when the us wants to send to you, it will find the way the united states, united kingdom and canada are launching a, launching a joints diplomatic campaign to riley allies and partners around the world. to join us in addressing the threat posed by r, t, and other machinery of russian, this information and corporate influence. we urge every, every partner to start by treating ortiz activities as they do other intelligence activities by russia within their borders. for those still standing on social media, the us to press could be out to get you to hillary clinton wants to start a criminal crack down on those. considered to be spreading misinformation ahead of next month's presidential election. i think it's important to indict the russians just as muller indicted a lot of russians who were engaged in uh, direct election interference. and boosting trump back in 2016. but i also think there are americans who are engaged in this kind of propaganda

and whether they should be civilly or even in some cases criminal. a charge is something that would be a better deterrent russia blaine to get. but her remarks were obviously directed home grown americans, otherwise known as potential from support has come on. you don't have to read between the lines, say, she wants the us government to be in control. and that includes who decides what is real or north when it comes to information and opinion. well, you know, felice, it kind of already does mess as much as the book has admitted this in 2021. senior officials from the biden administration, including the white house, repeatedly pressured, our teams for months to censor certain cove and 19 content, including humor and satire, and expressed a lot of frustration with our teams. when we didn't degree, i believe the government pressure was wrong. while the us government is still able

to put the squeeze on some, the legacy media has started flopping around, realizing its lost, its control. we own to use, we with the gatekeepers, and we very much of the facts as well. nowadays, people can go to all sorts of different sources for the use and so much more questioning about what we're saying and why are they so up in arms? because you only do that someone else could have. influence is scary as hell to them. take talk is able to collect massive amounts of personal data. we all know that that means it could if it desired to use this data to influence narratives and trends, create misinformation. campaigns, encourage self destructive behavior. purposely allowed drug cartels communicate freely and organize human and drug trafficking and it was there, all social media companies could do that. here's the difference. it is only tech tock that is controlled by the chinese communist party. all these other social media companies are not. this is not just a security concern, but the united states, canada, australia, new zealand,

written europe and union have all are here, but he checked all of our government phones because of fear of being spied. but i don't think we should sit by and allow a and effect a media presence that is 5 or 10 x the size of m p r to potentially be broadcast in chinese propaganda is in an election to talk is repeatedly chosen the path for more control more surveillance and more manipulation to your platform should be banned. how the internet has changed things. a world wide resource west people can pick and mix the news, watch live stream, videos of events as they transpired, and make the mines up. don't be split inside a government to prove point of view in the new segments as george old well, one set who controls the past controls the future. who controls the present controls the past? the stop realization, the best control is slipping away,

is sounding the alarm. bells of the top one percent, and they will do anything to get it back. always good savvy account today, we've got the latest episode of let's talk about as of next on all the international. i'm going to use make sure you're doing it again at the top of the season. the i would rate my studios and bucket sign of the perhaps the most exciting period of my career. i went to the soviet union. when i came back, it was collapsed into 15 bucks so so if my friends often hold me responsible for breaking into foreign policy needs to be named. sometimes you may need to make the

point gently, sometimes, forcefully somewhere on perhaps 2008. then the us, you need for the moment ended in a world where you don't have a global policeman telling you what to do. some countries come to get the phone conversations on issues india, which has to be on the high table. india is an important voice. it cannot be the to hello and welcome my name is on. if i'm can they come to my shoulder for the next oven? i. we will discuss all these in the part of me. the very special guest is a prominent diplomat and has subbed in various capacities including as the high commission of to 5 years time and canada. they come, i decided to do. thank you very much. i hope of the great to be here. joy, bas, sorry, a is a former indian diplomats with a career spending over 3 decades. he holds

a bachelor's degree in economics from the university of delhi and earned an m. b, a in calcutta. he later got his 2nd master's and public policy from princeton. his 1st posting was in moscow in 1988. mister bas, sorry, a has served as n d as in foster to poland. let you in. yeah. he's also served as the high commissioner to canada and those india is last high commissioner to pakistan with his tenure overseeing a particularly challenging period of relations between new delhi on this loan about a jelly bossard speak several languages. and isn't of it? yogi, his 1st book was published earlier this year, were you always wanting to be a diplomat? right, but 1st of all, great to be here. i've seen you in the movies so great to see you in person may have admired the movies and i often feel that diplomats should learn acting because often you need to act in the global states. i think the all the do a good job. yeah. you know, i, i had it at the back of my mind the, i,

because my father was in the government. so i wanted to explore being in the government. i did do an m b i explored possibly doing advocate is, but then what attracted me to government. and the ford service was to be part of the, in the story and to work on a logic canvas because i had a sense even early in my twenties that you know, the, in the story is going to be a good one. and it would be exciting to be part of in the, as you, i mean a more direct way by being part of government your 1st posted in the, in invest in march. good back in 1988. and since then, you have an impressive could you, how is it like being that i believe you speak russian, i do, i do speak some russian a and i in fact event my 1st posting in the foreign service, b, r o bly, agents mandatory to learn a foreign language and mine was russian. so i went to my school university for

a year. my job was to learn the language, which i did not. you know, how much time did you learn language? it's an emotion costs that we did. so it's about 8 to 9 months my i acquired a good deal of fluency and then we learned off the streets. so you know, you're immersed in that background so i did speak the language fairly read. so it was again, a very interesting time because i was posted in most cool, and in my formative years in diplomacy from 1988 to 91, how many vehicle you did in moscow? so i was the 3, you see, one of which i spent the learning, the language, and the other 2, you know, looking at the embassy and the political being and the economic ring. and i went to the soviet union. when i came back, it was collapsed into 15 bucks, and so some of my friends often holding me responsible for breaking it up. i believe you bought it and send another will do the story behind it. i guess i just

joys my parents when they happened to be in seen a good when i was born. so it was my father was in a transferable job and was born in she no good because he was managing all india radio and as in india now and, and she now goes, so i, i was born there. and it so happened that i moved from there to may at the age of 3, and i had no memories of a she never got and catch me, but i did go dad much later when i was already in service. so i couldn't go there to the terrorism is only in this century. i got an opportunity to revisit the place of my but, and the opinions before that the, and the partition in 5 percent. no it, it so happened. that's my mother. as a child of rent and stayed in the heart because my grandfather was posted there for a couple of years around 1942. so that was just her experience

in going to school in the heart. and but the family belonged very much during the day, but from what the dish will do, the story they used to tell you of the independence partition off of this time just so my mother had some very interesting stories to tell me. 1942 is heard, a clear memory of the quick didn't get a moment, let me see, would see the processions of part of total. and she never heard about buck a stop me because you know, the buckets on the holidays, a lucian had been boss in 1940, but it wasn't a big thing. so in the forty's in, in her stories she hadn't really heard of this concept of focused on this. she had gone to right. loading to and her happiest memories was but of a trip. the family took to monday, the hidden station and they went to up to bob and traveled all over. so i often say

that to him in the forty's, this was the most integrated region in the world. you could travel from run going to all the way to the shower vape, no visas and a bay. but so this about the family members that they could travel over this past land and then you became the i commissioner of in progress time. and then the most trouble with the times. in fact that has been no, i commission enough to your tenure to how when you're dealing with it. yes. you know, so i would rate my 2 years and fuck a sign of the perhaps the most exciting period of my career because, you know, working in a conflict environment is always a challenge. and, but it's also very exciting. and 3 is as many diplomatic possibilities. i was then a 2 years and one of the better docs is a funding for an indian to provide in buckets on me is that during the day there is a fairly low facility, but in the afternoon you could meet the meeting with diplomatic colleagues and

there's a good deal of friendship and in the evening of glasses of wine or risky, you are very friendly, right? with the common people or people who haven't got nothing to do with government. so that is a better docs, that there is a such a good deal of possibility, but also such a good deal of friendliness and this go to the affinity of speaking the same language, liking the same food and so on. so i think this bad adults defines a diplomats rule impact hassan. i also went to a tough and hostile period. and i think that as bad as some degree of creative diplomacy is required. because even at a time when the host of government is very against your opinions, government, you, some doors are open, do have quite conversations and quiet diplomacy and to understand what is happening,

what do you think is the basic problem of focused on with india? if you asked me to name one fact to me, i would say it's focused on identity crisis. that while india, uh, at, but very rapidly developed an identity, develop the constitution within 3 years of independence and had the benefit of leaders. but some continued to focus on did not have the same good fortune. it's early leaders, boss, to be jan uh, died in 90 for the aid. cut the con, the 1st by missed the bus to be 1951 and focused on could not develop a constitution for itself too much later. so even it developed a constitution in 1956, but that was abrogated by 58. when you condo military dictator to go, so the center problem became the capture of pakistan by the

elite, in this case, the army leads who have captured the country and continue to rule it for all these dictates and have distorted what focused on could have become in my view, so i think this is a fundamental structural problem that focused on face that it became an abnormal country run by an army lead, which was intent on promoting its own interest rather than the interest of the people in yet. i would say that in the last few years, it has been no major. that is a tech in the last 10 years to be very besides what has changed, you'll be for us, you know, you would record from the ninety's that isn't became a major issue less impact on the eighty's for us than been job the ninety's and crush me from the 2, thousands all the way and, and we never had a very good on. so for that we would, uh, you know, not react perhaps with force. and even after going nuclear in

1998 to it, even in 2008. india did not react strongly to the moment later, what has changed now is that we have a different bus show of active defense. that's certainly an effort to, to strengthen us as from within, which means have strong counter infiltration. counterterrorism grades within your move in crush me for instance, to prevent service from coming in, but also a pro active or active defense bus 2. which means you are willing to dig the battle across the borders in hot pursuit of the state or in 2016. the reacting to read. it was reinforced in 2019 when after the lama back, the bicycle a strikes took place. so now, here wasn't even do that is was setting up a strategic deterrence or the governance against it,

or is it the message was that if there was incidents, so for a certain scale big place in deal with again across the board to india. so for the focus on me, the policy of mounting terrorism, which was a low cost policy now became an expensive business, because now it was clear that if you launch an attack, the retaliation should be, would be such that you, you could go to water. you could, would have to react, so there was a 2nd cost. and that's certainly spot of the reason that there's been a dramatic drop in cost. but the terrorism, it's not been eliminated, it's taken on different funds, but there has been a significant drop. and i think that is an achievement of government results to address this question in a clear headed way. why do you think the governments were not interesting and advocating article to 70 when i think um, certainly for the beach it be,

it was on the manifesto. it was on the cards and it was certainly uh, going to be achieved. um. but even the b, b a n d, a government could not achieve it in the early upsize in a bunch of these guys because it was in india, a government that was a coalition government. that was a coalition common minimum program of the india. and this was not a priority, but i think that was clarity even in watched by his mind. and uh, and in other lead his mind. so that one's state would be a majority. it gave the opportunity to have optical, $370.00 a aggregated. and i think it was a decision that was waiting for the moment that a party had a clear majority. and a clear strategy, i think integrating your mortgage mean was a very important move. and more than that, having the strategy of counterterrorism. content infiltration to ensure that off to

that article 370 moves, they would know black shit on a large scale because as you would recall, there was a conversation that if i to go 370 would be to move, they would be live as a black and english me, but none of that happens because it was well planned, real executed. and i think the by the benefit of hindsight of the last 5 years, certainly a successful policy both in terms of stabilizing the state to jim one crush me. and in terms of giving a clear answer to cross motivators. yeah, because i come from the same area and i feel that it has beneficial to the people of crush me. uh, the business is i'm climbing the infrastructure as has been yet when article 270 was able to in the parliament, there was a total position from southern section of 50. i think it was a political conversation and that was

a political move because article 370 was more of the move and it was more than just a political move. it was also link to security foreign policy. and i think it served all those interest me when we finally got it done. and i think now there is a reasonable consensus in the country that it was a good move. and that now we move to the next stage, perhaps of the healing that she didn't jump moving, cuz she made so rapidly moving towards the stability a normal seat. so that brings me to the next russian officer. this done problem to some of the with, with the 2nd longest serving pm of and is this continued the good for india. and the following policy certainly is we are now living in an age of a very turbulent, were much is changing into, well that is, that are conflicts that are uh, you know, i'm moving towards a multi polarity and therefore foreign policy needs to be named. so i think this

government has been successful in very nimbly negotiating the world and improving india as a half the end stature, by mr. movie has external affairs minister jason good, who understands the game and plays it very well. and the personal chemistry that the prime minister himself enjoys with this continued the, that's a cut all of the advantage of it that you'll develop. but still chemistry and personal relationships with will leaders. and that helps who is with annotated step . now he's representing a 4 trillion dollars economy, with a huge kind of pest in the world, in economic terms. so for just as an example, the rest issue relationships in, in what is called the middle east with the you, we but the vid. so there may be, those are some new innovations in, in policy that the closeness of that relationship pets in the,

in multiple moves. and you've said that in and diplomats are more confident in the more the why do you feel that they represent the country? that is more confident that they represent the country with the leadership is consistent and giving a certain message uh to the, to the world, to the people. and they have clear instructions and, and it helps that you know and goes on. baba is growing in is half the such that india is voices heard on the high tables globally by that you're talking about climate or trade or the global order or the g 20. so i think all that heads up for a clear message to go to the diplomats to act with confidence and to be able to uh, you know, represent an india that is more confident in one of your opinion. pieces you wrote about a month, people avoid an india of wanting to be on the board or how much it is for them and

association. good already done that for that one. i think he has and i think india has because, you know, this process has gone on. i would argue since the ninety's, because 90 is after the soviet union collapsed to be moved from a bipolar world to a uni polar world for the in the us was the on the act and down and somewhere on perhaps 2008. then the us, you need for the moment ended and we are moving towards a new order which might be multiple. and bingo is making the point that in the future as an aspiring power, we would like to be a potent. we wouldn't like a word of it, which slaps is back into being a bipolar what with china and russia aligned against the wrist? or uh, you know, a word bad in his voice is not hood. and so i think we have been very active in

terms of the taking the g 20 as an example. that is an organized a is a body which tries to speak for the world in which economics matter, the economic major economies matter and essentially make the point that uh in, in this, uh, uh, well the way it is going into future. the major economies like india, need to have a strong se, uh, in the direction in which it as well. so how important are 4 months like big send this to you for the multiple of like, i think they are important. and i think what has happened in this most people are what is that you have new will formulation like big says seal and as i but so before those like i do, you do in, in rest issue and so on the board. so these are on a show based coalition, so they come together in a world where you don't have a global policemen telling you what to do. some countries come together every is uh,

you know, a phone conversation than issues breaks, for instance, came together for a conversation on economic issues. for the middle of the bible stuff. i made a buzz that represented. so i think that is the kind of, uh, what would be the move to uh, the uh, countries will have issue based alliances. some of them the space, some of them will fade away. and uh, we will question this will do it, which is presided over by the united nations, which we feel hasn't delivered enough in terms of providing peace and security to the world. so or done, it is really much, but we don't know which way it's hated. except that we know that india should have a say in the bottom, in this direction. good. now conducts or knowledge. so the open about his point of view is which makes us proud of. we never used to have somebody who would say, who we call a we call them out is that's

a deliberate attempt to do that. or it's a personality trait off of a photo minister. i think i think it's a boat. it certainly represents the new india, which is making its point. yeah. so the world uh and its a confident new india and therefore he is the voice often of that new india. and therefore he has to make the point about in his views and is very active in it about it. absolutely. so sometimes you may need to make the point gently, sometimes, forcefully, sometimes in behind closed doors, sometimes publicly. so i think the, the point needs to be made and the broad, the point that is emerging is that india reach has to be on the high table. india is an important voice. it cannot be not. so the show is called let's talk about it . where do you see in the, in the next decade?

well, i think the india is moving in a positive direction. the stated objective of india is to bring prosperity to its people, right? the we want to be a mix and part of that developed by that, developed in debt by 2047. and what does that mean? that essentially means we need growth. be ongoing at 6 to 8 percent. be possibly want to grow and a blade of 8 to 10 percent and bring prosperity for our people. and our phone and policy will be oriented towards leveraging the will to facilitate this phase of freedom. and it will be a peaceful and benign race in asia as, as compared to the village of in today's, of china. see me, but it will be something that would be good for the world. and i think good therefore endeavor to get more more partnerships, deeper partnerships, endeavor, engage, and a might be aligned, we with russia, with the best and power is with the board and maximize the economic benefits for

itself, but also be a forceful stability in the world. mm. hm, great. so what are your future plans? well, i've just written one book and i've been talking about it in different florida, and this is the book which included an angry men. and that's right. it's called anger management, and it's been released this year. and it's, it's, it's essentially a story of the india focused on relationship and in that sense, any hostile relationship but door to the prism of diplomacy or from the eyes of diplomats, not just my experience isn't focused on, but also of my 24 produces who uh, a high commission, those are investors from india to pakistan from 1947 to 2017 when i, when i hope the right to another. and i'm working as a corporate consultant that move to the private sector. so i'm having a lot of fun done with that. i'm did it take take you do like this book?

well i to me, i would say about 2 hours a day for 4 years. and because i have a to take book, it's $540.00 pages, and it's the amount of movie that i've done in for the i ran for the exactly. i see . i see where your, your, uh, over is much more impressive because, you know, each movie would have had a lot of blood for it and diaz is going into it. so, but, you know, i, i enjoyed the process of writing this book and researching it. of it multiple foot notes, i hope to write another one, and i'm also a distinguished fellow at the observer research foundation. so doing some research in trying to understand as well. now that i'm out of government, i'm at a distance, so it's good to look at the word from a distance and comment on it. the active list. thank you and the size of it. thank

you. thank you very much. 0 my here and the thank you for watching to join me next week as we uncover newly in yet another debate. and let's talk about it. i'm on the phone kid would by the the, the

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