the the hello and welcome across the boards where all things are considered on peter level . can anything now style? nothing, you know from we shaping the middle east and israel's favor also seems to be suggesting assemble 2 point. oh. is that desirable? and will there be any takers to discuss these issues and more, i'm joined by my guess, george samuel, we in budapest, he's a pod counselor at the goggle, which can be found on youtube and locals. and here in moscow, we have dmitri bobbins. he is deputy born editor at comes to most guy a proud the daily or a gentleman, prospect rules and effect. that means you can jump any time you want and i would appreciate it. let's kick this off with george in budapest. we all remember in 2006,

so in condo, lisa rice said that when they, when looking at events and in, in 11 on. is that the way we were witnessing the, we making the video? i think the new middle east. and we seem to seem to hear echoes of that right now. obviously, israel as grand ambitions for the region could only have those ambitions to be united states was behind it, but it didn't work out in 2006. is it gonna work out this time, george? well i, i very much doubt it, but it's a, it's interesting that when come to lease or i said this in 2006, this was supposed to be an echo of the bush administration's democratic um, ambition, that they were going to spread democracy around the world, of course that, you know, came across the very quickly um, what's the one that's in the out who is now doing is trying to get as much out of

the president crises in the middle east that he is logic instigated as possible. and um, so you know, he has the, when that is sales because he has, well, the success is which is that he's a span assassinated. the leaders of his ball of is now go to the assassination of, uh, send me up on these bells and he's going to continue doing this. but it's clear that it from everything that's happened over the past few days, that he has no intention of bringing anything to an end, so syllable, that's all from the biden administration, including iris. this is the opportunity for peace. so this is an opportunity for bringing the hostages print on one that's any out of those as usual thing as well. the hell is that we're just going to pursue our own um agenda and we're going to try and get as much as we can. and we're still gonna be around attack on the back

burner, and that's going to happen. there's a no question about that. so many other things seizes them over to unity, just destroying and crashing and killing as much as possible does these things. so this is, this is no, no, but generally is not going to get us for a long time to get as many of his rails goals under his belt as possible. and i would say that was that also applies to this, the demon no, to the american administration. and it doesn't matter who is going to be in power in january. is that in the united states, these is israel's behavior activities and even goals as perpetuating american hegemony in the region. and if there's a genocide here or there, it doesn't, you know, that's the cost of doing business for the american administration. and that's why that's called these 2 things. delta tail. does the united states a want to genocide? probably not. but if it further is, is goals in the greater middle east or west asia?

so be nema. what's what i want to hear from the united states. so families are know that we want to get a site, you know, that reminds me of, well, what goal of show beto, small, simple, the roman empire. the bar has no legitimate opponents, only ready to go send these thieves the bar as no foreign. a name is only crazy, dictate issue rule by insane. you'd give me just, i'm not sure i'm more than directly about that. these are just directions that are really close into all the dates. you know the ideal some better. so as you better rolled the robot depth talking about peace, but somehow, you know, who was involved in horse pupils and renew the 3 a piece of paper that you will have in other words, or another 2 or 3 weeks. so you the same way what we hear from united states i'm from is okay. are you all can't see wire is dead now? no, we can set the, our was with your ok. so one war is ended. the other one is,

is be gone. but the protocol is the war in does, it is not, and it is in the, i'm just this founded by the reaction will then very compress this as a nation for you all could have seen why? so lady supposedly intellectual people, right? this is, if you did, you know where one piece of, you know, how much is the estimate that these people have in themselves already. so i told you, because what would happen, i will do not state any of the or be either right. so i have your, which do i, the wall, the jolts democracy is on focus is and which gives the do more. it's just democracy is the right to, especially people if they are supposedly helping focuses. uh so with these people kind of a role, right before i told you they, they denied the other was the right prepared for a book. oh there and it was just crazy people you know, crazy. dictate those who make uh other people's lives miserable. so if you just

take them all, it's actually means doing that. no, they're get that by most a group of ways. you're right. if you just do the lead, you just, uh, the movers will die because these people are unable to say, well, you know, they're suppose that this is b o raise. just, you know, you deny your opponent the right to have his own logic. it was just, you know, uh, wall street journal. they, they, uh, present at the biome refills. oh yes, yes. you are. how he spent blank is we using j u n a 0 for assessing agent or policy and deliberate? oh, you know, you, bro, how is your, what's the, is randy denny of us and kind of type on the stand the donkey. he was fighting. and was there any of them? the idea of was that he was crazy. he was murderous. it's nice that we took him out . so you just describe era main to seek or you know, somebody who uh, someone like by around the committee event,

which i don't know about in the near. you're absolutely right. because you know, yeah it was i called the lie and of of guys and then they and then they denigrated them. but the way he died actually said that he was the, his heroic figure. i mean, it's completely fine. it doesn't mean that type of new. why can't will that brush it was that is there why, why the board? why do you, was there a, could you do people? but uh, you know, the, with the, the american media presents the full story is just a moment of gross, you know, they're denying their opponents, the right. have reasonable thinking. i also see george, i mean this is one of the biggest problems of that and you and i talking um on a regular basis and obviously it very regularly on this program. is it really the way its frame doing it? we and we're actually brought in slaves to it, but i mean, we have to work around the western framing of this. we use the word more. there's still more going on. it's slaughter, it's, it's, it's a, a mass casualty event,

but it's not a war. ok. see what happened, didn't go, you can say, you know, come, us will never be defeated. well, maybe they won't be, but they have destroyed and does it a whole lot of other people and with the intent to destroy him, mouse is given the excuse to genocide people. we're seeing this also in webinar we have to be careful the language we use and that being captured by western narrative, george. so i agree with that, and these were interesting because that's the way the israel always fights it's was . israel believes that he can treat everyone else other than a is riley, is as been 6. i mean, what do you do with insights? your stamp on them and just, you know, you tail power. how many? 100 thousands, whatever. you use your boat to get a little insight. that's how he is royal regards. its neighbors. it's because is not willing to sacrifice the lives of its own people. so what happens therefore is

a particularly brutal of arithmetic mass, that good type of approach to war when we're obviously not going to go in and risk our own lives. so what can we do? well, we assassinate the leaders in the hope that this somehow will lead to something. obviously it never does, but no one has the best practices as rigorously as design isn't. israel has always been that they can only get a way back before even the grace of israel boys doing this assassination. and that way, even the live mandate, british mandate dear with that were killing palestinian leaders. so that means they, this is how they do it. and then it goes, when that doesn't work, then you use the bones, you know, you use the send in your massage use, you know, you, you bone them to smithereens. but games to people who have no means as a whole of defending themselves. what is what it is, don't really care about that because this such a well what, what does it matter? what do we care about them? you know, if that, did that good, this little more land for us?

a, so this is a way they live in and people go on fighting. that was, this is what they got to do now in love with them. and with the rom band, what was the fruit thing to provoke? a wall of the we'll never get to the united states in both of it. so there's no question. nobody invisalign in iran stopped trading blows the united states will get involved them. and then with the american officials, they've already made that clear that they were getting both. and then of course, that they've, you know, a game. what kind of, what will this be? what you just keep bubbling away, it just keep hammering the iran? is it? well, what are you going to do about it? you don't have a nuclear weapons, you're gonna just keep taking the punishment. you know, you know, demon, the way we talk. we've just talked about here how the framing of conflicts. um and this is a western framing. and israel is very and i'm very pleased with it. they help frame that discourse, but from the outside, looking at the global south in the me, at, in a few days out. uh, they'll be in a large meeting here in russian,

in cars on. i mean it's, it's the west with israel. it's a war on civilization. that's how it's framed around the world. but the western audience has never come across that framing. uh, uh, well, uh, basically, uh, the frame into is very premium fits uh, what it would style. right. frame awesome, but medina, it is very familiar to western audiences because of bits imperial passed in his colonial past day and. and that's what really makes it quite pathetic. because when the west is, has been humbled and shamed by its colonial history. but it, it doesn't seem to have the recognition that this is exactly what they're promoting all over again in the greater middle east west. dave? well, either that would be the case like the 19th century colonial empire. you know, not better, not morse. uh, it just uses uh,

the more sophisticated their control devices, but basically the entity is quite us, a games them. so humans, i am the israel prides itself on being the all to us and you call to national, you know, people for all wage in america for a rash or bull and a from, uh, you won't be at the end of that. but the goal, what are you in bozeman? racial alternate? because more just the frame 3 days there, you know, be, is, it was the people from, from italy, people from spain. and so, uh, if that sounds sir, is real easily exec for people. well, and i can say 3 for one year to inquire about the time stuff too. so the west has become so super critical the. what's the latest keep that in and you have on your whole, how don't be shave like asked one cottage years ago, made a statement about the, you know, about the culture. it isn't something, no big deal that and then you know, just doesn't go and, you know,

let them know that you won't have to go what they will they tell you. this is what i'm saying. the west is in barest by the excessive. that's the worst for that makes it embarrassment, but they won't stop. it's ok money. it's amazing. did you know? just calling you then you all would come step in bars. you just the deals and all the and all the legal law school, the already snow, the us behind it. i have to jump in here. we have to, to heart break. and after that hard break will continue our discussion on some real estate with our to the take a fresh look around his life. kaleidoscopic isn't just a shifted reality distortion by power to division with no real opinions. fixtures designed to simplify will confuse really once a better wills, and is it just because it shows you few fractured images present it is, but can you see through their illusion going underground can

plus the see the silver so the move up to somebody, how can it be that um the ship to the middle east from a country whose top officials constantly complain about shortages of munitions and military equipments, disability. okay. and the bully bit of boston. no. the one uses them. blow came along the nominal facility or some of those other slash we, i'm about to the easiest little sort of snow. yeah, we'll have an easy somebody mobile bubble sold. well, nice to have to kind of get used to have him come down. now, why are weapons from ukraine spreading over the world? to turn this country into a major arms hub, will continue to bolster ukraine's and forces by rushing them occasionally is that they need to defend their country. the everyone knows very well that we don't sell

but known as pineapples or any kind of children's toys. we sell women. yes, we're also known in the world as homes dealers, that we must not be ashamed of them. the welcome back. across that boulevard design, peter labelle here were discussing some real news. george, i want to switch gears here to what's going on in ukraine. we had the former president of ukraine zelinski, while exercising the power of president of the presidency and ukraine of finally announced to his own people this time the victory plan. okay, so he went hawking around to europe in the united states. didn't seem to get much traction. i mean, they, some attaboy is a little extra money and it was a good, okay. the way would point out that the, the french foreign minister in the last new cycles that he backed,

that was kind of a, sounded me. but you know, as you and i have noticed on monday, wednesday, friday it's one position tuesday, thursday, saturday. it's another. so i think that is an outlier. but, but george, me what, what, what are the, is we're sitting couple less thing because we hear more and more from the russian side. i think over the last 6 months, i think it's fair to say that as a with the, the, the point of departure, the prism in which to look at how to resolve this conflict as to what was done in his symbol in the 1st few weeks after the 2nd part of this conflict this started in 2014 it went um how hor in 2022 assembled to point now what do you like? well, electricity, is it spell? this is something that um uh, boots it has returned to the time of the game. the saw how well we would close to an agreement. uh is the fact that what we already put initials on the

agreement and then um, any future agreement must be based on that agreement that was signed in is the full um, now we booked. it said other things. i mean, as far as the june, what he said, lot of you know, the way we can get a ceasefire is if you bring withdraw us from the national guns it has on those up a rogia gives up its um business to join nate. so then we get an immediate cease fire. we didn't say that was the final settlement, but the bundled us up with a but that was a suggestion. so by bringing up to point the assembled window, it is a little confusing because of his stumble. one point, oh was by no means a good agreement. i mean, he still remains a mystery and it's a radio and you know, something that historians are going to be wondering about for years and years as to why ukraine reject the agreement. that was obviously very, very beneficial to ukraine and really not particularly good for russia and the, but don't the last, it was that, you know, johnson,

the nato and everyone who just pushed them them because they set the core of um, the stumble uh, one point. oh, what is essentially ukraine declaring it will not join nato that that's a no known membership of nato. no far on the basis on ukrainian stillwell limits on the miss size and weapons. and this, the scale of the ukrainian army and the rest, you know, they have this, if you just say, cuz they're probably may have done this. so guns, everything that's just going to kick down the road and that will, that will, they'll be no actual final settlement on any of those issues. that's something that will be in the bumps in the ghost ation van hooton's the landscape. so it wasn't really a great deal for anyone other than the ukraine if i could, the brand new ones would've been better off than they were prior to february. the 24th. the 20. 22. um now, but now i think let's you know, any, any future agreement is just kind of be based on that. i don't think they,

they've going to happen. i think get some that what is the given the state of the battle and what's been going on in, in the dumbass. it's much more likely than those aspects of his stumble that will kick down the road, which was the future status of the, of those provinces. will probably be settled by fighting, but the rest with about your brain in nature. i think that's going to be much more difficult. i think, uh, without, without actually raising change cmt of without some full of russian occupation in your brain. i think it's going to be hard to keep ukraine out of even a whether it's in a formal way or whatever, but the keep your brain out of those. the atlantic, political and military alliances. yeah, yeah. because what, what i don't get about it possible is simple to point out, diem is a, is symbol porter. one point though, ukraine had not experienced a strategic defeat the military defeat. well, now it is experiencing

a military base and it is obviously experiencing a strategic your fee. so why would disappear more or less the, to the same terms and conditions of the 1st appointment apply to a possible 2nd agreement? i don't, they leave the reality in the ground is so completely different right now. i don't even know why would be considered to. well, uh, i think the, basically a zillow as b o, well, does not want a degree. she wants victory if you will. good to use the big 3 black m, i likes the way the leading upside to describe the restore button. so the full dest you said, that the weight was giving me $20000000000.00 in small bank notes and own small notes. now, and one of my bank the, you know, in the place that i get that and the story or was it just use a trip to europe is a star, you know, it was supposed to come through august. i ramstein saw me speaking on your brain. and then as you statement specially best about the so what would be true black,

the sancho, by them did not come there because by them said i have these terrible heart beat and the rob star and uh, so i'm, it was a photo, but zillow, steve, dealer, right there. do you think the boss there? so is it ask you, went on a tour, is doing a lot of the barriers, the roman pope. then he returned to germany and then by them come came to india on friday. and so i'm call by the did not meet with azalea and steven those that have, she was there, she met with serious but with the lower shoals that i'm on the girl. and with the mr. storm, a promo from be right. so it's, it's obvious that zalinski has become an embarrassed by the, by the doesn't want to teach you. how about them? what do we do with the famous phrase? no big green and old coke about your brain behind the bathroom. great. you know, without your brain being present, is there any way that makes it,

they've been worst e mail, they throw that to george right now. is that in lieu of making some kind of a gamut did just give them some more money and maybe he'll go away. i think that's what it looks like to me because the numbers, because the, the way us cannot accept a strategic defeat, they should, inc. and it can be a exactly ameliorated by having a pan, a european security agreement that would say, you know, it, you know, if it's have a win win situation, you know, that's what we hear from these people. it's have a win win, but they can't even get that because rushes involved here. so in lieu of trying to make a decision, just give them a little bit more money and maybe it will just keep going. no, i, i agree. i think that's, that's the west, those strategies. because the west, if you ask them, well, what's your brian, what this gives us as a well, you brain to return. so it's a 1991 borders and your brain becoming

a member of nato. i mean, this is a game this was sent by um, the new latest secretary general mark wrote to, oh, ukraine will be a member of may. so when you say that you guarantee that the will goes on, because then also it has no incentive at all for bringing this was to any kind of a conclusion, because then is it okay? well, as soon as it ends, nato has said, well the, the moment is over, ukraine is in they so. so when, once that happens, well, why then why stopped the hooks? and of course, that's really, he doesn't know what is the nato strategy? well, we'll just keep it going because we keep insisting on something that is clearly unacceptable with russia and then, and it just keeps saying is what the brain will be. a member of nato, even though they know, and this is the stolen bug himself is admitted. many times that this is what caused this war, you know, but he was boast about it, although, you know, we stuck to our guns that you brain will be a member of nato and russia. i go to the go to war. so that's, that is the,

that's the best thing to that line. of course, that means there's going to be no peaceful resolution. and they just will, they will just though, continue to, as i say, just boom, no more money and arms on this. absolutely destructive for basic enterprise. you know, game and the, and birds go, we have roots. oh right now, but you know, the nato likes to, it's both old and, you know, we actually expanded the lions during this complex, you know, and you know, they're all bad swapping each other, but they never really consider. but how is that helped you pray? see it is, this is the, the tragedy of the situation. nato who would say that's expanding, there's nothing to stop us, but you allowed your ally ukraine to be destroyed in the process. so what's the ledger here? was it a good thing or a bad thing? daemon, well, uh natal, extend the, uh, expensive one before we get off the, the, the, the, to just say, uh, did you already did the new grand allows and things you do because in fact dfcs

bill, finland and sweden, 2 quads in hundreds. so if you need to exercise those together with nato beginning of the franco thousands with you, i can refer west compress about it. so as told rebecca is just saying that uh, these 2 trays and, and all of them probably do too much the dfcs. so defacto join in the north and sweden in the open and it was a rush. they were a news. seems when you know, how does the i agree with you? i never said, but how is this help do great, now, can nato legit legitimize just to play this policy? when it was, they say it's all about your payment. it's everything but you. great. but is it, this is, this is a found in, i mean, people or the media in the, in europe is now why and i as in, by that issues. great. heritage, just braves. next it is, legacies. does it, and you'll grade in the bottom. i use uh the beginning of the single when you grade and that, and syria, you know, the destruction of students. the problem is that these people on never radius to

the defeat, they would defeat, you can see it, but they keep imposing sanctions on that unfortunate country which they destroyed by a, by, by story and a civil war. the and by saint is back at 4 and 5, just really be a vermont the copies which they, which they encourage these so well that i receive an army and all these people is very well. but let me ask the board something to deem it said something really interesting is that buying is being lionized in europe. it's, it's, this is extraordinary. this entire ukraine project is actually a mis routed your but binding is lying. nice, george, this is a, was then that it came through germany to collect some kind of an, a war. and there are of these photographs, the of the p gentleman present spine, my giving by and then it was, this is the man who destroyed your images. this though, he'd be destroyed because the, the north stream gas pipelines,

this is wide germans going to be freezing this winter. this is why this is the man who held the estimate, german industry and germany is giving him the award. it's the most object, humiliating. surrender imaginable. and then, and this has really been the american boss that gets the book as a rented your up into this abject, the subject of the condition. went into your, i've never had to do this, you're a good always of distance yourself from the united states. and it's led to list the amount of tens of thousands of lives lost. then americans done around this. they will if people are stupid enough to take this, then the area that's, that, that's the problem. whether nicely will the end of that no to they will have to rely on future historians or psychologist, i'm not sure i'm going to take my guess in budapest and here in moscow. and of course, i want to thank our viewers for watching us here at ortiz, the next time, remember across cycles, the,

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