the insides in the rest and no more precisely, he knows that i have left school for the the hello and welcome to cross ok. we're all things are considered. i'm theatre labelle . if you're a consumer of western media and it's propaganda is likely believe israel with, of course, american support is we making the middle east. the fact is, israel and washington are far from winning on this edition of the program. we explain why the prospecting is real and the middle east. i'm joined by my guess mohammed mirandi

until then he is a professor at the university of the around in a symbol we have sent me out around. he is director of the center for islam and global affairs at assemble as i am university and, and i'm on, we cross it down to colby, he is an award winning palestinian journalist and i'll call him this with arrow of news and i'll, i'll monitor. alright gentlemen, cross talk rules and effect, that means you can jump any time you want, and i always appreciate, well, how many let me go to you 1st, then turn around. i've titled this to pro a program is israel winning. but before we consider that issue, what is the condition of the, what is called the axis of resistance? i, i liked the term is fine with me. well, how, what is the state of the resistance as we speak now? i think it's doing very well. the as randy regime once upon a time when they would invade, they would go all the way to the suez canal. now they're stuck in gaza. they can take this doc on the map and the resistance from us has stomach to hot. they are

continuing the site and then on the border 11 on once, upon a time in 1982, they went all the way to bay route and captured the city. and he got there in days . now after a month, they're stuck on the border. they haven't been able to take a single village and of course in their exchange with you, ron, i think the footage of you running marseilles striking is riley targets and the lack of such evidence in the run shows that you run has the upper hand. so i think the regime is doing very bad. the of course westward media always says that the west is winning, they've been winning in ukraine as we all know over the last 3 years and a 2006. they were also re shaping the middle east and i think it was kind liza rice, we had said that the war was the birth things of a new middle east. so we've, we've heard this before. okay, well, as i said, the same questions you sent me,

but maybe slightly adjusted. i mean, we had mom and were mentioning iran's, i'm sorry israel's retaliation for react to retaliation. and it looks like iran is, is maintaining deterrence, something israel in the united states. it hasn't, i've never been accustomed to in the region. your thoughts, sammy, certainly, i mean come from the last episode. the density waves of attacks, but they couldn't get past the 1st one which tells you that they encounter resistance read resistance, where they're not able to go for the other 2 attacks. but feeling tens of thousands of people displacing millions and entered on hundreds of thousands and destroyed civic life is not victory. it is war crime. these are, these are genocide of maniacs who are taking place today and guys. and i think when you look at the objectives, this, the physical object is that is set for itself. you would see that they are not able

even to classify or utilize the resistance. and guess i live alone in other places such as live and on the i'm and, and eat on. so the i to, to answer the question is, is a, the winning, i mean we can consider, it's wondering if it's has a cheese, it's specific objectives so far it has failed miserably. well, that would do that. let's go to a month. i mean, i'm glad to, sammy already brought it up because over the last year i've asked all of my guess what is the strategy, what is the is really american strategy? and the question i answer myself with the help of my guess is it's terrorism. it's just wanted killing of civilians. that's the strategy. it's not going to get them what they want the go ahead and them on what it to the strategy because their strategy is to we can the resistance and the resistance. uh, depends on, on the support of the public. so they're trying to kill the public so that the

resistance will weaken. but the opposite is happening to people that are more supportive of the resistance and the resistance has continued. even though, as we heard united, 6 days it occupied was thank gods assigned. i had to go on and now and they've been a year and god knows it to accomplish their goals. they have not even been able to bring back their own hostages. even. busy they're all over does a so yes, there are other strategies to kill civilians because they think that the civilians, the destruction of property in virginia or crime will force the public to uh, go against their own resistors. and this has not happened. well no, and the, the very fact that we're talking about the resistance it's, it's, it really answers a lot of questions. people are resisting tyranny. people are resisting aggression. now they're on the winning side because they have more what's more resolve to

resist. but the very definition of what they're doing shows the, the, the resistance has the resolve and moral fortitude to move forward. that's something the, is riley stone. tom. you know, the good to your, to his team. guess we're pointing to the, the massacre and the genocide and i think it's probably in the hundreds of thousands in gaza direct in direct that so you have, god knows how many under the rubble and people died of cancer in their lives and all other issues that have come up over the year. that is the defeat. obviously, these are war crimes as pointed out, but i also think it's a, it's a dispute in the sense that israel has, is really received, has undermined itself the access of resistance today is far more popular than it ever has been before. not just in the region, but beyond. today, i see many young people across the world online staying things

that i never thought would i be hearing during my life time. in the past, i'd have to go to your a very good show to hear good critique of the west. now so many people so many young people have woken up to the reality of what's going on. that i feel like i'm not really needed. they do it so well, and it's because there's really, really is carrying out these it's, it's, it's, it's carrying out these atrocities they've lost on the battlefield as in whether it's in yemen or 11 or in gaza and the west back and the west bank. but they, the biggest defeat has been the holocaust itself. this janice hyde has demolished and then they treated me see in the eyes of so many people who in the past complacently thought that it was a legitimate regime. now people are looking their reading history. they're seeing the facts and the regime has, has become

a hated and despised colony in the eyes of people from far off from west asia on north africa. and i think that is ultimately what's going to destroy the regime more than the defeats that it's facing on the borders and 11 on or, and guys, or in the red sea. well, mohammed you are the god father of the of the, the, of the conversation of resistance. you are your very much needed sammy, you know, we've had in the re and the last new cycle is real outlined only. uh, i mean it, the, the, the iron near but all is real, creates a, i'm sorry, the united nations creates is real, but it is real voids on. right. i mean, that is so easy for people to understand all over the world, and it is just appalling that the state of it is a member of the united nations. we do something like that. i mean,

it's amazing. even american officials are very uncomfortable with it. go ahead, send me the sick today is a continuation of the not about what is that in 1948 was to displace 80 percent with an understanding of on demand plus occupied back to 1948. and today they have a problem. they have the quandary because on one hand, they claim to be a democratic state was to practice apartheid. and then you have over half the population today to that, that or but a students. and they can continue to claim to be democratic and the same time say that we're not in apartheid state. so this solution basically is beside the displace palestinians and to invoke another neck of that. and that's what, why would see, and you know, these ethnic cleansing and war semen ation waste against the states. so what they try to do is to outlaw wonder what which has been in existence the since 1949 seems very area on in the and in the, in the, not my days. and what they're trying to do is try to make it very difficult for the

stadiums to stay. basically, the places where they are, whether garza was back or even in other places in dallas for us. and they're doing it in, in plain sight with united nations. this is really a challenge, not just to the, to the pursue. it's a challenge today to the whole what, what are they going to do about it because they have no within their own means to kick it out of the general assembly. they can do that because it's defined all you and doesn't know, since they have been at least $900.00 plus resolutions that haven't been implemented. these are the, the, the, the, the posting an issue, and countless others from the security council. of course not to count. 48. 48. you is vito's when it came to israel. yeah, let's go to a man. it's very interesting, the contempt that israel has for the united nations with the united nations as returning the favor, sammy's absolutely right. i mean, now there is serious talk and me over a year ago, wasn't certain now it's,

you know, should, is, will be a member of the united nations. it's something that's being mentioned. now, this is true. i'm in the united nations and toiled in fault and argued for about 2 years to accept israel into the united nations. and it finds that agreed based on it's road committing to implementing b at a rate of return resolution 194. so now these really are turning around to the very issue that they promised to do, and that was their, that is easy and there was only against honor well, which was established by the americans right away. and that's why the rest of the, to calm down the palestinians so that they don't have to worry about them fighting to return. so in return has not happened. he's really become a un member and, and has violated his own promise. and now they're fighting against on or off or,

or claims in one and investigative committee came a to investigate, ease of use to give them the data. they refused to give them any information. and yet, now, all of a sudden on or what is that acceptable? it's, it's really a ironic with the un allows it's real just a member of you and while he's read, well the, well it is getting to him, it's getting to the point where the united nations itself will be comfortable for this genocide. and that's something very serious to think about, gentlemen. i'm going to jump in here way to go to a short break. and after that short break, we'll continue our discussion on israel and the middle east. stay with darky, the

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throughout the confidence. so my name is sam and i come from england and ask, i'm ready to find out more about the, the mission, hopefully. and the history and the region, the welcome back. the cross topic were all things are considered. i'm little now to mind were discussing the future of israel and the middle east, the okay mohammed up to about a year ago. the west like to claim its moral and civilization. also purity that's gone. completely void. it's gone. and i don't think the in the west doesn't

isn't coming to terms with that. the rest of us have mohammed. yes, it's truly steining. i think that uh this uh, this stain will exist for the rest of my life. i don't think that the us will ever recover at least for decades to come what they've done to the people because of this, this genocide, this, this holocaust is unprecedented in world history. there happened other holocaust that happens in a science, but this was carried out in front of the eyes of the world. we've all been watching this happen day and night. we go to bed and then right before we sleep, we see another chat, an active genocide, we wake up in the morning, we see slaughter kids that's been going on for well over a year. and we're constantly watching western media that try to whitewash the regime. we see western diplomats playing with language to somehow justify the

regime and this is something that people across the world have been watching in, in, in the global majority or the global south. the people see their own history. yeah . hang out of them because they who in their history books at school, they read about the history of their country and colonization. and now they're seeing what happened to their countries in the past happened to another people in front of the eyes. and the americans are never going to be able to say anything about russia or china, or north korea, or anyone in the future. neither of the europeans, because what they've done is so for ethics that everyone looks down at them. i know students a couple of years ago who took part in the, the riots in iran and in the riots were basically about the, the disbelief that was created among young people, especially post corona, that you're on is the problem of the west wants to be friends they want to have normal relations and we're the ones who are, who have a you know,

an obsession with conflict with the west, my own students. some of them who participated 3 or 4 of them at least has come up to me and express remorse about, you know, they, they say we, we've our views of the west of change completely because of the day these young people. and this is true across the world, those young leads, the liberals who thought that the west was somehow they were the good guys. and they believed in women's rights and human rights and children, animals rights and whatever rights. and now they see this happen. so people across the world in people that i know people across in this region, they've turned against the west, and young people in the west have turned against their machines right now in australia. i was just told this morning that you can go to prison. they have a whole team that has the fly out of protests,

whereas the is really regime can carry out genocide in gaza and it's business as usual. yeah. well it's, i mean it, if you've criticized zionism in the united states that's equated with anti semitism . any thinking person knows that's absurd, but you can, you can lose your, your livelihood, you can lose your place that university. i mean, this is a i a, to tell a terry and bent me to send me one of the things that i, i've been observing. you know, there's been this perennial question of wag the dog. whose is it? washington is a tell a b, and i, i think i've kind of squared the circle. i mean, the us wants had gemini, or it wants to deny the hid, gemini, of others is looking at russia. and it's looking at china, a great deal of american policy towards the rent is also directed in russia. it's not so bird, but it's very much there. but for the americans, for to maintain that had gemini or denying had germany to others. genocide is

acceptable. that's, that's the bottom line. if that's what we have to do with, through a segregate like israel, then we find that acceptable, that is the message that is being sent to the world. the 3rd tools, i mean was seen, the united states has been part and parcel of the program. they have been partners in this, not one of the complicit and they are providing the funds, the military assistance, the protection that they can cover and so on. and so forth, so it hasn't been done, even behind closed doors, has been the non guys in the open. we also know that zionism is losing ground, losing ground all over the world, including in the united states. i think this is a clauses that is in that has didn't do it because of what happened in the past year estimates. not only when it comes to the negative or the, even the propaganda war. that the incentive doing the losing badly because people now are looking at all kinds of sources to find what the truth is about the listing an issue or even on the,

on the legal side where they have to be in front of the word court and trying to defend a genocide, that is indefensible, but we also see it on the political side don't things, i mean is it can survive this, whether it is a one state to state which i think to state is, is, is gone. there's no 2 state solution that drain has, has left the station long time ago. but if it is a 100 state doesn't, isn't that is defeated and eventually what's gonna happen isn't the whole word. will insist on the dismantlement of design is to touch us within, punish time, because no one is going to vouch, you know, save the united states, at least they political needs that to, to, to, to, to defend a genocidal government that this intent on. ethnically cleanse, half of the people in the land that is undo. it will, they cannot do this. and i think what's gonna happen is just in very few years, the whole world is going to insist on the dismantlement of this nice doctors. and when that happens, then you have to have it in a hole in your middle east, which is one of the things that they can shape to. it's liking what i think that's

not going to happen. so the, and i'm on this, you know, professor brandy's already mentioned that the kinds of lisa rice famously said this has to be making a, the middle east. and this is, this is folly right now. the middle east is changing, but not changing in the direction that the united states and israel and it's other satellites, the u. k, the european union and etc, with what they're expecting. and that's why i think that is going to be a very, very long conflict. go ahead. well, you know, you've seen ivy league schools in america, harvard and columbia, and others demonstrating about assign, holding individuals, some of them losing their and their education because of how this thing is, the whole new generation of young people who are standing up for about a sign and not because of how to sign, but because of justice because of humanity. i think we have a situation where young people will get their information from

a different source to get your information, not from the legacy media, which design is control, but from social media, from instagram, from kicked off. and because they get the information from other sources, they really get to know that with i think when they stand for about a send, they're standing for their own humanity. and now this young, these young people of ivy league level, that would be the leaders of the us in the future and the other parts of the world . so i do agree that the train is left and i think these are these uh realize that their images is being it'd being tarnished. and that was the their strength. that was the only thing that was keeping the world supporting is where it is because they feel. busy that this was a democracy in them, at least this was a human rights country and they respected as b g, u t and so on. and also now they're part of not only the. busy allies, but they're complicit and more problems in genocide is committing their weapons are being used to kill children and that is. busy it's,

it's driving me crazy because they realize now they're no longer allies, but they're also member. yeah. also violators of the international that you manage or in law and there are criminals. now what i would like to talk about is the media because journalism is usually v. uh, as i say, the truth is a 1st victim of war. but i think we've gone much further than that because it's really. busy has the that is, remember this towards not a single for and the local palace, sydney, germans are being killed interested. so these really just trying to control the, the narrative they're trying to control of how the rest of the world sees what's happening there. and they're lying, but what's happening? they're calling the resistors terrorist and they're saying, i mean, the other day i laugh because the president of his red tweak that this is a war crime because the attack is rarely soldiers as they were 18,

excuse me. if they're 18, you know, you tax them that's, that's a work or how does it work? i mean, when you attack the hospital, or when you feel journalist, when you choose to, well, you're going to say that's a variable. it's a, it's a very thing. it's a very good point that you bring, i'm and we throw it back to mohammed here. i mean, the number of journalists inside of gaza and, and westbank and, and now being targeted in lebanon. i mean, this is another, a telling indication is that they don't want, i mean they, they really, i, you know, the idea of rebels and it's very perverse video is i don't want to go into details on this program here, but they don't want other people to talk about it, they'd like to circulated among themselves in a very weird, a card way. but they don't want anyone on the outside to be able to report them what they see. go ahead mohammed. but they knew, therefore, the good cop again, that they used to be the best. i don't know what happened. i don't either. now i

don't either. it is amazing. they're just terrible here. it's it's, i don't get it. i don't understand how it how it works. i mean, one of these media on this, i think it was kind use, but i'm not a 100 percent. sure. the host was reading the names of the 4 soldiers that was words were just mentioned. they were eating and she was reading their names out. and then in more in the morning that, that, and then you have tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of people being slaughtered, women and children just that just a day ago or so in both in lebanon and in, in gaza. there's 2 or 2 horrific massacres in by the back of in and in gaza. but is anyone reading out the names of these women and children who been slaughter know only that the names of 4 soldiers who were about to are eating, who were about to go into southern lebanon to, to kill people and to,

and to occupied the country that is how bad their propaganda has become, and it's become very, it's become very f is become very obvious as well. and so, you know, we had, you know, 600 years of western colonialism, imperialism, and it was a rhetoric, it was a wretched history. and it's recorded written, you know, and there are some images of it. but we have the same phenomenon on steroids. another western colonial settler experiment and a non western part of the world and it fits with. and now we can all see it's already been mentioned on this program. so many countries in the world have have their history of, of colonialism. and now we can see a in a, in real time, exactly what that must have been for the entire global. so sorry for the speech gentlemen, that's all the time we have. i want to thank my guess and assemble them on and of course and to them. and of course, i want to thank our viewers for watching us here at ortiz, the next time. remember the prospect,

the, the of the, [000:00:00;00] the 1918, the countries of the west, one, the final victory over the ottoman empire. the sultan's government capitulated to the inside and sign the humiliating armesis of little girls. great britain and france and italy wanted not only to destroy the ottoman empire,

but also to divide the prime orderly turkish lands among themselves. in 1919, their armies began to land on turkish territory. but the west decided to choose greece as the main striking force. seeking to make others realize its aggressive plans for an intervention, provo mass, indignation among the turkish people. the national liberation struggle was led by the experienced general mustafah come off as a 3rd. in order to bear down the enemy, a bank on the mobilization of the nation, and the alliance with russia, which acted as a united front with turkish patriots. at the end of august 1922. the third's army want a decisive victory over the invaders. in the battle of doom, libby not and within a month liberated all asia minor from them, the impressive success of the circus army force the west to make concessions. in 1923,

the loss on these treaty was signed. turkey. one of the 1st countries in asia manage to defeat the colonial empires and defend its independence. becoming an example 4 and a millions of viet press on the planet. or the, what is a part of the, the employee would post that isn't the, the place you of us and that in the word or is it something deeper, more complex, might the present good. let's stop without please. is that scope out of