, move to another sector, and then when they've caught the, as i told to move back, because that sector is about to be attack. so there are more than the 1000000 displaced from the homes and the something a large number, i think 1500 killed them about 8000 injured. these are not as bullet people the so basically ordinary level needs. that being said to be connected with as well. and of course, we have the same, the same justifications. oh,

yes. um. has buller is hiding behind the people. he's using them as human shields in every house. there is, they've produced this fantastic idea of a sort of missile at b and b, whereby lebanese was sort of keeping me solace in the homes and getting a small fee from his bullet for doing so. this is all nonsense complete nonsense because i was in lebanon in 2006, and before and often during the war. and even before the war, hezbollah took great effort to make sure of the one no weapon saw o it, indeed military assets that were anywhere near the level of these villages or cost . so they kept them quite away from it. so the idea that they know having this house in the attic and things is just a typical propaganda, but it has no no basis,

but it's being used for the tax and the a tax r. as in garza intended to put pressure on the civilian lebanese population, imagining that back end to turn on on his book, in fact, fall more than in 2006, a lebanese with just the usual exceptions of come out to them supported. and with the, for our minister and the president think, you know, we stand as while this is an attack on the 11th the system to attack on, on as bo, we are being attacked right up through the back car and across the 11 and, and didn't pay a route, so it's very different. but yes, there is a very awful lot of criticism of iran and the wrong is having to look for a half a. you know, there is a real got it. i mean, you know, i don't want to make it sound so simplistic like you know, but it is,

this is jessica contributed to it. i mean, those are ro dilemma. you can use self restraint if you like, in order to try and avoid going to a broder will. that is in the interest of the run, the interest of a rush, or i see interest, the order of the region not to have a full. i'll, i'll turn out will, but at the same time, the other side cause that die. lemme, is that actually by too much. so for a strength, you end up ways. um, if you like escalation and you end up with a whole anyway. and sometimes you find the bike cell for a screen that actually will comes to you even whether you wanted to know. so the question was, and this is why i think we had this officer and it was the honest, as it came from the supreme national security council. just to remind you is that possession who has had

a lot of publicity or has no say in these decisions. this is not his field for him policies, security policy lies and calling with the supreme the national security council under the supremely that the supreme leader makes the last decision most the press since he is basically concerned with domestic administration of the state, but not with foreign policy and off with security as the good cause. stop you about more from the former advisor on me least issues. the foreign policy chief ivy is longer up. those break the the, what is part of the,

the employee would post good isn't the defense you of us and that in the word part, is it something deeper, more complex might be present. let's stop without glitches. let's go out of the plug it back to going, undergoing i'm still here with us. decrypt for the british diplomat and founder and going director of the baby based conflicts for him. how starting part one. you were talking to me about this yesterday and not having a foreign policy control in there on, i mean now give me, i mean, i lived in terra and he does have power to resign at any rate, but as regards and i should also add, as regards to what we really try to gauge to well, the side of the national security terms, the true. so maybe he was power to it's, i don't know, but there's a lot of, i mean it's, i barely pro tissue,

but i just wonder on the line. i mean, they run is not alone in the style. lemme which i well did rush to give them bad advice effected rush, give them bad advice. me sure. stood by me just to make sure you know the day before as well. you know, russia has had had the same dilemma and during the war in new great, and there will be times where they've had setbacks reverse thoughts. and they've had to stop them. thing can reassess and, and actually the been changes in the, in the senior military leadership in moscow. so, i mean, these things are not confined to iran, is the general opprobrium about this dilemma that, you know, if you act with restrain, it'll get written wrongly interpreted this weakness and actually bring the boy you don't want on to you. that is the danger. and so possess cams as being much criticized for those comments that he made. and 4, in the sense, almost go behind the backup of the system to talk about them in with the americans

and with the europeans. because he does not have a mandate to do that. he does not have that monday that lives with the security council a lot with him. and it was the supreme leader who would order if you liked the attack in retribution for the killing of neil. and they came from the tulsa full from the head of the security council. so i'm, there is a lot of sort of concern. i'm sure it will pause, but i think that's one of the reasons we have what we had uh the um, the reason the solid pack in, in, in iran, as iran in israel, as the ron wanted to recuperate. the sort of sense of the parents in the sense that they are serious and that also to show that they have the capabilities to miss all because of course, their restraint on the 13th of april when they 5 miss house full,

wasn't misinterpreted completely as well. we'll just, you know, they were all knocked out. 99 percent were knocked out by a us above the defense systems. and so now they've had to, doesn't demonstrate that actually is wells at defense systems on not very effective . and that quite capable of landing ballistic missiles as to saw on target in israel, in a very short notice. yeah, blanket idea of censorship at the moment of the impacts and the results of it. just some ripple is the tile of maze. we have fifteens, we have never to in the have 35 that had to him a base in israel have 35 that 15 and not a single is riley casualty. it'd be, is to be bought uh, as regards the sell for spring criticisms can be made that like that about certainly would've. i'm advantage over the libya debacle over put in allowing

things to get to the stage. are they willing to hand stuff to them made on to and, and so forth. but is there a similar mistake being made by people who think that netanyahu is running the show here? i mean, we know biden said to minot, can megan in 1982. he wouldn't carry hold of 11 and civilians were killed, a was worse them and i can vague in the, in the atrocities in 1982 blinking off to october 7th. and he came to me as well as a jew who was brought up of course, by a lawyer incomplete onto a most ads robot maxwell, who stole the money in britain from the pension fund of samuel piece us a piece are and i think is, his name's annoying confident. and maxwell, is this a plan? was this a, the genocide jo plans in the beginning? because then the, then jake sullivan of the national security council. the in the united states doesn't look so stupid load is blinking. that in your playing mazda strokes here, bringing the u. s, which always wanted to get involved because clearly the us were involved in terms

of the reaction to iran's retaliation using the destroys in the, in the red sea. and they're prepared for it. they going forward, this was the plan all alone. it wasn't. i mean, i'm not, you only can say that about ukraine work that heavy. the dictators are lensky is losing, but this is the plan to exterminate god. i think it's higher. so i think for as for, for a long time, i mean the plan about garza and the pon about the west bank. and of course, destroying this bullet has been loading about for a long time. it is deeply entrenched in the israeli policy, and of course, netanyahu came to congress and related to ross very clearly. he said in vice here to america, to war games get wrong. so you, if you like the head of the, all of us, uh, that is strangling in israel and he said this is

a war of civilization against bumper some. so everyone use that this was sort of in, in, in the works. now i think there are 2 elements to this that, you know, don't blanket so directly because of the 1st really is that i think that they don't have good particularly, but most the other parts of the system. but certainly not, you know, as a, the congress is old both in, unless of course, the other parts the new cause, the set me all the pentagon is getting increasingly worried about over extension that america's getting over extend the road, if you like. china is ramping up the pressure some in the pacific, so they've got it more of a carrier in the field. but the pentagon wants to put more resources that. and it's still preoccupied with ukraine and to have

a wall pin with iran and in the middle east, with all its american bases with all ex. um, uh, a few like exposure as far as her abilities. i think it was not so popular. and i think that's probably what made the pentagon. i actually vito's the idea from bread and from others from being sent to a permit, the premiums to fall. so miss solves deep into the deep into rush, although that could be changed. that could change the, the moment of goes by the time is abroad. i could have back to that can happen, particularly in an election period. well, you know, a good i feel like political till he point saw, are essential and appearing tough on pigeon is considered to be the sort of from

talking point to, to make. so it makes full for by him and his team. but i'm just saying, i'm not sure, and i'm not sure at this moment if it's a good idea to have a wall with the wrong and kind of the electoral prospect of the policy and bar in the united states. i mean, that's a very complicated domestic calculation. which depends on the soul. do you like the little composition of these 5 swain states and, you know, in some there are quite substantial numbers of muslims. they belong to them already . surely by now with the pictures we've seen from gaza and 11 and the m and i there . yeah. and there are things i, i think so, but i mean these 5 states, so very crucial. i mean the election, solano lost in this, and the trying to recuperate. but i mean, actually they're getting the, digging that whole deeper and deeper with the statements that are being made. and

it will be, uh, how some last fall, a is an iconic for this payment. iconic fig. go someone who i was, you know, spend the low standing for national liberation and 2 colors. elizabeth, i mean to have been, you know, signs manifestations in cash, me a artist of india and across the middle east, venezuela in bertina, verified that is last, you know, i do want to get to actually go is a time in the time limited to us. i just want to say more, why is it wrong? react using these traditional warfare means i think that a long times is carlos, the jackal was operating against the, the owners of israel as it were, the back as of israel, where's the asymmetric warfare going? i only ask because if it is true that it was be just by design and that in fact, trump, who's being fed the, the ron was behind,

is assassination attempt. and if the bible in any case has a sponsor to the genocide and cause, if that was, if they had the power is behind it rather than all this obsession in the progressive media, i'll give the against that and yahoo he is the input just now to attack the, the centers of power that the metropolitan powers, which are the centers of power operating in west asia rather than using tel aviv as well. i think the pressing festival, what you're saying is partially true, but the net who it has carried a lot of blame for what's happening and everything one says, well, if he was lost power or something, everything would be right. i don't think that this is necessarily the correct perspective because actually he has the support of a cabinet. he has enough support within the can i sit to survive

until 26 and he's made it. oh is made it clear. i think he gave a a and then to be in the seventy's to hastings writing a book. and he said, and the next for all being, well, we will of take a girlfriend of expelled all of our skin in some arabs and as a between the river and the se. so, i mean, he's been part of this for a long, long time. his father was a private secretary to get the tense k, so he's a job. but since the revision most like most of the cabinet and there is a majority of the it's really is it was obvious when this government came into the and we saw that the mrs. ra, hey, the jews had come from north africa in the middle east. what taking key positions, these were the people at the beginning and brought a festival into

a one and then 2 they, they cooled. and this is great. they feel, i mean, you know, that program said it will. it was obvious some time ago. what was the program to establish as the israel on? yeah, i mean is the program or a life palestinian state is the program of entity blinking every blinking was brought up by the guides of people. we haven't got that much time left. they all know assignments. we agree that by assign is i don't think there's no difference on that. and i'm saying that actually, i mean what that is, the question is they've collectively lead it into this, or did they just facilitate states as it, as a lot of the met him. yeah, who and they haven't had, i mean to be no restraints put on this new tool. so is it a question of passive permission given the past because they're actively all

they've signed another 9 busy and the other day 2 days before the h to the yeah, there's nothing passive about it and straight down very quick very quickly. and finally, very quickly. finally, i should, i actually went through this with you about brittany's role with rebecca, teary, based on the british prime minister thing. he's all up left for it. and then, then denials that the you in the daily britain know a target for any resistance attack, should it become a symmetric and do a strategic and outside of west asia. julian hassan who gave us so much information with that. i suppose. i recall most importantly, babs at the moment, the memo from uh, jake sullivan's hillary clinton thing isis was on the media, us aside in syria as long as smoke for the 1st time about his torture and the counsel of your meeting this week. how far do you think his life is in danger away from all of these other here? big geostrategic topics. i mean, we did a lot of interviews with julian massage before his cafeteria to and torture by the

british. of course i called tell, i mean i can give you a notice or to, to view, but i don't think it is in danger. no, i think he's done it. his dale way have to say he even knows that he was a journalist and did some things, but i think that's probably as much as one can tell the end of it. but i mean, who knows, i mean, those are the sort of the black areas of policy that you are not allowed to see. they all kept very much in the dark. i don't know, but i think i'm hopeful, anyways, he is. he's okay now as a drug, thank you. and that's of, of the show of continued condolences to those surviving u. k. u s. u on violence here in the middle east will be back for more on washington's wall with the brand new episode on monday joined by the c i. as for mackenzie territory of dr. michael sure. until end, keeping jace bible as social media results out to the annual country and i to our

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