and i don't want to be part of the society. so this perception is creating by the politician to cover their own stupidity. when menard is lived in a majority society, they cannot afford to live separately. we go to the same things, we go to the same restaurant, we go to the same labor market. we have our neighbors, i live in denmark, so everything i do, i do progressive with these people. so i don't understand why this, this issue of a simulation innovation is again, then being brought forward by part of this. and i have looped all my life in your opening in germany, you know, in denmark, i never have a problem with all you may be, but they're quite nice. you can talk to them. the problem is that to when every day politicians come with statements which are empty minorities a disorder and teachers, then people find that argument and they keep that in their mind. and then media

repeats it again and again and again. and that effects people to the politicians for do up to be a duty. then they should consider the ne, in many thing to their live for hundreds of years that they're part of the society . they contribute to the society and visual, no use statements against them that we've had a lot. that's all for this hour. thanks for watching. our kids are national and we hope you have a great day. the

hello and welcome to cross stock. were all things are considered on peter level. one era is coming to an end and another one is coming into being as the west and it's global institutions decline, bricks is position to fill the void. the west is forever in search of enemies, while briggs promotes trade and development, essentially, a win win approach the prospecting bricks. i'm joined by my guess one go on in beijing. he is a journalist and tv host at c dtn under the china media group. also in beach and we have on our 10 sheriff, he is a senior fellow at the ty, hey, institute as well as chairman of asia narratives. and in new delhi we cross the policy sharma. she is managing editor of 1st post and network 18. all right, across type roles and effect, that means you can jump any time you want and i would just appreciate with due respect to the gentleman on the panel, i am a very conservative man,

so i will go to ladies. first we will go to new delhi of healthy i think it's very interesting. is that in 2001 at golden sacks, a, an investment uh firm. they came up with the acronym brakes and it was basically a vehicle to invest or plunder. whatever word you want into the developing world, and now we have the 16 summit breaks in cars on is quite amazing. and the idea that was born in the west has been taken over and developed by the global south. i think that's a very interesting chronology. go ahead, it is indeed on the bus and will find the town about and he has said that i don't see the point of this group anymore. a boss from the fact that the us is not a, it's so the rest is watching what the ricks is. doing and the bricks have test a the, the number of members as soon as you know, and this is the guy that, that people seen being talked about and discussed brakes last smell consist of stan, emerging economies representing more than 45 percent of the,

the population that nearly 27 percent of the was gdp, so the potential is immense. and having said that, the bricks needs to do a lot of work. the stroke of the, the invitation to a stroke of getting more members in the stroke of building an alternative border. so a very ambitious agenda that the rich countries have set for themselves of the hope that they won't be get of both off or more effective. and they are able to solve the problems that the rest and the rest. and the lead order has not been able to solve it while, while i'm in beijing, i mean a lot of whatever cut it, but little coverage it gets in the west. it is. this is a counter block of russia, china block india block against the west. that is a mis characterization of bricks. as matter fact, it's just the opposite. it doesn't look for a confrontation like the west does the west as hyper aggressive right now in bricks is a breath of fresh air saying no trade in development. an alternative institutions that

are not controlled by the west is the way forward. i think that's very a very simple message. that's why i think bricks will eventually work. go ahead and visioning. yes, i mean, breaks is not western, but breaks is not anti west. exactly. meaning it's too much attention is focusing or rather speculating on what brakes might be against. it's time that the paul talked about what brakes is actually for it is for development. it is for peace and this score making people to people bonding and connections. i mean, if you look at a new development bank, for example, formerly known as the brake spike, over the spend, the past 10 years has granted some $35000000000.00 worth of loans to the global south. you know, financing some 105 projects. so we're talking about roads, bridges, airports, and railways, and also agriculture. you know,

i was visiting brazil last year and for example, we were pleasantly surprised by the chinese loan, pink seed technology. no. is it no pink technology that is help impersonating corn to double and triple there? yeah. what's with the, in a given piece of land that the chinese technology is accounting for over 60 percent depreciated corner market share. stuff like that is about development is about making people's lives better. so i think there has been a whole lot of speculation that mist characterization off or whatever little coverage that is granted to the brakes. like you said, that kind of green more pete or the west needs anatomy. the western military industrial complex needs and ended me. i lived in the dependent on the area for some 8 years as the washington correspondent. and there's has been a whole lot of corruption within the military industrial complex. so against the wishes and warnings of dwight eisenhower lacey us leader, the they, the complex has ever been expanding. so is it the are paying so they have been expanding their ne,

til under the guidance of the us and look what happened now that's what happened. now i know that base, you know, one of the interesting things is that the, the west likes to peddle a rules base order, but the rule space order only benefits the few at the expense of the many. and it seems to me that the bricks proposition is just the reverse. go ahead. well, you know very well that the united states has an empire. we've only been a piece for 231 of 248 years. we solve our problems by taking things from other people, any challenges viewed as a threat and will be met with excess idle and warranty. the response of it is just part of our nature because this is where we are in history. the question is, will we ever transition to civilization where we started thinking about managing the things that we have like our poverty, the fact that we have so many, 10 point one percent poverty, 30 percent of our people can rebuild it above the 3rd grade level. there are so

many things wrong with the united states, but we don't pay attention to them. we try to look outside for enemies to blame for whatever is going wrong with in our country. you know, put in the policy, the, one of the, the, and you've already mentioned in your 1st answer is about institutions. and, you know, again, when i talk about brakes with people in the west, again, they're saying is, is, is this a military block is, is confrontational. and i've already told a man, i've always tried to explain that imagine a world beyond the west, not against the west, but beyond it. you know, financial institutions, de dollarization and you know, i, i'm always the, the, i'm countered by what the dollar is, a safe a currency. and i said, well, if you're a foreign country and you have dollars or a company, you can face sanctions. and i think this is what's given the, the brakes, the impetus because, i mean, if they, they still venezuelan of gold, they steal russian assets, they can steal your assets to. i mean, if,

if this isn't a call for greater unity and break. so i can think of a better one. go ahead and do dally the right to. oh, in fact, i think that's something that the nation president fulton also raised the bridge to the deed, authorized to, to challenge the huge many of the rest and a banking system. and we've seen what happened with 5th, which was supposed to be a non partisan through but, but it was a recognized against a construction brand so, so that really is a challenge. but you must also be mindful of the fact that the us dollars to accounts for almost 60 percent of products is of the world over and why we talked about the dollar i vision. and this, this done has been used and discussed at length for years. now, all the, the, the progress has been limited because there are very many challenges even within the break. so i think the biggest challenge for the bricks as a group is to ensure that all the members are on the same page, that we are able to offer consensus on basic issues of union time. and just to talk

about bringing in the u. b. i. as, as an alternative, and that is something that can be used, but then again, a lot of questions to need to be honest. that's why i think the vivian moving in the right direction. that other lot also, or friends that still need to be figured out. and what they're going to do, how much technology are they going to share and what sort of trust most importantly, breaks members can ensure amongst each other to be able to, to create a platform that was all of us would benefit from now. uh, well yeah. and envisioning, i think one of the biggest problems for me, when you and i, when i think about bricks developing is that, um, most countries in the world because of being from the information infrastructure they learned about other countries. brick increase, learned about other bricks countries through western media. i'm, they gave me like reuters and things like that. this is a kind of information infrastructure that i think is really, really pressing right now. because i don't want to learn about india through

american media. i mean, you're exactly right. uh, to be honest with you. i was a big fan of our indian friends projects in the i. i went on youtube and watches her show often. uh so it is with yours uh the across dock. uh, but i think we need yes, content mediums of understanding. uh, by that i mean the language is because within breaks into a break. so we have a diverse range of countries. the civilizations and cultures represented that is great. but on the other hand, that creates a problem. that is we need a unified voice, a unified medium of the understanding because rely on the western sources of information. look at what, what can happen. i mean, this information, this information uh, simplistic narr, this unknown chomsky pointed this out other than arguably anyone else could have done 40 years ago in his famous book of manufacturing consent saying that the there

and the many not conditions of censorship within the united states. although the us will never own up to the last one, never loved the word, the censorship. i mean, you've got to have donors, you've got to have finance. years from day corporations, you've got to have a good relations with the white house spokesperson that you get to sit in the front row instead of in a bank kicked out like gotcha. and the cost of cnn, uh, was, was by donald trump, so on, so forth. so yes, uh we need better mechanisms. you know, what's that encouraging is there, if you are in beijing right now, like i do, you will be encouraged to see how many russians and indians, or south african studying the chinese language and vice versa. a lot of chinese are studying in johannesburg in st. petersburg dispatch, despite the western sanctions against russia. so people to people bonding is very important with color in each other more as through the filters through the filters . these filters are bad filters are misleading, and filters are,

are counterproductive. i know basically the same question to because i think they, the key word here is under standing. i mean, they, they, the bricks countries know, with the threats of the west. again, you know, the, the, the collective west is at war in one form or another with russia. it's better to stand together than stand alone. and i think that's a message of, of the last 2 years. a, go, i think the grad phrases. it's better to if, if you don't just hang together, you'll hang separately. right? um yeah, i mean there, there is other things i'm, i'm a part of them. i'm a senior fellow at the tire institute. we hold a civilization for them and we've done this for the last 10 years and that's exactly what we're talking about is the kind of communication that is necessary. the confusion said we're blessed with 2 years and one mouth, so we should listen twice as much as we say. and that applies to china as well as other countries. john china has a, you know,

a primary trade relationship with 140 countries unfortunately, but the chinese know very little about the countries there, there, it's improving as i, well, i are, sorry, i have to, i have to jump in here. we're going to have to go to a hard break, and after that hard break will continue our discussion on britain stay with our the russian states. never. i've side as i'm one of the most sense community. most all sense enough in the system must be the one else holes. question about this, even though we will then in the european union,

the kremlin media mission, the state on rochester routing and supports the r t spoke back, keeping our video agency roughly all the band on youtube, the payment services for the question, did you say they replaced the, the, the, the, see the silver so the somebody how can it be that um the ship to the middle east from a country whose top officials constantly complain about shortages of munitions and military equipments is fairly low paying the boy a bit of boss, low grade and then the one uses them with below grade level nominal facility or some of those other staff we, i'm about the easiest kid in the middle. so what are the easiest number,

mobile bubbles, a sort of wellness that will kind of get used to have him come and what level. why are weapons from ukraine spreading over the world? to turn this country into a major arms hub, will continue to bolster ukraine's and forces by rushing them occasionally use that they need to defend their country. the everyone knows very well that we don't sell but known as pineapples or any kind of children's toys. we sell weapons. yes, we're also known in the world as items dealers that we must not be ashamed of then the welcome act across the dock were all things are considered on peter la belcher manual we're discussing breaks the . okay. when it go back to i know, or in,

in beijing or one of the interesting phenomena and thinking about brakes. and i'm, i was a trained to story and, and so you know, your history is important at the end, but it always is important where your starting point is that it breaks is, is challenging in a constructive way, i would say. but i mean, the post world war 2 order that was created and 1945. but if you i, i would prefer to take a much broader look. i think it's, we're seeing 500 years of western domination of the globe be coming to an end and mostly to buy its own its own demise, its own unforced errors. but that is this, that's a huge shift. it's a paradigm shift. and we're all lucky. i think it to be witnesses, they'll see that happening. as i said in my introduction, one were when the world is coming to an end and another one is coming in to be go ahead a yeah, there's been 600 years of met. basically,

you got colonial efforts basically pushed forward by the ability to use canons in the weapons that were superior to the world was conquered by the europeans and then after them the americans. so we're seeing the decline of that. and that whole model was based on if i have the power, i make the rules, i don't have to abate them, but you certainly do. and that is being changed, this multi color world, where a lot of the countries are used to have the majority of the g d p for instance. you know, india had 24 percent of the world's d p in the area that encompasses india today. when the british left, they had 4 percent, so it gives you the kind of idea of the ravages of things that mean, you know, people in the west think that africa is a bunch of savages. actually, they had a civilization stating backs thousands of years before anybody and europe was even thinking beyond the, you know, the rolling of stone around. so, i mean,

there's so many as you were pointing out earlier asking the question, there's a, there's a real information. there's this information out there that has basically made anybody who is not whites and part of europe somehow or less or being. and we're seeing that very clearly in gaza for some reason when somebody is killed then in ukraine and they're white. it's a huge tragedy. it's a moral issue, but when thousands of children and women are being slaughtered there because they're not the right color, it just doesn't matter. so yes, it's a positive change. we need to start thinking about civilizational values, how we manage month, sir, itself, how we understand that there are differences, but we can live with them kind of, of westphalia and idea. so hopefully that will take its course sooner, rather than later. well, i think it is, i'm as a, was what i never had to say because um, you know, when we, in,

in the west they have talked for decades about the rise of china. but, but we know we're looking at many of the countries in bricks. it is the re emergence of these countries, the re emergence of their cultures and civilization on a, on a global scale. you know, the like, you know, indian africa, appropriate examples, you know, or the western mindset of bait. there's a, there's a certain framing of them which doesn't match reality at all, and bricks gives them the strength to show you know, that we're part of a, a global community. but it's not designed and controlled by the west and the less control from the west. the better it can be, i think all of you have and 1st of all, let me, let me think of michael panelist from china for the compliment and thank you for watching of us post you all very, very comprehensively and convincingly argued that the rest and media and shows that we already see each other to filters. um that that's to our

understanding of each other in the global south. uh and, and within the breaks grouping. and that needs to change and we need to be able to speak for ourselves to each other. and, and convey the message directly, and that's very, very important. and yes, it does not. so the rest to talk about all the v margins because that's not a narrative that suits them. and for years, for decades, the other ones will set the narrative. it's, it's important to change that it does not happen overnight, but it will happen with the concerted efforts from all sides. so, so backed up. but having said that, i also want to bring in here be the point that live the rest of the problem all within the breaks grouping. there are differences and there are challenges that if we under please read on the risk of turning it into yet another talk. so yeah, that i and, and i know that has just signed a bought a deal and now things are looking better and that they weren't looking so good in

the last uh, folder audios. there are, uh there is boost. i'll give you behind and these on uh, that's what i'm do not very long ago. so i'm enemies and, and then there was a coming together and it approach small and i guess there are issues that needs to be settled. so i think it's important to acknowledge and address the challenges and the differences in insecurity and a national interest spent. a lot of these of each 6 member brings to the table. if we don't do that, then we like i said, run the risk of not being able to uh, to exploit the full potential of a dispute that has been built over the years. yeah, well, i'm gonna jump in, jump in, go right ahead. i don't go ahead. i just, i disagree re slightly from this point of view. i think the strength of bricks is it does not bring in the political side, because if you start doing that, then it becomes united, many united nations. and that hasn't worked out very well as long as it's 6 to trade. it can bring in other countries. countries that will not normally get along

like in south, south africa. i mean south america in africa itself, in the middle east. there's not uniformity. there are the many differences, but if you make it about territory and you know, areas of influence, you will bog it down if it's just about opening up trait and have element, i think there's a chance for success. well, i absolutely agree. i mean, the good jump in, go ahead, go ahead. i just want to say that truth cannot be conducted in a vacuum. create is just one dimensional relationship that a country has with another computer and all the crew of if i could give an example of buck his dog, which is which is in the doldrums, economically and very keen to the stop trade with india and just position has been very clear that that it has been trained to not go hand in hand so we don't want any of it. i think it's important to, to acknowledge that countries have a multi dimensional integration with each other. and you can update one aspect out

and see that this is all that you're going to focus on, irrespective of what you do with us. look at the border or in, in a, in a security situation. that is not how i don't know what i think. i think the approaches i but i think the one that let me go back to you and basically i, i think the approach is, is i do what's doable. i mean, it's not a panacea. bricks is not going to solve all the world's problems. okay. but what brits can do when i think the help of the brakes is that it can make decisions on its own. you know, for the last 600 years, the world needs the west. permission to do things breakfast saying no, we're winning ourselves off is going to wait ourselves off the off the dollar. for example, we're going to trade in our own currencies that gives you freedom. that gives you sovereignty. go ahead to give you solvency and also digging it to you talk about the dominance us us dollars. it is increasingly becoming a tool for the us as specifically the us treasury department to really control and

manipulate and dominate the rest of the world. and, and the funny thing is, the irony of it all is us sanctions often times defeats as purpose. it's not me who said it's a super rock obama, who said it was john kerry who said that after they retired, you know, think about the us sanctions against cuba. what happened to cuba? average monthly salary of cubans averaging $30.00 to $50.00 a year. what happened to you round after the us anxious either the run the economy contracting 20th and 2019 by 8 to 7 to 9 percent respectively. and to venezuela under the us sanctions. um you know that the. ready us anxious, lied to a 3000 percent of inflation in that very country and even brock obama. i think during his tenure as president does, said that the us sanctions, the us sanctions against cube. i police defeats the purpose. yeah. you are, you know, you're pointing to a larger question of whether the rest that should succumb to the dominance of the

west. i think china has been and therefore brakes for that matter i think, is working consistently to say that to look the west can be our partner on breaks is not the exclusive partnership, but the inclusive one. and when it comes to the argument between honor and my indian friend regarding the debate between security and development, i think the 2 things really go handy hand best way in the present. she's global development initiative and global security initiative are concurrently proposed. and i think that's very important because we cannot have no peace without the ports, without bridges, without safe drinking water without gender equality. and also one last thing should i add, which is focusing more, we should be focusing more on the sustainable development, goes to the united nations, 17 of them, antonio quoterush even said we're failing and badly when he comes to the as the cheese breaks, talk about stds breaks talk about the development. i think we should really move away from that. you know, the logical uh, the bates and, uh, you know, uh you know,

talking to each other through the filters, we should be focusing on those developmental issues. think about the 17 stages. i know 10 years from now, hopefully bricks will be having a summit in one of the member countries. what, what do you hope they'll have succeeded in achieving in the next 10 years? i think traded development is some sort of uniform of trade agreement that covers them that reduces terrace that allows these countries do it. i think the biggest opportunity that is out there, or if you start looking at small micro, small, medium size business entities the world over. they are the backbone of all economies . the digital revolution promises or has the least the potential to link the small entities and to unleash incredible amount of energy that they provide to every single economy that's out there. imagine a world where you simply fill out

a form and that form is the basis of a contract. it covers who is responsible for what you either view a and b don't agree that they want to be responsible, but they want to go ahead. they find somebody else who will take the responsibility and therefore you get rid of a lot of lawyers, a lot of accounts. if you have a digital currency taxation is at the point of transaction. you can then have the bill so that you don't need bills of lading. you don't need to cover some contracts . and all of this, you can have various smart systems that actually monitor both sides to make sure one can pay and the other one will produce. you a, if you are able to do that mode breaks, i think you'll see a completely changed world one that is much better for everybody. well, and hopefully a lot more peaceful. ok. i'm not, i, i'm going to think about, you know, the, the, the problem, the problem of turning this into a little you and i think that's something we have to think about as well. but in

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