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a rep for this. uh, as always, thanks for choosing all tech will see you soon. the the, i'm actually in redundancy and welcome back to going underground will cause to go around the world from the u. a. in the heart of the middle east on the day 38 years ago. the world is confirmation of these. rails may be 200 nuclear weapons. good to see the usa of outside south africa. and one of hollywood stop film produces israel has to this day not come clean. the nuclear whistle blower motor car avenue would be honey draft and kid that from london by room for his revelations before decades

on torture in his riley prison. the world today turns to the prospect of the use of those nuclear weapons by u. s. u k. u back to israel, this after a run, finally retaliated for the gaza genocide. the test run this as a nation of palestine chief negotiator attacks on their radian diplomats and the killing of thousands in bay ridge to a res iconic lebanese resistance need to pass on this route. i would circle genocide. jo, how it goes tyra's, now, presiding over millions, display skilled a wounded, mostly women and children right across this region. i'm drawing now from rome by alice to cook. you k, diplomat in full that you foreign policy chief advisor. he's a founder and director of the baby base complex for him and all of the resistance, the essence of the as the mist revolution. thank you so much alice, of joining us again. it's been a while. lots happened in the era as you're on the going on the route. i think in the beginning of this year, you can see from the headlines. is there any one of go story?

and that's a do by based a gulf. the news you run attacks that israel vfc the japanese paper thing, israel steps up a tax on the wrong proxies as if they're all just their own proxies everywhere. i guess 1st your take on whether there is now there's no real us the tyrants. they've said the largest fleet, the united states has in this area and then at least in the mediterranean, didn't seem to scan your own. no, i think that was deaf. would have been a mistake. i don't think there's been a lot of talk about it wrong being frightened or scared or does to it boss invests . in fact, it was a calculated decision maybe or in the wrong, by the leadership. this, it would not want to cause a regional white wall,

a big war and other words in the region. but for all sorts of reasons, i mean not because they were particularly fright deposit, they've been preparing for it for about 20 years. but simply because a lot of this happening and the very much aware of being very closely in touch with most of as you know, um the payment issue is ready coming to ahead of the moment. yes. and the most moment of crisis for the united states facing a major, major defeat of the us, the and the secondly, because the brick summit is coming up on the 25th of this month. and i think that both the most go and care on, and of course, basing would like this to parcel well and to be a substantial meeting with many new initiatives and honest. yeah,

i mean i, i do want to get back to this region, but india is foreign minister jason cars width binds and i mean, i'm not sure whether anyone is with the bible is able to, in the white house. and it goes to india has a huge and international, lots of transport, cory door operation going, which iran is an important, essential part to the united states to understand what's happening in the brakes. and what will be discussed in cars on the tool or they're just signaling. look at all american interests in the region should activate against the threats of a run. just when india is doing a massive deal with a run, as is russia. and as is china i, i don't think that the moment there is much understanding of the middle east, but i think most of them at least experts that were in the state department and other places have been removed. they have been removed and we have

a being run essentially by people who do not have much expertise in it. or if they have expertise like pay most cost time, it is really from the is right perspective problem from the united states perspective. that's the us ongoing. it was an idea for us us as basically as rails man in the abiding cabinet. yes, he has her, he has an office in the white house, a he moved from state to buckland, where he did the demarcation negotiations with lebanon, about maritime areas of expert should. and then he went into the white house with one secretary, and the team in the state department was dissolved as i understand it. so he's sort of all brakes as a one man band out to the white house. yeah, well, i want to explore whether it is incompetence or it is actually by design. i'll give it a but just briefly of when it comes to the incompetent side of things. a rookie mistake

by a president possess scan of the wrong to come out with the bizarre statement that somehow he'd had ej assurances that restraint would be rewarded. restraint from iran would be rewarded in the light of the smile on the mud or in the turn around which we between had the reward. it was, was the throttle as, as, as a nation. i mean, basically basically i suppose you put it in those terms, but as it has been, the was sort of there is politics involved and less than 10 are wrong. and i think that um, when, as ash can, who doesn't have that sort of experience was made a president, he was pretty well captured to can we say buys a basically buys as i read some cut to me sort of a crew in,

in iraq. and so he did and to his embarrassment, he did believe assurance is that he was given a by you, your appear on an american. both are see is that the would be substantially relief of sanctions for iran. and that would be a guaranteed c scar. and god, so on times that would be acceptable to hum us. and as he said, it isn't a view of 2 words that they lied. none of it was true. um, so this being a lot of anger in iran and a lot of soul searching soul searching because iran has being very castle and it's reactions it is shown great. so for strange, really dating back to the killing of cut some sort of money. but also off to the

attack on the syrian on the consulate in syria and damascus, where it raining and generally was killed. at that point they did mitigate very much was drones and miss house 5, but it was costly orchestra to alaska and who was a foreign minister at that time off to it's both and he said that you know what we call to get this right. i mean, in the sense that we are trying to be restraining and lost a lot of this conflict to escalates into a wider war. but we've called to maintain that sort of sense of deterrence. and we've got to maintain a sense of strength. so there is a been a lot of criticism. this is a restraint, much advocate it if you like, by that or a full missed wing. been wrong,

has contributed to some extent of play but contributed perhaps, to israel's feeling and todd to be able to take up the whole lives that has put a leadership, including statehouse on the throttle. and then to attack the level of across the board. i mean, uh, from all sides of the level of them, i mean, is really suffering the sort of because a treat whereby they are dividing up their routes into sort of sectors. i'm telling people to evacuate one sector, a move to another sector. and then when they caught the, as i told to move back, because that sector is about to be attack. so there are more than the 1000000 displaced from the homes and the something a large number, i think 1500 killed them about 8000 injured. but these are not as bullet people the so basically ordinary lebanese that being said to be connected with,

says paula. and of course we have the same, the same justifications. oh, yes. um. has buller is hiding behind the people? he's using them as human shields in every house. there is they produce this fantastic idea of a sort of missile at b and b, whereby lebanese was sort of keeping me solace in the homes and getting a small fee from his bullet for doing so. this is all nonsense complete nonsense because i was in lebanon in 2006, and before and often during the war, and even before the war has put a to great effort to make sure the one know up and saw o quit, indeed military assets that were anywhere near the level of these villages or cost, so they kept them quite away from it. so the idea that they know having this house in the attic and things is just a typical propaganda. but it has no no basis. but it's being used for the tax

and the a tax r, as in garza intended to put pressure on the civilian life in these population. imagining that back end to turn on on his book, in fact, fall more than in 2006. let's have a nice with just the usual exceptions. let's come over to them. suppose that this i'm with the, for our minister and the president. think, you know, we stand as while this is an attack on the 11th the system to attack on, on as bo, we are being attacked right up through the back car and across a level and, and didn't pay a route. so it's very different. but yes, there is a very awful lot of criticism of iran and the wrong is having to look very good. half the, you know, there is a real guy that i make, you know, i don't want to make it sound so simplistic like you know, but it is,

this is just contributed to it. i mean, those are real dilemma. you can use self restraint. if you like, in order to try and avoid going to abroad a war that is in the interest, they run the interests of russia as the interest order of the region not to have a full. i'll, i'll turn out war. but at the same time, the other side cause that i remember it, is that actually by too much? so for a strength, you end up ways. um if you like escalation and you end up with a wall anyway. and sometimes you find the bike cell for a screen, i actually will comes to you even whether you wanted to know. so the question was, and this is why i think we had this officer and it was the honest, as it came from the supreme national security council, i just remind viewers that possession who has had a lot of publicity,

who has no say in these decisions. this is not his field. foreign policy security policy lies in calling with the supreme national security council under those supremely that the supreme leader makes the laws decision most the press spent. he is basically concerned with domestic administration of the state, but know with foreign policy and off with security as a good call stop. you may have more from the former advisor on middle east issues. the foreign policy chief obvious loaner. after this break the

the plug it back to going underground. i'm still here with us decrypt for the british diplomat and founder and going director of the baby based conflicts for him . how starting part one, you were talking to me about this yesterday and not having a foreign policy control in iran? i mean arguably, i mean i lived in tyrone. he does have power to resign at any rate, but as regards and i should also add as regards to but what we really try to gauge to the side of the national security is true the true. so maybe he was a public channel. it's, i don't know, but there's a lot of, i mean it's a barely scroll to issue, but i just wonder on the line. i mean it, ron is not alone in the style. lemme which i, well, did russia give them bad advice? effected rush, cuz you have them bad advice, me sure. stood by me just to make sure you know the day before as well. you know, russia has had had the same dilemma and during the war and the great, and there will be times where they've had setbacks reverse thoughts. and they've

had to stop and think, reassess and, and actually the been changes in the, in the senior military leadership in moscow. so, i mean, these things are not confined to iran, is the general opprobrium about this dilemma that, you know, if you act with restrain, it'll get great and wrongly interpreted this weakness and actually bring the boy you don't want on to. that is the danger. and so possess cams as being much criticized for those comments that he made and for in the sense almost go behind the backups of the system to talk about them in with the americans and with the europeans. because he does not have a mandate to do that. he does not have that monday that lives with the security council a lot with him. and it was the supreme leader who had ordered, if you liked the attack in retribution for the killing of neil. and it came from

the tall full from the head of the security council. so i'm, there is a lot of sort of concern. i'm sure it will pause, but i think that's one of the reasons we have what we had uh the um, the recent miss all attack in, in, in iran, as iran in israel, as the iran wanted to recuperate. the sort of sense of the parents in the sense that they are serious and that also to show that they have that capability. and so miss all because of course, their restraint on the 13th of april when they followed miss howls full was in, tap misinterpreted completely as well. we'll just, you know, they will not, uh, 9 to 9 percent were not taught by a us above that defense systems. and so now they have to demonstrate that actually israel's ad defense systems on not very effective. i'm not quite capable of landing

a ballistic missiles as to saw on target in israel in a very short notice. yeah. blankets idea of censorship at the moment of the impacts and the results of it. just some ripple is the town of may's. the 15 is we have never, then we have 35 that had to him a base in israel have 35 that fifteens and not a single is riley casualty. it'd be is to be, but uh, as regards the ssl for stream criticisms can be made that like that about certainly would've, i'm advantage over the libya to backlash over put in allowing things to get to the stage. are they willing to hand stuff to them made on to and, and so forth. but is there a similar mistake being made by people who think that netanyahu is running the show here? i mean, we know biden said to me, knocking megan in 1982. he wouldn't care whole of 11 and civilians were killed, a was worse them and i can vague in the,

in the atrocities and 1982 blinking off to october 7th. and he came to israel is a jew who was brought up of course, by a lawyer and comfy don't of the most ads robot maxwell is still a little money in britain from the pension fund. a samuel piece us a piece are and i think is his name during confident. and maxwell, is this a plan? was this a, a genocide jo plans in the beginning? because then, so then jake sullivan of the national security council, the in the united states doesn't look so stupid load is blinking. that in your playing mazda strokes here, bringing the u. s. which always wanted to get involved. because clearly the us were involved in terms of the reaction to iran's retaliation using the destroys in the, in the red sea. and they're prepared for it. they going forward. this was the plan all alone. it wasn't. i mean, i'm not, you only can say that about ukraine work that heavy. the dictators are lensky is losing, but this is the plan to exterminate costs. i think it's higher. so i think for

as for, for a long time, i mean the plan about garza and the pound about the west bank. and of course, destroying this bullet has been known about for a long time. it is deeply entrenched in the israeli policy, and of course, netanyahu came to congress and elated to we're off very clearly. he said in vice here to america, to a war against the wrong. so you, if you like the head of the octopus. uh that is strangling in israel and he said this is a war of civilization against bumper some so everyone knew that this was sort of in, in, in the works. now i think there are 2 elements to this that, you know, i don't think it's so directly because of the 1st really, is that i think the, the, i don't think a, particularly the most,

the other parts of the system. but certainly not, you know, as a to congress is all boys in, unless of course, the other parts the new. com. so certainly all the pentagon is getting increasingly worried about over extension. is that america's getting over, extend, brooke, if you like, china is ramping up, the pressure is in the pacific. so they've got it more of a carrier in the field. but the pentagon wants to put more resources that and it's still preoccupied with ukraine. and to have a wall pin with a ron and in the middle east, with all its american bases with all ex. um, uh, a few like exposure as far as her abilities or, i think it was not so popular. and i think that's probably what made the pentagon. i actually vito's the idea from bread and from others from

a blinking to a permit, the premiums the fall. so miss solves deep into the deep into rush, although that could be okay. that could change the, the moment of goes by the time does the road i could have back to that can happen, particularly in an election period. well, you know, a good. i feel like political till he points are essential and appearing tough on budget is considered to be the sort of from talking point to, to make so make for, for by him and his team. but i'm just saying, i'm not sure, and i'm not sure at this moment if it's a good idea to have a wall with the wrong in terms of the electoral prospect of the policy and bar in the united states. i mean, that's a very complicated domestic calculation. which depends on the soul. do you like the

little composition of these 5 swain states and, you know, in some there are quite substantial numbers of muslims. they belong to them already . surely by now, with the pictures we've seen from guys and 11 and the m and a nice area and there are things i think so, but i mean these 5 states, so very crucial. i mean the election, solano overall systems and the trying to recuperate. but i mean, actually they're getting the, taking that whole deeper and deeper with the statements that are being made and going to be a how some last fall, a is an iconic figure. there's been an iconic figure to someone who has, you know, spend the low standing for national liberation and to collect eliza. i mean, to have been, you know, signs manifestations in cash, me a artist of india and across the middle east, venezuela in bertina,

verified it is last, you know, i do want to get off chico. is it time in the time limited to us? i just want to say, why is it iran react using these traditional warfare means? i mean it's a long time since carlos, the jackal was operating against the, the owners of israel as it were, the back as of israel. where's the asymmetric warfare going? i only ask because it is true that it was be just by design and that in fact, trump, who's being fed, that iran was behind his assassination attempt. and if the bible in any cases sponsor the genocide and cause, if that was if they had the powers behind it, rather than all this obsession in the progressive media are arguably against nothing. yahoo! it isn't the impetus now to attack the, the senses of power that the metropolitan powers which are the senses of power

operating in west asia rather than using tel aviv as well. i think them the pressing festival. what you're saying is partially true, but the let me know who it has carried a lot of blame for what's happening and everything one says, well, if he was lost power or something, everything would be right. i don't think that this is necessarily the correct perspective. because actually he has the support of a cabinet. he has enough support with in the can i sit to survive until 26 and he's made it. oh is made it clear. i think he gave a, a, in an interview in the seventy's to hastings. the pricing a book and he said in the next full bullying, well we will of take a girlfriend of expelled, although i was sitting in some arabs and i think between the river and the se. so i

mean, he's been part of this for a long, long time, and his father was a private sex rate to get the tense k. so he's a jump button ski revision is like most of the cabinet. and there is a majority of the trainings. it was obvious when this government came into the and we saw the mizrahi, the jews that come from north africa in the middle east. what taking key positions . these were the people that the big in the broad festival into a born. and then tuesday, they cooled and this is great. they feel, i mean, you know, that program said it will. it was obvious some time ago. what was the program to establish and the israel on? yeah, i mean is the program or a life palestinian state is the program of entity blinking actually blinking. so it's broken up by the kinds of people we haven't got that much time left. they all

know assignments. we agreed that based on is i don't think there's no difference on that. and i'm saying that actually, i mean what that is, the question is they've collectively lead it into this, or did they just facilitate fits as it, as a lot of the met him. yeah, who and then having to mean to be no restraints put on it's not a tool. so is it a question of passive permission given the passage because they're actively all they've signed another 9 busy and the other day 2 days before the h to yeah, there's nothing passive about it and straight down very quick very quickly. and finally, very quickly. finally, um i should, i actually went through this with you about brittany's role with rebecca theory based on the british prime minister thing. he's all up left for it. and then, then denials that the you in a really britain know a target for any resistance attack, should it become a symmetric and do

a strategic and outside of west asia. julian hassan who gave us so much information . uh, with that i suppose. i recall most importantly, perhaps at the moment the memo from uh, jake sullivan's hillary clinton saying isis was on the media, us aside in syria as long as smoke for the 1st time about his torture and the counsel of your meeting this week. how far do you think his life is in danger away from all of these other big geostrategic topics? i mean, we did a lot of interviews with julian massage before his cafeteria to and torture by the british, of course. but i called tell, i mean i can give you a notice or to, to view, but i don't think it is in danger. no, i think he's done his deal way out to say he even knows that he was a journalist and did some things, but i think that's probably as much as one can tell the end of it. but i mean,

who knows? i mean, those are the sort of the black areas of policy that you are not allowed to see. they all kept very much in the dark. i don't know, but i think i'm hopeful. anyways, he is. he's okay now as a drug. thank you. and that's of, of the show of continued condolences to those surviving u. k. u. s. and you on violence here in the middle east. we'll be back from or on washington's wall with the brand new episode on monday joined by the c. i. as for mackenzie, tara chief, dr. michael sure, until end keeping josh wireless social media results sent to the new country. and i to our channel going on. we want to keep you on revel dot com to watching you and all that besides of going on the ground. see monday, the

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