the next thing it will be them both then also have to be the the, i'm actually in redundancy and welcome back to going underground will cause to go around the world from the u. a. in the heart of the middle east, on the day 38 years ago, the world is confirmation of these. rails may be 200 nuclear weapons. go to see the usa about sites out of africa. and one of hollywood stop film produces israel has to this day no come clean. the nuclear whistle blower motor car avenue new would be honey draft and kid that from london by room for his revelations before decades on torture in his riley prison. the world today tends to the prospect of the use of those nuclear weapons by u. s. u k e u back to israel. this after a run,

finally retaliated for the gaza genocide. the test run this as a nation of palestine chief negotiator attacks on their radian diplomats and the killing of thousands in babies to a res iconic lebanese resistance need to pass on this route. i would circle genocide. jo, how it goes tyra's, now, presiding over millions, display skilled a wounded, mostly women and children right across this region. i'm drawing now from rome by allister crook, u. k. diplomat in full, they you foreign policy chief advisor. he's a founder and director of the baby base complex for him and all of the resistance, the essence of the as the mist revolution. thank you so much alice, of joining us again. it's been a while, and that's happened in the year. have you on going underground lighting in the beginning of this year? you can see from the headlines there's only one of course story. and that's a do by based a gulf news. you run attacks that israel vfc the japanese paper thing. israel steps

up a tax on the wrong proxies as if they're all just their own proxies everywhere. i guess 1st your take on whether there is now. there's no real us. the parents, they said the largest fleet the united states has in this area and the lease in the mediterranean didn't seem to scare you wrong. no, i think that was deaf. would have been a mistake. i don't think there's been a lot of talk about it wrong being frightened or scared or does to it boss invest. in fact, it was a calculated decision made to in the wrong by the leadership this, it would not want to cause a regional white will big war, in other words, in the region. but for all sorts of reasons, i mean not because they were particularly fright box it,

they've been preparing for it for about 20 years. but simply because a lot of this happening and very much aware of being very closely in touch with most of as you know, the pregnant issue is already coming to a head at the moment. yes. and the most moment of crisis for the united states facing a major, major defeat of the us, the and the secondly, because the brick summit is coming up on the 25th of this month. and i think that both the most go around and of course beijing would likes us to parcel well and be a substantial meeting with many new initiative. so not yeah, i mean i, i do want to get back to this region, but india is foreign minister jason cars width binds and i'm not sure whether anyone is with the bible is it was in the white house and it goes to india. has

a huge and international, lots of transport, cory door operation going, which iran is an important, essential part to the united states to understand what's happening in the brakes. and what will be discussed in cars on the tool or they're just signaling, look a all american interests in the region should activate against the threats of a run. just when india is doing a massive deal with a ron, as is russia. and as is china i, i don't think that the moment there is much understanding of the middle east. i think most of them at least experts that were in state department and other places have been removed. they have been removed and we have a being run essentially by people who do not have much expertise in it. or if they have expertise like pay most cost time,

it is really from the is really perspective problem from a united states perspective. that's the us ongoing. it was an idea for us us as basically as rails man in the abiding cabinet. yes, he has her, he has an office in the white house. a he moved from state to buckland, where he did the, the modification negotiations with lebanon, about maritime various of expiration. and then he went into the white house with one secretary, and the team and the state department was dissolved as i understand it. so he sort of all brakes as a one man band. i took the white house. yeah. well, i want to explore whether it is incompetence or it is actually by design. i'll give it a but just briefly of when it comes to the incompetent side of things, a rookie mistake by president possessed can be wrong to come out with the bizarre statement that somehow he'd had ej assurances that restraint would be rewarded.

restraint from iran would be rewarded in the light of the smile on the mud or in the air on which we between and the reward of course was no small as estimation. i mean basically basically i suppose you could put it in those terms. but as it has been, the was sort of, there is politics involved and less than 10 are wrong. and i think that when, as ash county who doesn't have that sort of experience was made for president, he was pretty well captured to can we say buys a basically buys as i read some cut to me sort of a crew and in iraq. and so he did and to his embarrassment, he did believe assurance is that he was given

a by you your appear on an american. both are see, is that the would be substances relief of sanctions. for iran, the would be a guaranteed c star and garza on times that would be acceptable to hum us. and as he said, it is into view of 2 woods. they lied. none of it was true. um, so this being a lot of anger in iran and a lot of soul searching soul searching because iran has been very careful and it's reactions. it is shown grades. so for spring really dating back to the killing of custom. so the money, but also off to the attack on the syrian on the consulate in syria and damascus, where it raining and generally was killed. at that point

they did mitigate very much was drones and miss house 5, but it was costly orchestra and of the lot here and who was a for a minister that time off to it's both. and he said that, you know, what we call to get this right. i mean, in the sense that we are trying to be restraining and lost a lot of this conflict to escalates into a wider war. but we've called to maintain that sort of sense of deterrence. and we've got to maintain a sense of strength. so there is of been a lot of criticism this restraint, much advocates, it if you like, by that reformist wink, been doing wrong, has contributed to some extent, not playing but contributed, perhaps, to israel of feeling and todd to be able to take out the whole of that it has put

a leadership including say to us on the throttle and then to attack the level of across the board. i mean uh from all sides of the level. and i mean, is really suffering the sort of because a tree whereby they are dividing up their routes into sort of sectors. i'm telling people to evacuate one sector, move to another sector. and then when they caught the, as i told to move back, because that sector is about to be attack. so there are more than the 1000000 displaced from the homes and the something a large number, i think 1500 killed them about 8000 injured. but these are not as bullet people the so basically ordinary level needs that being said to be connected with, says paula. and of course we have the same the same justification. oh yes. um. has buller is hiding behind the people? he's using them as human shields in every house. there is they produce this

fantastic idea of a sort of missile at b and b, whereby lebanese was sort of keeping me solace in the homes. i'm getting a small fee from his bullet for doing so. this is all nonsense complete nonsense because i was in lebanon in 2006, and before and often during the war, and even before the war has put a to great effort to make sure the one know up and saw o quit, indeed military assets that were anywhere near the level of these villages or cost, so they kept them quite away from it. so the idea that they know having this house in the attic and things is just a typical propaganda. but it has no no basis. but it's being used for the tax and the a tax r, as in garza intended to put pressure on the civilian love and these population.

imagining that back end to tunnel on his book, in fact, fall more than in 2006. the eliza bernice with just the usual exceptions that's come out to them. suppose it did. and with the, for our minister and the president think, you know, we stand as while this is an attack on the 11th the system to attack on, on as bo, we are being attacked right up through the back car and across the 11 and, and didn't pay a route so it's very different. but yes, there is a very awful lot of criticism of iran and the wrong is having to look very hastily, you know, there is a real got it. i mean, you know, i don't want to make it sound so simplistic like you know, but it is, this is just contributed to it. i mean, those are real dilemma. you can use self restraint if you like, in order to try and avoid going to abroad

a war that is in the interest of the wrong as the interest of russia, as the interest of, or the region not to have a full. i'll, i'll turn out war, but at the same time, the other side cause that i remember is that actually by too much. so for a strength, you end up ways. um, if you like escalation and you end up with a whole anyway. and sometimes you find the bike cell for a screen, i actually will comes to you even whether you wanted to know. so the question was, and this is why i think we had this officer and it was the honest, as it came from the supreme national security council. i just remind viewers that possession who has had a lot of publicity or has no say in these decisions. this is not his field for him policy security policy lies in calling with the supreme national security council.

under those supreme lead up, the supreme leader makes the laws decision most the press stuff. he's basically concerned with domestic administration of the state, but not with foreign policy. and off with security. how's that work? i'll stop you about more from the former advisor on middle east issues. the foreign policy chief ivy as a loaner after this break the there's no end in sight over how you're going to continue to destroy the or is the case for the med, most of the people. i tried to go to the gym, but i'm certainly not ready to fight russia. this is also of soon. this is the 3rd world lunacy re washington. as for so the funder line likes to say, we have the tools while we just start with stability and business deals to help me living on that. we have very close propaganda. you know, price here in new york. i think we don't know the aftermath any time that you're

not allowed to ask questions, you should ask all of the questions. some more questions, ask a better. the answer is will be the plug it back to going underground. i'm still here with us decrypt for the british diplomat and founder and going director of the baby based complex for him. how starting part one you were talking to me about possess cannot having a foreign policy control in iran? i mean, now give me, i mean i lived in terra and he does have power to resign at any rate, but as regards and i should also add, as regards to what we wrote suitcases to the side of the national security. that is true. is that true? so maybe he was power to it's, i don't know, but there's a lot of, i mean it's a barely scroll to issue, but i just wonder on the line. i mean it, ron is not alone in the style. lemme which i did rush, i give them bad advice,

reflected rush, i give them bad advice. me sure. stood by me just to mention the day before as well . you know, russia has had had the same dilemma and during the war in the crate and there been times where they've had setbacks reverse thoughts. and they've had to stop and think and reassess. and, and actually the been changes in the, in the senior military leadership in moscow. so, i mean, these things are not confined to iran, is the general opprobrium about this dilemma that you know, if you act with restrain, it'll get great, wrongly interpreted this weakness and actually bring the boy you don't want onto. that is the danger. and so possessive jams is being much criticized for those comments that he made, and for in the sense almost go behind the backups of the system. to talk about them in the, with the americans and with the europeans. because he does not have

a monday to do that. he does not have that monday that lives with the security council and the note with him. and it was the supreme leader who would order if you liked the attack in retribution for the killing of neil. and it came from the tall full from the head of the security council. so i'm, there is a lot of sort of concern. i'm sure it will pause, but i think that's one of the reasons we had what we had uh the um, the recent miss all attacked in, in, in iran, as iran in israel, as the iran wanted to recuperate. the sort of sense of the parents in the sense that they are serious and that also to show that they have the capability of some missile because of cost their restraint on the 13th of april, when they followed miss house full, was in type. misinterpret completely as well we'll just, you know,

they were all knocked uh, 99 percent were not taught by a us above that defense systems. and so now they've had to demonstrate that actually israel's ad defense systems on not very effective. i'm not quite capable of landing a ballistic missiles. i was to saw on target in israel, in a very short notice. yeah, blanket idea. censorship at the moment of the impacts and the results of it. just of some ripple, it's a total of mays be of 15, so we didn't have it and we have $35.00. and i had to him a base in israel have 35 that fifteens and not a single is rarely a casualty. it'd be, is to be bought uh as regards the ssl for spring criticisms could be made that like that about certainly would've, i'm advantage over the libya to backlash over put in allowing things to get to the stage. are they willing to hand stuff to them made on to and,

and so forth. but is there a similar mistake being made by people who think that netanyahu is running the show here? i mean, we know by didn't said to me not in megan in 1982. he wouldn't care whole of 11 and civilians were killed. a was worse them and i can vague in the, in the atrocities and 1982 blinking off to october 7th. and he came to israel as a jew who was brought up of course, by a lawyer incomplete on 2 of the most ads robot maxwell is still a little money in britain from the pension fund of samuel piece us a piece are. and i think is his name during confident. and maxwell, is this a plan? was this a, a genocide? 0 plan from the beginning? because then the, then jake sullivan of the national security council. the in the united states doesn't look so stupid load is blinking. that in your playing mazda strokes here, bringing the u. s, which always wanted to get involved because clearly the us were involved in terms of the reaction to iran retaliation using the destroys in the,

in the red sea. and they're prepared for it. they going forward, this was the plan all alone. it wasn't. i mean, i'm not, you only can say that about ukraine work that heavy. the dictators are lensky is losing, but this is the plan to exterminate costs. i think it's higher. so i think for is for, for a long time, i mean the plan about garza and the town about the west bank and of course, destroying this bullet has been loading about for a long time. it is deeply entrenched in the israeli policy, and of course, netanyahu came to congress and related to ross very clearly. he said in vice here to america, to war games, good wrong. so you, if you like the head of the octopus. uh that is strangling in israel and he said this is

a war of civilization against bumper some so everyone knew that this was sort of in, in, in the works. now i think there are 2 elements to this that, you know, i don't think it's so directly because of the 1st really, is that i think the, the, i don't think good particularly, but most the other parts of the system, but certainly not do. mostly the congress is all boys in unless of course, the other parts the new cause of certainly all the pentagon is getting increasingly worried about over extension. is that america's getting over, extend, brooke, if you like, china is ramping up, the pressure is in the pacific. so they've got it more of a carrier in the field, but the pentagon wants to put more resources that. and it's still preoccupied with ukraine. and to have a wall pin with a ron and in the middle east,

with all its american bases with all ex. um, uh, a few like exposure as far as her abilities. i think it was not so popular. and i think that's probably what made the pentagon. i actually vito's the idea from brenton and from others from a blinking to a permit, the premiums, the fall. so missiles deep into the deep into rush over that can be changed. that could change the, the moment of goes by the time does the road i could have back to that can happen, particularly in an election period. well, you know, a good, i feel like political told he points are essential and appearing tough on budget is considered to be the sort of from talking point to, to make so to me for, for by him having his team. but i'm just saying, i'm not sure,

and i'm not sure at this moment if it's a good idea to have a wall with the wrong in terms of the electoral prospect of the policy and bar in the united states. i mean, that's a very complicated domestic calculation. which depends on the so do you like the little composition of these 5 swain states and, you know, and some, there are quite substantial numbers of muslims. they belong to them already. surely by now, with the pictures we've seen from guys and 11 and the m and a nice area and there are things i, i think so, but i mean these 5 states, so very crucial. i mean the election, solano overall systems and the trying to recuperate. but i mean, actually they're getting them digging that whole deeper and deeper with the statements that are being made. and that will be, uh how some last fall

a is an iconic figure. there's been an iconic of someone who has, you know, spend the low standing for national liberation and to collect ellis, i mean, to have been no signs, manifestations in kashmir, august of india, and across the middle east. venezuela in bertina, verified that is last, you know, i do want to get to actually go is a time in the time limited to us. i just want to say, why is it iran react using these traditional warfare means? i mean, it's a long time since carlos, the jackal was operating against the, the owners of israel as it were, the back as of israel. where's the asymmetric warfare going? i only ask because if it is true that it was be just by design and that in fact, trump, who's being fed, that iran was behind his assassination attempt. and if the bible in any case as a sponsor to be genocide and gaza, if that was,

if they had the power is behind it rather than all this obsession in the progressive media are arguably against nothing. yahoo! it isn't the impetus now to attack the, the centers of power that the metropolitan powers which are the senses of power operating in west asia rather than using tel aviv as well. i think them the pressing festival. what you're saying is partially true, but the net, you know, who it has carried a lot of blame for what's happening. and every day one says, well, if he was lost power or something, everything would be right. i don't think that this is necessarily the correct perspective because actually he has the support of a cabinet. he has enough support with in the capacity to survive until 26 and he's made it always made it clear. i think he gave a, a,

in an interview in the seventy's to hastings, the pricing a book. and he said, and the next full bull being, well, we will of take go through the end of expelled all of our skin in some arabs. and i think between the river and the sea. so i mean, he's been part of this for a long, long time. his father was a private 6th street to chapter 10 ski. so he's a jump button ski revision this mike, most of the cabinet. and there is a majority of the trainings, it was obvious when this government came into the and we saw the mizrahi, the jews that come from north africa in the middle east. we're taking keep positions. these were the people that the big in the broad festival into a global and then tuesday, they cooled. and this is great. they feel,

i mean, you know, that program said it will. it was obvious some time ago. what was the program to establish and the israel on? yeah, i mean is the program or a life? how is it indian state is the program of entity blinking actually blinking. so it's broken up by the kinds of people we haven't got that much time left. they all know assignments, we agreed that based on that's, i don't think there's no difference on that. and i'm saying that actually, i mean what that is, the question is they've collectively leading to this, or did they just facilitate fits as it has a lot of the met him. yeah. who and then having to, i mean to be no restraints put on is the tool. so is it a question of passive permission given the passage because they're actively all they've signed another 9 busy and the other day 2 days before the h to yeah,

there's nothing faster about it and straight down very quick very quickly. and finally, very quickly. finally, i should, i actually went through this with you about brittany's role with rebecca theory based on the british prime minister thing. he's all up left for it. and then then denials that the you in the britain know a target for any resistance attack. should it become a symmetric and do strategic and outside of west asia. julian hassan who gave us so much information. uh, with that i suppose. i recall most importantly, babs at the moment, the memo from uh, jake sullivan's hillary clinton saying isis was on the us aside. in syria, as long as smoke for the 1st time about his torture and the counsel of your meeting this week. how far do you think his life is in danger away from all of these other big geostrategic topics? i mean, we did a lot of interviews with julian massage before his cafeteria to and torture by the british. of course i called tell, i mean i can give you a notice or to, to view,

but i don't think it is in danger. no, i think he's done it. his deal way have to say he knows that he was a journalist and that did some things, but i think that's probably as much as one can tell the end of it. but i mean, who knows? i mean, those are the sort of the black areas of policy that you're not allowed to see. they all kept very much in the dark. i don't know, but i think i'm hopeful, anyways, he is is okay now as a drug. thank you. and that's of, of the show. i'll continue to condolences to those surviving u. k. you as you on violence here in the middle east will be back from or on washington as well, with the brand new episode on monday joined by the c. i a school and the kinds of charities, dr. michael sure, until end keeping jace. why will i social media results sent to the annual country and i to a channel going on. we want to keep you on level to come to watching you and all that besides have going on the ground. see you monday,

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