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the welcome to cross mental horns were all things considered? i'm beautiful about the beginning of the end or the end of the beginning. how should we understand is real strike on iran also is the west opening new friends against russia in they'll dover and georgia to discuss these issues and more. i'm joined by my guess, george samuel, we in budapest, he's a pod cast through the gavel, which can be found on youtube and locals and assemble. we cross through that 80. a mob key is a historian and political commentator, regina link prospect roles and effect. that means you can jump any time you want, and i always appreciate it. all right, let's go to george to kick it up. well, judge me is real, finally been strike against around. it was a weeks of hype,

a very, a harsh rhetoric. obviously escalation was in the air, and it was well known that um, depending on the strike that he ran would return. and so he would go up the escalation ladder. well, the strike did happen, but what does it mean to you, george? well, it's just a very good question. it's um, uh if it's there was surprisingly restrained when it comes to it as well. so therefore we have to try to explain why was israel so restrained? well, one of this, um possibility is that uh, there is a us selection taking place as well as watching who's going to prevail on um, on in november and we'll act accordingly. so i think that was one of the calculations. i think that is real probably decided

to give a bite and the break. and if it is possible that it is acted in a less risk rain, where have you actually gone for the uh, oil refineries. maybe they would have been, uh, some people quitting this um with the washington. it's get some, we don't yet know of you, but we'll find out later what we'll do as far as what the around will do in the short term, probably to run won't do very much in the long go to. i think it wrong. well indeed, move towards some kind of a nuclear capability because this is the situation is clearly unacceptable. do robins leave those whereby and it's a, in the cross hairs of to usually a pals as well in the united states. and it has no means of defending it. so you have to take also the what is the result of the balance of power has not really changed. i mean, the israel,

i agree with george. i think there are political considerations when it comes to washington. but is real house to start seriously thinking about what it means to go up the escalation letter, because it's never had to do this before. it is always been able to attack its neighbors with impunity. now it's a lot more complicated take yes, i agree with the last point. you may definitely understand it correctly. um i would only draw the opposite conclusion from it. that's what i would say. the balance of power has changed. okay, tons of coursework you'll state disclosure is what i from beach it has changed. i think it is changed in the sense that, that we have seen is through this training. it's sort of so as not to be too hot too soon, but you're wrong. so one way you can see this is x c also away in bitch, iran has proven that it can to an extent already deter it is right, right? we don't but the right now or later. i think them that's absolutely true. but my

reading is that that was trained on the is very the side we can explain to, to an extent probably, i think george is right. the considerations that have to do with the usa. but also i think we shouldn't forget that. they also have to calculate the reading and response, right? and i do think there's an element in which the base science of shifted. same silver arm has a text for the 1st time, which was a very my, is the attack, right? and then for the 2nd time, this was a little bit more serious. we'd have seen that iran kinda makes so it's some pressure on this, but it has also suffered setbacks. it's very clear because as well, i has in many ways take losses, but not only, but my sense is that iran has actually proven that its position is stronger than say a few years ago. and again, i agree with george that for the wrong and leadership the key question now is,

are we going to act on this now if i was having a nuclear arsenal or are we going to acquire nuclear weapons 1st, i do. yeah. and, and, and i think it's, there's almost an inevitability here about that. but that's a subject for another problem. george, it's, it's really interesting when we look over the last year. and the question is, how we spend, why doesn't the, by the end of ministration exert leverage over israel, since israel was a little, virtually solely dependent on us arms and diplomatic support. but, but there is news opinion and commentary that the, by the administration actually did exert a lot of pressure on israel, on how it would retaliate. which brings up a very interesting and very disturbing question if it's true. because if the help leverage over israel, when it comes to broadening the war into the region,

why doesn't apply the same or the genocide in gone? so, i mean, it is, it's a, it's a truly disturbing thing to consider. being named with a will exert the pressure to stop genocide, but they will exert pressure to stop the expansion of a war your thoughts. and that's an excellent point because it does look as a so as you say that the bind them, this ation did exert a lot of pressure on israel thing this situation now before it hadn't done anything . so if you look at why is it done it now, then you have to think it's in terms of election calculations that the probably figuring that if israel, what to launch a very serious attack on the around including attacks on uh, oil facilities, including maybe even the tax on the nuclear facilities, then that's what trego and the uranian response. and this will home

a combo harris's re election process because we'll say may look, everything is out of control, your brains out of control and the least is out of control. and it'll have a great retirement negatively against huck. now, they need to answer your question then why, you know, why does they think that? because that's the way they are. that's, that's what matters to them. they really don't care very much about of the appliance of guns, that palestinians, them today very much about 11 on his ball or anything else. so they only thing they care about is the checkbooks, the jobs, the or the office holders. and so this is, this is the reason why that on this occasion was one occasion they got quite agitated because of basically they said they thought that this will damage them. uh, the counselor harris's, the election prospect advocate eco. also, it kind of confirms things that we've talked about in the recent past is that when it comes to head gemini, the us has a supremacy. but when it comes to re,

they the grinning details about how to maintain in a id. unfortunately, and a genocide is part of the, you know, making the sausage. i mean, you know, the us wants to maintain a hedge, a monic, a control in the region or a and or denying others that have the gemini in the region, which i think is really important. that's a denial of policy as well. but if you know it again, we showed this how it kind of dovetails as long as it promotes the gemini western and gemini everything is else is just fine. everything else? is that this kind of embarrassing detail now i look i, i think that's all true. well, you have said, well, george had said him, i would add something, which is going to happen. what, what i see and, but the also seeing is that the usaa administration progressively the blog, whatever you call them, right?

they will give a damn about the genocide, the genocide, especially of brown people that does not matter to soon bye. this is the aspect of tomorrow dimension, which is incredibly important and horrendous to look at how far they go. it's not totally surprising, but every time they act out like this, it still shopping right. but these are political deadlines. smith's why, which is interesting, this is they don't give with them about the global south. because look, even if they are told of some x and months that switch they are, and they don't care about the murder of children at the murder of civilians. they could still st. yeah, it looks very bad to most of humanity. so we have to do something about that and adjust to that and what they've demonstrated over a year now is that they don't even care about this. and i think what this shows is that this american struggle to preserve the empire to that dyna empire as i think

central pacific gemini, everybody, and the word is not only both, it's always been built. it's incredibly short sighted and stupid now, which makes you as an incredibly dangerous country that allows me strained eyes of the morality or even by a tiny bit of rationality. last thing is working on and one might be well in charge to add to the pessimism that teddy just expressed here. when we see a country like israel, us laundering a path to the people that are dead and in gaza, our children. and this is a genocide against children, then we see the lot and destruction of whole neighborhoods in, in lebanon, and be rude. but this is a, a power that has nuclear weapon. so mean the big, the big, the nightmare scenario of the new killer age is that, you know, a, a rogue state or a non state after would get their hands on one. but there is a, there is a lunatic state that has moved to what happens committing genocide. so this should

be the most terrifying saw in our time. but it's not of george. no, it isn't because of the extraordinary unreserved support that there is for a israel. and therefore, it is around believes, but it can get away with everything. now, you know, when it goes, there has to say that the, israel's neighbors have not exactly covered themselves in glory um over the past 12 months because no one, no one arrow state that have had diplomatic relations with israel. no, one of them actually even went so far as the break of diplomatic relations one just said, okay, well that's a no, no, no diplomatic relations. and again, when we come to all the powers in a way, you know, with where, where, how the power was, you know, where, where is it? where's the brakes? westbrook's coming along. he resolved this plan here is we're proposing

a conference. everybody has to show up for this piece conference. they, they put in the field when he came, the ukraine. they created the phony baloney peace conference on, on ukraine and his most of the chief, anything. but nonetheless, it was a police like a good, a global public relations fund. you're going to do exactly the same here we need. and so kind of a piece going for. so this room has been able to get away with everything because they haven't been sufficient counts of anything forces. and of course the americans . well, yeah, the google say america gave the blank check to is what it's always given a blank check to as well. and it is always well as if they just continue the way they are. george brings up a, a very, very important point is the culpability of the entire international system here. and this is a and condemnation of it. something, something certainly coming to an end. what's coming into being, so it's hard to say gentlemen, i'm going to jump in here. i'm going to go to a short break. and after that short break, we'll continue our discussion on some real mistake with r t,

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i'm with them. you as customers need declassified criminal cases from the central archive of the k g b, a better rules shed light on the atrocity. and on so numerous questions that have remained an onset for many years. watch on oxy, the welcome act. across that bullhorn design, people available here were discussing some real news. take, let me go back to you 1st. here. we just had a parliamentary election in georgia. it was a proceeding a was me, a tight, $5050.00. it was a georgians, were presented with a russian future or radian future with b, e, u in western values and everything. it was highly propagandized reading, western media and it was bits, coverage was deplorable. i mean, really, i mean,

we're all critics of western media, but in reading some of these things just was extraordinarily biased and, and highly politicized here. but the, the george and people have spoken of the ruling party in georgia. dream did. well, i think they did better than far the more than what the polls said, but of course the opposition called follow. so we could see something like they might gone from 2014 in ukraine. your thoughts here because and i want to dump tail it into what we have in recent election. we have over for a friend and we had in, in molto. but go ahead cody, you know, the, the stronger over georgia life has been going on now for at least since 2008, you could say right. and it's a geo political stronger, most so far. it's not a struggle about the values as all, but it's the values of the packaging and bundle. every body was huffily.

intelligent should have caught up to that, right. it's, it's no longer fresh. it's a very old propaganda tricks that'd be exposed to again, and leave. what is that? if you look at the origin dream, but you know, i have no stake in georgia politics at all. but as far as i have read up on the georgia dream is hardly actually a pro russian party, but georgia dream a is, there are no fro rush. it parties in georgia incentive for you to do bro rock direction properties like what everyone. but that's the problem, but the origin dream really stands for is totally extend, retain a balance the balance that could actually be very different ages and has the for georgia, the georgia campbell with russia lift china not to be forgotten but fits it's building important relationships. and is the best grease which is always the problem, that's the best. it would also be able to work in groups device because look at the way that the relationship between on one side to i sent to you and georgia on the

other side has recently develop all the aggressive steps have literally come from the e u. the commission and i'm from the american government that's been impressed on sanctions money. it has to be before the funds that you're, as from that you, we've had brady to elect somebody to few months on the side of the e u, which basically was trying to live a rich views of privileges to tired of georgia. and i thought you will georgia dream out, or you will get you a visa, prove it, it just any more. it was very, very clear of what was going on. this cogent reimburse, at one point retaliating to every talk, right? to record shop, right and response. but if you look at the fundamental process since they're ready to vote this as one and the real problem and the rest is and this was done to ukraine as a way to exec is the same thing in 2013. so we have the problem is that the best says it's only us, you cannot work with everybody, you must have owned the us. it's like so close a relationship. and personally,

whatever else happens in georgia, i am on the side of those who think it's much better to maintain the balance for the externship insight to your political situation. because the other thing that can happen to you is your rate in future is going to be that of ukraine. exactly. and i think that's what have so many journey we have august 2008 that. that is a recent memory, george of you know, and i, before i forget with being the outrages selection broad in moldova, where the russian definitely the, the aspirate and russia, what was effectively blocked from participating, most likely would have made the difference here. but, and even the, all that electioneering and it was, we have a whole the result. well, you know, it was razors that we can leave it at the judge. what this is really all about is the european values, the euro with land taken off, you know, whole beds kind of soft and fuzzy stuff here. this is all the process of inducting

georgia and we'll go back into nato. that's the only thing they care about. the rest of it is just lot. go ahead george. that's it. that's exactly right. anyone remembers the rule of the 2008 ward in georgia. he was directly tried going to buy the book or a summit. the problem is and they to a membership to ukraine and to georgia, georgia in u. o sat, gosh, really, the president there, georgia, at the time you, the georgia clinic not to join nato as long as it had on result on conflicts on his 3rd trip. so successfully took it up on him, so it'd be so that as a signal from need to of the hey, i can now resolve my problems in georgia and then i'll be good to go for the membership of a nature. i just kind of want to given indications by us secretary of state on the lease or rice, but yeah, go ahead, you know, do it, you know, rushes preoccupied with

a lot of other things. this is your moment. so there is no question. this is what the goal is here in georgia and in bold over. and of course, there's also the question of opening up in the front against russia because, you know, if there was to be some kind of a problem. again, as in 2008 himself will say to posit up, or even though there's going to be a problem with trans new strip. so there's going to be difficult for russia. i mean, russia is very preoccupied with ukraine, is they wouldn't be as little as easy as it was in 2008 to a to handle that crisis. and they to knows this. and that's why that's the only value of a georgia envelope. but these are 2 poor countries, but they, they are in a strategic location of georgia is a very strategic location. i mean, it's, uh, is the houston uh coast of the black sea. it's a neighboring target neighbors as it by john. so clearly, this is something that's

a great value to nato, so all are risk about values of l, g, b, d q, right? so the, the foreign it agents registration i with is just a lot of, of them. but then goes back to your original question. the people, what's going to happen now? well, we know that the opposition has already cried. file the media already a bumping oxygen into these planes. i fully expect the e u today to say absolutely though this was a completely bogus election. this was stolen. you need to cancel it immediately and the, the, the georgia and president was going to parachute today is to be the so the pro wes, them spray the wage mitchell with these cries in georgia and president to is a french citizen. correct? was a french citizen, the who was born and lived all her life in france and who was a member of the civil service throughout her career and pulling me up on her

retirement was did they grab up and dumped the into georgia? this doesn't mean it doesn't even really speak georgian, but the don't to, to make sure that georgia maintained it's pro western. uh course, you know, teddy guy looked very closely at um, uh, the campaigns in moldova, and georgia. and you know what, i don't want to, you know, then surprise you or anything. but it was about corruption, energy security inflation. this is what most voters were talking about. okay. you like the current mold, open president, came in on an anti corruption platform, but he was running for reelection on, you know, the, the move to the west. i mean for you, you banded have corruption to your band and the standard to be the energy prices bit. moldova was it was they created it themselves. they want, they want adapt spot market prices for, for oil and gas, and no, no, no, no,

we don't do that. you know? no, well, no long term contracts with directions. you have to use spa. well then when the prices go up, the poor country is poor. mm hm. and that's the way you know. i mean, the way these campaigns were run is that they will slip back into rushes hands. well, if you look at both of them, what most opens they actually, you know, border ukraine with a lot of them don't want that to happen to them. the georgians already know what can happen in 2008. they want to be restrained as well. and the when, when approach that you, i'm uh, described earlier, i think that's what most people want, but the mandarins in brussels and in washington, se, nope, just exactly what you say. only us go ahead and tell you to know i, i, i wonder also what will happen next in both cases. right, and of course, i can only get some speculate but concerning georgia from the letter i know one have observed recently. my sense is that if that is an attempt by that you buys

a bass to power suit in the use of people, mountain road and so on and start a colored revolution again, i think they were faded in georgia. and i think that because they failed to talk with the transparency law and they, they pulled out all the stops, then, i mean, if you look at the demonstrations against the transfer into law, those could easily have been turned into color revolution scenario. and i think they would have been turned into that if owned needs and would have been able to do that. and i think they have tested the limits already and in the georgia in case my sense is the you in the west country, right. once again, a said life to do in georgia and other places, but i think they'd fade. now the model i'm curious, i think is a bit more complicated, possibly because of geographic location and positive because it seems to be that the incumbent of toe is already on the side of the best as a severe stopping from a different position. right?

um, again i it, it might be possible for you to, to force impose this policy on model. unfortunately, i don't think this is good for model, but my sense is they, they won't be able to do it in georgia and it's going to turn into them. not that you face the, at the co op of course. but of course, the other line problem is, is that every time these attempts made business a phase or in quotation marks succeed for the best, right. but they fail to succeed in bringing down government. so they don't like and re aligning the geo politics of silver nations every time they do a lot of damage in all of these scenarios, all of these societies suffer a lot of damage. and what we really need to see, it said at some point somebody forces the best to stop trying lots us to try and fail, but to still try. well here's is that springs up really interesting calling because

george, i just don't think it's in their dna. i, i, i think that they have such a myopic view of it, and they truly believe it's about democracy because the mind, media, nato, and democracy are the same thing. i mean, which is absurd, but i think in their mind. and that's why i think this is very dangerous, and these people are not very nuanced at the end of the day. okay. now, when in doubt about pilots, that's what this is, what's gonna happen. i, i, i agree with you, be the, i, i been not capable of changing cause. so that's why we can already outline exactly what they going to do. and i think targeting may be right that they will fail then even if they uh, start triggering violence. you know, will have the usual button, buildings brand cause and then the media will regardless with a terrifying stories of police brutality. and then we'll hear from entity blinking about peaceful demonstrators and the george and really need to rerun the selection

. all of that is probably the ruling a government um will prevail. now the question of then with, with the model though, because it goes, we are, we still have in other round to go the next uh, next week and we can, you know, my assigned to and then okay. and since we already know that the best bet and what, what happened a week ago was uh, was clearly a stolen election. will be kind of interesting again, whether they going to try and steal a big game in the 2nd round. maybe maybe a topic for next week's program here, but i think all 3 of us agree, buckle up, embrace for impact or a gentleman that's all the time. i want to thank my guess and assemble and in budapest and of course i want to thank our viewers for watching us here at r t c. and next time. and remember across the apples the,

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