much on the invaders through the fighters against the colonial regime, were supported by the soviet union and china. whereas the united states and great britain took the side of the invaders. the board to gaze responded to the guerrillas attacks with cruel counter insurgency. however, 3 limos, 10 year courageous struggle was a success after the overthrow of the fascist regime in portugal in 1974, the new authorities surrendered. a year later, lisbon fully recognized the independence of mozambie, but the victory had been gained at a high price during the war, mozambique had lost tens of thousands of his sons and daughters the release of come to the russian states, never as tight as one of the most sense community best to him, then i'll send,

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the, the, the, the the, the let's prop lied to the very mind himself, john shipped in who can talk about his son. so a deal. he's also joined by the passing, who made this trip possible human rights advocate and publicist may ride to rhonda

. she is also the coach of a breaks journalist association. john, let me start with you. here you are in moscow. a considering the current opportunity add ports russia in the west. can you tell us why you are here and what you're doing in russia? i have to offer a hand of friendship between myself and the russian people, for it's only through a peace between the west in russia and breaks that the world can live in some sort of harmony without the constant fear of destruction by atomic weapons. let me come to you on this new era. now john arrived in moscow on to your invitation. can you tell us why this is so important? file, as john said, it's important to show that the world is not divided, that the russia is not canceled. the country was canceled the culture,

how the west us trying to show to the rest of the world, our country. and this is a good example. uh, john is here to show that there is friendship exist between west and the east, and there is peaceful inventions, but you on the special drop it to a new males uh full years said that the way julian was being treated amounted to touch or both physical and psychological, and i did the julian himself share with you what he had to wind your can you, can you just share that with us? no, i didn't. uh, because through and never complained to me, my access to how julian was treated and the diagnosis of torture was through neal's males is 25 page report, which i missed the profession mails i submitted to the united nations general assembly in 2019 and was accepted

so that was my understanding that it was due and had gone through as a doing it, as i said previously, never complained to me is it just that we discussed what could be done from week to week? uh uh, in defense of, of his freedom will have to bring about his freedom. but there are no complaints from julian. about his day to day circumstances. you'll waited for more than 10 years for your son to be free. can you please share with us your personal thoughts or feelings and reaction when you heard that he was finally being released? oh, you know i was elated for a great that and had been lifted from myself and many hundreds of thousands of people who as in late fort for julians freedom for many years. and for

some of the people where they have 15 is a fighting for julians. freedom and became rather like an extended family which stretched from the united kingdom, germany, france, moscow, and new zealand, canada and australia, the spying i left, that's fine. south america. julian was a main sleep popular there and had assistance from the president of presume, or law. and the president of the mexico, did you doubt any time that you would see him walk free? no, i didn't to i didn't use her as a tool for energy emotional energy. i just used 5 that the people of the world would and object

fundamentally to the side of an injustice and move towards writing that and bringing about just as i found that in discussion with the president of mexico, we both agreed that after a lifetime's experiencing advocacy and in case the president of mexico politics, the fundamental aspect we found in people was a hunger for justice. and the revulsion at the site of in just me right. you yourself faced america's legal system and what expedited to the united states. and can you share your experience with us? this is the worst experience of any human being can, expands and thing got a july and was able to avoid it because it's a human rights violation from the moment when they came to nephew to the moment

when they release you because you go to you, go through a, the unstoppable torture and the if at the beginning they can torture and you're physically explaining that. they don't know you then they continue to alternately, you psychologically they continue to torture you mentally. you live on the website college because pressure constantly every hour, every day, every week, months, year. and it doesn't stuff, it doesn't stop. when you plead guilty, it doesn't stop when you served your time because they don't tea leaves you. uh and uh, it's a terrible and the it's been pronounced by the international that the american justice system is definitely outside of the international legal system in general. but due to the fact that the legal system in us is extra territorial, unfortunately they do not care human life, mothers,

nothing to them. we know that mister assigned have to take a plea deal. but can you share with us how this do all of this process was done at least if there's any detail that we don't know of yet. no, you know, i was not involved in any way in the process at work was principally, fundamentally, basically to build support political and social support throughout the waste to bring about the circumstances with the politicians. and the diplomats and the lawyers couldn't negotiate. and the arrangements that correspond job i had nothing whatsoever to do and still don't know the details of, of the plea deal that julian in and the lawyers and the diplomats engaged in with all the details. if you haven't accepted the due from your, you know, impression of perception, whether you've seen the case would have been now john,

of, you know, the united states in its is here to those that it doesn't black is, you know, clearly we can all say that quite roof listen, vindictive. so i imagine if not for the intersection of the strain in government, the striding people in the is driving file and if not for that interest session, julian would not have survive to mirror. uh, given your own experience, do you think g unassigned who would have gotten the treatment? if all the trial, if you want they to die that to the united states. oh no, definitely not. when, oh, many times when the united states promised uh to the content that was uh, signing the explanation agreement, and they break every board that they, they've been given. they would keep people in prison in the united states for

almost a decade when they would promise that the person would serve his time in his own country. i'm talking about the case of david mendoza and i'm not even sure that to them would make it to the child. i'm confident that she would never have a fair child, but that's a big question if she would make it alive till the child done. now the julian is finally free. do you think he can rest easy knowing he's no longer being wanted by the united states. oh, you know, i think the arrangements that uh the diplomats and lawyers have my, with united states a substantial enough to allow julian to live a normal life with his family and to continue the work of publishing and journalism as so i, i don't have a fee is, is that way also the after the election, you know,

in the united states every 4 years, there's a tremendous spectacle which result which revolves around the election of a president. and as i say in india with when elephants fight, the grass gets crushed. so we don't see any of the elements of the life of the united states or the west of, of, and they're concerned as to who is going to be elected president after the election, many other facets of western life and american life to again begin to emerge all right, me right. let me come to you here. no one passing off and mention regarding the to the assigned case is which will blow a chelsea mid morning. you've met chelsea during your own time in prison. what can you tell us about it?

yes, i served some time in the jail county and that exam day regina was chosen manning because we spent together close to 6 months in uh the, the facilities. uh, she was impressive with how intelligent she's was very intellect til uh she thought to me how to survive in prison and i'm grateful too. sure for that. i've seen how she's been said that there because she ended up in jail after she'll pyre done. was it will divide donald to town, and she was held there for almost 18 months without any charges pressed, which was completely not fair. she was constantly on a daily basis of press that was again psychology cole and mental pressure. it was really a hard time for sure, and i'm glad that she's out. now, john,

back to you. we know that washington was adamant about getting its hands on julia and we years no matter the administration, the why do your thing, they suddenly dropped the pursuit of him. what changed? progressively the stride and people took the a task, the noble task of defending an australian citizen. julia massage had been wrongly done, but for a period of about 10 years they gather together and stimulated the power meant of astray their which passed a motion to to bring julian home to strive. yeah. so it became a state to state cans and if i could say so without being long winded, once a matter becomes a state to state consent, it changes its complection entirely to strive that astride

as a state spends $358000000000.00 on submarines to defend the strikers coastline. oh is state can gather together the resources to put that sort of thing interaction. the state is a high point of human organization. so when a matter becomes a state, the state concern and the institutions constituting that state engage in the matter, then there will be a resolution as they was in the case of g o n a. so the prime minister and his astray and his diplomats worked on the matter and wrangled an agreement with the united states. the julian, under certain circumstances, which we call

a plea deal would be allowed to return home to her stride and his family for years. western media has been smearing the name and reputation of julia and how did you cope with that as a father? oh, you know, i just ignore that sort of thing and often wonder, that's why people spend precious energy and time that they have on this of to think of bad things about of the faithful. it doesn't make sense to me. you know, i would much prefer to be cooking after a meal from together my friends around and have a few glasses of wine together and those silly stories to each of the i don't quite understand that phenomenon, so it never bothered me in the slightest. but as a social, political act of ruining julian's reputation, so that the state of the united kingdom and the united states could move against

him and crush him. but we just simply forward against a 10 way fort successfully. we learned how to speak and sentences that many people could understand and synthesize sympathize with. we also the how to generate political support within the societies that we were concerned with . and that of course has a straight idea united states in the united kingdom. but principally of course, julians home state, which is a citizen astray. many mainstream media outlets have never shied away from using a sondra stories. a many even gave rewards for them. why? why? why are they standing up for judah, unassigned when washington wanted to prosecute him for those same publications? what do you think? because they are completely under control of washington because we had

a case when we were told straight forward by uh, by the internal this the guardian, when he said we can publish this article because spite house wouldn't have agreed to do so. so they have me this fact and that there is no freedom of speech on the bus, unfortunately stays alternative media. but what we see is that the west is prosecute . and anyone who respects narrative that doesn't go according to their agenda. and again, they put people on their mental torture because they put fear in people's mind, then not only work and was the people's conscious minds, but also sub conscious mind because they're trying to change the whole identity of the human beings. so i asked for any, a question means they needed didn't stand up for to the on the sands because they are completely under control of the western leads. in his 1st public address,

after gating back his freedom, do you don't assign said that quote that he pled guilty to journalism. what does that mean to you too and doesn't come in any a crime? i'm not, or what, or what he did. he did, his work has been a journalist. he opened up the throes was the help of chelsea at the tools that human human in this world must know. they need to know what is happening. so there was no crime or what he did. she did his job and she has done as well. and then she is so clarifies many, many years for spending for this tools. and that's why she has all the supporters around the world. and people who still believes in him. people who believes in journalism and schools and all this makes us unite that and all this makes us actually more than how for the world. what is julia doing now since he has been released? can you share with us uh, i is looking after his children and his wife and

building and understanding of his family and his circumstances, his new circumstances of freedom. other than that, i don't know, he is a voracious reader and very curious. so i imagine it's, you know, he's furthering his knowledge in the areas of his interest, which of us and the principally learning how to be a father and a husband talking about the area as of his interest. do you believe judy? i might go back through his investigative work as a journalist at some point, or would that be too risky as to this, you know, drew in season man, and he has his freedom now to go about whatever he wishes. i don't know what it is . he wishes to my pub in, in his or life is, is

a complete and i'm 18 now. and any further activities of julian inbox from a he will set sail on the se, rough as it is at the moment, or wait until the international situation settles and then him back further on his previous career. but about that, i sincerely have no idea. i didn't know julian as a child early as a teenager and an adult with his mother kept in contact and organized for julie and i to get together and which we did and have stayed so ever since. but his mother says that he was intensely precocious. i, i seem to remember the saying that to me, right,

let me come to you. now. if you was in for judy unassigned, how likely would it be that we would ever find out about such stories like the war crimes and the gun this time, the why was do not assigned the want to on coverage and publish it. and not people in the west and media because said to them as pure heart and he believes in journalism because internally as well as his life and, and he approved advice that verifies and his freedom and not only that towards pro approve and the, and the show and uh, 2 other tour. notice how fidelity are known as mazda be done? i'm not sure about if, if we would ever find out if not him and not a chelsea b. and there was a lower of all this crimes committed by the united states and the us armed forces. so we do have

a very serious isn't so thank joann for what he has done uh for this world in general. and so the profession, as a journalist now done, julian's experience, a lot of people say that john, listen, is not going to remain the same again, from your assessment. how do you think this experience of judah is going to impact journalism going forward for the legacy media, who, what they call the legacy media. it's clear that the constrained the reporting of events and in a significant way, they really i save them as a and then tenure way to, to of governance. they act in the interest of, in particular sections of a govern government. that's what they duties. as i said,

also it each of these greg corporations, a licensed, so for license for bandwidth license, but distribution and so on. that as a consequence of that, the governments have great power of these corporations. so the true future of knowledge, the distribution of knowledge falls upon those what we call alternative media and the burgeoning influence of social media. so the future lies in p to p. understanding in distributive networks and in alternative media, blogs, a social but what i call civic media, what everybody says, the names of social media, civic media, making,

knowing the views and understandings and discoveries of research as an ordinary people. as a consequence of that flow of information, it moves into the society and becomes knowledge once becomes knowledge within the society is assist in the formulation of appropriate policies within governance. so that's where i think the future or all we have to leave here now is thank you so much john shipped and the father of judy and assigned. and we also thank you. bureau to ryder who of also the co chair of bricks journal is association. thank you so much for your time. the a

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