the, the climax sooner it tends to welcome back to going underground, broadcasting all around the world from the u. a. e. today marks one year since the palestinian resistance launched operation. alexa, flood of to decades is really a positive that the cleansing and brutal occupation is re allow him to the teeth with u. s. u k. u weapons. and encouraged to carry out self defense in return carried out to genocide, perhaps hundreds of thousands of palestinians and garza, mostly women and children, have been slaughtered. today's guest is doctor michael. sure. a former c. i a officer who spent 22 years in the agency where he led the kinds of terrors, incentives been non station. and honestly,

all the best selling imperial hoover is where he argued that washington's meddling cause the very terrorism, if claimed to fight today through his website don't intervention and is called costs of national security. a. and to mike's doctor sure continues to tear apart the narrative of justifying us interventions abroad. he joins me now from virginia, a dr. insurance, thank you so much for coming on its a day of anniversaries today and 21 the us to begin its longest war in history before the data been defeated. it 20 years later. again, this done, it's the 84th anniversary of the me. mccollum memo bought of the f d. a conspiracy to provoke japan, to attack the usa. and of course it's also one year since i'm ok. i'm us broke the siege of god. who is play and playing. who is the israel playing a mentally ill, a genocide, joe? or is it by design the that a valid zion? this like bible move back to killing and 11 in mass killing of said dominican begun

is megan recalled. he didn't care how many children were killed in lebanon. blink. and, of course, is a, brought up by a robot maxwell's concrete deal. and lawyer, is it by design, is the united states playing israel and it and yeah, it was nothing you know, blank, but no, i think it's exactly the 2nd sir. i think if you look at the congress, i think in history, there has never been a 4 and legislature owned by another country as completely as the american congress is by. these really is not directly always by these realities. it's through their bluster and their demands that they, they get involved. but the american geography, if you will, is loaded with pro is rarely organizations like the anti defamation league, the southern poverty law center, a guy pack and i'm told numbers of jewish millionaires.

there's a trump took a $100000000000.00 from a woman, a jewish woman who lives in las vegas. mary, i'm, we're hearing aid also. yes. sales. and i don't know if there's 2 or in the casino address as a casino, we do. yes. yes, that's exactly right. but no, since 1948 we've been on lock stock and barrel ideas. really have advertising either. you were in the c, i a in the kinds of terror unit years. yeah. yeah. oh it's everybody is, you know, it doesn't quite work like that. many of these congressmen who knows actually have children serving in the us, um forces that are now under a that being targeted right now. perhaps obviously they're threatening and interest stipend. their stipend is sufficient to stop them worrying or less than they're worried about their children. and there's not so many of their children anymore. it's mostly, as you know, illegal immigrants, minorities, of all kinds that came to get a job. the, the, the america is not what it was

a 20 years ago, live alone, 50 years ago. but since or since truman took money to run your 1948 election from jewish americans, that has been a study of to climb toward owning the congress and the media. it's, it's, it's, that's just the way it is. and this countries are those honest organizations. i just mentioned to you are now employed, gaining uh data about american conservatives and christians. so when the time comes to round them up, they give the information to the api. i imagine they're on a retainer from the f b i. and they'll have information about where to go to find people maybe like me who are a little bit unhappy with the way foreigners are interfere in our business. so they should basically all register as far as the agents of israel. then all work for the united states added at a minimum. i think they should be close down myself. i don't think we have to put

it up as a nation state with the presence of, of malign for an actors. whether they're registered or not. you know, america is a pretty simple place. our on our, our 1st president said we needed to avoid avoid entanglements with other nations. why we don't want to be in their wars. but 2nd, in over funding is for any for and country will make it hard for people who oppose that particular bilateral relationship to, to oppose it publicly. indeed, those who oppose will become identified as the enemy. so in a thing called the farewell address by general washington, i mean, you know why i ask whether it's by design because often you hear from these talking heads and pundits who are a coach no doubt by this a military industrial complex. that is both as you say by israel, they say, oh, but it's so important to have this base in this oil rich energy strategic region.

then they give us intelligence. that's useful. hey, i understand from your memoir that when you were at the c, a u. s. e once got some useful intelligence from israel. yes, in the 4 years, little bit more than 4 years, i ran a reparations against to some of the line and we got one peaceful, one piece of useful information. and i asked permission to share with people on the ground because it involved the risk to people. and we're the, the as rarely told us no. and i shared it any way and it happened to have a positive impact. so i didn't get fired or suspended, or anything for the uh, you know, a sending our, our masters. but now we have cases of, uh, of uh, service men and women in your country. uh, apparently trying to get in z. the relatives, uh, one thing to be rescued from the catastrophe of hurricane helen,

which is the effect of north carolina, south carolina, georgia, tennessee, florida during virginia, 100 dead more than a 100 dead 100 aliens without power. and so on genocide, joe had no problem saying no federal aid while giving 9000000000 to israel. and i don't know how many billions to zelinski had. do you think uh, the full focus now really of the dying days of this administration then is to is to aid the nothing. yahoo, i understand that is destroyed as in the red sea, was it always it measuring you were helping of trying to come back and kill the retaliatory massage from around? i imagine that's the case here. we have a big part of our atlantic fleet over there at the moment. we also have in both the ukraine and israel. i know numbers of american troops on the ground.

certainly, as they've been there for any length of time, we've had casualties in the american people haven't never, never told a officially that they're there and be no announcements of any casualties ever been, have ever been made in this country. and either these really front or the, or the zalinski front. and so what are they doing here? they course in parents to keep their mouth shred weren't what's, what's going on there. i wonder if we are fighting probably the 30th war since 1945. which and we've lost everyone to extraordinary disasters in afghanistan and iraq. vietnam korea are usually utterly unconstitutional wars for which each present an entire and should have been indicted or at least uh, what do they call it impeached? there is no, there is no law for warmer warfare making in the united states these days. we

didn't, we didn't provide in the cash the tuition for a warrant word. we provided for our president. and only congress has been able to is able to declare war in turn. they on constitutionally delegated that duty to the president for political reasons. if the warrant goes well, they can say who re, we helped. if it goes belly up, they condemn the president from here to sunday. it's a, it's a crooked, unconstitutional system that has killed hundreds of thousands of americans. and who knows how many foreign peoples since 1945, it's a disgrace. it's illegal. it is. it is a, it is a crime against the country it and it is running our economy. i want to have to add those where the death tools maybe uh right now in syria and iraq, you as interest there. but, you know, you were at the c, i a, a surely thousands of your former colleagues,

thousands of your successes working this massive security state would resign on mass. i. they pledge to all of the constitution if that if what you were saying was true. well, you think so, what do you, what they hire for me they hire from elite universities. and that started 20 years ago. how come you know? so different are different because i, i'm not smart enough to keep my mouth shut. and i'm his story by trade. and if you don't know where are you, where you're not going to know where you're going. and that's exactly where we are . now we, we roll from in reading a place like grenada to input and reading. afghanistan, rac, somalia, libya the number i think i'd be korea in the fifty's. it doesn't. this was not a country, it was not a constitution made for war. is roosevelt got us into world war 2 by,

by beating the japanese. it has been an i'm ending series with a few exceptions of warning, or it's not presidents. well, do you agree then? and maybe maybe you don't normally agree with. lexi a boss is. but leon, vanessa who succeeded your c. i a boss who is your stand it off to put it goes and michael hated. he said that the most ad page, your attack on lebanon, which killed the man wounded, thousands children, women discriminate was a terror attack. do you agree with him that he said that and why do you think someone like me on vanessa would say that about? yeah, well for what you're saying, the great, the manufacturer of your politicians in congress is around the the, it struck me is very unusual thing for him to say. certainly from the american perspective, it was a terrorist operation. we're not officially engaged in that war. it is much

a terrorist operation as the vaccines were, and it's the same thought. you put them into somebody and then they get kill later . you had them as a hand of a big prize. you know, i think this goes out on social media and you know, the levels of sense of ship know, specific teeth with big pharmaceutical companies. so i'll just say that that's a particularly controversial view. but with the u. s. a being involved in the supply chain, the kind of interference, or is that something that you read as possible operations when you're at the c i a and do they don't realize the blowback, they don't realize or blow back as they congratulated a b as riley's on that operation, the blinded children and the mud doctors and nurses in the hospitals in bay route. you have to understand sort of the, there's the agency and then there's the 7th floor, which is the director and all of his minions. their concern is to keep these release, happy. used to be a pair pair of countries, the saudis,

and these really when i was there, if you had a piece of information or in the, in the saudis, or the use relays would get wind of it. and they wanted it, they would contact the agency and if the agency decided it couldn't be shared, they just call the white house. the agency would then get a call from the white house and the information would be shared with those 2 countries. dr. michael? sure, i'll stop you that more from the former chief of the c i as been log and station after this, right? the what is a part of the employee would posted isn't the defense you of us and building the word part? is it something deeper, more complex might be present?

let's stop without cases. let's go out of the are doing on august, the 6 ukrainian troops across the border and the launch the full scale and caution that the rest as cost region. we could, we could, so we put into it focusing there, offensive on subjects battelle, near the border. the soldier, the scope was to several settlements with seized. this, the thing is we're also so special model, the commercial subsidy ellipse video. web studio with russian troops moved out to the battles in counterterrorism. operation regime was imposed and the course for

the odds can funds they'll go out. regents from a farm really, really good reward enough for part of that invoice, reflects promoting them as the level of support and canceled deals with a very close the loop listed in the study, the whole go back to going underground. i'm still here with the host of the national security our and to mike spoke us the actually i a officer delta michael. sure. i don't the show you were talking about the impact and power of the israel lobby. but you know that, i mean, quite apart from the critics who was a stump blaming the jews designed as jews. they use a useful list to us empire power and had demonic power for the rest of the world. and particularly strategic place has to be in constant k o, as in tom, while,

so the u. s. can get home with it. not least for the u. s. corporations that benefit from regions in the global south. so what do you think about that? i mean, i keep coming back to this idea that actually jake sullivan and add to the blinking . i'm not as stupid or as venal as you seem to be making out. it will be a did they could when the guy office we in defense contract is after they leave all the if you look at american foreign policy since since 1945, what is it gotten us, but wars a masses of people including most most lives. now, sadly, who don't like us very much we, we, we are, but by what is the highest gdc in the world, the know by p b anymore? that's china, but you know, is it's 45 and the glory is of the seventy's and sixty's with the social contract, with the american people and so forth. a, that's good for us to be for entered into way. and not only idiots,

things like wars, but the mass of money we're spending on the climate change fraud. you know, what in the world is, is wrong with people. you know, if you can, all, you know, 5 grade school. if you take c o 2 out of the air, everything guys in your life, i think there's more to that. and there's a lot of money to be made. clearly, lot of money to be made clearly out of the colonizing, speaking of which obviously that's a trump trump line back. do you think i know that there was a lot of us go mainstream media criticism when you quoted the 17th century revolutionary as regards the need to have with the attorney. do you believe that the there are forces in the united states co but the trying to kill the most, who certainly he was at that point before. uh, biden stopped being the presidential candidate. suddenly the most popular uh, candidate for november. donald trump. i think there is

a number of people that somebody said there were 5 teams out there, but i would bet that they were all all related to the democratic party and the bureaucracy. your ronnie is, are not stupid people. they have their hands full at the moment, with the binding ministration in the you. why are you your believe that line? or you say many people were shocked of a donald trump, who previously took on like pompeo. rather than draining this, rob swamp added to this, well, maybe the, perhaps a was swamp in history, you know persecuted, julian assigns, and all the rest of it is just being fed. this is ron line, which is neat for his miriam adults and millions. yes. but it's also neat because if they, if they uh, do kill him and they blame it on the iranians were off to work with around in the military. industrial complex, which you mentioned is already gaining hundreds of millions and billions of dollars out of what they're giving to zalinski and probably to the is really is to so it's

a, it's a, it's a, it's a close circle. it's a patter and you can watch it happened and you cannot call it out. but the democrats, you know, they, they have, and t for they have black lives matter. they have this guy who was apparently working for the agency in, in uh um, you know, i've called black spots. they're obviously elements of it and it was hijacked some say by those forces because they found it useful to do so. but then specifically, when you were at the c, i a, you didn't see or was it not really part of your big nod station to see documents that did things like that in developing countries all within the united states. i mean, this guy is not even supposed to operate in the united states. this is the f b, i correct. this is the f b i who is this? oh yeah, yeah, i the, the, i is the world's greatest counter terrorism actually as long as they can follow

their patter. which is 1st to find a pretty dumb was and convince him that he has to die for allah and get a team of people that will go ahead and do that. and then they send him out and he gets it some dumber muslims to come along with him. then the f. b, i promise is some arms and explosives show up on the given day and there is a f b i in there, yellow rain jackets with the i swear to crossing, proclaiming another victory into the price. ready that was never a threat. that's counterterrorism for the f b i. and so you think that it is quite possible that there are forces in there that would sort of turn the assassinations into something that would benefit israel, assassination attempt something, some something that would benefit the democratic party and the permanent bureaucracy. that's who is after trump, your audience may go after on for solely mind at some point,

but there's lots of time. they don't need another. uh, uh, they don't need a super power. what's left? i don't know. i mean, i'll give them the iran would prefer donald trump, because nothing can be worse than the joe biden, who is of capitalizing war throughout the region. don't you think? i mean, that's, uh, seems to be more. i think the, the least thing america has to worry about are those 5 teams. they may killed trump there, but they'll get caught. but what they have to worry about is if they go ahead with the stuff that they've been planning with the new world order, with the world economic forum, with empowering the u. n. to be a separate, it's secretary general to be the word of the like i know you talked to you most of x colleagues from the agency. so argument is still friends. they don't think that you're just talking like a crazy person. you know, they do, they don't know our history. they think police in grateful, sir for the history is that have you written some of it? i mean, the history is clear, the history is there right in,

but i didn't have any influence except that it was pretty warmly received. and you just want people a bio summit. but that's not the point. the point is, this country's funding on certain principles and when you stop following them, you end up what you have at the moment. at unrelenting, interventionist, aggressive work, fair machine led by award or not by a president. you have a congress that supports every more than you can see. the last time we had any opposition to award was largely during that now. and that was another waste of 50000 american lives. my argument is just, we don't intervene in places and we don't joining alliances. we don't joined any kind of internet, them get rid of the us out of this country. how many do you think the best thing that could happen is a puts in ends the war and ukraine decisively to? yes, rather than, i mean, i mean, for the united states,

it might not be for western europe or for russia, but it is the patient a slow campaign by russian forces, deliberate. those areas of, uh, uh, so the russians would say, no, i'd see buds of ukraine. it's too slow for those who support democracy in the united states. but it's what democracy we have left. there's even less less and you left in europe compared to what there was 20 years ago. they're proposing your all different kinds of sense, which i'm not even thinking about the do you have the, you could almost find is you can only catastrophe or your the great benefit of the ukraine war was the foot proves the other. spect listeners of the native organization when, when the soviet union crumbled in 1991, we should get those boys in the butt and said, we're taking the phone off the hook. you pay for your own defense from now. i now

were sucked into this thing to america. imagine americans dying for it, for ukraine or, or for, for belgium. the use been a terrible trade part in the sense of now putting in the laws that require us to be as, as, as a work is they are. if we're going to deal with that my, my, my, my whole views are, is a worldview that sees america much less involved in military terms in, for an 8 terms in international government, national roles, government terms, and a return to the constitution, which would 1st of all wrapped, changed around the president in stop, over 50, almost 70 years now, presidential made war. i don't know how many numbers of people graduate every year from your ivy league schools who are taught to oppose your views with

a to vehemence because they believe the importance of imperial power is to use western europe in those areas. and what you're saying is the isolation isn't that it's so dangerous. but on the other hand, do you think you're really, that is your view is actually becoming more widespread despite the censorship and the lack of a 1st amendment in your country, arguably well wrong. my name is burning, sir isaac warrant, or people are the loan to it. and we've learned that the leadership of the elite in this country is worthless. the people who come out of harvard are, are, you know, they're not common sense people. they know nothing of the world except what they write in a book. they've never been out there and they never read the enemy. there was no seniors official over the entire experience of both some of the united states government that ever read anything he wrote or said, why? because it's not classified. and how could a guy in a, in a turbans in a row,

in sandals case play, do any threat to the united states. this is a government of the leads for the weeks. and you know what will happen? so i don't know what would happen, but if a big the time is short in your, in your favor. and i'll give me a, for a actually strengthening us, had you, monique power, by actually becoming more isolation is, is that us to turn seems to be over iran attacks, regardless of the big us fleet. it was sent there. how do you explain the fact that we now live with the united states whose military budget is? i don't know how many times the, the, so the other top 6 put together or something, you know, most trillions they spend. and yet no one's frightened of united states anymore. oh wow. how can you be framing when you're having one or more out of 40 or 50 of them

since 1945. why be afraid of us? we're going to break up concrete, broken, not necessarily kill the civilians. and when it's time for us to be weary of it and we can go find a new place to invade. we go and you think from sure before i didn't do the one thing. sorry. the only thing i would say, sure is isolationist is a sure, because what it means is anti semitic, and it's been that way since 1941. when one member criticized jewish efforts to get us into the war. and from then on basically isn't, isn't. it has been a slower and an anti semitic sing. dog. what do they call it? a dog with a non intervention is what we are. we don't need to be involved in other people's wars. what in the world that we need to be involved in, for example, in the old days with northern ireland, i think when and, and the republican party are just kind of our business a, the irish needed your weapons. i think they would say me the entities and they say

to me, to be, say to that, to say to that, what if uh trump doesn't win. i mean, the actually just finding the on the media, do you think you should be frightened of the obvious bias and to tell a darian media system? i mean, is it just the terry media system in your country? what doesn't matter anymore? because most american people don't believe it anymore. what your tv channels and use babe say yeah, it's hard to measure because pulling is, is true. could media is true, could how do you know the senior year you should rest. custody with us is that if trump doesn't win and they go ahead with things like the climate right. confusing children about gender going after christians going after conservatives? there are several 1000000 weapons in this country have been going over the last 2 in the hands of the people deliberately, by the founders to make sure that tyrus. i'd go wandering at some point off with

the dead ducks the declaration. whatever else you do with the rice. ok, michael. sure. thank you. a pleasure sir. that's it for the show. i've continued condolences to those very value you as you are and genocide will be back with a brand new episode inside there until then. keep in touch my role as social media, if it's not sensitive in your country and i do i channel going on the runs, you've been rumble, they'll come to us and you know, the episodes of going underground sees have the, the same just don't have to shape

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