relocate to the north of the country by providing a buffer zone. this means that they will be engaged with hezbollah targets within the south. we understand that they've been engaging with one another over the course of the past week or so. but what makes this a little bit more alarming is that people within the country are also questioning the scope of this limited operation. to what extent are people going to remain safe? and this also suggests, i think, is really mandatory. we'll be focusing its forces in the seat as well as the latanya river was of course in and of itself, the strategic points throughout the country. but the a while the river is just as important as it gets used to provide a great deal of logistical support to different parts of the country with ease. and it seems that these really ministry is in a position to combat that as well moving forward. well, that is a rock for this out details and the story from plan to besides over now to come check it out and have a great week. the

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a sign of the perhaps the most exciting period of my career. i went to the soviet union when i came back, it was collapsed into 15 bucks. so so if my friends often hold me responsible for breaking it to a foreign policy, needs to be named. sometimes you may need to make the point gently, sometimes, forcefully. somewhere on perhaps 2000 me then the us, you only for the moment ended in a was where you don't have a global policeman telling you what to do. some countries comes to get the phone conversations on issues india, which has to be on the high table. india is an important voice. it cannot be not the to hello and welcome my name is on. if i'm kid ready, come to my shoulder for the next oven. on we will discuss all these in the potted with a very special guest is a prominent diplomat and has subbed in various capacities,

including as the high commission of to 5 years time and canada make i'm, i do decide to do. thank you very much. i hope i'm doing great to be here. joy bossard, you is a former indian diplomats with a career spending over 3 decades. he holds a bachelor's degree in economics from the university of delhi and earned an m. b, a in calcutta. he later got his 2nd master's and public policy from princeton. his 1st posting was in moscow in 1988. mister bas, sorry, it has served us in d as in foster to poland. unless you amy, yet, he's also served as a high commissioner to canada. and as india is last high commission to, to pakistan with his tenure overseeing a particularly challenging period of relations between you, daily and this alone about a jolly bossard. you speak several languages and isn't of it? yogi his 1st book was published earlier this year, where you always wanting to be a diplomat. right. but 1st of all, great to be here. i've seen you in the movies so great to see you in person may

have admired the movies and i often feel that the diplomats should learn acting because often you need to act in the global states. i think they all did do a good job. yeah. so, you know, i, i had it at the back of my mind the, i, because my father was in the government. so i wanted to explore being in the government. i did do an m b i explored, um, possibly doing advocate is. but then what attracted me to government and the part of the service was to be part of the in the story and to work on a logic canvas. because i had a sense even early in my twenties that do not be in good story, is going to be a good one. and it would be exciting to be part of in the as join in a more direct way. um, by being part of government, your 1st posted in the, in the messing most good back in 1988. and since then you have an impressive good idea of how is it like being that i believe you speak russian. i do,

i do speak some russian and i in fact vent to my 1st posting in the funding service . be artful blaise, it's mandatory to learn a foreign language and mine was russian. so i went to moscow university for a year. my job was to learn the language, which i did not. you know, how much time did you learn language? it's an emotion costs that we did. so it's about 8 to 9 months my i acquired a good deal of fluency and then we learned off the streets. so you know, you're immersed in that background so i did speak the language fairly read. so it was again, a very interesting time because i was posted in most cool and in my formative years in diplomacy from 1980 to 91. how many vehicle are you there in moscow? so i was the 3, you see, one of which i spent the learning, the language, and the other 2, you know, looking at the embassy and the political being and the konami coming. and i went to

the soviet union. when i came back, it was collapsed into 15 bucks. and so some of my friends often holding me responsible for breaking it up. i believe you bought incident, i've gotta go through the story behind it. i guess i just joys my parents when they happened to be in seen a good when i was born. so it was my father was in a transferable job and was born in she no good because he was managing all india radio and as in india now and, and she now goes, so i, i was born there. and it so happened that i moved from there to mom, but at the age of 3, okay. i had no memories of a senior guy and crush me, but i did go dad much later when i was already in service. so i couldn't go there to the terrorism is only in this century. i got an opportunity to revisit the place of my butt and your opinions before that then uh and the politician in fact,

this time. no, it, it so happened. that's my mother. as a child went and stayed in the hard because my grandfather was posted there for a couple of years around 1942. so that was just her experience in going to school in the heart. and but the family belonged very much during the day, but from what the dish will do, the story they use to get you off the independence partition off. fuck this time. yes. so my mother had some very interesting stories to tell me. 1942 is her a clear memory of the quick didn't get a moment, let me see, would see the processions of part of total. and she never heard about buck a stop me. because you know, the focused on the holidays or lucian had been boss in 1940, but it wasn't a big thing. so in the forty's in, in her stories, she hadn't really heard of this concept of focused on this. she had gone to right

loading and. busy her happiest memories was but of a trip. the family took to monday, the hidden station and they went to up to bob and traveled all over. so i often say that in, in the forty's, this was the most integrated region in the world. you could travel from run going to all over here to push out of it. no visas and a bay, but so it is about the family members that they could travel over this past land and then you became the i commissioner up in progress time. and then the most trouble with the times. in fact, that has been no, i commission enough to your tenure to how when you're dealing with it. yes. you know, so i would rate my, uh, 2 years and buck a sign of the, perhaps the most exciting period of my career because, you know, working in a conflict environment is always a challenge. and, but it's also very exciting. and 3 is many diplomatic possibilities. i was then

a 2 years and one of the better docs is a funding for an individual night and focused on me is that during the day there is a fairly low facility in the afternoon. you could meet, be meeting with diplomatic colleagues, and then there's a good deal of friendship. and in the evening of glasses of wine or risky, you are very friendly, right? with the common people or people who haven't got nothing to do with government. so that is a better docs that did as a such a good deal of the facility, but also such a good deal of friendliness and just go to the affinity of speaking the same language, liking the same food and so on. so i think this bad adults defines a diplomats rule impact this fun. i also went to a tough and hostile period. and i think that as bad as some degree of

creative diplomacy is required. because even at a time when the host of government is very against your opinions, government, you, some doors are open, do have quite conversations in quiet diplomacy and to understand what is happening . what do you think is the basic problem of focused on with india? if you asked me to name one fact to me, i would say it's focused on identity crisis. that while india at but very rapidly developed an identity, develop the constitution within 3 years of independence and had the benefit of leaders. but some continued to focus fund did not have the same good fortune. it's early leaders, boss, to be jan uh, died in $9048.00, cut the con. the 1st by missed the bus to be in 1951 and focused on could not develop a constitution for itself too much later. so even it developed the constitution in

1956, but that was abrogated by 58. when are you a condo military dictator? to go, so the center problem became the capture of pakistan by the elite, in this case, the immediately who has captured the country and continued to rule it for all these tickets and have distorted what focused on could have become in my view. so i think this is a fundamental structural problem that focused on face that it became an abnormal country run by an army lead, which was intent on promoting its own interest rather than the interest of the people in yet. i would say that in the last few years, it has been no media that is at tech in the last 10 years to be very besides what has changed, you'll be for us, you know, you would record from the ninety's that isn't became a major issue less impact on the eighty's for us than been job the ninety's and

crush me from the 2 thousands all the way and then we never had a very good on. so for that, we would, you know, not react perhaps with force. and even after going nuclear in 1998 to it, even in 2008, india did not react strongly to the moment later. what has changed now is that we have a different bus show of active defense. there's certainly an effort to, to strengthen the says from within which means have strong counter infiltration counterterrorism grades. within your more interest me, for instance, to prevent detritus from coming in, but also a proactive or active defense bus 2. which means you are willing to dig the battle across the borders in hot pursuit of the state or in 2016. the reacting to read. it was reinforced in 2019 when after the pl walmart deck, the biological a,

strikes took place. so now, here wasn't even do that is was setting up a strategic deterrence or the governance against it, or is it the message was that if there was incidents, so for a certain scale take place, india will again cross the border and react. so for the focused on me, the policy of mounting terrorism, which was a low cost policy now became an expensive business, because now it was clear that if you launch in attack, be retaliation should be, would be such that you, you could go to water. you could, would have to react, so there was a 2nd cost. and that's certainly spot of the reason that there's been a dramatic drop in across the border terrorism. it's not been eliminated. it's taken on different funds, but there has been a significant drop. and i think that is an achievement of government results to

address this question in a clear headed right. why do you think the governments were not interesting the, and advocating article to 70 when i think um, certainly for the beach it be, it was on the manifesto. it was on the cards and it was certainly going to be achieved. but even the b, b a n d, a government could not achieve it in the early of size and advisory these guys because it was in india, a government that was a coalition government. that was a coalition common minimum program of the india. and this was not a priority, but i think that was clarity even in watched by his mind. and uh, and in other lead his mind. so that one's state would be a majority. it gave the opportunity to have optical, $370.00 a aggregated. and i think it was a decision that was waiting for the moment that a party had a clear majority and

a. busy strategy, i think integrating your mortgage mean was a very important move and more than that, having the strategy of counterterrorism. content infiltration to ensure that off to that article 370 moves, they would know blood shit on a large scale because as you would recall, there was a conversation that if i to go 370 would be to move, they would be live as a black and english me, but none of that happens because it was well planned, real executed. and i think the by the benefit of hindsight of the last 5 years, certainly a successful policy both in terms of stabilizing the state of dom one cost me. and in terms of giving a clear answer to cross border terrorism. yeah, because i come from the same area and i feel that it has beneficial to the people of crush me. uh the business is i'm climbing into the infrastructure as has been

yet, when are they going to 70 was able to in the parliament, there was a total position from southern section of. yeah, i think it was a political conversation and that was a political move because article 370 was more of the move and it was more than just a political move. it was also linked to security foreign policy. and i think it served all those interest me when we finally got it done. and i think now there is a reasonable consensus in the country that it was a good move. and that now we move to the next stage, perhaps of the healing touch and india moving crush me to rapidly moving towards stability and normal seat. so that brings me the next russian officer. this done parameter. some of the with the 2nd longest serving pm offend, is discontinued, the good for india and the phone and policy point. it certainly is,

we are now living in an age of a very turbulent, where much is changing into, well that is, that are conflicts that are, you know, i'm moving towards a multi polarity and therefore foreign policy needs to be named. so i think this government has been successful in very nimbly negotiating the world and improving india is have the end stature by mr. more the has the external affairs minister, jason good, who understands the game and plays it very well. and the personal chemistry that the prime minister himself enjoys with this continued the that's a cut all of the advantage of it that you'll develop. but still chemistry and personal relationships with will lead us and that helps who is with annotated step . now he's representing a 4 trillion dollars economy with a huge kind of pest in the world, in economic terms. so for just as an example, the rest issue relationships in,

in what is called the middle east, but the, you, we, but the bit. so there may be, those are some new innovations and in policy that the closeness of veteran lation ship kits, india in multiples. and you've said that in diplomats are more confident and the more the why do you feel that they represent the country that is more confident that they represent the country where the leadership is consistent, then giving a certain message uh to the, to the world, to the people, and they have clear instructions and, and it helps that you know, and goes on by what is growing in does have to such that india's voice is heard on the high table globally. whether you're talking about climate or trade, or uh, the global order or the g 20. so i think all that helps uh for a clear message to go to the diplomats and to act with confidence and to be able to

uh, you know, represent the name to that is more confident in one of your opinion pieces you wrote about a month, people avoid and india of wanting to be on the board. how much it is for them and association. good already done that for that one. i think he has and i think the india has because, you know, this process has gone on. i would argue since the ninety's, because ninety's after the soviet union collapsed to be moved from a bipolar world to a unit for the world for the in the us was the on the act and down and some better on perhaps 2008 in the us, you only pull a moment ended and we are moving towards a new order which might be multiple. and india is making the point that in the future as an aspiring power, we would like to be a potent. we wouldn't like a word of image slap says back into being

a bipolar what with china and russia outlined against the wrist? or uh, you know, a word bad in his voice is not good. and so i think we have been very active in terms of for a, taking the g 20 as an example. that is an organized a is a body which tries to speak for the world in which economics matter, the economic major economies matter and essentially make the point that uh in, in this uh, well the way it is going into future. the major economies like india, need to have a strong se, uh, in the direction in which it as well. so how important enough all much like bricks and s c o for them like people of like, i think they are important and i think what has happened in this most people are what is that you have new will formulation like big says seal designated for but so before those, like i do, you do in,

in rest issue and so on the board. so these are all issue based coalition. so they come together in a world where you don't have a global policemen telling you what to do. some countries come together, every is uh, you know, a phone conversation than issues. no breaks, for instance, came together for a conversation on economic issues for the middle of our stuff. i mean, it was that it represented. so i think that is the kind of, uh, what would be the move to uh, the uh country is we'll have issue based alliances. some of them the space, some of them will fade away. and we will question this world, or the which is presided over by the united nations, which we feel hasn't delivered enough in terms of providing peace as a go to the, to the world. so or done, it is really much, but we don't know which way it's hated. except that we know that india shouldn't have us in the re uh for the minister. josh,

i'm good. now conduct or knowledge so open about his point of view is which makes us proud of. we never used to have somebody who would say, who we call a we call them out is that's a deliberate attempt to do that. or it's a personality trait off of a photo minister. i think i think it's a boat. it certainly represents the new india, which is making its point. yeah. to the world. and it's a confident new india and therefore it, he is the voice often of that new india. and therefore he has to make the point about in his views and is very articulate about it. absolutely. so sometimes you may need to make the point gently, sometimes, forcefully, sometimes in behind closed doors, sometimes publicly. so i think the, the point needs to be made and the broad, the point that is emerging is that india,

which has to be on the high table india, is an important voice. it cannot be not to the suicide call. let's talk about it. where do you see in the, in the next decade? well, i think the india is moving in a positive direction. the stated objective of freedom to is to bring prosperity to its people. right? the we want to be a big part of that developed by that developing debt by 2047. and what does that mean? that essentially means we need growth. be ongoing at 6 to 8 percent feed. possibly want to grow and a blade of 8 to 10 percent and bring prosperity for our people and our phone and policy will be oriented towards leveraging the will to facilitate this phase of freedom. it will be a peaceful and benign race in asia, as compared to the belligerent tries of china see me, but it will be something that would be good for the world. and i think good

therefore endeavor to get more more partnerships, deeper partnerships in do you have a, uh, engage and a might be aligned, we with russia, with the best and power is with the board and maximize the economic benefits for itself, but also be a force for stability underwood. great. so what are your future plans? well, i've just written one book and i've been talking about it in different florida. and this is the book which includes an angry men. and that's right. it's called anger management and it's been released this year. and it's, it's, it's essentially a story of the india pakistan relationship and in a sense, any hostile relationship, but door to the prism of diplomacy or from the eyes of diplomats, not just my experience isn't focused on, but also of my 20 for read this. i says, well, a high commission, those are investors from india to pakistan from 1947 to 2017 when ever and

i hope the right to another. and i'm working as a corporate consultant that move to the private sector. so i'm having a lot of fun done with that. i'm did it take, take your do like this book? well i to me, i would say about 2 hours a day for 4 years. and because i have a to take the book, it's 540 pages, and it's the amount of movie that i've done in for the i ran a 40. exactly. i see. i see where your, your, uh, over is much more impressive because, you know, each movie would have had a lot of, uh, lots for it and diaz is going into it. so, but, you know, i, i enjoyed the process of writing this book and researching it. of multiple foot notes, i hope to write another one, and i'm also a distinguished fellow at the observer research foundation. so doing some research

in trying to understand this. well, now that i'm out of government, i'm at a distance, so it's good to look at the word from a distance and comment on it. the active list. thank you and the sides of it. thank you. thank you very much. 0 my here and a thank you for watching to join me next week as we uncover newly in yet another debate. and let's talk about it. i'm on the phone, kid would by the the hello and welcome to the cross stuff full force. here we discuss the wheel in

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