thank you very much. all right, let's see who options engaging in conversation today. he's back with another slice of going underground in moments then sa sky is here up the top. hope you'll stay with us. this is your 247. our attention the the, i'm actually under 10, so you're welcome back to going underground, broadcasting all around the world from u a. e. today marks one year since the palestinian resistance launch operation. alexa, flood of to decades of is really a positive aspect,

cleansing and brutal occupation is re allow him to the teeth with us u. k. u weapons and encouraged to carry out self defense in return carried out to genocide, perhaps hundreds of thousands of palestinians in gaza, mostly women and children had been slaughtered. today's guesses dropped to michael, sure to form a c. i a officer who spent 22 years in the agency where he led the counter terrorism center has been non and station he anonymously or the best selling imperial who bras, where he argued that washington's meddling cause the very terrorism, if claimed to fight today through his website done intervention, and is part costs of national security a and to mike stuck to sure continues to tear apart the narrative of justifying us interventions abroad. he joins me now from virginia to talk to sure. thank you so much for coming on. it's a day event of us raise today and 20 a one the us we got it's longest more in history before the data been defeated. it 20 years later. and i've gotten this done at the 84th. and the ministry of the me.

mcculla memo bought in the f d. a conspiracy to provoke japan to attack the usa. and of course it's also one year since i'm ok. i'm osburg procedure of gaza. who is play and playing, who israel playing a mentally ill, a genocide joe? or is it by design the that a valid zine, this like bible new back to killing and 11 and mass killing of said to me and i can begun is making wrinkled. he didn't care how many children were killed in lebanon, blink. and of course, it was brought up by a robot maxwell's concrete deal. and lawyer is it by design, is the united states playing israel and it, and yahoo was and then you know, blank, but no, i think it's exactly the 2nd sir. i think if you look at the congress, i think in history, there has never been a 4 and legislature owned by another country as completely as the american congress

is by the israelis not directly always by these realities. it's through their bluster and their demands that they, they get involved. but the american geography, if you will, is loaded with pro is rarely organizations like the anti defamation league, the southern poverty law center, a guy pac um, as an untold numbers of jewish 1000000 years. there's a trump took a $100000000.00 from a woman, a jewish woman who lives in las vegas. mary, i'm, we're hearing aid also. yes. sales. and i don't know if there's 2 or in the casino address as we were at casino, we do. yes. yes, that's exactly right. but no since 1948 we've been on lock stock and barrel ideas riley's of advertising either you were in the c. i a in the kinds of terror unit years. yeah. yeah. oh, it's everybody is, you know, it doesn't quite work like that. many of these congressmen who knows actually have

children serving in the us on forces that are now under the being targeted right now. perhaps obviously they're threatening and into stipend. their stipend is sufficient, as it stopped them, worrying or less than their worry about their children. and there's not so many of their children anymore. it's mostly, uh, as you know, illegal immigrants, minorities, of all kinds that came to get a job. the, the, the america is not what it was a 20 years ago let alone 50 years ago. but since you, since truman took money to run your 1948 election from jewish americans, that has been a study i've told climb toward owning the congress. and the media it's, it's, it's, that's just the way it is. and this countries are those organizations i just mentioned to you are now employed, gaining data about american conservatives and christians. so when the time

comes to round them up, they give the information to the f b. i imagine they're on a retainer from the f b i. and they'll have information about where to go to find people. maybe like me who are a little bit unhappy with the way foreigners are interfere in our business. so they should basically all register as for an agents of israel, then all work for the united states, added at a minimum. i think they should be close down myself. i don't think we have to put it up as a nation state with a presence of, of malign for an actors. whether they're registered or not. you know, america is a pretty simple place. our, our, our 1st president said we needed to avoid avoid entanglements with other nations. why we don't want to be in their wars. but 2nd, in over funding this for any for and country will make it hard for people who oppose that particular bilateral relationship to,

to oppose it publicly. indeed, those who oppose will become identified as the enemy. so in a thing called the farewell address by general washington, i mean, you know why i ask whether it's by design because often you hear from these talking heads and pundits who are a coach no doubt by this a military industrial complex. that is both as you say by israel, they say, oh, but it's so important to have this base in this oil rich energy strategic region. then they give us intelligence that's useful. hey, i understand from your me to more that when you were at the c a u. n. e once got some useful intelligence from israel. yes. in the 4 years, little bit more than 4 years, i ran a reparations against some of the line. we got one peaceful, one piece of useful information and i asked permission to share it with people on the ground because it involved the risk to people. and we're, they, they as rarely told us, no. and i shared it any way. and it happened to have

a positive impact, so i didn't get fired or suspended or anything for a, you know, a sending our, our masters. but now we have cases of, uh, of uh, service men and women in your country. uh, apparently trying to get in z. the relatives uh, one thing to be rescued from the catastrophe of hurricane helen, which is the effect of north carolina, south carolina, georgia, tennessee, florida during virginia, 100 dead more than a 100 dead 100 aliens without power and so on. genocide, joe had no problem saying no federal aid while giving 9000000000 to israel. and i don't know how many billions to zelinski had. do you think uh, the full focus now really of the dying days of this administration then is to is to aid the nothing. yahoo, i understand that is destroyers in the red sea. was it always it measuring where

helping of trying to come back and kill the retaliate treatment solves from around i imagine that's the case here. we have a big part of our linux lead over there at the moment. we also have in both ukraine and israel. i know numbers of american troops on the ground. certainly if they've been there for any length of time, we've had casualties and the american people have never, never told a officially that they're there. and be no announcements of any casualties ever been, have ever been made in this country. and either these really front or the, or those zalinski front. and so what are they doing here? they course in parents to keep their mouth, shred what, what's, what's going on there. i wonder if we are fighting probably the 30th war since 1945, which and we've lost everyone to extraordinary disasters in afghanistan and iraq,

vietnam, korea, they are usually utterly unconstitutional wars. for which each president in turn should have been indicted, or at least uh, what do they call it? impeached? there is no. there is no law for warmer warfare making in the united states these days. we didn't, we didn't provide in the cash. the tuition for a warrant word. we provided for a president and only congress has been able to is able to declare war in turn. they on constitutionally delegated that duty to the president for political reasons is the word goes well. they can say who re, we helped if it goes belly up, they condemn the president from here to sunday. it's a, it's a crooked, unconstitutional system that has killed hundreds of thousands of americans. and who

knows how many foreign peoples since 1945, it's a disgrace. it's illegal. it is, it is a, it is a crime against the country and it is running our economy. i want to have to add those with the depth tools, maybe. uh right now in syria and iraq, you as interest there, but you know, you were at the c, i a shortly thousands of your former colleagues, thousands of your successes, work in this massive security state would resign on mass as a pledge to all of the constitution if that if what you were saying was true, well, you think so what do you, what they hire for me, they hire from elite universities. and they started 20 years ago. how come you are? so different are different because i, i'm not smart enough to keep my mouth shut. and i'm his story by trade. and if you

don't know where are you, where you're not going to know where you're going. and that's exactly where we are . now we, we roll from in reading a place like grenada to input and reading afghanistan, rac, somalia, libya the number of the korea in the fifty's. it doesn't. this was not a country, it was not a constitution made for war since roosevelt got us into world war 2 by, by beating the japanese. it has been an i'm ending series with a few exceptions of warning or it's not presidents. well, do you agree then? and maybe maybe you don't normally agree with lexi a buses. but leon, vanessa, who succeeded your c. i a boss who is your stand it off to put it goes and michael hayes. and he said that most ad page, your attack on lebanon, which killed the so man wounded thousands children, women discriminate was

a terror attack. do you agree with him that he said that and why do you think someone like dealing vanessa would say that about well, for what you were saying, the great, the manufacturer of your politicians in congress is around the the, it struck me is very unusual thing for him to say, certainly from the american perspective, it was a terrorist operation. we're not officially engaged in that war. it is much a terrorist operation as the vaccines were. it's the same thought. you put them into somebody and then they get kill later. you had them as a hand of a big prize, you know, i think this goes out on social media and you know, the levels a sense of ship know specific teeth with big pharmaceutical companies. so i'll just say that that's a particularly controversial view. what would the us of being involved in the supply chain, the kind of interference, or is that something that you read as possible operations when you're at the c a

and do they don't realize the blow back to they don't realize a blow back is they congratulated a b as riley is on that operation to blind the children and the mud doctors and nurses in the hospitals in bay route. you have to understand sure that there's the agency and then there's the 7th floor, which is the director and all of his minions. their concern is the keep is really, is happy. it used to be a peer to peer of country societies. and these are really what i was there if you had a piece of information in the, in the saudis or the is relays, will get wind of it and they wanted it, they would contact the agency and if the agency decided it couldn't be shared, they just call the white house. the agency would then get a call from the white house and the information would be shared with those 2 countries. dr. michael? sure, i'll stop here that more from the former chief of the c i as been logged in station after this. right, the,

the, there's no end in sight over how you're going to continue to destroy the, or if the case for the med, most of the people i tried to go to the gym, but i'm certainly not ready to fight russia. this is also of soon, this is the 3rd world lunacy re washing press for so the funder line likes to say, we have the tools while we just start with stability and business deals to the living will not have very good propaganda. you know a price here in new york. i think we don't know the aftermath any time that you're not allowed to ask questions, you should ask all of the questions. the more questions ask, the better the answer is, will be the

will go back to going underground. i'm still here with the host of the national security, our and to mike splunk, us the actually, i office to delta, michael. sure. i don't the show you were talking about the impact and the power of the israel lobby. but you know that i mean quite apart from the critics who was a stump blaming the jews designed as jews. they use a useful list to us empire power and had demonic power for the rest of the world. and particularly strategic place has to be in constant k o, as in tom, while, so the us can get on with that, not least for the u. s. corporations that benefit from regions in the global south . so what do you think about that? i mean i keep coming back to this idea that actually jake sullivan and add to the blinking then north is stupid or is vino, as you seem to be making out. it will be a did they could when the guy office in defense contract is after they leave all

the if you look at american foreign policy since since 1945, what is it gotten us, but wars masses of people including most muslims, now sadly, who don't like us very much we, we, we are, but by what is the highest gdc in the world, the know by p b anymore? that's china, but you know, it's, it's $45.00 and the glory is of the seventy's and sixty's with the social contract with the american people and so forth. a, that's good for us to be friendly to wait. and not only idiot things like wars, but the mass of money we're spending on the climate change fraud. you know, what in the world is, is wrong with people. you know, if you know, you know, 5 grade school, if you take c o 2 out of the air, everything guys in your life, i think there's more to that. and there's a lot of money to be made. clearly, lot of money to be made. clearly out of the colonizing,

speaking of which obviously that's a trump trump line. bad. do you think i know that there was a lot of us go mainstream media criticism when you quoted the 17th century revolutionary as regards the need to have with the attorney. do you believe that the there are forces in the united states co but the trying to kill the most, who certainly he was at that point before. biden stopped being the presidential candidate. suddenly the most popular uh, candidate for november. donald trump. i think there is a number of people that somebody said there were 5 teams out there, but i would bet that they were all all related to the democratic party and the bureaucracy. if you run news or not stupid people, they have their hands full at the moment with the binary ministration in the you. why are you your believe that line? or you say many people were shocked with donald trump, who previously took on mike pompeo. rather than draining this,

rob swamp added to this, well, maybe the, perhaps the worst swamp in history, you know, persecuted, julian assigns, and all the rest of it is just being fed. this is ron line, which is neat for his miriam adults and a 1000000. yes. but he's also need because if they, if they uh, do kill him and they blame it on, the iranians were off to work with around in the military. industrial complex, which you mentioned is already gaining hundreds of millions and billions of dollars out of what they're giving to zalinski probably to the is really is to so it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a close circle. it's a patter and you can watch. it happened and you cannot call it out. but the democrats, you know, they, they have, and t for, they have black lives matter. they have this guy who was apparently working for the agency in, in, uh, um, you know,

i've called black spots. they're obviously elements of it and it was hijacked some say by those voices because they found it useful to do so. but then specifically, when you are at the c, i a, you didn't see or was it not really part of your been not in the station to see documents that did things like that in developing countries all within the united states. i mean, the sky is not even supposed to operate in the united states. this is the f b, i correct. this is the f b i who is this? oh yeah, yeah, i the, the, i is the world's greatest counter terrorism function. as long as they can follow their pair, which is 1st to find a pretty darn, was it convinced him that he has to die for allah and get a team of people that will go ahead and do that. and then they send him out. if he gets it some dumber most wants to come along with him. then the f. b i promise is so arms and explosives, they show up on the given day and there is f. b, i in there, yellow rain jackets, with the ice in there to crossing,

proclaiming another victory into the process. that was never a threat. that's counter terrorism for the f b i. and so you think that it is quite possible because there are forces in there that would sort of turn the assassinations into something that would benefit israel, assassination attempt something, something something that would benefit the democratic party and the permanent bureaucracy. that's who's after trump, your audience may go after on for solely mind at some point, but there's lots of time. they don't need another. uh, uh, they don't need a super power. what's left? i mean, i'll give them the iran would prefer donald trump, because nothing can be worse than the joe biden, who is capitalizing war throughout the region. don't you think? i mean, that's, seems to be more. i think the least thing america has to worry about are those 5 teams. they may killed trump,

they've but they'll get caught. but what they have to worry about is if they go ahead with the stuff that they've been planning with the new world order, with the world economic forum, with empowering the u. n. to be a separate secretary general to be the weren't aware of that. and i know you talked to you most of x colleagues from the agency. so i'm in a still friends. they don't think that you're just talking like a crazy person. you know, they do, they don't know our history. they think they think grateful sir, for the history is that have you written some of it? i mean, the history is clear, the history is there right in, but i didn't have any influence except that it was pretty warmly received. and you just want people a bio summit, but that's not the point. the point is this country's funding on certain principles and when you stop following them, you end up what you have at the moment. at unrelenting, interventionist, aggressive warfare machine led by a war or not by a president. you have

a congress that supports every more than you can see. the last time we had any opposition to award was largely during that now. and that was another waste of 50000 american lives. my argument is just, we don't intervene in places and we don't joining alliances. we don't joined any kind of internet and get rid of the us out of this country. how many do you think the best thing that could happen is a puts in ends the war and ukraine decisively to? yes, rather than, i mean, i mean, for the united states, it might not be for western europe or for russia, but it is the patient, a slow campaign by russian forces, deliberate. those areas of, uh, as the russians would say, no, i'd see buds of ukraine. it's too slow for those who support democracy in the united states, but it's what democracy we have left. there's even less,

less and less than europe compared to what there was 20 years ago. they're proposing, you know, all different kinds of science, which i'm not even thinking about the do you have the economics defined is economic catastrophe, or your great benefit of the ukraine war was to prove the other fact witness of the native organization when, when the soviet union crumbled in 1991, we should get those boys in the butt and said, we're taking the phone off the hook. you pay for your own defense from now. our now we're sucked into this. think you america. amazing. americans dying for it, for ukraine or, or for, for belgium. the use been a terrible trade part in the sense of now putting in the laws that require us to be as, as, as a work is they are. if we're going to deal with them my, my, my, my whole views are, is

a world view that sees america much less involved in military terms. and for an 8 terms in international government, national government terms and a return to the constitution, which would 1st of all rep changed around the president and stop over 50 almost 70 years now. the presidential made war. i don't know how many numbers of people graduate every year from your ivy league schools who are taught to oppose your views with a to vehemence because they believe the importance of imperial power is to use western europe in those areas. and what you're saying is the isolation isn't that is so dangerous. but on the other hand, do you think your time is that your view is actually becoming more widespread despite the censorship and the lack of a 1st amendment in your country, arguably well known as burning sir isaac warrants,

or people or the loan to it. and we've learned that the leadership of the elite in this country is worth was. the people who come out of harvard or, or, you know, they're not common sense people. they know nothing of the world except what they write in a book. they've never been out there and they never read the enemy. there was no seniors official over the entire experience of both some of the night states government that ever read anything he wrote or, or said, why? because it's not classified. and how could a guy in a, in a turbans in a row, in sandals paste play, do any threat to the united states. this is a government of the leads for the weeks. and you know what will happen. so i don't know what would happen, but if a big the time is short, sir, in your, in your favor. and i'll give me a, for

a actually strengthening us at giovanni power by actually becoming more isolation is, is that us to turn seems to be over iran attacks, regardless of the big us fleet. it was sent there. how do you explain the fact that we now live with the united states who's a military budget is i don't know how many times the, the top of the top 6 put together or something. you know, i'm, is truly ins. they spend. and yet no one's right into the united states anymore. oh wow. how can you be freaking when you have an want to or out of 40 or 50 of them since 1945. why be afraid of us? we're going to break up concrete, broken. not necessarily kill the civilians, and when it's time for us to be weary of it, we can go find a new place to invade. we go. and you think from sure before i just do the one thing. sorry. one thing i would say, sure is isolationist is a slower because what it means is anti semitic. and it's been that way since 1941.

when one member criticized jewish efforts to get us into the war. and from then on presentation is that it has been a slower and uh, an anti semitic sick dog. what do they call it? a dog with a non intervention is what we are. we don't need to be involved in other people's wars. what in the world we need to be involved in, for example, in the old days with northern ireland, i think when and the republican fire, there's none of our business a, the irish needed your weapons. i think they would say me the entities and they say to me, to be, say to that, to say to that, what if a trump doesn't win? i mean the actually just finding the on the media, do you think you should be frightened of the obvious bias and to tell a terry in media assisted living? is it just the terry media system in your country or doesn't that match or anymore? because most american people don't believe it anymore. what your tv channels and

use paper say it's hard to measure because pulling is, is pretty good. media is true. could. how do you know the senior year? you should rest. cassidy with us, is that if trump doesn't win, and they go ahead with things like the climate right. confusing children about gender going after christians going after conservatives? there are several 1000000 weapons in this country have been going over the last 2 in the hands of the people deliberately, by the founders to make sure that tyrus. i'd go wandering at some point off with a debt ducks the declaration. whatever else you do with the rice, dr. michael. sure. thank you. a pleasure sir. that's it for the show. i've continued condolences to those very value you as you are and genocide will be back with a brand new episode and sat there until then. keep in touch viral social media. if

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