tv Cross Talk RT October 10, 2024 12:00am-12:31am EDT
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so that the the hello and welcome to cross stock were all things are considered. i'm peter lavelle . b is really genocide in gauze that has been going on for a year. the west is largely indifferent to occasionally embarrassed by the excessive the rest of the world. the global south is outraged and discussed, the western legitimacy has collapsed a year on the world. this changed the cross talking a year of genocide. i'm joined by my guess in
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b root. i know nasser is an independent foreign policy and middle east analyst. we also have as the bunk real lopez, he is a news best editor for the cradle. and we also have charmaine obama. she is a journalist and analysts of west asian geo politics or at cross talk roles in effect, that means you can jump anytime you want and i always appreciated trimming. let me go to you 1st. there's so many things to talk about one year on the world has changed a lot. there's been losers. there been some winters and i put that in air quotes, but foot fundamentally, the west is not going to do anything to stop this genocide in gaza. and probably spray it's already spread to the west bank and into 11 on your thoughts. yeah, for sure. i mean, uh right at the beginning of the, the conflict in november retired is really major general. its like brick, who was i think the ombudsman for the is really army said quote, all are from miss styles. the ammunition, the precision, guided bombs,
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all the airplanes and bonds. it's all from the us. the minute they turn off the top, you can't keep fighting. we have no capability and everyone understands that we can't fight this world without the united states period. and i think, you know, there are european countries that are blocking at this point. i mean one year on their, their, their favorite ally in the region has gone from victim to pariah. and i stayed that way with, you know, i see jenny and r c. c court rulings um, you know, already given and still underway for genocide in particular. so i think, you know, despite as well as bravado and just something in the last week or so, you can see the tables have turned very quickly in the last few days. i mean, just today has the law. i fired. i think over 200 rockets and this tiles into haifa, and it's a, it's environment and is rallies as we're watching on telegram and other social media channels are saying you can't imagine what it's like. if you can't just
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report on it. you have to be here to see, and of course, that's what the, the b route suburb that's what eastern lebanon, because that's what the southern level non has been facing. that's what the entirety of the gaza strip has been facing for the last year. and in the last few days, the north of the gaza strip, which has been bulldozed over, you know, as we speak so. so none of this would be possible without the united states. we have to stop calling. this one is really war. this is a us, we're on the region. yeah. the, it's a neo colonial war on the region. okay. and the a be, you know, i think one of the things that is frustrated me. let me go to esteban about this frustrating me, but also given me hope with the same time, is how we relate this narrative because it is, it is neil colonialism we can being confronted by resistance. that's how we should be phrasing this here. and what will be the western media does the, the huge dis favor of just demonizing, a group of people. everything started on october 7th. and they were up against not
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only is the violence of this genocide in spreading genocide, but we're up against a narrative that is intensely biased and intentionally misinforming. esteban a 100 percent theatre and this has to be become more than a war between countries or a or a functions you see that war against the truth. this is a world narratives. and the western media for one year straight has been completed in the genocide they abide by means of representing by miss the inform me they are what the reality here on the ground these which is you have native natives fighting against the colonizers. you have them ready for assistance groups fighting against this neo colonial forces funded by washington by the e. you funded a is supported by golf monarchies in, in, in many ways. so, eh, you know, as i say, this is a word of, i guess truth. this is also why you see so many effects,
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and during all these, this is why the cradle was taken off of the platform for a by mid a, a, or you have all the, you know, journal, these being detaining airports. the platform as well from other i, you know, by google, by, uh, by ex, etc. it's simply a narrow, they've got away from them as you said to them. it almost seemed like history started on 7 october 2023 and nothing happened before before that was a part of that is uh, occupied by this fine. so now a, we have the control of in our, the, we are telling the story and that terrifies them. and this is why they call models so hard, but simply the case ease and they lost control date and they not only no longer have security. a huge role, they also no longer have the needs of superiority. neither does the u. s. and neither does that. you k a or nato for that matter, eh, but now they also, they major news outlets. they do not a control the narrative, the they are, they are trying to catch up, put something to using the same methods as before,
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which is to line producing form. and to me is represent the reality. yeah. and it's one of the casualties, huge casualties, and particularly for the week and the world is the end of any meaningful way of international law and international humanitarian law that has been made now in void . and it's we, we were all told that these are the virtues that come from the west, but they're the ones that are knowing it. go ahead and no, no, i thought i would just like to say one thing. the saddest thing that i have seen so far is the israel has decided to put a band on the un secretary general. antonio begins, who recently gave a speech saying he condemned october 7th attacks by from us. so as israel cause an enemy or i don't know what a friend looks like to is really one of the saddest things also is i have to say this as an american. i was hoping to present in a bind and what for at least politically expedient purposes would push for
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a cease fire to help is vice president come all the harris when the november 5th presidential election. but i possibly where we're going to see this work and sure, you know 2025. this is extraordinary. yeah. well, you know, actually, i mean, don't have any hope and virtual coming from the american white house. it doesn't matter who's going to win the election next. month it's going to be the same exact thing, and you can, they can, they can play with the narrative. all they want. you know, we need to bring in more aid and all that. but you can send in a, in arms at the same time. what do they think were full, go ahead. the, you know, uh, we just did a report of the cradle uh this morning, but uh the us has provided in the last year 23000000000 dollars too as well. and then just today the is really central bank release figure is that the, the current cost of the gaza and love it on wars are for as well or $66000000000.00 . which amounts to about 12 percent of israel's g d. p. you know,
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we've talked often here about the resistance acts as boiling the, as rarely frog despite what happened in the last week and the short lived euphoria of israel and its allies. we're, we're continuing to see the frog being boiled economically, politically, in terms of commerce and ports, exports in terms of displacement within israel. and now the thing they worried about most, and i don't know why they thought then food coming because his beloved promise system for 2006 words. it's going to be an eye for an eye. you hit us, we're going to hit you and tide. you hit our airport, we will hit you. and now, god forbid, there's really started screaming about being hidden in a height. but you know, residential buildings because they basically vista rated the southern, the suburb of a root. so i think, you know, it's really important to sort of re calibrate that narrative that took such hold
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last week. because really, truly because of a live stream genocide, we've owned the narrative almost from the onset you know, is we're always kind of gone to the back on october 7th with with that. but they didn't, they launched the genocide. we owned the narrative now and i think, you know, we have to, we have to understand that one of the main things you know, we're looking out for now is and is really reaction to a ron. okay. well, you got, you're jumping ahead of me. that's exactly what i want. i want to go to asked about about this. i mean is absolutely right about the, the dire consequences for israel and the um, for its people with its economy. but the, the only way to alleviate that and that has to be done in the short run, is to get the united way to get israel to get the united states, to go to war with around. and that's in the car on the cards right now. go ahead just about and yeah, you know, israel has made it very clear that they are essentially waiting to drive the entire world down with them in the search for the, for a war we did on. they have been trying to pro bono paid on for a for
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a while now. there for years, even much before october 7 there's, there's always been these up in, by israel to, to, to kind of poke, they've error. and it seems that uh, well they succeeded most recently now with the, with the, we just as the nation of these, my, you have, you get the, what they're doing here and never. and on we, which can only be a called as an expansion of the general side award. the started in ga. so they are treating, made it in the same way that they, that they have been treating a garza so now 8 on positive head. busy 5 as these ready, like the say, as the head of the snake reality as they as the biggest fraction within the resistance axis. you don't have say that they themselves. i along the how many said enough friday or strategic patients. he's over, we have you hear me reports of body. anya is moving or wrong. they're on their weapon. we. we don't, we're not even we don't even know the complete capacity of what it on is capable of in, in, for the most part. we don't even know the capacity to go because of all that yet, because as well that has also shown a daughter re strange, kind of,
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i just waiting for israel to enter the ground. because these ease where his ball is going to have the upper hand. now it on is that waiting these mont, um, my anticipated you know, retaliation to the retaliation that israel has prom is a they are talking about all the heating the oil fields. they're talking about heating their nuclear facilities and you know, and they say if you miscalculate your end is going to come so much quicker that you can even imagine. and i think at this point, we need to think of a ronnie as by their words, because uh, you know, at some point the patients and diplomacy and in anything else just runs out. and you need to punch the bone of writing the face to keep it down. the question really is, is that you guys are going to fall for the truck. but then the case, 30000 was the us has never looked at a war and said, no, i don't want so they always look at a warrant. so yeah, we can always have some more. we yeah, but that's the bottom, this is the war. this is the very specific more that so many neo cons in the united states have been waiting for, for decades. this is say,
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this is what makes this so dangerous for not only the region, but for the entire world. is it they, the resistance may see this is an opportunity to, to deal with israel design is the occupational power side. but the neo cons, i also think this is an opportunity to solve all problems all at the same time. and that's what really worries me about this is that both sides have a, a very specific mission that they might be able to achieve. and considering what the us has done in this century and that part of the world, i wouldn't put any bets on them. i have to jump in here. we're going to go to a short break. and after that short break, we'll continue our discussion on the year of genocide. stay with our to the take a fresh look around. there's a life kaleidoscopic, isn't just a shifted reality distortion by power to division with no real live indians
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fixtures, design to simplify. it will confuse who really wants a better wills, and is it just because it shows you shared images present? it is, but can you see through their illusion going underground? can all americans today, our armed forces joined our nato allies in air strikes against the serbian forces, the, the guy village spread through us with them. and we, we still fully conclude disregard, you know, swim place is, i mean, nation which is reinforced with the depleted uranium that has a special capacity to say that trade pro, my new car safety point of view. there is no radiological or even, and not even significant consequences. the,
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the symmetry seems endless. a real city of the dead, where it's very easy to get lost. similar graveyards now exist in iraq and afghanistan. they may soon appear in ukraine with thousands of square kilometers of already being contaminated with deadly dust. for the next 4 and a half 1000000000 years, the welcome back. across stock were all things are considered on peter lavelle to remind you we're discussing the year of genocide, the okay, let's go back to add the chart. charmaine charmaine already mentioned that, you know, we had a week of bravado in, you know, jokes about walkie talkies and,
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and beepers and all about it was really quite discussing, it really showed that the, the mask of brutality and indifference dropped in the west. i mean, the people making jokes about it was just horrendous and it's an a frontier humanity. but having said that here, we're in a different week right now and there are different things going on right now. what is the state of the resistance a all across the west asia, i love that phrase, west asia. i'm not gonna use middle east anymore. go ahead. no, we can all agree that what these really did was a victory to some degree in the short term even has of allows officials. well, i mean he can win a battle. com or you can, you could win a battle in a more. okay. yes, exactly. yeah, so you can win a battle in the war, but that's not the same as winning a war. and as you can see it has. busy was holding the ground in the south. this is with their territory. they have been victor, the israel, he's in the south, i'm from south load it onto year 2000 and push them back in the year 2000. and so
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next, so there's no sign that tells me that this attack with the walkie talkies, i think it's all jibberish. i mean yes, you inflict the defeat a temporary defeat on his. busy but that you have foot managed to rally and hold the line, and i think as sharply instead of i'm not mistaken. they fired 200 rockets into high, so it doesn't look like a group that's on the verge of collapse. it's exactly, and that's why i'll go back to charmaine here. that's why you are the 1st the mentioned the around and that's what makes me worry. and plus there is the dimension of american politics. and what's name is lee called the october surprise . and this is something you, you can, you can slice and dice it. i mean, i'm going to, are with the ran in the month of october, could either help or hurt the income. indeed it's, it's very difficult to say. but again, i really want to stress to our viewers is that there are those in power, particularly in the united states. they've been, it seem to have
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a conflict with around and this is the opportunity they want a grass go ahead. charmaine as they do, i mean, look as well will look very weak. and this is a country very focused on a p r kind of worst day. they will look very weak if they don't respond to a run and they aren't getting a lot of push back on that. oh, i mean, certainly on, in terms of what you know, when they mentioned the uh, oil facilities and even because the americans don't want oil prices to go through the roof just as in europe in winter approaches that could settle their ukraine plans. you know? so if the, if the is riley is attack you run, we don't know, we're just speculating here what their bank of targets will be. but what's really important to note is that geographically iran is very different than is route. it's a very mountain in some parts of the ways them desert it is 90 times the size of as well. okay. it's not like you can hit a few military bases while really this week,
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you know, we've seen a lot of iran in a target back maps on what could potentially be hidden as well. because the writings will retaliate for sure. they have said this and to understand how vulnerable as well as the whole country has only 6 power plants to oil fields. to refineries one oil terminal 3 gas bills. half of its water is supplied by only 5 diesel nation plants. and it has only 3 major reports, one a lot that has been taken out by germany fires earlier on in this war. and today hype a pork being struck by his will also, in a sense, it's, it's suicide for the is rallies to do anything for against the run, but it's suicide for them not to. so i think this is going to be very carefully watch the, according to running officials today, the regional countries, persian gulf states that host american bases have a surety run that no projectiles. fighter jets drones,
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miss styles will be launched from their territories. they don't want to get involved with their a powerful neighbor. so i think what comes up is what's coming up in terms of a direct iranian israel. a fight is going to be pretty defining. so you know, we have, we have only that to watch and it's cost so much and security and is route. you know, the statistics are flying this week. the is rarely broadcasting authority released . the poll saying that's 61 percent of his values don't feel safe in the country. 86 percent of them who that won't, will turn to the gods. the envelope, the is really authorities, yesterday and day before said the northern settlers who were um, you know, who moved uh, uh, uh, from, from the north, early on the were, are welcome to come back and the subtler said no way know how, you know, 40 per one percent say their trust and their army has been damaged and 73 percent of as low as believe that as well has failed against just time us,
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which was the weakest link in the resistance act. so you have to ask yourself, you can use all the military fire power in the world, but have you achieved a single one of your stated words, but certainly not. that's a very interesting point in, and i think it's really important to ponder. i'm gonna go to esteban about this. it seems to me that uh forever war in lieu of a um, security outcome in favor of israel in the west is what they're opting for. you know, it's, it's, i've always like in the west foreign policy looking at like ukraine, looking at syria, looking at a rack. you know, it's always like a roulette wheel. they just keep me rolled and spinning the wheel until they get their lucky number. it's, it's illusory. it's crazy, very dangerous, very expensive. but i think that's one of the things that's happening right now is that they're looking for the winning hand. i mean, we, it's dealing with people that are not rational. a 100 percent. if there's any rational war. and as you're saying this, these does have a,
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they make things about forever wherever a wage by home, by these randy army is really army push. the majority of his forces are a service. the majority of its force is actually the, the phenomena base of east around the workers. this is because this kind of last, there's a reason why a defensive 11 on has been sewing fans. so for rushes or the past 23 weeks is because there is a concerted effort to make it a and as quickly as possible for them for their economy, for their security, for their like, you know, even to save face at the end of the day. because looking at what's happening in, gosh, i, just yesterday, how mazda launch on another volley of rockets from con eunice, an area of a cost. so that has been already on there is really sees multiple times the worst still i be. so where is the victory in ga? so what does that make them think that there's going to be a victory and they don't have much less against it on. and so i think the term forever war is correct. but i, it might actually, you know, i, it seems like he's going to come and buy them in the us at the end. yeah. um,
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i know, and i guess i get something the parts go ahead dear, please do go ahead and uh as well, since its inception, since david ben green has relied on a very for military strategy, and that is short hard wars. it's has no strategic that it cannot take protracted words in words of attrition. yeah. the longer this goes on, the more as rel lose is. so we're not really sure why is real, keeps expanding. well, and that point there, i mean again the jump in and comment on what? sure. go ahead please do. that's the whole point of the program. go ahead. yes. as charmaine had said something and correct me if i'm wrong, try me. and that is real. a tax, this would be suicide for his rooms. they attacked the wrong, correct? yeah. in terms of the retaliatory response to me, right. the way it or you, i think the point they should not attack the wrong. that would be a single face saving moment. they can preserve their security as nothing yahoo is committing suicide by going and attacking your own,
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but he's trying to see his own political career. he will view with the as rallies, as well as will view not striking. you run as a big sign of weakness and that's why i think they will go ahead and do it in some measure. yes. and also in a, i agree. i agree with both of you actually in a way. but, you know, again, you have to remember the american angle here, you're going to have the, lindsey graham's and people like that. or they're going to say b, b, this is our chance. come on, you know, do it, do it, you truly believe that. and also you have to keep in mind, we're talking about west asia right now, but it's damaging a putting a strategic defeat on your ran is a defeat for russia in their minds as well. because rush, it may not be, it's not directly involved with the resistance, but it's certainly a friend of it here. so these people are thinking really big. they think big and they fail big charmaine go ahead, jump in as well. yeah, i mean, it's a,
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i would say the russians are not necessarily unhappy at the americans pumping in, you know, of their, their mist files and they're, they're $200.00 pound bonds to the as rallies because that is a, those are weapon, systems and munitions that are being deprived in the ukraine in theater. so you know, and we know, for instance, i mean, the russians may not be directly involved, but we know for instance, that the, the from, from russian sources that the s 400 anti yeah. yeah. and to aircraft systems and mtv as well, systems are operational, n, y, and roughly, and russian technicians as well. keep going rushman technicians. we do believe that, uh, you know, this could be a game changer. we know that iran is, you know, certainly probably more prepared than as well in terms of i miss our with each other, but we're not so sure about the air defenses. but i think now we, we seem to have that from the russians of iran appears to also have received
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a they asked to 35. some of the russians is a deal they made a while ago we, we believe certain amount of those are, are now in a run. i, i do think, i think, you know, we know from months ago that us military contractors were turning down orders because they were still fulfilling a backlog and that was for ukraine. but now to israel, to how long can this go on? this is what i'm saying. but one of the goals of the resistance access is to, you know, make sure this is a protracted war. and that is ro, is slowly incrementally degraded in every one of its sectors, military, economic, political, and so forth. and, and, and that is, in fact happening. so, um, yeah, i do, i do, i do think the as well as the current is really total list and lead by and that's when you are will, will view any non response to a ron as a weakness,
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but they can't abide. they've been chomping at the bit since the 2006. we're in loveland. all right, go out again. so you know, i don't think they won't respond. i do think they will. and again, if they breach, you runs territorial integrity. ok. this it will be even greater than the assassination of one yet and so on. i agree and a ron and a ron will respond and as we see and i think we know that iran will is respond to infrastructure and as well they have not only said so, but now we have is really allies say an infrastructure hit the wall street journal said just this week and infrastructure hit would be devastating for as well because it's got so little. yeah, well, in terms of me we're, we're rapidly running out of time. but i'd like to remind our, our viewers here. it ran is not, has not to, to this point been killing is really unlike these railways, killing palestinians, and lebanese, it's a very disproportion. and that way,
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i want to thank all my guess in be rude. it's been a fascinating discussion. i hope you all come back and of course i want to thank our viewers for watching us here at r t c. and next time. and remember crossman schools, the the russian states. never as tight as i'm sort of the most sense community best. most i'll send send up the send, the 6595 and speed. the one else calls question about this, even though we will then in the european union, the kremlin,
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a pass since the my you over to somebody to see what's out on that? i do the bill a state, monique 0, set up to me pretty much similar to, to toothpaste. i most know what i'm talking to else, the of them a quote to that land. there's even a total distance are going to do them. and i will know what's going so, you know, i'm, i do a neck and connected by the middle of the waste green anyway in any way that know the new way. it will not issue to give back. first thing with that the, the surgery in that sense you on apple.
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