the size it could take to the rest, the interested in. we have a waste of at the same stop by for giving access to the rest and meet. yes, yes we doing here. these are the to be and when we see live feeds that, like what you saw today, surely rush out. and that's something that we can look for that. and how significant do you think it was that the client in farming us, the walls and groans had a nice thing with the south african presidents. diplomatic sit goes that is very significant move. i think these are the transitive, after the 2nd exhibiting last year. ok. me so even the fridge rest, yet they were not quite e got to be seen a more looking around or, or having a meeting with your peer with the cleaning and for the minister. so that, that's quite significant. but most importantly, we should assume that the foresight of applicants lived in sites mediating these conflicts, their way to keep their mate uh, the, the in place did. they know the exact position. and that's why the pipes to the

lessons now to be engaging with the do with the care of the government. but if i was speaking to us, the best way to get to have thoughts on this, so it could. so i'm a tc electra at the university of john his book. thank you. thank you. a, a. thank you for joining us here and all the international coming up next live down with the latest episode across top will be about with more than 30 minutes. see you then the welcome to the prospect full homes were all things are considered. i'm beautiful about the beginning of the end or the end of the beginning. how should we understand is real strike on a ran also is the west opening new friends against russia involved over in georgia to discuss these issues and more, i'm joined by my guest, george samuel,

we in budapest. he's a pod cast where the gavel, which can be found on youtube and locals and assemble. we cross through that. each serial a mob key is historian and political commentator, regina link prospect roles and effect. that means you can jump any time you want, and i always appreciate it. all right, let's go to george to kick it off. well, judge me is real, finally did strike against the ran. it was a weak. so type a very, a harsh rhetoric. obviously escalation was in the air and it was well known that um, depending on the strike that he ran would return. and so he would go up the escalation ladder. well, the strike did happen, but what does it mean to you, george? well, it's just a very good question. it's um, uh if it's there was surprisingly restrained when it comes to it as well. so therefore we have to try to explain why was israel so restrained?

well, one of this, um possibility is that uh there is a us selection taking place is rarely watching. who is going to prevail on um, on in november and will um act accordingly. so i think that was um, well was one of the calculations. i think that this real probably decided to give a bite and a break. and if it is possible that how this really acted in the less rescreen where had it actually gone for the uh, oil refineries. maybe they would have been and some people quitting this. um with the washington, it's get some we don't yet know, i mean, but we'll find out later what we'll do as far as what the run we'll do in the short term, probably to run won't do very much in the longer term. i think you run well in the move towards some kind of a nuclear capability because this is, you know,

this, the situation is clearly unacceptable due to robin's leaders. whereby, and it's a, in the cross hairs of to nuclear power is israel in the united states. and it has no means of defending it, so you have to take also the what it as a result of the balance of power has not really changed. i mean, the israel, i agree with george. i think there are political considerations when it comes to washington. but israel has to start seriously thinking about what it means to go up the escalation letter, because it's never had to do this before. it has always been able to attack its neighbors with impunity. now it's a lot more complicated take yes, i agree with the last point. you may definitely understand it correctly. um i would only draw the opposite conclusion from me. that's what i would say. the balance of power has changed. okay, tens of cause microstates as quote is what i from beach it has changed. i think it is changed in the sense that,

that we have seen is through this training. it's sort of so as not to be too hot too soon, but you're wrong. so one way you can see this is actually also a way in which iran has proven that it came to an extent already deter it is right, right. we don't but the right now or later. i think that's absolutely true. but mind reading is that the least trained on the is there any side we can explain it to an extent? probably, i think george is right. the considerations that have to do with the usa. but also i think we should forget that they also have to calculate the reading and response . right? and i do think there's an element in which the base science of shift it seems over on has a text for the 1st time, which was a very my, is the attack, right. and then for the 2nd time, this was a little bit most serious. we have seen the wrong kind of x, so it's some pressure on this, but it has also suffered setbacks. it's very clear because as well i have in many

ways, tate most is. but not only, but my sense is that iran has actually proven that its position is stronger than say, a few years ago. and again, i agree with george that for the wrong and leadership. the key question now is, are we going to act on this? now if i was having a nuclear arsenal, or are we going to acquire nuclear weapons 1st? that's yeah and, and, and i think it's, there's almost an inevitability here about that. but that's a subject for another problem. george it's, it's really interesting when we look over the last year us. and the question is all we've just been, why doesn't the, by name and ministration, exert leverage over israel? since israel was a little, virtually solely dependent on you with arms and diplomatic support. but, but there is a news opinion commentary that the,

by the administration actually did exert a lot of pressure on israel, on how it would retaliate. which brings up a very interesting and very disturbing question if it's true. because if the have leverage over israel, when it comes to broadening the war into the region, why does it apply the same or the genocide in gaza? i mean it is, it's a, it's a truly disturbing thing to consider. being named with a will exert the pressure to stop genocide, but they will exert pressure to stop the expansion of a war. your thoughts? this an excellent point because it does look as if as you say, that the bind them is ration did exert a lot of pressure on israel thing this situation now before it hadn't done anything . so if you look at why is it done it now, then you have to think it's in terms of election calculations that the probably

figuring that if israel, what to launch a very serious attack on the, the, around including attacks on uh, oil facilities, including maybe even the tax on the nuclear facilities, then this will trigger any rainy and response. and this will home a combo harris's re election process because it was saying they look, everything is out of control. you brains out of control. the middle east is out of control, and it'll re, re town negatively against hub. now they need to answer your question, then why, you know, why did they think that? because that's the way they are. that's, that's what matters to them. they really don't care very much about of the appliance of guns, that palestinians, them today very much about 11 on his ball or anything else. so they only thing they care about is that checkbooks the jobs that are the office holders. and so this is,

this is the reason why that on this occasion, this one occasion they got quite agitated because basically they said they thought that this will damage them. uh, the combo la harris's election prospect inventories also, it kind of confirms things that we've talked about in the recent past is that when it comes to hit gemini, the us has a supremacy. but when it comes to re, they the reading details about how to maintain it. id. unfortunately, and a genocide is part of the, you know, making the sausage. you mean, you know, the us wants to maintain a hedge, a monic, a control in the region or a and or denying others that have the gemini in the region, which i think is really important. that's a denial of policy as well. but if you know it again, we showed this how it kind of dovetails as long as it promotes the gemini western and gemini everything is else is just fine. everything else?

is that this kind of embarrassing detail now i look i, i think that's all true. well, you have said, well, george had said him, i would add something, which is going to happen. what, what i see and, but the also seeing is that the usaa administration progressively the blog, whatever you call them, right? they don't give a damn a blow out the genocide, the genocide, especially of brown people. it does not matter to them, right. this is the ethical tomorrow dimension, which is incredibly important and horrendous to look at how far they go. it's not totally surprising, but every time they act out like this, it still shopping, right? but these are political deadlines, some s y, which is interesting. this is they don't give with them about the global south. because look, even if they are told in some x and months to switch, they are and they don't care or about the murder to the murder of civilians. they

could still st. yeah, but it looks very bad to most of humanity. so we have to do something about that and adjust to that and what they've demonstrated over a year now is that they don't even care about this. and i think what this shows is that this american struggle to preserve the empire dyna and pie as a thing into pacific gemini, everybody and the word is not on the boat or it's always been built. it's incredibly short sight events to put now, which makes you as an incredibly dangerous country that allowed me strange eyes of the morality or even by a tiny bit of rationality. nothing is working any more in my view. well, in charge to add to the pessimism the teddy just expressed here. when we see a country like israel slaughtering a path to the people that are dead and in gaza, our children. and this is a genocide against children. then we see the long destruction of whole

neighborhoods in, in lebanon, and be rude. but this is a, a power that has nuclear weapon. so mean the big, the big, the nightmare scenario, the new killer age is that you know, a, a rogue state or a non state after would get their hands on one. but there is a, there is a lunatic state that has moved to a rep and committing genocide. so this should be the most terrifying thought in our telling. but it's not george. no, it isn't because later it's strongly unreserved support. but there is for a israel, and therefore it is around believes, but it can get away with everything. now, you know, when it was there has to say that the israel's neighbors have not exactly covered themselves in glory um over the past 12 months because no one, no one out of state that has had diplomatic relations with israel. not one of them

actually even went so far as the break of diplomatic relations while i'm just said, okay, well that's it. no, no, no diplomatic relations. and again, when we come to all the powers in a way, you know, with where, where are other files, you know, where, where's that, where's the brakes? westbrooks coming along here is, uh, this plan here is, uh, we're proposing a conference. everybody has to show up for this peace conference. they've, they've put in the field when it can be ukraine. they created a phony baloney peace conference on, on ukraine. i mean, suppose it in the chief anything. but nonetheless, it was a police like a good, a global public relations don, you're going to do exactly the same here we need. and so kind of a peace officer is what has been able to get away with everything because they haven't been sufficient count of anything forces. and of course the americans. well yeah, but what was it america gave us a blank check to is what it's always given a blank check to as well. and then always, well if, if the things continue,

the way they are, george brings up a, a very, very important point is the culpability of the entire international system here. and this is a and condemnation of it. something, something certainly coming to an end. what's coming into being, it's hard to say gentlemen, i'm going to jump in here and we to go to a short break. and after that short break, we'll continue our discussion on some real estate and with our t the a the same wrong. just don't you have to shape house to come to the and engagement because the trail when so many fund themselves will

depart, we choose to look for common ground, the to take a fresh look around his life kaleidoscope. it gives him just a shattered reality, distortion by power to division with no real opinions. fixtures, design to simplify will confuse who really wants a better wills. and is it just because it shows you fractured images, presented as fast? can you see through their illusion going underground? can the welcome act across that bullhorn design people available here. we're discussing some real news. teddy, when we go back to you 1st here, we just had

a problem entry election in georgia. it was a boom proceeding. it was to move on tight, 5050. it was a georgians, were presented with a russian future or radian future with b, u in western values and everything. it was highly propagandized reading. western media today was bits, coverage was deplorable. i mean, really, i mean, we're all critics of western media, but in reading some of these things, just this extraordinary biased and, and highly politicized here. but the, the george and people have spoken. i'm the ruling party. i george and dream of did . well, i think it did better than far the more than what the polls said. but of course the opposition called file. so we could see something like they might done from 2014 in ukraine. your thoughts here because and i want to dump tail it into

what we have in recent election. we have over breath for rent and we had in, in moldova, go ahead cody, you know, um, the, the stronger over georgia life has been going on now for at least since 2008. you could say right. and its a geopolitical stronger most so far. it's not a struggle about the values as all, but it's the values of the packaging and bundle. every body was huffily. intelligent should have caught up to that, right. it's, it's no longer fresh. it's a very old propaganda tricks that we are exposed to again and what it is. but if you look at all doing training, which, you know, i have no stake in georgia politics at all. but as far as i have read up on the georgia dream is hardly actually a pro russian party, but georgia dream is there are no real rush. it tardies in georgia incentive for you to do bro rock direction properties like where everyone. but that's the problem . but georgia dream really stands for is to make, stand, retain

a balance of balance that could actually be very different ages and has before georgia. the georgia can work with russia, lift china, not to be forgotten, but fits it's building important relationships and is the best grease, which is always the problem. that's the best. it would also be open to working this device because look at the way that the relationship between on one side to i sent to you in georgia on the other side has recently develop all the aggressive steps. have literally come from the e u the commission, and i'm from the american government. that's impressive. sanctions money, it has to be before the funds that you're as from that you, we've had brady to elect somebody to few months on the side of the e u, which basically was trying to live a rich we use of privileges to 10 of georgia. and i thought you will georgia dream out or you will get you a visa, approve of it just any more. it was very, very clear of what was going on. this cogent reimburse, at one point retaliating to every talk, right to record shop,

but in response. but if you look at the fundamental process since they already developed this every once, and the little problem in the past is and this was done to ukraine as a way to exec does the same thing in 2013. so we have the problem is that the best says it's only us, you cannot work with everybody, you must have owned the us. it's like so closer relationship and personally whatever else happens in georgia, i am on the side of those who think it's much better to maintain the balance to the exchange ship. in fact, geo political situation because the other thing that can happen to you is your rate in future is going to be that of ukraine. exactly. and i think that's what have so many journey we have august 2008 that. that is a recent memory, george of you know, and i, before i forget with being the outrages selection broad in moldova, where the russian data, the, the, the aspirate and russia of what was effectively blocked from participating,

most likely would have made the difference here. but, and even the, all of that electioneering, and it was, it, we have the results. well, you know, it was razors that we can leave it at the judge. what this is really all about is the european values, the euro with land taken off, you know, whole beds kind of soft and fuzzy stuff here. this is all the process of inducting georgia and we'll go back into nato. that's the only thing they care about. the rest of it is just lot. go ahead, george. the best advice exactly right. anyone remembers the rule of the 2008 ward in georgia and he was directly tried go to buy the, the book or a summit. the problem is and they to a membership to ukraine and to georgia, georgia in u. o sat, gosh, really, the president there, georgia at the time you, the georgia cause not to join nate. so as long as they've had on result on

conflicts on this 3rd trip, so successfully took it upon himself. he saw that as a signal from need, so that hey, i can now resolve my problems in georgia. and then i'll be good to go from membership of a nature i just probably given indications by us secretaries they come to lease or rice, but yeah, go ahead. you know, do it, you know, rushes preoccupied with a lot of other things. this is your moment. so there is no question, this is what the goal is here in georgia and in bold over. and of course, there's also the question of opening up in the front against russia because, you know, if there was to be some kind of a problem. again, as in 2008 himself will say to posit up or if the logo is going to be a problem with trans new strip. so there's going to be difficult for russia. i mean, ross is very preoccupied with ukraine and they wouldn't be as little as easy as it was in 2008 to

a to handle that crisis. and they to knows this. and that's why that's the only value of a georgia envelope. but these are 2 poor countries, but they, they are in a strategic location of georgia is a very strategic location. i mean, it's, uh, is the houston uh coast of the black sea. it's a neighboring target neighbors as it by john. so clearly this is something that's a great value, too late so, so all are risk about values of l g, b, t q, right? so the, the foreign it agents registration act, bull, uh, is just a lot of, uh, how did then go back to your original question, the people, what's going to happen now? well, we know the opposition was already cried. file the media already up a bumping oxygen into these planes. i fully expect you today to say absolutely though this was a completely bogus election. this was stolen. you need to cancel it immediately.

and the, the, the georgia and president who was going to parachute it in to be the so the pro wes them riley the wage nachos these cries in georgia and president who is a french citizen. correct. who is a french citizen, the who is born and lived all her life in france and the, was a member of the thing civil service throughout her career. but only up on her retirement was did they grab up and dumped the into georgia? this doesn't mean it doesn't even do to speak georgian, but a don't to that. to make sure that georgia maintained it's pro west. then of course, you know, teddy guy looked very closely at um, uh, the campaigns in moldova, in georgia. and you know what, i don't want to, you know, surprise you or anything, but it was about corruption, energy security inflation. this is what most voters were talking about. okay. thank you. big the current mold,

open president came in on an anti corruption platform. but tim is running for reelection on you know the the move to the west, i mean for you band it has corruption to your band and the standard, the other the, the energy prices bit moldova was they created themselves, they want, they want adapt spot market prices for, for oil and gas and no, no, no, no, we don't do that. you know? no, well, no long term contracts with directions. you have to use spa. well then when the prices go up, the poor country is poor. me, okay? and that's the way you know, i mean, the way these campaigns were run is that they will slip back into rushes hands. well, if you look at both of them, what malls odms, they actually, you know, border ukraine, which a lot of them don't want that to happen to them. the georgians already know what can happen in 2008. they want to be restrained as well. and the when, when approach that you, i'm uh, described earlier,

i think that's what most people want. but the mandarins in brussels in, in washington say, no, just exactly we use, they only us go ahead and take, you know, i, i, i wonder also what will happen next in both cases. right, and of course i can only get some speculate, but concerning georgia funds and literally i know one have observed recently. my sense is that if that is an attempt by that you buys a bass to power suit in the use of people not enrolled. and so on and start a colored revolution again, i think they were faded in georgia. and i think that because they failed to talk with the transparency law and they, they pulled out all the stops. then. i mean, if you look at the demonstrations against the transparency law, those could easily have been turned into kind of revolution scenario. and i think they would have been turned into that if only they would have been able to do that . and i think they have tested the limits already and in the georgia in case my

sense is the you in the west country. right. once again, a said like to do in georgia and other places, but i think they'd fade now as a model and chairs. i think is a bit more complicated, possibly because of geographic location and positive because it seems to be that the incumbent of store is already on the side of the best as a severe stopping from a different position. right? um, again i it, it might be possible for you to, to force impose this policy on model. unfortunately, i don't think this is good for model, but my sense is they, they won't be able to do it in georgia and it's going to turn into that. you face the, at the co op of course of course, the underlying problem is that every time these attempts made business a phase or in quotation marks succeed for the best, right. but as they fail to succeed in bringing down governments,

they don't like and re aligning the geo politics of silver nations every time they what a lot of damage in all of these scenarios. all of these societies suffer a lot of damage. and what we really need to see, it said at some point somebody forces the best to stop trying, not just to try and fade, but to still try. well, is that springs up really interesting point because george, i just don't think it's in their dna. i. i think that they have such a myopic view of it, and they truly believe it's about democracy because the mind, media, nato, and democracy are the same thing. i mean, which is absurd, but i think in their mind, that's why i think this is very dangerous. and these people are not very nuanced at the end of the day. okay. now when in doubt, pilots, that's what this is, what's gonna happen. i, i, i agree with you, be the, i, i, they're not capable of changing cause. so that's why we can already outline

exactly what they're going to do. and i think terry maybe writes that um, that they will fail, that even if they uh, start triggering violence, you know, will have the usual button, buildings brand cause and then the media will regardless with terrifying stories of police brutality. and then we'll hear from end to the blinking about peaceful demonstrators and the george and really needs to re run the selection. all of that is probably the ruling a government um will prevail. now this question of done with, with the model though, because it goes, we are, we still have, you know, the round to go the next uh, next week and we, you know, my assigned to and then okay, and since we already know that but, but that was what happened a week ago was uh, was clearly a stolen election. we'll be kind of interesting again, whether they going to try and steal a big game in the 2nd round, maybe maybe

a topic for next week's program here. but i think all 3 of us agree, buckle up, embrace for impact. alright gentleman, that's all the time you know, but i wanna thank my guess and the symbol and in budapest and of course i want to thank our viewers for watching us here at our tc and next time. and remember across the apples, the, the water is a part of it that the employee would post isn't the deepest view of us and that in the word part, is it something deeper, more complex might be present there. let's stop without places. let's go part of

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