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tons uh, in the region and to commit to pursuing peace, the leaves, the unity that we need on the continent and the process. but it says that the african people need will be made at lucy when we don't have do able. and i'm, i'm and do a both and dependable piece. so that is the preschool that drives uganda. you kind of have treat you kind of how well, because the citizens don't be productive on windows fire in the neighborhood. you'll have your own house is upsets because, but that's fine. it would cut back well so, so you've got the continues be leaving, but it has the key role to play in sanctioning the interest of africa. and in, in mobilizing us, we've got to unite and to, and kind of give we can see issues. we have the ability to go differences so that i
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forget and focus on issues that come up that we, kids, development and productivity and age and a. so what i have to do even this i, they uh, pressure typically to use, uh uh, your excellency, and congratulations on your independence from one of us here about. so you thank you, i'm about to pull. i'm going to gun in high commission to south africa. thanks again for your time. thank you. thank you very much. well, let's news out as always a pleasure to have you with us here on off see international, literally back in just on the 30 minutes. well, i understand the the, [000:00:00;00]
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the hello and welcome to cross stock were all things are considered. i'm peter lavelle, the as really genocide in gauzy has been going on for a year. the west is largely indifferent to occasionally embarrass 5 excesses the rest of the world. the global south is outraged and disgusted. western legitimacy has collapsed a year on the world. this changed the cross talking a year of genocide. i'm joined by my guess in b root. i know nasser is an independent foreign policy and middle east analyst. we also have as the bunk real lopez, he is a news best editor for the cradle. and we also have charmaine obama. she is a journalist and analysts of west asian geo politics or at cross talk roles in effect, that means you can jump anytime you want,
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and i always appreciate it for me and let me go to you 1st. there's so many things to talk about one year on the world has changed a lot. there's been losers. there been some winters and i put that in air quotes, but foot fundamentally, the west is not going to do anything to stop this genocide in gaza. and probably spray or it's already spread to the west bank and into 11 on your thoughts. yeah, for sure. i mean, uh right at the beginning of the, the conflict in november retired is really major general. its like brick, who was i think the ombudsman for the is really army said quote, all the firm missed i was the ammunition, the precision guided bombs, all the airplanes and bonds. it's all from the us. the minute they turn off the top, you can't keep fighting. we have no capability and everyone understands that we can't fight this world without the united states period. and i think, you know, there are european countries that are blocking at this point. i mean one year on their, their,
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their favorite ally in the region has gone from victim to pariah. and i've stayed that way with, you know, i see jenny and i see see court rulings um, you know, already given and still underway for genocide in particular. so i think, you know, despite as well as bravado and just something in the last week or so, you can see the tables have turned very quickly in the last few days. i mean, just today has been a lot of fired. i think over 200 rockets and ms tiles into haifa, and it's a, it's environment and is rallies as we're watching on telegram and other social media channels are saying you can't imagine what it's like if you can't just report on it. you have to be here to see, and of course, that's what they did a root supper. that's what eastern lebanon, because that's what the southern level non has been facing. that's what the entirety of the gaza strip has been facing for the last year. and in the last few
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days, the north of the gaza strip, which has been bulldozed over, you know, as we speak so. so none of this would be possible without the united states. we have to stop calling. this one is really war. this is a us, we're on the region. yeah. it's a neo colonial war on the region. okay. and the a be, you know, i think one of the things that is frustrated me. let me go to esteban about this frustrating me, but also given me hope with the same time, is how we relate this narrative because it is, it is neo colonialism. we can being confronted by resistance. that's how we should be phrasing this here. and what will be the western media does the, the huge dis favor of just demonizing, a group of people. everything started on october 7th. and they were up against not only is the violence of this genocide in spreading genocide, but we're up against the narrative that is intense. we biased and intentionally
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misinforming us about a 100 percent. peter, and this has to be become more than a war between countries or, or of factions. you see that war against the truancy that world narratives. and the western media for one year straight has been completed in the general side. they by means of representing by miss um you, for me, they are what the reality here on the ground is, which is you have native natives fighting against the colonizers, you maybe for assistance groups fighting against this neo colonial forces funded by washington. by that you funded a is supported by golf monarchies mean in, in many ways. so, eh, you know, as i say, this is a war against truth. this is also why you see so many attacks. and during all these, this is why the cradle was taken off of the platform for a by mid a, a, or you have all, there are, you know, journal, these being detaining airports. the platform as well from other i, you know, by google, by, uh, by ex, etc. it's simply a narrow,
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they've got away from them as you said to them. it's almost seem like history started. oh, 7, october 2023. and nothing happened before before that the was a power of eyes uh, occupied, probably is fine. so now a, we have the control of the narrative. we are telling the story. and that terrifies then, and this is why they call models so hard, but simply the case ease and the most control date and they not only no longer have security in these role. they also no longer have the meat of superiority. neither does the u. s. and neither does that u. k, a or nato, for that matter, eh, but now they also, they major news outlets. they do not a control the narrative. they are, they are trying to catch up. but something to using the same methods as before, which is to line to be some form. and to me is represent the reality. yeah. and it's one of the casualties, huge casualties, and particularly for the week and the world is the end of any meaningful way of
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international law and international humanitarian law that has been made now in void . and it's we, we were all told that these are the virtues that come from the wes, but they're the ones that are knowing it. go ahead and no, no, i thought i would just like to say one thing. the saddest thing that i've seen so far is the israel has decided to put a band on the un secretary general. antonio rena's recently gave a speech saying he condemned october 7th attacks by from us. so as israel cause an enemy or i don't know what a friend looks like to is really one of the status things also is i have to say this as an american. i was hoping that president biden would, for at least politically expedient purposes, would push for a cease fire to help is vice president come over here is when the november for presidential election. but i possibly where we're going to see this work and sure, you know 2025. this is extraordinary. yeah. well, you know, actually, i mean don't have any hope and virtue you coming from the american white house. it
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doesn't matter who's going to win the election next month. it's going to be the same exact thing. and you can, they can, they can play with the narrative. all they want. you know, we need to bring in more aid and all that. but you can send in a in arms at the same time. what do they think were full? go ahead. you know, uh we just did a report of the cradle uh uh this morning, but uh the us has provided in the last year 23000000000 dollars too as well. and then just today, the is really central bank release figure is that the current cost of the gods, but in love it on wars are for as well, or $66000000000.00, which amounts to about 12 percent of his roused gdp. you know, we've talked often here about the resistance acts as boiling the as really fraud despite what happened in the last week and the short lived euphoria of israel and its allies. we're, we're continuing to see the 4 are being boiled economically,
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politically in terms of commerce and ports, exports in terms of displacement within israel. and now the thing they worried about most, and i don't know why they thought then said coming, because his beloved promised distance for 2006 words. it's going to be an eye for an eye. you hit us, we're going to hit you in time. do hit our airport, we will hit you. and now, god forbid, there's rarely start screaming about being hidden in a hype uh, you know, residential buildings cuz they basically vista rated the southern, the suburb of bay route. so i think, you know, it's really important to sort of re calibrate that narrative that took such hold last week because really, truly because of a live stream genocide, we've owned the narrative almost from the onset you know, as we're always kind of gone to the back on october 7th with with that, but they didn't, they launched the genocide, we own the narrative now and i think,
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you know, we have to, we have to understand that one of the main things. so, you know, we're looking out for now is and is really reaction to a ron. okay. well, you got, you're jumping ahead of me. yeah. it's exactly what i want. i want to go to asked about about this. i mean, is absolutely right about the, the dire consequences for israel and the, for its people that it's economy. but the, the only way to alleviate that and that has to be done in the short run, is to get the united way to get israel to get the united states, to go to war with their route. and that's in the car on the cards right now. go ahead just about and yeah, you know, israel has made it very clear that they are essentially waiting to drive the entire world down with them in the search for the, for a war we did on. they have been trying to pro bono paid on for a for a while now a for years, even much before if there were 7 there's, there's always been these up and by he's real to, to, to kind of poke they, there any seems that, uh, well, they succeeded most recently now with the, with the, we just as the nation of these, my, you have a good day what they're doing here in devon on week, which can only be
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a called as an expansion of the general side award. the started in ga. so they are treating, made it in the same way that they, that they have been treating a garza so now eat on. as the head of i, as these writers, like to say as the head of the snake reality, as they, as the biggest fraction within the resistance axis. you don't have say that they themselves. i along the how many said enough friday or strategic patience is over. we have you hear me reports of body on the as are moving around. there are their weaponry. we don't, we're not even, we don't even know the complete capacity of what it on his capable of in, in, for the most part. we don't even know their capacity to go because of all that yet, because as well that has also shown another re strange kind of i just waiting for israel to enter the ground. because these ease where his ball is going to have the upper hand. now it on a is a waiting these march um my anticipated you know, retaliation to the retaliation that israel has prom is a they are talking about all the heat in the oil fields. they're talking about
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heating their nuclear facilities and you know, and they say if you miscalculate your end is going to come so much quicker that you can even imagine. and i think at this point, we need to think of a ronnie as by their words, because uh, you know, at some point that patients and diplomacy and in anything else just runs out. and you need to bunch, the bone of writing the face to keep it down. the question really is, is that you guys are going to fall for the truck. but then the history tells us that us has never looked at a war and said, no, i don't want, so they always look at a warrant. so yeah, we can always have some more weird, but that's the bottom. this is the war. this is the very specific more that so many neo cons in the united states have been waiting for, for decades. this is say, this is what makes this so dangerous for not only the region, but for the entire world. is it they, the resistance may see this is an opportunity to, to deal with israel design is the occupational palace line. but the neo cons,
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i also think this is an opportunity to solve all problems all at the same time. and that's what really worries me about this is that both sides have a, a very specific mission that they might be able to achieve. and considering what the us has done in this century and that part of the world, i wouldn't put any bets on them. i have to jump in here. we're going to go to a short break. and after that short break, we'll continue our discussion on the year of genocide, stay with the which i thought there were some openings to students. the sluggard are sounds great . now let's you and they thought clearing the spotlight to post is on the, at the is that i, that's a get a minute come other students need, which is easy to so on the concrete, of course, to ensure material which is the monument. i'm willing, i didn't like to lock the door and someone else again is oregon. mitchell sort of
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well in the middle of something that we did present to not the results. okay. was it 20 and then we'll just do that for for children. i'm comfortable to much we which insidiously suit him, they process the the wealth nice across stock where all things are considered on peter the bell to remind you we're discussing the year of genocide. the
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okay, let's go back to add the chart. charmaine charmaine already mentioned, did you know we had a week of bravado in, you know, jokes about walkie talkies and, and beepers and all about it was really quite discussing, it really showed that the, the mask of brutality and indifference dropped in the west. i mean, the people making jokes about it was just horrendous and it's an a front to humanity. but having said that, here, we're in a different week right now and there are different things going on right now. what is the state of the resistance of all across the west asia? i love that phrase, west asia. i'm not going to use middle lease anymore. go ahead. nope. we can all agree that what these really did was a victory to some degree in the short term, even because of the laws. officials well, i mean he can win a battle. com or you can, you could win a battle in the war. okay. yes, exactly. yeah, so you can win a battle in the war, but that's not the same as winning a war. and as you can see it has. busy was holding the ground in the south. this is
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with their territory. they have been victor d as really is in the south and from south on that on the year, 2000 and push them back in the year 2007. so there's no sign that tells me that this attack with the walkie talkies. i think it's all jibberish. i mean yes, even slicked to defeat a temporary defeat on his butler. but that you have foot managed to rally and hold the line. and i think as sharply instead of, i'm not mistaken. they fired 200 rockets into height, so it doesn't look like a group that's on the verge of collapse. it's as well exactly, and that's why i'll go back to charmaine here. that's why you are the 1st the mentioned the around, and that's what makes me worry. and plus there is the dimension of american politics and what's famously called the october surprise. and this is something you, you could, you can slice and dice it. i mean, i'm going to, are with a ran in the month of october, could either help or hurt the income and do it it's,
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it's very difficult to say. but again, i really want to stress to our viewers, is that there are those in power, particularly in the united states. they've been, it seem to have a conflict with around and this is the opportunity they want a grass go ahead. charmaine they do, i mean, look, israel will look very weak and this is a country very focused on a p r kind of worst day. they will look very weak if they don't respond to a run and they aren't getting a lot of push back on that. oh, i mean, certainly on, in terms of what you know, when they mentioned the uh, oil facilities in the run because the americans don't want oil prices to go through the roof just as in europe in winter approaches that could schedule their ukraine plans. you know? so if the, if the is riley is attack you run, we don't know, we're just speculating here what their bank of targets will be. but what's really important to note is that geographically iran is very different than is route. it's
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a very mountain in some parts of vast ways of desert. it is 90 times the size of as well. okay. it's not like you can hit a few military bases while really this week, you know, we've seen a lot of iran in, um, target bank maps on what could potentially be hidden as well. because the ronnie is, will retaliate for sure. they have said this and to understand how vulnerable as well is that a country has only 6 power plants to oil feels to refineries one oil terminal 3 gas bills. half of its water is supplied by only 5 d sol nation plants, and it has only 3 major reports. one a lot that has been taken out by gemini fires earlier on in this war. and today hype a pork being struck by his will also, in a sense, it's, it's suicide for the israel, at least to do anything for against the run. but it's suicide for them not to. so i think this is going to be very carefully watch the,
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according to running officials today, the regional countries, persian gulf states that host american bases have a surety run that no projectiles. fighter jets drones missiles will be launched from their territories. they don't want to get involved with their a powerful neighbor. so i think what comes up is what's coming up in terms of a direct iranian israel. a fight is going to be pretty defining. so you know, we have, we have only that to watch and it's cost so much and security and as well. you know, the statistics are flying this week. the is rarely broadcasting authority released . the poll saying that 61 percent of his relatives don't feel safe in the country. 86 percent of them who would turn to the gods. the envelope is really authorities. yesterday and day before said the northern settlers who were um, you know, who moved. uh, uh, uh, from, from the north, early on the war are welcome to come back and do the subtler said no way. know how, you know,
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40 per one percent say their trust in their army has been damaged and 73 percent of as low as believe that as well has failed against just time us, which was the weakest link in the resistance access. so you have to ask yourself, you can use all the military fire power in the world, but have you achieved a single one of your spirited words, but certainly not. that's a very interesting point. and i think it's really important upon, i'm gonna go to esteban about this. it seems to me that uh forever war in lieu of a um, security outcome in favor of israel in the west is that what they're offering for? you know, it's, it's, i've always like in the west foreign policy looking at like ukraine, looking at syria, looking at a rack. you know, it's always like a roulette wheel. they just keep rolling, spinning the wheel until they get their lucky number. it's, it's illusory. it's crazy, very dangerous, very expensive, but i think that's one of the things that's happening right now is that they're looking for the winning hands. i mean, we,
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it's dealing with people that are not rational. is 100 percent. this is on the rational war. and as you're saying this, these does have the makings of i forever wherever a wage by home, by these randy army is really army pushes. the majority of his forces are a service. the majority of its force is actually the, the phenomena base of israel, the workers. this is because this kind of last, there's a reason why uh, a defensive to live on on has been sewing fan, sofa rushes where the past 23 weeks is because there is a concerted effort to make it a and as quickly as possible for them. for their economy, for their security, for their like, you know, even to save face at the end of the day, because look at what's happening in, gosh, i, just yesterday how mazda launch on another body of rockets from con eunice. and there you have a cost that has been already on there is really sees multiple times the worst fill out the source of victory and gas. so what does that make them think that there's going to be a victory and never know much less?
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i guess it on and so i see, i think the term forever war is correct, but i might actually, you know, i, it seems like it's going to come and bite them in the ass at the end. yeah. um, i know i get something to of course go ahead dear, please do go ahead. um uh as well since its inception since david ben green has relied on a very for military strategy, and that is short part wars. it's has no strategic dep. it cannot take protracted words in words of attrition. yeah, the longer this goes on, the more as rel lose is. so we're not really sure how keeps expanding. well done on that point there. i mean, again the jump in and comment about what you go ahead please do. that's the whole point of the program. go ahead. yes, charmaine had said something and correct me if i'm wrong from that, if israel attacks this would be suicide for as a real estate attack the wrong, correct. yeah. in terms of the retaliatory response for me, right. the way it or you,
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i think the point they should not attack the wrong. that would be a face saving moment. they can preserve their security as nothing yahoo is committing suicide by going and attacking your own. but he's trying to think his own political career. he will be with a diverse ability and as rallies as well as will view not striking. you run as a big sign of weakness and that's why i think they will go ahead and do it in some measure. yes and also it, i agree. i agree with both of you actually in a way, but you know, again, you have to remember the american angle here. you're going to have the, lindsey graham's and people like that. or they're going to say b, b, this is our chance. come on, you know, do it, do it here. we eat truly believes. and also we have to keep in mind. we're talking about west asia right now, but it's damaging a putting a strategic defeat on your ran is a defeat for russia in their minds as well. because rush, it may not be, is not directly involved with the resistance, but it's certainly
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a friend of it here. so these people are thinking really big. they think big and they fail big charmaine go ahead. jump in as well. yeah, i mean, at the, i, i would say the russians are not necessarily unhappy at the americans pumping in, you know, of their, their mist files and they're, they're 200 pound bonds to the as rallies because that is a, those are weapon, systems and munitions that are being deprived in the ukrainian theater. so, you know, and we know, for instance, i mean, the russians may not be directly involved, but we know for instance, that the from, from russian sources that the s 400 anti yeah. yeah. and to aircraft systems and entertainment fall systems are operational as well, and roughly, and russian technicians as well. keep going rushman technicians. we do believe that, uh, you know, this could be a game changer. we know that iran is, you know, certainly probably more prepared than as well in terms of
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a miss our with each other. but we're not so sure about the air defenses. but i think now we, we seem to have that from the russians of iran appears to also have received a they ask you 35. some of the russians is a deal they made a while ago we, we believe certain amount of those are, are now in a run. i, i do think, i think, you know, we know from months ago that us military contractors were turning down orders because they were still fulfilling a backlog and that was for ukraine. but now to israel, to how long can this go on? this is what i'm saying. but one of the goals of the resistance access is to, you know, make sure this is a protracted war. and that is ro, is slowly incrementally degraded in every one of its sectors, military, economic, political, and so forth. and, and, and that is, in fact happening. so, um, yeah,
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i do, i do, i do think the as well as the current is really total list and lead by next one year will, will view any non response to iran as a weakness that they can't abide. they've been chomping at the bit since the 2006. we're in loveland. all right, go out again. so you know, i don't think they won't respond. i do think they will. and again, if they breach, he runs the territorial integrity. ok. this it will be even greater than the assassination of handy and so on. i agree, and a rod and a rod will respond and as we see and i think we know that iran will is respond to infrastructure and as well they have not only said so, but now we have is really allies saying an infrastructure hit the wall street journal said just this week, an infrastructure it would be devastating for as well because it's got so little. yeah, well in terms of me we're, we're, we're rapidly running out of time. but i'd like to remind our viewers here. it ran
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is not, has not to, to this point been killing is really unlike these railways, killing palestinians, and lebanese. it's a very disproportionate that way. i want to thank all my guess in be rude. it's been a fascinating discussion. i hope you all come back and of course i want to thank our viewers for watching us here at r t c. and next time, and remember crossman schools, the the, [000:00:00;00]
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the since world war 2, united states has fostered extremist anti russian prejudices and hatreds among the ukrainian de asked for. and at least in canada, united states and countries in eastern europe, probably everywhere. and it doesn't matter what these groups say or do it will support them if it is the groups are causing hatred and chaos within the target country. joe again might done choose but it should consecrate dell or sort of do well, i suppose one of the 1st things up in general was using just to keep all of
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the familiar ca uses anyone at anything if there's a religion the the, the story is this our at reagan and all vegas, the national live feed dealt with, it'd be as amended to allow for the month of nuclear weapons in response to large in size is to be held in a real estate tax fall by lebanese territory and targeting a nolan is where the city grants and the length of the practice falls between the 2 sides of the system. i think hide the level of these power sciences

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