is of course it was sunny and tripped in team with his sons and told him that he knows the place of his sons. and since then he resigned and to obviously the unfortunately has been hijacked. and the proof of that was after the war in syria. now in 2008, and this was a big scandal in syria that the, obviously the inspectors came and they concluded that the learning gas has not been used in the tumor incident. however, type part by speculation has happened. again, syria backed in by the u. k, the united states and france. however, the administration of the obviously w, they have dr. and changed the conclusions of the inspectors themselves and the researchers who were on the ground in syria. therefore, when we speak of the o, p c, w, we were speaking of a compromised organization. nowadays that can falsify a report against a server and country and justify if for an inclination. therefore,

if we want to put this in the greater context now in the war in ukraine, the allies of ukraine, they need further justifications in front of the people to further send funds to ukraine washer did previously report on ukrainian forces using prohibited substances. inbox. so, but there was no international investigation as yet to be any investigation. why the lapse of i p c. w over? so i the this is a very good question actually in april 2013, the steven army came on dirty clothing guys attack. and us even side cold for the obviously the way to, to send inspectors to the side effect chemical weapon attack happened. and who did it. however, the american center bridge the view towards this, and they said after 6 months of a delay, that they would send the un inspectors to check if they can make an attack happen. but not who did they can make an attack induced context. they will only use such

provocations and such instances in order to increase the whip and supplies to you. ok. however, in the ceiling case is because city it was a weaker side, in this case, and the smaller country they have conducted illegal air strikes against syria and on the false allegations. because later, if this has been proven to be completely false, in my opinion, i don't think that the americans, nathan evidence now in your plan, they kind of just get along with the allegations and they have the support of the o. p. c. w administration. in this case, who have seek out the, the researchers and the scientists who were dissenting after the 2018 others can make an attack in, in syria, who said that their findings were distorted. and they protested against the administration. but the administration has not met with them, not even one's after this into them. so i live the conclusion for you. this is

a rap on this alex choosing off t this monday. i'm next. we talked with a depth of hedge many the rise of multiplier tape and what and do especially will find himself in the world. it's lots to file right. enjoy the take a fresh look around his life. kaleidoscopic isn't just a shifted reality distortion by power to division with no real opinions. fixtures designed to simplify will confuse really once a better wills, and is it just as a chosen few fractured images presented to this 1st? can you see through their illusion going underground? can

the same rom just don't out because and engagement equals the trail. when so many find themselves boils, the parts we choose to look. so common ground, the i would rate my studios in fuck assigned as a perhaps the most exciting period of my career. i went to the soviet union when i came back it was collapsed into 15 bucks. so. so if my friends often hold me responsible for breaking into foreign policy needs to be named, sometimes you may need to make the point gently, sometimes,

forcefully. somewhere on perhaps 2008. then the us, you need for the moment ended in a was way. you don't have a global policeman telling you what to do. some countries come together from conversations on issues india, which has to be on the high table. india is an important voice. it cannot be not the hello and welcome my name is on. if i'm case they come to my shoulder for the next of an odd. we will discuss all these in the potter with a very special guest is a prominent diplomat and has subbed in various capacities, including as the high commissioner of to 5 years time and canada. they come, i do decide to do. thank you very much and have a great to be here. joey bossard you is a former indian diplomats with a career spending over 3 decades. he holds

a bachelor's degree in economics from the university of delhi and earned an m. b. a in calcutta. he later got his 2nd master's and public policy from princeton. his 1st posting was in moscow in 1988. mister resario has served as india as ambassador to poland. unless you amy, yet, he's also served as the high commissioner to canada. and as india is last high commissioner to pakistan with his tenure overseeing a particularly challenging period of relations between new delhi on this loan, about a job, a sorry, a speak several languages is an avid yogi. his 1st book was published earlier this year for you already wanting to be a diplomat. right. but 1st of all, great to be here. i've seen you in the movies so great to see you in person may have admired the movies and i often feel that the diplomats should learn acting because often you need to act in the global states. i think, you know, they do a good job. yeah. so, you know, i, i had it at the back of my mind the, i,

because my father was in the government. so i wanted to explore being in the government. i did do an m b i explored possibly doing advocate is. but then what attracted me to government and the ford service was to be part of the industry and to work on a logic canvas because i had a sense even early in my twenties that you know, the india story is going to be a good one. and it would be exciting to be part of india is join in a more direct way by being part of government. your 1st posted in the, in investing most good back in 1988. and since then you have an impressive could you? how is it like being that i believe you speak russian, i do, i do speak some russian and i in fact vent to my 1st posting in the phone service b r o blaze. it's mandatory to learn a foreign language and mine was russian. so i went to moscow university for

a year. my job was to learn the language, which i did not. you know, how much time did you learn language? it's an emotion course that we did. so in about 8 or 9 months my, i acquired a good deal of fluency and then we learned off the streets. so you know, you're in most in that background. so i did speak the language fairly read. so it was again, a very interesting time because i was posted in most cool, in my formative years in diplomacy from 1988 to 91. how many vehicles are you there in moscow? so i was the 3, you see, one of which i spent learning the language and the other 2, you know, looking at the embassy and the political being and the konami coming. and i went to the soviet union. when i came back, it was collapsed into 15 bucks, and so some of my friends often hold me responsible for breaking it up. i believe you bought incident, i will do the story behind it. i guess i just joys my parents. well,

they happened to be in senior good when i was born a so it was my father was an a transfer but the job and i was born in she no good because he was managing all india radio and as in india now and, and she and i go, so i was born there and it's so happened that i moved from bed to may at the age of 3, and i had no memories of, or seen or got and crush me. but i did go dad much later when i was already in service, so i couldn't go that to the terrorism is only in this century. i got an opportunity to revisit the place of my birth and the opinions before that. but and the politician inbox or spam no it, it so happened that my mother, as a child, ran to and state and little hard because my grandfather was posted there for a couple of years around 1942. so that was just her

experience in going to school in the heart and but the family belonged very much during the day, but from what the dish will do, the story they used to tell you of the independence partition of fuck this time. yes. so my mother had some very interesting stories to tell me, 1942. here's her a clear memory of the quick didn't get a moment. let me see, would see the processions of part of total. and she never heard about, the bucket stopped me because you know, the buckets on the holidays lucian had been boss and 1940, but it wasn't a big thing. so in the forty's in her stories, she hadn't really heard of this concept of focused on this. she had gone to right load india and her happiest memories was but of a trip. the family took to monday, the hidden station and they ran to up to abide and travelled over. so i often say that in, in the forty's,

this was the most integrated region in the world. you could travel from run going to all the way to the shower vape, no visas and a bay, but so it is about the family members that they could travel over this westland and then you became the i commissioner up in progress time. and then the most trouble with the times. in fact, that has been no, i commissioned enough to your daniel to how well you're dealing with it. yes. you know, so i would rate my to use in fucking sign of the. but that's the most exciting period of my career because, you know, working in a conflict environment is always a challenge and, but it's also very exciting and 3, there's many diplomatic possibilities. i was then a 2 years. and one of the better docs is a funding for an individual night and focused on me is that during the day there is a fairly low facility, but in the afternoon you could meet be meeting with diplomatic colleagues and then

there's a good deal of friendship. and in the evening of glasses of wine or risky, you are very friendly, right? with the common people or people who haven't got nothing to do with government. so that is a better dogs that did as a such a good deal of posterity. but also such a good deal of friendliness and this go to the affinity of speaking the same language, liking the same food and so on. so i think this bad adults defines a diplomat's role in focused on. i also went to a tough and hostile period and i think that as bad as some degree of creative diplomacy is required because even at a time when the host of government is very against your opinions government, you, some doors are open and do have quite conversations in quiet diplomacy and to understand

what is happening, what do you think is the basic problem of focused on with india? if you asked me to name one fact to me, i would say it's bucket stands, identity crisis. that while india, uh at, but very rapidly developed an identity, develop the constitution within 3 years of independence and had the benefit of leaders. but some continued to focus fund did not have the same good fortune. it's early leaders passed away. july died in 1940 the aid, cut the con, the 1st 5 minutes, the bust of a 1951 and focused on could not develop a constitution for itself too much later. so even it developed the constitution in 1956, but that was abrogated by 58. when are you a condo military dictator? to go? so the center problem became the capture of pakistan by the elite, in this case, the mealy,

who have captured the country and continued to rule it for all these tickets and have distorted what buck hassan could have become in my view. so i think this is a fundamental structural problem that focused on face that it became an abnormal country run by an army lead, which was intent on promoting its own interest rather than the interest of the people in yet. i would say that in the last few years, there has been no media that is at tech and the last 10 years to be very besides what has changed your be for us. you know, you would record from the ninety's that isn't became a major issue less impact on the eighty's for us than been job the ninety's and push me from the 2 thousands all the way and then we never had a very good on. so for that we would, you know, not react perhaps with force. and even after going nuclear in

1998 to it, even in 2008. india did not react strongly to the moment later. what has changed now is that we have a different bus show of active defense. there's certainly an effort to, to strengthen ourselves from within means, have strong counter infiltration. counterterrorism grades within your moving push me for instance, to prevent service from coming in, but also a pro active or active defense. but to which means you are willing to take the battle across the borders in hot pursuit of the status in 2016. the reacting to really, it was reinforced in 2019 when after the pl walmart deck, the biological a, strikes took place. so now here wasn't even do that is was setting up strategic deterrence or the governance against standard as an in the message was that if

there was incidents, so for a certain scale big place in deal with, again across the board to india. so for the focus on army, the policy of mounting terrorism, which was a low cost policy now became an expensive business, because now it was clear that if you launch in a deck, the retaliation should be, would be such that you, you could go to water. you could, would have to react, so they were the 2nd cost. and that certainly is part of the reason that there's been a dramatic drop in cross border terrorism. it's not been eliminated. it's taken on different funds, but there has been a significant drop. and i think that is an achievement of government results to address this question in a clear headed. why do you think the governments were not interested in the and advocating article to 70? when i think um, certainly for the beach it be, it was on the manifesto. it was on the cards. and it was certainly

a goal to be achieved. but even the b b a and the government could not achieve it in the early upsize in a bunch of these guys because it was in india, a government that was a coalition government. that was a coalition common minimum program of the india. and this was not a priority, but i think that was clarity even and watched by his mind. and uh, and in other lead his mind that once it would be a majority, it gave the opportunity to have optical $370.00 a aggregated. and i think it was a decision that was waiting for the moment that a party had a clear majority. and a clear strategy, i think integrating your mortgage mean was a very important move. and more than that, having the strategy of counterterrorism content information to ensure that off to

that article 370 moves, they would know blood shit on a large scale because as you would recall, there was a conversation that if i had to go 370 would be to move, they would be live as a black and english me, but none of that happens because it was well planned well executed. and i think the, by the benefit of hindsight of the last 5 years, certainly a successful policy both in terms of stabilizing the state to jim when crush me. and in terms of giving a clear answer to cross border terrorism. yeah, because i come from the same area and i feel that it is beneficial to the people of crush me. the business is i'm climbing into the infrastructure as has been yet, when are they going to 70 was able to, in the parliament, there was a total position from southern section of 50. i think it was a political conversation and that was a political move because article 370 was more of the move and it was more than just

a political move. it was also linked to security foreign policy. and i think it served all those interest me when we finally got it done. and i think now there is a reasonable consensus in the country that it was a good move. and that now we move to the next stage, perhaps of the healing touch. and you're moving crush me to rapidly moving towards stability and normally the sea. so that brings me to naturally so after this done parameters symbol david with the 2nd longest serving pm, a friend is this continued to good for india on the phone and policy point. it certainly is, we are now living in an age of a very turbulent, where much is changing into, well that is, that are conflicts that are uh, you know, i'm moving towards a model people attitude and therefore foreign policy needs to be named. so i think

this government has been successful in very nimbly negotiating the world and improving india is a half the end stature by mr. movie has external affairs minister jason good, who understands the game and plays it very well. and the personal chemistry that the prime minister himself enjoys with discontinued the that's a cut, all of the advantage of it that you'll develop. but still chemistry and personal relationships with will lead us. and that helps who was with added. totes that. now he's representing a 4 trillion dollars economy, with a huge kind of pest in the world, in economic terms. so for just as an example, the rest issue relationships in, in what is called the middle east, but the, you, we, but the vid. so there may be, those are some new innovations and in policy that the closeness of that

relationship codes in the in multiple moves. and you've said that in diplomats are more confident and the more the why do you feel that they represent the country that is more confident that they represent the country with the leadership is consistent, then giving a certain message uh to the, to the world, to the people and they have clear instructions and, and it helps that you know, in does on baba is growing in does have to such that india is voices heard on the high table below. believe whether you're talking about climate or trade or the global order or the g 20. so i think all that helps uh for a clear message to go to the diplomats to act with confidence and to be able to, uh, you know, represent the name to that is more confident in one of your opinion pieces you wrote about a multiple in india of wanting to be on the board,

how much it is for them and association. good already done that for that was i think he has and i think the india has because, you know, this process has gone on. i would argue, since the ninety's, because 90 is after the soviet union collapsed to be moved from a bipolar world to a uni polar world for the in the us was the on the act and down and some better on perhaps 2008. then the us, you need for the moment ended and we are moving towards a new order which might be multiple. and bingo is making the point that in the future as an aspiring power, we would like to be a potent. we wouldn't like a word of it, which slaps his back into being a bipolar what with china and russia outlined against the wrist? or uh, you know, a word bad in his voice is not good. and so i think we have been very active in terms of it taking the g 20 as an example. that is an organized a is

a body which tries to speak for the world in which economics matter, the economic major economies matter and essentially make the point that uh in, in this, uh, uh, well, the way it is going in the future. the major economies like india, need to have a strong se, uh, in the direction in which it as well. so how important are 4 months like big send this to you for the multiple of like, i think they are important. and i think what has happened in this most people are what is that you have new will formulation like big says seal and as i but so before those like i do, you do in, in rest issue and so on the board. so these are on a show based coalition, so they come together in a world where you don't have a global policemen telling you what to do. some countries come together every is uh,

you know, conversations on issues. no breaks, for instance, came together for a conversation on economic issues for the middle of the bible stuff. i mean, it was that it represented. so i think that is the kind of, uh, what would be the move to uh, the uh, countries we'll have issue based alliances. some of them the space, some of them will fade away. and we will question this word or 2 of which is presided over by the united nations, which we feel hasn't delivered enough in terms of providing peace since it go to the to the was so or done. it is really much. but we don't know which way it's hated, except that we know that india should have a say in the bottom, in this direction. good. now conducts or knowledge. so uh, open about his point of view is which makes us proud of. we never used to have somebody who would say, who we call a, we call them out is that's

a deliberate attempt to do that or a, it's a personality trait off of a problem. and is this, i think, i think it's a boat, it certainly represents the new india, which is making its point. yeah. so the world and it's a confident new india and therefore he is the voice often of that new india. and therefore he has to make the point about and as views and it's very difficult about it. absolutely. so sometimes you may need to make the point gently, sometimes, forcefully, sometimes in behind closed doors, sometimes publicly. so i think the, the point needs to be made and the broad, the point that is emerging is that india, which has to be on the high table india, is an important voice. it cannot be not. so the show is called list of products. where do you see in the, in the next decade? well, i think the india is moving in

a positive direction. the stated objective of india is to bring prosperity to its people, right? the we want to be a mix and part of that developed by that, developed in debt by 2047. and what does that mean? that essentially means we need growth. be ongoing at 6 to 8 percent feed. possibly want to grow and a blade of 8 to 10 percent and bring prosperity for a people and a folder and policy a will be oriented towards leveraging the will to facilitate this phase of india. and it will be a peaceful and benign race in asia, as, as compared to the village of in today's, of china. see me, but it will be something that would be good for the world. and i think good therefore, endeavors get more more partnerships, deeper partnerships, endeavor, engage, and a might be aligned, we with russia, with the best and power is with the board and maximize the economic benefits for

itself, but also be a forceful stability in the world. great. so what are your future plans? well, i've just written one book and i've been talking about it in different florida. and this is the book which included an angry men. and that's right. it's called anger management and it's been released this year. and it's, it's, it's essentially a story of the india pakistan relationship and in a sense, any hostile relationship, but door to the prism of diplomacy or from the eyes of diplomats, not just my experience isn't focused on, but also of my 20 for read this. i says, well, a high commission, those are investors from india to pakistan from 1947 to 2017. when i went, i hope the right to another. and i'm working as a corporate consultant that move to the private sector. so i'm having a lot of fun done with that. i'm did it take take you do like this book?

well i to me, i would say about 2 hours a day for 4 years. and because i have a to take book, it's $540.00 pages, and it's the amount of movie that i've done in for the i ran for the exactly. i see, i see that your, your uh, owner is much more impressive because, you know, each movie would have had a lot of blood for it and diaz is going into it. so, but, you know, i, i enjoyed the process of writing this book and researching it. of it multiple foot notes, i hope to write another one, and i'm also a distinguished fellow at the observer research foundation. so doing some research in trying to understand as well. now that i'm out of government, i'm at a distance, so it's good to look at the word from a distance and comment on it and then act and thank you and the size of it. thank

you. thank you very much. 0 my here and the thank you for watching to join me next week as we uncover newly in yet another debate. and let's talk about it. i'm on the phone kid would by the look forward to talking to you all that technology should work for people. a robot must obey the orders given it by human beings, except we're so shorter is that conflict with the 1st law show alignment of the patient. we should be very careful about our personal intelligence at the point, obviously is to great trust, rather than fear the job. i mean with the artificial intelligence, we have somebody with him in the robot must protect his phone. existence was on the

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