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so you know, to is, is, is big. you know, the, to understand that up bit tied by african countries to join bricks. it is important to contextualize the history of bricks on the history of the architecture of international economics. in the i am at for international monday through find on the was on queen referred to as the bretton woods institution bretton woods institution, under of cost of the wild crater organization. can be described as organizations control, largely by europe and the united states of america. and if you look at specifically the history of the i m s, and that was bound which were created just off to the wide, well, you will appreciate that these institutions, institutions,
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which one not designed with africa, asia, and mind as of course subsequently, african countries have become members of these organizations, but their membership is of a, of a very token. this nature, one would say that they merely pay the goose pay to mean that they don't really play a critical role and not being appreciated. that it means that in economic terms, africa always get the shot on the stick. and secondly, it is important to note the african countries. i didn't do the developing countries or imagine economies as we now describe them. i've always worked with us for can countries. we would remember the non aligned movement, which was founded in 1906 is the idea was that you need to count a weight to the united states of america and europe for what he's normally referred
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to as the conceptual west. the margins of bricks, the for seen in that context, provides an opportunity flow for can countries to participate in an organization where the voices will be ad on dick and status. it is important to underline, had on deck and see see the vibe for the moment is that bricks is signed? general organization. whether that is true or not, is something that we will debate a little later, but it must not be lost on us. that even bricks us present to the constituted positive leadership. and that can be the issue appears to come from china. it appears to come from russia, and it appears to come from india. and it appears to come from brazil and south africa to a limited extent. but one hops is that when other countries come from africa,
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they will negotiate their way in a manner that we give them the for toward that date is of the, i think is the reason why african countries beginning to warm up to breaks as a plus or level, i'm very wired about african countries individually joining these institutions because they'll be able to move it on the outside of my desire. if i was asked is that african country is operating under the ages of the african union. is the body that should in fact be present at bricks in that way. you then don't have to isolate south africa, j b a is c, r p,
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a and deed with them independently. but to do with the african union as the union comprising 54 countries. and why does that make more sense to me? it makes more sense to me because african union is now trying to give practical meaning to africa. agenda went to 6 to 3. so i'll set the union is trying to implement domestic a continental free create area. and for us as a continent therefore to speak with one voice to be a sofa. moving in as african union with a declared the continental legend, which would then be the agenda that is taken to the brakes. but as it is, individual countries are getting into brits with the consequence that the african countries which are not members with wants to gain feel that they are not part of the party. and that to me is undesirable deck. on example, if you're dealing with the,
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with the countries which the prime movers of bricks like like china, you're talking about on the economy that is in excess of 10 korean. you're talking about brazil who is the economy is in excess of 2 trillion. you're talking about india, who's economy is in excess of nearly 4 treaty and united states dollars and all of this because i, i, in dollars new cut, the largest african economy, done, or at the ne, julia which has a gdp of slightly above $500.00 video and united states does look egypt, which is just about $400.00 video, non south africa, about $450.00 video in united states dollars. you can see that the combined economy of all african countries give or take is smaller than the economy of india. so it makes sense for the content and for the moment to go there with the continental vice. and in that way,
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the presence of the brooks would be that much more respected. and very last day, when you're dealing with african countries, you're dealing with con, please. with a minimum of talk to 3 guidances and you're going into an environment where you're dealing with india with that will be. so you wouldn't be dealing with the china with you when you're dealing with the russia, with their who but so you have thought the 3 carbons is, how are you going to fit them in? so we've got 2 vehicles. i'm in some of these engagements, and it is incumbent upon africa and offer comes on the african countries to really talk of the history of how the i've been struck change unless got history in from current option for the benefit of the generation of generations. you have to be mon when we talk about the colonizer ish
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on the call on the, on the, on the, i like to make the distinction. the colonizers, sion was the experience of having political in dependence on that. we know we now have our own political independence to the extent that you can describe it as independent. but the coloring me on it is, is, is a different ball game with the next step of having to ensure that we, but a to us of, from the shot close of colonialism, you'd have to do the economy, quote, sometimes even political order and even a cultural order that was imposed by the quote on your project. and that said, even when we talk about african solutions to african problems, we are not named to assume that africa will now divorced. so from the rest of the, we have simply say that africa must cooperate with the rest of the world from a position of a sprint, not from
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a position of witness. and this is something that africa has recognized from 1963. if you listen to the position that was taken by africans of that, the people that grew my people, i come, i lived in austin. all the requirements are available in your area of tons. and yet there was saying that it is important that we create institution that they've gone to enable us to engage from a position of strength. and if that is the case, the question is, how are we doing it as we speak, we realize, and this was evident in the conversation that took place in the legacy in $198.00, under the legacy plan of action. africans recognize that we, amongst ourselves, we don't crate. we don't advise you to a good look into our country now. it is below 20 percent. the lowest anywhere in the world. yes. potentially, we has
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a method of nearly 101500000000 peoples. so we are saying that it is an organized africa, organized as contemplated under the leg, was fun of option organize as contemplated on the i forgot gender $26.00. we end up with the continental free criteria that the vendor and do to engage to out. so that when den gain the was the i in gauging the one from a position of trent when dan bricks been doing so in a manner that enables them to speak at the same level with the. but i've seen with russia with china and of costs with india, and it is a partnership of because otherwise there's a phase weak. heidi listen, ship is like the relationship between a horse underwriter and in my meant of africa wouldn't be the house and the others . we'd be the riders. and it is something that is desirable. and i do not understand even brakes to be say, yeah,
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not going to walk with the united states of america. we're not going to walk with you. we're going to walk with everybody in the world, but from a position on which service, but on the screen. from which will benefit so that the relationship will be symbiotic. that hasn't done a firestick, and africa has been beaten times without number. but somehow, she's never shy. she still enters into crops, which i saw a video of us, which is what we must have white if we are not to be eaten for breakfast by other civilizations. of russia, china, india, and of costs. uh, braz you, i imagine markets. but the marginal markets in the context of
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a wired, which is still in many ways dominated by the conceptual west. so the sucking technologies, which, for example, russia has, which we need, which the conceptual west is unwilling to give to africa. if you look at the, in the district of, for example, we need nuclear technology in order to use nuclear technology for college in the nation. if you go to us and into, in a typical western country, they are never, ever ship that kind of technology with an african country. but if russia is prepared to collaborate with the african continent to alpha technology and to trust funds that technology so that we can generate power and move into the pots of industrialization, why not? if you look at the area of agriculture, for example, i believe that it is necessary that we collaborate with countries including russia,
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china, and india. because and i show, for example, is very strong in the atl frontier lives is open and not, no gun exceeds all. can we collaborate with russia in dockery good on one is also talking about mining. acknowledge, as we know, that's why the number of african countries are involved in the mining sector. how are we going to collaborate in that district? and my kind of so to african countries is that as we collaborate and we must look at what is in our best interest, in other words, our relationship with russia must be defined in the mind that is beneficial to us. and russia must also define what is beneficial to them. and when in the middle, you know, since i've looked on countries tied to the engaging with the i met front of the bank,
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they have prescribed minister permission to appropriate the most fundamental distribution that were prescribed by i met fund was that was what was described in the 1900 on the eighty's as this from actual adjustment programs on a form was on african countries as soon excluding every tree out we came about in 1991 and, and what's on the west subject to to the structural preventive costs. south africa, which i've not regained independence from the appetite movement. all countries went to these and we have thought that we way imagine there was telling the scenes, national lies, your institution sell all assets to remove government from what is the business or last side business. several years down the line, you've dementia of those success quality people's lives. not that this picks
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not g d p not g d p per capita. not that does that quality of people's lives for comes the better after that. the on site is the know of we address the critical issue of the critical problems of poverty and disease in many african countries of we ensure that all of my new fostering sex does authorize. and do we have sufficient knowledge in addition, and most of our forgot the answer is no. we have become more dependent on western institutions. and you've seen a number of economies enough because housing current says that kind of northwards. and the barge of below is from the west and some countries i've had to go notarize. the problem is you've seen zimbabwe notarized, the economy because of sanctions. we have seen southern countries informally don't arise,
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the currencies or the economies. these i am mess as was the phone and the full best and prescriptions. uh not, and one never designed to me, but 8 i forgot economically, which then ben's the question, what would the brakes do that is different? the answer is we as also comes on the african countries must be in there. so that in the, on the formative stages, the able to lunch from the list and the past to ensure that they are not dealt with in the mind. that the i m f and the water bunks have dealt with. the brakes must ensure that if agenda is on the agenda, that is going to be but 8 africa countries economically. and i'm prepared to embrace in breaks because the chinese of us 30 to doubt within. but it's,
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they can tell us how we've been taught to you. they have succeeded in lifting nearly 800000000 people out of the how they have succeeded in industrialized. if they tell of that story within bricks, it is a good study which we can also adopt and adapt. india has a story to tell they to have listed nearly 500000000 people out of poverty and just walk in progress. brazil as us 32000 and i've seen those stories are the stories that we need to hear within the continent of africa and not yeah, but to learn from a no desk line from but use the listens to liberate africa from economic public. so our success is as always been the model it for our civilization that we must never forget and she's a month,
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not because she has the resources. she's the home of many minerals. she's the home of arable and she's the home of individuals who are now capable of doing medicines on the is which i think a critical one of them is infrastructure i think is for us throughout the day is going to be very important for africa. if you're going to give practical meaning to africa, continental free trade, $81.00 to ensure that if the bones which have landed in the front of them by so the front of the bar dash to them or dropping obeta, those goods can be moved to go. my, in the democratic republic of congo, i want to have a situation where goods are from the point of beta or point to barbara or g d. those goods to do but install so done on document required that we have good roads that are required, that we have good randomness transport system. it wasn't required that we opened our skies. so infrastructure is an area that is going to be very critical in terms
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of investment, and number 2 is in the area of power generation. if off it goes to industrialize, you will need power. if you look at the combined effect today, and i divide applicant 2 adults and salt, look at what is called this. i'm so hot on. do you know the south korea generates more electricity than all or some so hot an african countries combined? we need to harness i agree, electric power, we need to go into new power. we need to go into solar power. we need to great adjust time of power. we need to going to wind power is anerio of investment. we also need to go into the area of mining on value addition. if you look at some of the critical of mineral that we have gnostic, i looked at what is produced just in the science region in my lean charge in booking now. and the amount of uranium madera, democratic republicans on was the uranium know, got to call boat look at me,
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see um, which is now going to be the key mineral when via moving in to the aerial clean image. you are talking about the c m, you talking about how about this? i'm in role. that monday. treat when you're going to make the batteries when you're going dumping a bulk more biased a different. so you need investment in those areas, but not investment. that is designed to simply take away our minerals, but is designed to find you to add value to those minerals. then going to the area of agriculture got to see of organizations which lead on financed by individuals and organizations such as b, like melinda gates foundation and clinton foundation. we are now going into g and most and we are losing all the seeds when you talk about major talk about millet assigned us talking about palm while we are using all of these one wants to investment in organic seeds on
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a group. gotcha. because if we can feed or so then we're going nowhere. do you know that we import almost 80 percent of or for the import in fish game pushing for trees. this is something that often not to happen, but digital wise degree go into the area of investment in not taking the also talking about the dividends. so the font, the inductive, her pollution on that differentiating tensions. however, you're going to get into that space. if you look at the media, for example, also kind of going to rely on the media. so that is controlled from outside. we need to have our own, the equivalent of, of workshop or, or equivalent to internet and not with require that we invest in the space that we have low on set of lights. because if you don't have city lights, it means that you are going to be controlled by others. so there is no shortage of areas in which we want to invest and you go into the area of
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a vision. i believe that africa now should begin to think of, of, of producing that craft china is already doing that. so brad is already doing that . india is in that space and they are the ones that are going to induct us into that space for the future of the continent of africa. we have many things that i believe come and ought to be done for this continent to really be in on a bit where she can compete with the rest of the was good, the misguided to say that because we and we are not going to collaborate with europe, we are not going to collaborate with the united states of america. they are part of the human equal system. what we are saying is that breaks will enable us to engage with them differently and beneficent. we are going to ensure that we link from
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a position of friends and a position that is not but a set up position that is would certainly beneficial. and i believe that breaks can do that. so, you know, when breaks is strong on breaks now brings together as it is now, even in it's iris, they just, it brings together a logical to nation with up a petition. then the conceptual west combined. that is a good beginning. but beyond the population, you must have the sofas, the dish to engage in the amount that the wallet has been dominated by the dalai zip codes. and in my view, now we must top of the payment system today. if i'm sitting in kenya and i want to send $1000.00 to uganda, the money with funds to go to the united states of america enough correspondence bunk is not a good system. it is not why come to i use a system that is unique to us and beneficial to us. so i order the,
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the brakes is going to be a counter wait account to wait. that is the columbia condition fangs from account to wait. the in terms of population is also a strong account. wait, the todd, the human resource, the send, a message that going forward, we are going to move eyes because that is only necessary, but come on the tree and that is what the sustainable let me tell you the for the shuttle inquiring clue. my said very clearly in the 1906 is 1965, where they are about when he wrote about neil colonialism, the last page of imperialism, and the most dangerous usc routine countries are now getting to us combo flock. to see the united kingdom under the guest of the commonwealth. now i get
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a lot more on mention promises firms with the law firm before noon. we also tried to bring in, not only the former french colonies, but others already in kenya, and the 20 going to 6. the are going to organize a meeting in night road became this is a news combo full optic. i'm not prepared because the good life you see in was 0 being countries is fine, honest through resources from africa. so it is not because they love us that they are coming to us. it is because they loved themselves and our eyes a bit to be up and we must not for a 2nd time or is it for a thought time. there was to live very. there was coloring, eyes ation. there is now new color and i is ition. we must never for upside time allow us out as africans with and the continent or that they ask for to be controlled like monday and next by outside. those who do not mean well for us,
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it is important that we have a system that does not allow any single country to be they may get go more of their was or to be the policeman of the was both the angry tom's and metaphorically. and if briggs can do that in the mind, that is deceptive in the long run, it is probably not only for the wise but even for the united states of america and for china and india and african countries and latin america and everywhere. that is the kind of what are the degree one she know that was where there is one card and see which if it costs the card and see is go to the intensive care unit the
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the $10.00 states a sense of getting an internet man, but of some of those things that got those up on the afternoon. i show some of the number you just didn't talk from the magic. you know, whatever the missed on this meeting goes to the store. yeah. publish sheila or her gift unlimited device, allow me to check or change the subject. you know, one that i do, i'm going to do, i want to delete them each and i'm in the eclipse can we can also just do that. justin mcgill, i'm the mother to release great. the financing uh either a game that are on the road and assume a little ocean. well that procedures people square feet, move the village on the settle,
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not split them huge companies with those checks in their st. mary's was opinions because it was such a penalty. so suddenly, you know, we've got the boy lived in georgia with no way most eating. curtis the the that during world war 2,
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the germans with the help of the ship. the creation revolutionary movement that the independent state of croatia transported hundreds of people have no way to work and force labor camps. the germans wanted the work force to build roads and the infrastructure in norway. so when they couldn't get enough prisoners from serbia, they contacted who was social and the install of discounts that you had the death rate up to 82 percent each, which is actually higher done in the ultimate among the dozens of children. boy did the georgia evo, but not the, and i'll be a little go to the coast for this, or what should the, i type, the owner's school. that'd be good to to this is a good especially since they had the horrible conditions except from the t lease. many people died from surveys,
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hunger as diseases. very few made it back home. also some of which of the logic drove and nickel 9 months you. but you may process on this as well as the not, and then they go over all the while we are just a stone's throw away from what some of the world's biggest political movers and shakers all gathering. we'll be talking through all of that in just a moment. this is all special coverage from the heart of cosign, well, proud the morning. well, he does have been defending the steps of that. just off deadlines, the up to cities, international effort. the chinese leads into an anti prime ministers and south african president are among those getting war russian races off the top seeing down in city time as the summit. so it's a lot of my boots and has ready l tools. so with the indian prime minister there

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