the, the mouse sooner than see it welcome back to going underground, broke out single around the world from you. a newest member of one of the world's largest economic blocks breaks along with saudi arabia, ethiopia, and roman egypt. the new members will be attending the f us to have a 2 day break summit tomorrow in the russian city of cause on the long side, original members in global south power houses, brazil, russia, india, china, and south africa as well as representatives from over 20 other countries, members of the rivals circle genocide, 7 blog along side of the nature of nations and allies will most certainly be looking over the 16,

somebody's with borrowed browse. ricks represents an estimated 37 percent of global g, d p by p, v. next to the rival g seven's dying, 30 percent of the 15 is a break. so it's this summit which signifies the real beginning of the end for us global hegemony and the fact that it's russia, a country subject to over $20000.00 sanctions buying nato nations and its allies. that's hosting what is expected to be its largest foreign policy event deva makes it all the more painful for washington joining me now from russia's capital. moscow is the academic director of the russian international affairs council doctor and rate quotes enough to does it quote no, thank you so much for coming back on. you know, uh uh tomorrow is the brakes. um it, we had the jim o'neil of goldman sachs, um, on this program off to the s m. o big got into the don't bass when russia decided to save the people that the going the breaks. acronym is a former british treasury official and he was skeptical about the brakes uh over

throwing washington. it had gemini at all, even in the medium term. how important is this somebody, it's a civil row maykel break. well, i think the event is really, really important to us for russia because each so the 1st breaks assignments in the lodged form it i. e. and of course, it's uh, the 1st assignment that takes place in our shop of to be the beginning of this special military operation. ok. so for us, it is an opportunity to demonstrate that it does not isolated to the world that there are still many international leaders, important players so willing to come to us and to deal with the crown and but on top of that, of course. so the challenge is how to absorb these you members, how to make sure that the base might become something more than just a talking club of for leaders. so select countries, how to approach shop

a line of potential members and other of anything between 3 and 10. so the countries we should like to join base and definitely that's what creates a lot of pressure on the, on the russian. don't all the initial big numbers because they have to make some choices to some decisions which and all the easy to me. yeah. trump, already threatening of you windsor to impose tyre of so in any country that a band is the dollar, but i want to get back to those big breaks issues. obviously a here in the middle east. uh, the fact that iran will be the, the view a saudi egypt. so have you re, we will be there. i mean, how important is it that they are there and what will they have a they, i will very influenced be felt at the brakes plus the summit of given the genocide jo, how that goes carriers and their operations here in the middle east, in support of her 0. well, i think that the extension of uh, brakes uh to the region using that we got

a double edge sword. because on the one hand, uh, the more members you have, especially a promo such an important agent as, uh, as the mentor agent. uh, the more representatives you i and do you get more legitimacy and arguably more implants, especially with countries like, uh, united alabama road, send us out to 8 pm. we just have a lot of book funding. and um, we do also major can uses or from tyler carpets. but on the other hand, that makes uh, the go be more diverse and uh, it makes uh, any compromise or any consensus even hotter to reach. because uh, it's clear that to solve these, um, iraq is some likely to bring in to break. so they have problems with their annual and the oldest brawl boost will have no problems where they are on anymore. they've got diplomatic ties with iran is you know, now that's,

that's correct. and of course, one can argue that something might happen on the margins of the break. some, it didn't cause i'm something between saudis and it engines may be of further up or smaller as possible. but still, uh, there are many jo, political problems between tech com and yet. yeah, and i think that might be a complicated, some septa. i've told that they will overcome these complications, but it's not easy to find a common denominator. i'm not sure about that. don't quote, you know, but i think i think of anything, the problem is with the your country get play because it, with israel being the main topic rusher is israel is number one, coal supply, south africa, the s in bricks is number 2, rush or operate to main terminal for cause like oil being transported to help the genocide. so probably be it from saudi arabia. you a run countries all in deep consultation over the terrible,

terrible things going on named gaza and, and lebanon in yemen. and the rock. when is rest, you're going to stop by ating israel. while uh, as, as you know, i'm sure it has all those tried to keep a balance between the israelis and palestinians, or between his earliest and in yards when uh the war. and god was taught to typing co, russia tilted in favor of the arabs, but to israel is still important if you look at the fall, many people with their awesome passports sleeve and e 0. it's so very large. the iceberg. also, you know, you predict either a late so i know very so you develop countries that has lot uh, imposed sanctions on moscow. so, you know, way it's a window to the west can rule, didn't food, didn't tell the russians to get out, didn't put intel all the restrooms years to get out as well. i think that the books is, you know, manual, these people have do like the entity. so for them,

it's not easy to make a choice between most kinds rosel i'm a but as i said, i think that the overall trend is thoughts are actually getting closer to the air, approvals, or other than to israel. and i think that the economic relations between the is there a, in there, i saw a likely to suffer and at the band. so also a lot depends on how long the current, uh, uh, escalation the in the middle east is likely to last for, but uh, the direction is that early relationship little software and it is suffering and already what exactly is the relations between moscow and to run at the moment we heard about him, interesting entire run recently the, the prime minister, close collaboration. all there is for hundreds from russia that have been given to, to run, to defend itself from the british american european union,

back to his riley genocide and lodger expansion. with the rescue, 35 is given to to run as well right now, the big question is about the new 3 to you know, that they should sign the treaty using the pipeline i. it was supposed to be signed earlier this year with the late to present it into a song. but uh, they keep postponing, uh, the uh, final version of the 3 teeth. we hope that uh even comes on uh, the 2 presidents could get together and uh, close these deal. um, but we don't know whether they sign these 32 year old or didn't casanya or we will see something throws up across procrastination. uh, but uh, i think it would be fair to say that uh, the overall goal variation between most crim dot com is likely to continue it and

uh, is likely to get the order that might include uh, additional uh, corporation in the military fields. and i think that we might see some you or auction technologist and around before too long. uh, but we don't know exactly what the uh, the cabin is likely to offer around the start. and clearly it was badging that negotiated and broke the deal between to run and re add. how careful and i know that m b s is on friendly terms with booty and but how careful does the saudi arabian government have to be. and then b s have to be in navigating the new bricks plus future there. they say that he won't be there and be as himself at the because on the brakes plus summit, a football joe perspective on how careful he has to be. we know about them, us, the stabilizing of gcc countries, they get too close to anything opposing us, a,

jimmy? well, you know, i think that the beauty over breaks is that when you encounter the go for, you, do not to make too many specific political commitments. you can participate in the projects according to your priorities. so according to what you like and what you dislike. uh so uh there is no uh, agent uh set up the phone. uh uh, of demands or expectations. so uh, is that, uh, might constrain the for, you know, affection of, uh, uh, the new brakes members. so i think it is one of the reasons why you were a scott so popular. because if you compare brakes to the club, but you don't have to pay a lot of money for you in terms of tickets. and i think that's why was kind of

a low line of nations willing to join the club. they believe that it might upgrade to the statue or in the international relations, but he told me not to limit the flexibility to their foreign policy is. and i think solve that. maybe it's not the exception. it might uh enjoy, uh, uh, a lot of flexibility. and uh, it might limit to its participation to such some projects that base might initiate might join the other projects. also of course, uh every country should be careful about its choices. but i don't think that there are too many politically successful, free to, to with the brakes membership. i'm really not sure that's the case. i for, i'm not in the c i a, obviously, i don't know, but you can detect just from nature propaganda media that every times out of your regular or any country in the global south was to get close to bricks. plus the removal of the headlines against those countries and dirty tricks used against them

is, is palpable. in fact isn't this rather like normal line movement days in the band and governments of engine easier? they destroyed so kind of or no matter how and literally the responsibilities are a one to one, becomes a bricks plus member. well, you know, my personal feeling is that the rest of the attitudes towards the brakes are guided more by political use, things that are other than by assault, but calculation of political interests because uh, brakes. uh, it cannot become a 9 to rest of the lines. uh, it cannot uh, become uh, recalls that would uh, somehow enrolled significantly at the west of the influence of the rules of what happened. did these all arise ation then? or are you saying that's the preserve of the showing that corporation organization a. yeah, let my take is that uh uh, brakes can offer an alternative my deprive do as to all speeds monopoly or

something to mask himself into initialize. uh, if you dig, for example, the new development back within brakes. uh, i think for some nation so it can also alternative to get them enrolled uh with the uh, with the road bank. uh, you know, brakes has its own uh, russian or 5 s i. and i think by doing that it might be carmen, important uh, source of, uh you know, nice you norms, you procedures are new models. and i think this is something that probably they do not like them to work because they think that all these rules and all this norm. so it should come only from the institutions like a g 7 for instance. and uh, this is about likely, uh to, to, to be the case. uh, because uh, the balance of virus, of the road is changing. and the global cell phones to be more represented. and it

wants to have a say in defining variables of the game. it does claim that the west was, will, will, will not be in financial. it will be, but it will not cover the monopoly. it used to enjoy to try and recording of. i'll stop you that more from the academic director of the russian international affairs council. after this break the benefits, explain it straight to us. the problem of december 1st. okay, i'm gonna show us january 1st. that is before you. so vice chair and we'll just keep going, as i mentioned earlier, is up to steep requirements not expressed here. submit item, so you may to not as a way can regards no problem, no, no, open up in the front. and then for the 1st thing, you know, for or the what peach tree the mention is pretty

much performed by for the offense skills. i'm over proof of those types of products that are coming out on the learners. i'll figure a way of 4 to try and sell the most of the triple just the enough one to but it's almost that, that the system, the good english is and you know, the

the welcome back to going undergrad. i'm still here with the academic director of the russian international affairs council doctor and drake had no, i don't know if you were talking about the possibility of rivaling the i m f and that will bank using brakes plus banks. and if tomorrow's cousin conference in russia, of course, i think you in britain even want you to join a i be it was threatened by washington. so it's clear what washington once after breaks or once to how it went through a night late italian play. what's it like having a conference in russia, given that the certainly a west western european countries, one long range, missiles fired a deep into russia perhaps in most go itself and single team, usually one warships threatening, shying the sea and break. so that's the odd as the see because lou, the presumably be there, he's beat on

a show going underground. shortly after being um, being in a cooler west and back. cool. he was said to jail in brazil at the behest of washington. that although little it doesn't like to talk about it so much. what's it like having a conference under the pressure mass military pressure like that. and of course, and obviously these a nation. so concerned about the continued british european union and american, the destruction of being of genocide as well. um i think that uh, 1st of all uh, security uh should be an important medical concern uh for the host country because indeed uh we see that uh you could, any of the slash, west and weapons can exceed the targets deep interruption territory. so they should do their best to provide for security because then i do full with that they'll be no incidence. leah, but i think that the question is clearly the more general it's about

a potential escalation which might happen at any moment to get my type in the, in various. so the cases that might happen uh, in your dream, he might have been doing this. i was trying to see in dominion states. uh, kind of go right up. i just wanted to say that uh, i don't believe that right now, major american political forces, especially the brightness ministration, who is interested in an escalation because uh, uh the us election is just around the corner. i and an escalation might create problems for the democrats might count the opponents, and specifically, i don't know term to in the election. so i feel, i'm sorry, on the, on the other hand, he's just announced another package. and surely, given donald trump one,

some sort of negotiated settlement about you grain all the more important for the military industrial complex, that is really, it has power. it's not very democratic being, i states, clearly it has no free media to finish it off and attack russia just before november while they can as well. you know, we do not know what they are going to do. uh so far to the best of my knowledge uh, the white house has not authorized the use of loaner insure. i use made a nice house. uh, 2 seats. uh there. awesome territory. um, they might change their mind. uh uh they might uh, go ahead and uh create uh, additional risks and challenges. i think that, uh, this is uh uh, because they couldn't change their mind by the time this interview is actually broadcast. i should, i should have goes add, what do you make about the reports of uh, i mean, i understand that the dictates are uh,

of care of as an end sky was abolished the elections and the free press and new grain. besides these decayed war on north korea around the round as well as russia, what do you make of the reports of thousands of north korean troops being used by russia and ukraine? i mean, why is, why should not neutralize the nazis of a great in any way by now? well, uh, you know, 1st of all uh, on the last year i think that uh, the ukrainian leader is interested in presenting uh, this picture because i live as something which has a global scale that small just about uh you can under ashley its about, uh, the eastern the west its about uh, the more consistent the door cuz it sits about the atlantic city versus your age and use them. so uh, that's uh, falls. she probably hopes to get the west more directly engaged into these conflict . but of course uh we will look at the

situation of the fried line on the line and we see that uh, a rush. i use advance and slowly but surely why so smoothly as well. uh, you know, the official uh, explanation is that uh no we hear about uh, soldiers. we don't want to have excessive losses and then we don't want to destroy the civilian infrastructure and that to explain. so why are the progress is so slow? but i'm not the military expert, it's hard for me to judge about this is the official explanation that we get. so it's different to the way the united states shocking or attempt that where it just and i lights the country. well, i think that this is something that would make sense because if you look at directions and you can, you know, even if you assume that these are 2 different peoples, they're going to close to each other. so definitely this assumption that the

politicians and the military leaders in moscow should be concerned about no pomo how not to inflict to excessive damage. so to distribute a new pro structure, you think they'll be much to look at the break somebody and rusher about the new era of sanctions in the sense that clearly set of us hedge a monic sanctions, no longer function. they are targeted that russia or the rod at china, they just don't work. but a lot of these countries like the u, a side uribe egypt. so many countries i got even named the role that they will be um, told repeatedly by the united states and the embassies in that countries about 3rd party sanctions. will that be a topic of discussion in cuz i don't know how to oppose us. a dictating terms of the trade in some kind of way to allow free trade

against the wishes of nature powers. absolutely. i think that would be a lot of the, a central point. so to discussing comes on, uh and uh, i think that uh, they will also focus on uh, what they call the 2nd to the sanctions. sanctions gays, to accomplish all sort of countries. if you look at the list of the company is sanctioned by the united states outside all the ashton federation. number one is china, but number 2 is exactly the united or banner. that's because it's an important financial hub. and many transactions go us will do by end to all the time. so the question is how to define uh, your financial architecture, which would bite boss dollar and would reach would bypass the united states so that the united states will not be positioned to talk to impose it secondary sanctions

on sort of countries. and the various uh, ways to limit the use interference into transactions between all the countries. it's about the, the current of 6, which is used to be in these transactions. it's about a digital conferences. it's about creep to. i don't think that there is an ideal solution to this problem. we actually on that subject, you recognize the russian government without any stupid to launch a defense of done by us. and now to look up the currency and how important look up their currency be in destroying the nato, a nation, the sanction policy. they have no power over crypto transactions clearly and well it's i think that again, you know, keep the columns here isn't kind of, uh, uh, a very, very, very complicated issue because it has its advantages and disadvantages. on the one

hand indeed uh you can avoid uh, some of the financial drones we don't have to use. we have service, but do you do enough to use swift? yeah, but yeah, but uh, the keep the cut ups is a lot easier to control e and i think this is something which is of concern to countries like uh, the ra shaw or china, or we'd show it is sensitive to what they perceive as challenges to this over entity, so uh, it's an important installment. uh, but it might be a dangerous instrument. would you say all in all that the a s m o is it's cold in russia. invasion is cool. the nato countries has been a success and that nato is being taught a lesson a no longer can they a 2 countries and they expand nato in the way that they thought they could with a daily week. russia since 1989. well, i think that,

uh, the, the judy is still in session of the special me, the nation is to on about what is clear is that uh the expectations that are i sure would of quickly collapse that a 2nd lubbock system would implode under the building of sanctions, these expectations clearly turned out to be completely wrong. and it's broad china and russia, closer together than ever. exactly, it is also what it was also major catalyst. i think that option china would have a good close in any case, just because uh, these are 2 big neighboring countries. uh, there is a lot of synergies between the 2 nations. but of course, uh, the pressure from the west of the pool is so you will contain them to contribute to, to, to stronger ties between most can be and this is clear, this is a single going on and will come to you. i don't know if one day the united states may join breaks, but is it the end of western?

is it the end of western europe as an economic block? i mean, clearly in catastrophic economic circumstances are those of sanctioning and the destruction of the north streaming. so on, is it bleak for the western europeans watching on it breaks on the break summit tomorrow? well, i think that you will play, it will be a very high price for what's going on right now. and we'll see the already a game happening just in front of all why. so if you look at the process of the, you would be the industrialization. if you look at the major drivers, so that you would be an integration, like germany or even phones, there are many, many problems the. and it's also because uh, the united states to some extent has been able to exploit fluid. this is so for a few or for the political will to solve that, you would be in union to deprive adults and you hold storage. it's so strategic

autonomy in any foreseeable future. a basically the european union is subordinated to the united states. i hate to say that, but i think uh these boss told so strategic i told me will be very, very, very low. if you want to you for your dns altima to decide to go this way. dr. 100 gordon off. thank you. i think that's after the show of continued condolences and goes to those very value you as a you, i'm genocide here in the middle east. we'll be back with a brand new episode on saturday until then keep in touch, rival social media. you mentioned it says in your country and how do i channel going? undergoing tv when rumbled or come to us and you and all the episodes of going underground season have the, the

release of russian states never as tight as one of the most sense community best. most all sun set up the in the 6595 and speed. what else calls question about this? even though we will then in the european union, the kremlin, the machine for states on the rushes to day and split the ortiz full neck. even our video agency, roughly all the band on youtube, the payment services for the question, did you even closer to the,

[000:00:00;00] the, the the, the the the, the new ones so that we will lose each kilogram and