right, just to look so common ground the the welcome to cross smartphones where all things are considered on peter lavelle the beginning of the end or the end of the beginning. how should we understand israel strike on iran also? is the wes opening new friends against russia in moldova, and georgia to discuss these issues and more, i'm joined by my guess, george samuel, we in budapest, he's a pod cast through the capital, which can be found on youtube and locals, and assemble. we cross through that 80 a mob p as a historian and political commentator or general link prospect roles that affect that means can jump any time you want. and i always appreciated. all right, let's go to george that kick it up. well judge it me is real, finally did strike against the ran. it was a weeks of hype, a very,

a harsh rhetoric. obviously escalation was in the air, and it was well known that um, depending on the strike that he ran would return. and so he would go up the escalation ladder. well, the strike did happen, but what does it mean to you, george? well, it's just a very good question. it's um, uh if it's there was surprisingly restrained when it comes to is ro. so therefore we have to try to explain why was israel so restrained? well, one of this, um possibility is that uh there is a us selection taking place as well as watching who is going to prevail on um, on in november and will um, act accordingly. so i think that was um what, what does the uh, calculations, i think that is real probably decided to give

a bite and the break. and if it is possible that it is acted in a less risk rain, where have you actually gone for the uh, oil refineries. maybe they would have been uh, some people quitting this um with the washington. it's get some, we don't yet know of you, but we'll find out later what we'll do as far as what the run we'll do in the short term, probably to run won't do very much in the longer term. i think you're wrong. well indeed, move towards some kind of a nuclear capability, because this is the situation is clearly unacceptable due to robin's lee. those whereby and it's a, in the cross hairs of to usually a policy as well in the united states. and it has no means of defending it. so yeah, botanic also the what as a result of the balance of power has not really changed. i mean, the israel,

i agree with george, i think they're political considerations when it comes to washington. but israel house has started seriously thinking about what it means to go up the escalation letter because it's never had to do this before. it has always been able to attack its neighbors with impunity. now it's a lot more complicated take yes, i agree with the last point you made this. what understand it correctly? um i would only draw the opposite conclusion from it. that's what i would say is the balance of power has changed. okay, tens of course, but you'll stay just close by from beach. it has changed. i think it has changed in the sense that we have seen is through this training. it's sort of so as not to be too hot too soon, but you're wrong. so one way you can see this is actually also a way in bridge. iran has proven that it can to an extent already deter is right, right. we don't bought the right now or later. i think that's absolutely true.

but mind reading is that the least trained on the is very the side we can explain to, to an extent probably, i think george is right. the considerations that have to do with the usa. but also that i think they should forget that they also have to calculate the reading and response. right? and i do think there's an element here in which the base science of sift, it seems everyone has a text for the 1st time, which was a very my is the attack, right. and then for the 2nd time, this was a little bit most serious. we have seen that iran kind of so it's some pressure on this, but it has also suffered setbacks. it's made clear because as well, i has in many ways taped, most is. but not only, but my sense is that iran has actually proven that its position is stronger than say, a few years ago. and again, i agree with george that for the wrong and leadership. the key question now is,

are we going to act on this? now if i was having a nuclear arsenal, or are we going to acquire nuclear weapons 1st? yeah, and, and, and i think it's, there's almost an inevitability here about that. but that's a subject for another problem. george it's, it's really interesting when we look over the last year us and the question is all we've just been, why doesn't the bind in ministration exert leverage over israel since, as real as the, virtually solely dependent on us arms and diplomatic support. but, but there is a news opinion commentary then the by the administration actually did exert a lot of pressure on israel, on how if we do um, retail we, which brings up a very interesting and very disturbing question if it's true. because if they have the leverage over israel, when it comes to broadening the war into the region,

why does it need to apply the same or the genocide in gaza? i mean, it is it, it's a, it's a truly disturbing thing to consider being name of a will exert the pressure to stop genocide, but they will exert pressure to stop the expansion of a war your thoughts. and that's an excellent point because it does look as a, as you say that the buy number is ration did, exerts a lot of pressure on israel thing this situation now before is have a, hadn't done anything. so if we look at why is it done it now, then you have to think it's in terms of election calculations that the probably figuring that if israel, where the launch a very serious attack on the around including attacks on uh, oil facilities, including maybe even the tax on the nuclear facilities, then this will try go in the rainy and response. and this will home

a combo harris's re election process because it will say they look, everything is out of control. you brains out of control. the middle east is out of control. and it will read renown negatively against hub. now they need to answer your question, then why? you know, why did they think that? because that's the way they are. that's, that's what matters to them. they really don't care very much about of the appliance of guns, that palestinians, them today very much about 11 on his ball or anything else. so the only thing they care about is that checkbooks the jobs that are the office holders. and so this is versus the reason why that on this occasion was one occasion they got quite agitated because of basically they said they thought that this will damage them. the counselor harris's, the election prospect advocate eco. also, it kind of confirms things that we've talked about in the recent past is that when it comes to hit gemini, the us has a supremacy. but when it comes to re,

they the reading details about how to maintain in a id. unfortunately, a genocide is part of the, you know, making the sausage. i mean, you know, the us wants to maintain the hedge, a monic, a control in the region or a and or denying others that have the gemini in the region, which i think is really important. that's a denial of policy as well. but if you know it again, we showed this how it kind of dovetails as long as it promotes a gemini, western, and gemini everything is else is just fine. everything else? is that this kind of embarrassing detail now i look i, i think that's all true. well, you have said, well, george had said, i would add something, which is going to happen. what, what i see. and, but the also seeing is that the usaa administration progressively to blog whatever you call them, right? they don't give a damn about the genocide, the genocide,

especially of brown people. it does not matter to them, right. this is the aspect of tomorrow dimension, which is incredibly important and horrendous to look at how far they go. it's not totally surprising, but every time they act out like this, it still shopping, right? but these are political deadlines, some s y, which is interesting. this is they don't give with them about the global south. because look, even if they are told of some x and months that switch they not, and they don't care care about the matter to the murder of civilians. they could still st. yeah, it looks very bad to most of humanity. so we have to do something about that and adjust to that and what they've demonstrated over a year now is that they don't even care about this. and i think what this shows is that this american struggle to preserve the empire at the dyna empire as i think

central pacific gemini, everybody, and the word is not on the boat. it's always been built. it's incredibly short sighted and stupid now, which makes you as an incredibly dangerous country. the lottery's trained eyes of the morality, or even by a tiny bit of rationality. nothing is working any more in my view. well, in charge to add to the pessimism the teddy just expressed here. when we see a country like israel squandering a path to the people that are getting in golf to our children. and this is a genocide against children. then we see the lot and destruction of whole neighborhoods in, in lebanon, and they root. but this is a, a power that has nuclear weapon. so mean the big, the big, the nightmare scenario, the new killer age is that you know, a, a rogue states or a non state after we get their hands on one. but there is a, there is

a lunatic state that has nuclear weapons committing genocide. so this should be the most terrifying saw in our telling, but it's not george. no, it isn't because like it's strongly on reserve support, but there is for a israel and therefore it is well believes, but it can get away with everything. now, you know, when it goes, there has to say that the israel's neighbors have not exactly covered themselves in glory um over the past 12 months because no one, no one out of state that has had diplomatic relations with israel. not one of them actually even went so far as the break of diplomatic relations while i'm just said, okay, well that's it. no, no, no diplomatic relations. and again, when we come to all the powers in a way, you know, with where, where, how the policy it'll, where, where is it, where's the brakes westbrooks coming along, ski resolve this plan here is, uh, we're proposing

a conference. everybody has to show up for this piece conference they've, they've put in the field when he said the ukraine. they created the phony baloney peace conference on, on ukraine and his most of the chief, anything. but nonetheless, it was a police like a good, good, uh, global public relations stand. you're going to do exactly the same here we need. and so kind of a piece going for. so this room has been able to get away with everything because they haven't been sufficient count, debating forces. and of course the americans. well yeah, the, the, the america gave us a blank check to is what it's always given a blank check to as well. and it is always well as if they just continue the way they are. george brings up a, a very, very important point is the culpability of the entire international system here. and this is a and condemnation of it to something, something certainly coming to an end. what's coming into being, so it's hard to say gentlemen, i'm going to jump in here. i'm going to go to a short break. and after that short break, we'll continue our discussion on some real mistake with r t,

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we've got the boy lived in georgia with no way most eating. curtis, the welcome back to cross that bullhorn design people available here were discussing some real news. teddy, when they go back to you 1st here, we just had a problem entry election in georgia. it was a proceeding a was me a tight $5050.00. it was. um, uh, the georgians were presented with a russian future or radian future with the you in western values and everything. it was highly propagandized reading, western media and her name was bits, coverage was deplorable. i mean, really, i mean, world critics of western media, but it's reading some of these things just because extraordinary biased and, and highly politicized here. but the,

the george and people have spoken to the ruling party in georgia. dream did. well, i think it did better than far and the more than what the polls said, but of course the opposition called follow. so we could see something like they might done uh from 2014 in ukraine. your thoughts here because and i want to dump tail it into but we have in recent election we have over breath for rent and we had in in molto. but go ahead pretty. you know, um the, the stronger over georgia life has been going on now for at least since 2008. you could say right. and its a geo political stronger most so far. it's not a struggle about the values as all, but it's the values of the packaging and bundle. every body was halfway intelligent, should have caught up to that, right. it's, it's no longer fresh. it's a very old propaganda trick. so that'd be exposed to again. and what is that, if you look at all doing training, but you know,

i have no stake in georgia politics at all. but as far as the read up on the georgia dream is hardly actually a pro russian party. but georgia dream is there are no real rush at parties in georgia. incentive free to do pro, rock direction properties like what every month. but that's the problem. but georgia dream really stands for is to make, stand, retain a balance balance that could actually be very different ages and has the for georgia. the georgia can work with russia, lift china, not to be forgotten, but fits it's building important relationships and is the best grease, which is always the problem. that's the best. it would also be open to working groups the last because look at the way that the relationship between them once i have to ask them to you and georgia on the other side has recently develop all the aggressive steps have literally come from the e u. the commission and i'm from the american government that's been present

sanctions money. it has to be before the funds that you're as from that you, we've had blatant elect somebody to few months on the side of the e u, which basically was trying to leverage, reuse of privileges to tired of georgia. and i thought you will georgia dream out or you will get you a visa, approve of it just any more. it was very, very clear of what was going on. this cogent reimburse, at one point retaliating to every talk, read to record shop, but in response. but if you look at the fundamental process since they're ready to vote this every once and the real problem and the rest is and this was done to ukraine as a way to exec is the same thing in 2013. so we have the problem is that the best says it's only us, you cannot work with everybody, you must have owned the us. it's an exclusive relationship. and personally, whatever else happens in georgia, i am on the side of those who think it's much better to maintain the balance to the externship insect geo political situation. because the other thing that can happen

to you is your rate in future is going to be that of ukraine. exactly. and i think that's what have so many journey we have august 2008 that. that is a recent memory, george of you know, and i, before i forget which legally outrageous selection brought in moldova, where the russian data, the, the, the aspirate and russia, what was effectively blocks from participating, most likely, would have made the difference here. but, and even the, all that electioneering and it was, we have the results. well, you know, it was razors that we can leave it at the judge. what this is really all about is the european values, the euro with land taken off, you know, whole beds kind of soft and fuzzy stuff here. this is all the process of inducting georgia and we'll go back into nato. that's the only thing they care about. the rest of it is just lot go ahead george of the basics i get right. anyone remembers

the rule of the 2008 ward in georgia and he was directly tried go to buy the book or a summit. the problem is and they to a membership, the ukraine, and to georgia, georgia and u. o sat, gosh, really, the president there, georgia, at the time you, the georgia could not to join nato as long as it had on result on conflicts on this 3rd trip. so successfully took it upon himself, he saw that as a signal from need, so that hey, i can now resolve my problems in georgia and then i'll be good to go for a membership of a nature. i just probably given indications by us secretary of state con the lease or rice, but yeah, go ahead. you know, do it, you know, rushes preoccupied with a lot of other things. this is your moment. so there is no question. this is what the goal is here. in georgia and in bold over. and of course,

there's also the question of opening up in the front against russia because, you know, if there was to be some kind of a problem. again, as in 2008 himself will say to posit up, or even though it is going to be a problem with trans new strip. so there's going to be difficult for russia. i mean, ross is very preoccupied with ukraine and they wouldn't be as little as easy as it was in 2008 to a to handle that crisis. and they to knows this. and that's why that's the only value of a georgia envelope. but these are too poor countries, but they, they are in a strategic location of georgia is a very strategic location. i mean, it's, uh, is the eastern uh, coast of the black sea. it's a neighboring target neighbors as it by john. so clearly, this is something that's a great value to a nato, so all are risk about values of l, g, b, g, q, right? so the, uh, the foreign and the agents registration act bull a is just

a lot of of them. but then goes back to your original question, the people, what's going to happen now? well, we know that the opposition was already cried. file the media already a bumping oxygen into these planes. i fully expect you today to say absolutely, though this was a completely bogus election. this was stolen. you need to cancel it immediately. and the, the, with the georgia and president who was going to parachute it in to be the so the pro wes them riley. the weeds match up with these cries in georgia and present it to is a french citizen. correct? was a french citizen, the who was born and lived all her life in france and dope. it was a member of the think civil service throughout her career. only up on her retirement was did they graph up and dumped the into georgia? this doesn't mean it doesn't even do to speak georgian, but a don't to,

to make sure that georgia maintained its pro west. and of course, you know, teddy guy looked very closely at um, uh, the campaigns in moldova, in georgia. and you know what, i don't want to, you know, then surprise you or anything. but it was about corruption, energy security inflation. this is what most voters were talking about. okay. you big, the current mold, open president, came in on an anti corruption platform, but he was running for reelection on, you know, the, the move to the west. i mean, are you banded have corruption to your band and the standard, the other be the energy crisis that moldova was it was, they created it themselves, they wanted, they wanted to up spot market prices for, for oil and gas and no, no, no, no, we don't do that, you know, no, well, no long term contracts with directions. you have to use spa. well, then when the prices go up, the poor country is poor. mm. okay. and that's the way you know, it's the,

the way these campaigns were run is that they will slip back into rushes hands. well, if you look at both of them, what malls opens they actually, you know, border ukraine over. a lot of them don't want that to happen to them. the georgians already know what can happen in 2008. they want to be restrained as well. and the wind wave approach that you, i'm uh, described earlier. i think that's what most people want, but the mandarins in brussels and in washington, se, nope, just exactly. we use a only us go ahead and take, you know, i, i, i wonder also what we have next in both cases might. and of course, i can only get some speculate, but concerning georgia from the letter that i no one have observed recently. my sense is that if that is an attempt by that you visor pass to power suit in the use of people, martin wrote and so on and start a colored revolution again. i think they were faded in georgia. and i think that

because they failed to talk to the transparency law and they, they pulled out all the stops. then, i mean, if you look at the demonstrations against the transparency law, those could easily have been turned into color revolution scenario. and i think they would have been turned into that if only they would have been able to do that . and i think they have tested the limits already and in the georgia in case my sense is the you in the west country. right. once again, a said life to do in georgia and other places, but i think they'd fade. now the model in case i think is a bit more complicated, possibly because of geographic location and positive because it seems to be that the incumbent of toe is already on the side of the best as a severe stopping from a different position. right? um and then i it, it might be possible for you to, to force impose this policy on model. unfortunately,

i don't think this is good for model, but my sense is they, they won't be able to do it in georgia and it's going to turn into that, you phased at the co op of course of course, the other line problem is that every time these attempts made business a phase or in quotation marks succeed for the best, right? because they fail or succeed in bringing down government so they don't like and, and re aligning the geo politics of silver nations every time they, what a lot of damage in all of these scenarios. all of these societies suffer a lot of damage. and what we really need to see, it said at some point somebody forces the best to stop trying, not just to try and fade, but to still try. well is that springs up really interesting cooling because george, i just don't think it's in their dna. i. i, i think that they have such a myopic view, that they truly believe it's about democracy because the mind,

media, nato, and democracy are the same thing. i mean, which is absurd, but i think in their mind. and that's why i think this is very dangerous. and these people are not very nuanced at the end of the day. okay. um when in doubt about pilots, that's what this is. what's gonna happen. i, i, i agree with you, be the, i, i, the not capable of changing cause. so that's why we can already outline exactly what they're going to do. anything targeting may be right, that they will fail. then even if they at us dot triggering violence, you know, we'll have the usual button buildings brand cause and then the media will regardless with a terrifying stories of police brutality. and then we'll hear from entity blinking about peaceful demonstrators and the george and really needs to re run the selection. all of that is probably the ruling a government um will prevail. now this question of then with,

with the model though, because it goes, we are, we still have, you know, the round to go the next uh, next week and we, you know, my assigned to and then okay. and since we already know that the best that was what happened a week ago was uh, was clearly a stolen election. will be kind of interesting again, whether they going to try and steal a big game in the 2nd round. maybe maybe a topic for next week's program here, but i think all 3 of us agree, buckle up, embrace for impact. alright gentleman, that's all the time you know, but i want to thank my guess and the symbol and in budapest and of course the one i think our viewers for watching us here at r t c. and next time. and remember across the apples, the

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