the find out the i'm actually in redundancy and welcome back to going underground rule cussing all around the world from the u. a. in the heart of the middle east on the day 38 years ago. the well did confirmation of these rails may be 200 nuclear weapons. good to see the usa apartheid south africa. and one of the hollywood store film producers. israel has to this day no, come clean. the new k, a whistle blower motor car avenue new would be honey draft and kid that from london by room for his revelations before decades on torture in his riley prison. the world today tends to the prospect of the use of those nuclear weapons by u. s. u k,

u back to israel. this off to re run finally retaliated for the gaza genocide. the test run this as a nation of palestine chief negotiator attacks on their radiant diplomats and the killing of thousands and babies to a res iconic lebanese resistance need to pass on this route. i would circle genocide, jo, all the cause towers now presiding over millions, display skilled a wounded, mostly women and children right across this region. i'm joined now from rome by alice to cook. you k diplomat info. they you foreign policy chief advisor. he's a founder and director of the baby base complex for him and older of resistance, the essence of the as the midst revolution. thank you so much alice, of joining us again. it's been a while and that's happened in the year. have you on going underground? i think at the beginning of this year, you can see from the headlines there's only one of course story. and that's a do by based a gulf news. you run attacks that israel vfc the japanese paper thing. israel steps

up a tax on the wrong proxies as if they're all just their own proxies everywhere. i guess 1st your take on whether there is now, there's no real us to tyrants. they said, the largest fleet, the united states has in this area and the lease in the mediterranean didn't seem to scare you wrong. no, i think that was deaf. would have been a mistake. i don't think there's been a lot of talk about it wrong. being frightened or scared or does to it boss invest . in fact, it was a calculated decision made a right in the wrong by the leadership this, it would not want to cause a regional white will a big war in other words, in the region. but for all sorts of reasons, i mean not because they were particularly fright deposit,

they've been preparing for it for about 20 years. but simply because a lot of this happening and the very much aware of being very closely in touch with most of as you know, um the payment issue is ready coming to ahead of the moment. yes. and the most moment of crisis for the united states facing a major, major defeat of the us, the and the secondly, because the brick summit is coming up on the 25th of this month. and i think that both the most go and care um and of course, basing would like this deposit of 12 and at the a substantial meeting with many new initiatives and loves. yeah, i mean i, i do want to get back to this region, but india is foreign minister, j shrunk, it was width binds, and i mean, i'm not sure whether anyone is with the bible,

is it was in the white house and it goes to india. has a huge and international, lots of transport, cory door operation going, which iran is an important, essential part to the united states to understand what's happening in the brakes. and what will be discussed in cars on the tool or they're just signaling. look, all american interests in the region should activate against the threats of a run just when india is doing a massive deal with a run, as is russia. and as is china, i, i don't think that the moment there is much understanding of the middle east. i think most of them, at least textbooks that were in state department and other places have been removed . they have been removed and we have a being run essentially by people. i do not have much expertise in it. or if they have the expertise like pay most cost time,

it is rarely from the is really perspective problem from the united states perspective. that's the us ongoing. it was an idea for us. this is basically as rails man in the abiding cabinet. yes, he has, or he has an office in the white house, a he moved from state to buckland, where he did the, the modification negotiations with lebanon, about maritime areas of exploration. and then he went into the white house with one secretary and the team and the state department was dissolved as i understand it. so he's sort of all breaks is a one man band out to the white house. yeah, well, i want to explore whether it isn't competence or it is actually by design. i'll give it a but just briefly when it comes to the incompetent side of things, a rookie mistake by president possess scan of the wrong to come out with the bizarre statement that somehow he'd had ej assurances that restraint would be

rewarded. restraint from iran would be rewarded in the light of the smile on the mud or in the tear on which we between had the reward. it was, was enough for all as his estimation. i mean, basically basically i suppose you could put it in those terms, but that's, it has been the was sort of there is politics involved and less than 10 are wrong. and i think that when, as ash county who doesn't have that sort of experience was made for president, he was pretty well captured to can we say buys a basically buys as i read some cut to me sort of a crew in, in iraq. and so he did and to his embarrassment, he did believe assurance is that he was given

a by you your appear on an american. both are see, is that the would be substantially relief of sanctions for iran. and that would be a guaranteed seized car, and garza on times that would be acceptable to hum us. and as he said, it is into view of 2 woods. they lied. none of it was true. um, so this being a lot of anger in iran and a lot of soul searching soul searching because ron, who's being very careful and it's reactions it is shown grades health for strange, really dating back to the killing of cut some sort of money. but also off to the attack on the syrian on the consulate in syria and damascus, where it raining and generally was killed. at that point,

they did mitigate very much what drones and miss house 5. but it was costly orchestration of the lot here and who was a part of ministers that time off to it's both. and he said that you know what we call to get this right. i mean, in the sense that we are trying to be restraining and lost a lot of this conflict to escalates into a wider war. but we've called to maintain that sort of sense of deterrence. and we've got to maintain a sense of strength. so there is of been a lot of criticism that this is a restraint, much of the case it if you liked by that or a full missed wing been did wrong, has contributed to some extent of play, but contributed perhaps to israel feeling and todd to be able to take

out the whole of that, it has put a leadership including say to us on the throttle and then to attack the level of across the board. i mean uh from all sides of the level. and i mean, is really suffering the sort of because a treat whereby they are dividing up their routes into sort of sectors and telling people to evacuate one sector, a move to another sector. and then when they caught the, as i told to move back, because that sector is about to be attack. so there are more than the 1000000 displaced from the homes and the something a large number, i think 1500 killed and about 8000 injured. these are not his bullet people the so basically ordinary level needs that being said to be connected with, says paula: and of course we have the same. the same justifications. oh yes. um. has buller is hiding behind the people? he's using them as human shields in every house. there is they produce this

fantastic idea of a sort of missile at b and b, whereby lebanese was sort of keeping me solace in the homes. i'm getting a small fee from as bullet for doing so. this is all nonsense complete nonsense because i was in lebanon in 2006, and before and often during the war, and even before the war has pointed to great effort to make sure the one know up and saw o quit, indeed military assets that were anywhere near the level of these villages or cost, so they kept them quite away from it. so the idea is that they are now having this house in the attic and things is just a typical propaganda, but it has no no basis, but it's being used for the tax and the a tax r. as in garza intended to put pressure on the civilian life in these population,

imagining that back end to turn on on his book. in fact, far more than in 2006. the eliza bernice with just the usual exceptions of going to monitor them. suppose it that, and with the, for our minister and the president think, you know, we stand as while this is an attack on the 11th the system to attack on, on as bo, we are being attacked right up through the back car and across the 11 and and didn't very route so it's very different. but yes, there is a very awful lot of criticism of iran and the wrong is having to look very and half a. you know, there is a real guy that i make, you know, i don't want to make it sound so simplistic like you know, but it is, this is jessica contributed to it. i mean, those are ro dilemma. you can use self restraint if you like, in order to try and avoid going to abroad

a war that is in the interest of the run, the interest of russia as the interest of order of the region not to have a full of ultra note war. but at the same time, the other side cause that i remember it, is that actually by too much self restraint, you end up ways. um, if you like escalation and you end up with a wall anyway. and sometimes you find the bike cell for a screen. i actually will comes to you even whether you wanted to know. so the question was, and this is why i think we had this officer and it was the answer that came from the supreme national security council. i just remind viewers that this ashton, who has had a lot of publicity, who has no say in these decisions, this is not his field for him. the policy security policy lies in calling with the

supreme national security council under the supremely, that the supreme leader makes the laws decision most the press stuff. he's basically concerned with domestic administration of the state, but not with foreign policy and off with security as a good call. stop you about more from the former advisor on middle east issues. the foreign policy chief, obvious loaner after this break the, what is part of the, the employee would post that isn't the defense you of us and that in the word part, is it something deeper, more complex might be present? good. let's stop without collisions. let's go out of

the, the plug it back to going underground. i'm still here with us. decrypt for the british diplomat and founder and going director of the baby based conflicts for him . house during part one, you were talking to me about the desk and not having a foreign policy control in there on, i mean now give me, i mean i lived in terra and he does have power to resign at any rate, but as regards and i should also add disregard, spare, where we moved to gauge to the side of the national security measures that drew. so maybe he was power to it's, i don't know, but there's a lot of, i mean it's a very lead pro tissue, but i just wanted to on the line. i mean it, ron is not alone in the style. lemme which i well did rush, i give them bad advice, reflected rush,

give them bad advice. mature stood by me just to make sure to know the day before as well. you know, russia has had had the same dilemma. and during the war in new grade, there will be times where they've had setbacks reverse thoughts and they've had to stop them. thing can reassess and, and actually the been changes in the, in the senior military leadership in moscow. so, i mean, these things are not confined to iran is a general opprobrium about this dilemma that, you know, if you act with restrain, it'll get great, wrongly interpreted this weakness and actually bring the boy you don't want on to you. that is the danger. and so possess cams as being much criticized for those comments that he made and for in the sense almost go behind the backups of the system to talk about them in the, with the americans and with the europeans. because he does not have a mandate to do that. he does not have that monday that lives with the security

council a lot with him. and it was the supreme leader who had ordered, if you liked the attack in retribution for the killing of a male. and it came from the tall full from the head of the security council. so i'm, there is a lot of sort of concern. i'm sure it will pause, but i think that's one of the reasons we had what we had uh the um, the recent miss all attacked in, in, in iran, as iran in israel, as the iran wanted to recuperate. the sort of sense of the parents in the sense that they are serious and that also to show that they have that capability of some missile because of cost their restraint on the 13th of april when they followed miss house full, was in type. misinterpret completely, as, uh, well we'll just, you know, they will not, uh, 9 to 9 percent, but not taught by

a us above that defense systems. and so now they have to demonstrate that actually is wells at defense systems on not very effective. i'm not quite capable of landing a ballistic missiles as to saw on target in israel in a very short notice. yeah. blankets, idea of censorship at the moment of the impacts and the results of it. just some ripple is the tile of maze. we have 15 is we didn't have it in the f 35 and it had to him a base in israel have 35 that fifteens and not a single is riley casualty. it'd be, is to be bought uh, as regards the sell for strain criticisms can be made that like that about certainly would've, i'm advantage over the libya to backlash over, put in allowing things to get to the stage. are they willing to hand stuff to them made on to and, and so forth. but is there

a similar mistake being made by people who think that netanyahu is running the show here? i mean, we know biden said to minot, can megan in 1982. he wouldn't, a careful of 11 and civilians were killed, a was wisdom and i can beg in the, in the atrocities in 1982 blinking off to october 7th. and he came to israel is a jew who was brought up of course, by a lawyer and comfy don't of the most ads robot maxwell is still a little money in britain from the pension fund of samuel piece us a piece are. and i think is his name doing confident. and maxwell, is this a plan? was this a, a jealous hydro plan from the beginning? because then, so then jake sullivan, of the national security council, the in the united states doesn't look so stupid load is blinking. then jo are playing mazda strokes here, bringing the u. s, which always wanted to get involved because clearly the us were involved in terms of the reaction to iran's retaliation using the destroys in the,

in the red sea. and they're prepared for it. they going forward, this was the plan all alone. it wasn't. i mean, i'm not, you only can say that about ukraine work to me. the dictators are lensky is losing, but this is the plan to exterminate because i think it's higher. so i think for as for, for a long time, i mean the plan about garza and the pon about the west bank. and of course, destroying this bullet has been loaded about for a long time. it is deeply entrenched in the israeli policy. and of course, let me off who came to congress and related to ross very clearly he said in vice here to america, to war games. good wrong. so you, if you like the head of the octopus. uh that is strangling in israel and he said this is a war of civilization against bumper some so everyone knew that this was sort of in,

in, in the works. now i think there are 2 elements to this that, you know, i don't think it's so directly because of the 1st really, is that i think the, the, i don't think good particularly, but most the other parts of the system. but certainly not, you know, as a, the congress is a little boy in, unless of course, the other parts the new cause of certainly all the pentagon is getting increasingly worried about over extension of the americas getting overextend. but if you like, china is ramping up the pressure some in the pacific. they put it more of a carrier in the field. but the pentagon wants to put more resources that. and it's still preoccupied with ukraine. and to have a little pain with a ron and in the middle east, with all its american bases with all its,

um, uh, a few like exposure as far as her abilities or, i think it was not so popular. and i think that's probably what made the pentagon. i actually vito's the idea from bread and from others, from a blinking to a permit, the premiums, the fall. so missiles deep into the deep into rush, although that could be changed. that could change the, the moment of goes by the time does the road i could have back to that can happen, particularly in an election period. well, you know, a good, i feel like political toll keep going. saw are essential and appearing tough on pigeon is considered to be the sort of from talking point to, to make so make for, for by him and his team. but i'm just saying, i'm not sure, and i'm not sure at this moment if it's a good idea to have

a wall with the wrong and kind of the like to prospect of the policy and bar in the united states. i mean, that's a very complicated domestic calculation, which depends on the sort of like the oil composition of these 5 swain states. and, you know, in some, there are quite substantial numbers of muslims. they belong to them already. surely by now with the pictures we've seen from guys and 11 and the m and a nice area and there, i think. so i, i think so, but i mean these 5 states, so very crucial. i mean the election, so one or lost in this and the trying to recuperate. but i mean, actually they're getting them digging that whole deeper and deeper with the statements that are being made and, you know, be, uh how some last fall a is an iconic figure. there's been an iconic of someone who has, you know,

spend the low standing for national liberation and 2 colors ellis. i mean to been, you know, signs manifestations in cash. yeah. august of india and across the middle east. venezuela in bertina, verified that is last, you know, i do want to get back chico is a time in the time limited to us. i just wanna say, why is it iran react using these traditional warfare means? i mean, it's a long time since carlos, the jackal was operating against the, the owners of israel as it were, the back as of israel. where's the asymmetric warfare going? i only ask because it is true that it was be just by design and that in fact, trump, who's being fed the, the ron was behind his assassination attempt. and if the bible in any case has a sponsor to be genocide and cause if that was, if they had the powers behind it,

rather than all this obsession in the progressive media are arguably against nothing yahoo a visit. the impetus now to attack the, the senses of power the, the metropolitan powers which are the senses of power, operating in west asia rather than using tel aviv as well. i think the catching festival. what you're saying is partially true, but the let me know who it has carried a lot of blame for what's happening and everything one says, well, if he was lost power or something, everything would be right. i don't think that this is necessarily the correct perspective. because actually he has the support of a cabinet. he has enough support with in the capacity to survive until the 26. and he's made it always made it clear. i think he gave a, a,

an interview in the seventy's to hastings, the pricing a book. and he said, and the next for all being, well, we will of take a girlfriend of expelled all of our skin in some arabs, and i think between the river and the se. so, i mean, he's been part of this for a long, long time. his father was a private secretary to deb attempts k, so he's a jump button. ski revision is like most of the cabinet and the roost. majority of the israelis, it was obvious when this government came into the and we saw the mizrahi, the jews that come from old africa in the middle east. what taking key positions. these were the people that the big in the broad festival into a one. and then then tuesday, they cooled. and this is great. they feel, i mean, you know, that program said it will. it was obvious some time ago. what was the program to

establish and the israel on? yeah, i mean is the program or a life? how is it indian state is the program of entity blinking, blinking. so it's broken up by the guides of people. we haven't got that much time left. they all know assignments, we agreed that based on that's, i don't think there's no difference on that. and i'm saying that actually, i mean what that is, the question is they've collectively lead it into this, or did they just facilitate fits as it, as a lot of the met him. yeah. who and then having to, i mean to be no restraints put on this new tool. so is it a question of passive permission given the past is because they're actively all they've signed another 9 busy and the other day 2 days before the 8th through the yes, there's nothing passive about it straight down very quick,

very quickly. and finally, very quickly. finally, i should, i actually went through this with you about brittany's role with rebecca theory based on the british prime minister thing. he's all up left for it. and then then denials that the you in the britain know a target for any resistance attack. should it become a symmetric and do strategic and outside of west asia? julian assigned you gave us so much information. uh, with that i suppose. i recall most importantly, babs at the moment, the memo from uh, jake sullivan's hillary clinton thing isis was on the us aside. in syria, as long as smoke for the 1st time about his torture and the counsel of your meeting this week. how far do you think his life is in danger away from all of these other big geostrategic topics? i mean, we did a lot of interviews with julian massage before his cafeteria to and torture by the british, of course. but i called tell, i mean i can give you a little story to, to view, but i don't think it is in danger. now. i think he's done his deal way out to say

he knows that he was a journalist and did some things, but i think that's probably as much as one can tell the end of it. but i mean, who knows, i mean, those are the sort of the black areas of policy that you are not allowed to see. they all kept very much in the dark. i don't know, but i think i'm hopeful anyways, he is is okay now as a drug. thank you and that's it for the show of continued condolences to those surviving u. k. you as you on violence here in the middle east, we will be back from or on washington as well, with the brand new episode on monday joined by the c. i is form accounted to retrieve, dr. michael sure. until end keeping. josh, why will i social media if it's on sent to the new york country and i to a channel going on want to keep you on the com to let you know that besides of going underground see monday, the

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