with us like that. well, that's hope this message gets to be at least a palace. my line in alaska is the deputy permanent representative. well, that's a why were you republic to the african union? it's been a pleasure. thank you so much for your time. thank you. so thank you. thank you for joining us here. if there's live program from must go, they say is opt you international and we all back soon with the the hello and welcome to cross stock. were all things are considered. i'm theater, lavelle, if you're a consumer of western median is propaganda is likely believed israel with of course american support is we making the middle east. the fact is,

israel and washington are far from winning on this edition of the program. we explain why the prospecting is real and the middle east. i'm joined by my guess mohammed mirandi until then. here's a professor at the university of the around in this symbol we have sent me out around. he is director of the center for islam in global affairs. at assemble as i am university and in amman we cross it out to calbee. he is an award winning palestinian journalist and i'll call them this with arrow of news and i'll, i'll monitor. alright gentlemen, crosstalk rules and effect. that means you can jump any time you want, and i would appreciate, well, how many let me go to you 1st, then turn around. i've titled this, the pro, a program is israel winning. but before we consider that issue, what is the condition of the, what is called the axis of resistance? i, i liked the term is fine with me. well, how, what is the state of the resistance as we speak now?

i think it's doing very well. the as randy regime once upon a time when they would invade, they would go all the way to the suez canal. now they're stuck in gaza. they can take this doc on the map and the resistance from us to stomach to hot. they are continuing the site and then on the border 11 on once, upon a time in 1982, they went all the way to a route and captured the city. and he got there in days. now after a month, they're stuck on the border. they haven't been able to take a single village and of course in their exchange with you, ron, i think the footage of you running marseilles striking is riley targets and the lack of such evidence in the run shows that you run has the upper hand. so i think the regime is doing very bad. the of course, west wind media always says that the west is winning. they've been winning in

ukraine as we all know over the last 3 years and a 2006. they were also re shaping the middle east and i think it was kind of liza rice, we had said that the war was the birth things of a new middle east. so we've, we've heard this before. okay. well, uh, essentially the same questions you sent me, but maybe slightly adjusted. i mean, we had mom and were mentioning iran's, i'm sorry israel's retaliation for react to retaliation. and it looks like iran is, is maintaining deterrence, something israel in the united states. it hasn't, i've never been accustomed to in the region. your thoughts, sammy, certainly, i mean come from the last episode. the density waves of attacks, but they couldn't get past the 1st one which tells you that they encounter resistance read resistance, where they're not able to go for the other 2 attacks. but feeling tens of thousands

of people displacing millions and entered in hundreds of thousands and destroyed 7th life is not victory. it is war crime. these are, these are genocide of maniacs who are taking place today and guys. and i think when you look at the objectives, this, the physical object is that is set for itself. you would see that they were not able even to testify or utilize the resistance. and guess i live alone in other places such as live and on the i'm and, and eat on. so the app to, to answer the question is, is really the winning. i mean, we can consider it's wondering if it's has achieved it's specific objectives so far it has failed miserably. well, that would do that. let's go to a month. i mean, i'm glad to. sammy already brought it up because over the last year i've asked all of my guess what is the strategy, what is the is really american strategy? and the question i answer myself with the help of my guess is it's terrorism. it's just wantin killing of civilians. that's the strategy,

it's not going to get them what they want, the go ahead and them on what it to the strategy because their strategy is to we can the resistance and the resistance uh, depends on, on the support of the public. so they're trying to kill the public so that the resistance will weaken. but the opposite has happened. the people are more supportive of the resistance and the resistance has continued. even though, as we heard united, 6 days it occupied was thank gods if i not out of the go on and now, and they've been a year and got it to accomplish their goals. they have not even been able to bring back their own hostages. even. busy they're all over, does the so yes, there are other strategies to kill civilians because they think that the civilians, the destruction of property, which is a more crime one, forced the public to uh, go against their own resistors. and this has happened. well, no. and the,

the very fact that we're talking about the resistance it's, it's, it really answers a lot of questions. people are resisting tyranny. people are resisting aggression. now they're on the winning side because they have more what's more resolve to resist. but the very definition of what they're doing shows the, the, the resistance has the result and moral fortitude to move forward. that's something the is rarely stone tom. you know, um, but your to his team guess we're pointing to the, the massacre and the genocide and i think it's probably in the hundreds of thousands in gaza. direct indirect data. so you have who god knows how many under the rubble and people died of cancer in their lives and all other um, issues that have come up over the year. that is a defeat. obviously, these are war crimes as pointed out, but i also think it's a, it's a dispute in the sense that israel has, is really received,

has undermined itself the access of resistance today is far more popular than it ever has been before. not just in the region, but beyond. today, i see many young people across the world online staying things that i never thought would i'd be hearing during my life time. in the past, i'd have to go to your a very good show to hear good critique of the west. now so many people so many young people have woken up to the reality of what's going on. that i feel like i'm not really need it. they do it so well, and it's because there's really, really is carrying out these, which is it's, it's carrying out these atrocities be lost on the battlefield as in whether it's in yemen or 11 on or in gaza and the west bank and the west bank. but

they, the biggest defeat has been the holocaust itself. this janice hyde has demolished the the legitimacy in the eyes of so many people who in the past, complacently thought that it wasn't legitimate regime. now people are looking their reading history. they're seeing the facts and the regime has, has become a hated and despised colony in the eyes of people from far off from west asia or north africa. and i think that is ultimately what's going to destroy the regime more than the defeats that it's facing on the borders and 11 on or in gaza or in the red sea. well, mohammed you are the god father of the of the, the, of the conversation of resistance. you're in your very much needed sammy, you know, we've had in the re, in the last new cycle is real outlined only. uh, i mean, it the, the, the iron. yeah. but all is real, creates a, i'm sorry,

the united nations creates israel, but israel voids on right. i mean that is so easy for people to understand all over the world. and it is just appalling that the state of that is a member of the united nations. we do something like that. i mean, it's amazing. even american officials are very uncomfortable with it. go ahead, send me the sick today is a continuation of the not back. what is that in 1948 was the displaced 80 percent with an understanding as on the land plus occupied back in 1948. and today they have a problem. they have the quandary because on one hand they claim to be a democratic state was to practice apartheid. and then you have over half the population today to that, that or by the students. and they can continue to claim to be democratic and the same time say it wouldn't let them apartheid state. so this solution basically is beside the displace palestinians and to invoke another neck of that. and that's

what, why would see, and you know, these ethnic cleansing and war semen ation waste against the states. so what they try to do is to outlaw wonder what which has been in existence, they since 1949 seems very area on in the, in the, in the, not my days. and what they're trying to do is try to make it very difficult for the stadiums to stay. basically, the places where they are, whether garza was back or even in other places in dallas for us. and they're doing it in, in plain sight with united nations. this is really a challenge, not just to the, to the percentage of china today to the whole what, what are they going to do about it because they have no within their own means to kick is right out of the general assembly. they can do that because it's defined all you and doesn't know, since they have been at least $900.00 plus resolutions that haven't been implemented. these are the, the, the, the, the kind of thing, an issue. account this others from the security council. of course not to count

4848. you is vito's when it came to as well. yeah. let's go to a non it's, it's very interesting the contempt that israel has for the united nations with the united nations, as returning the favor, sammy's absolutely right. i mean, now there is serious talk and i'll go over a year ago, wasn't certain. now it's, you know, should, is, will be a member of the united nations. it's something that's being mentioned. now, this is true. i'm in the united nations and it toiled in fault and argued for about 2 years to accept israel into the united nations. and it finds that agreed based on it's road committing to implementing b at a rate of return resolution 194. so now these varies are turning around to the very issue that they promised to do. and that was very easy and they're going against all which was established by the americans. right. what?

so that's why the rest of the, to calm down the palestinians so that they don't have to worry about them parking to return. so the return is not happen, is rarely become a un member and, and has violated its own promise. and now they are fighting against honorable for 4 claims. and one and investigative committee came a to investigate ease of use to give them the data, they refused to give them any information. and yet now, all of sudden otherwise is that it's up to vote it's, it's really a ironic with the un allows. it's really just a member of you and while he's read well the you, well, it is getting to him, it's getting to the point where the united nations itself will be culpable for this genocide. and that's something very serious to think about. gentlemen. i'm going to jump in here way to go to a short break, and after that your break. we'll continue our discussion on israel and the middle, the state with our team, the take

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the okay home and up to about a year ago. the west like to claim its moral and civilization. also purity. that's gone. completely void. it's gone. and i don't think the in the west doesn't isn't coming to terms with that. the rest of us. half mohammed yes. it's truly study. i think that uh this uh, this stain will exist for the rest of my life. i don't think that the school ever recover at least for decades to come. what they've done to the people because of this, this genocide, this is holocaust, is unprecedented. in world history, there happened other holocaust. there had been genocides, but this was carried out in front of the eyes of the world. we've all been watching this happen day and night. we go to bed and then right before we sleep, we see another jet,

an active genocide. we wake up in the morning. we see slaughter kids that's been going on for well over a year. and we're constantly watching western media that try to whitewash the regime. we see western diplomats playing with language to somehow justify the regime and this is something that people across the world have been watching in, in, in the global majority or the global south. the people see their own history. yeah . hang out of them because they who in their history books at school, they read about the history of their country and colonization. and now they're seeing what happened to their countries in the past happened to another people in front of the eyes. and the americans are never going to be able to say anything about russia or china, or north korea, or anyone in the future. neither of the europeans, because what they've done is so for ethics that everyone looks down at them. i know

students a couple of years ago who took part in the, the riots and you, ron, and in the riots were basically about the, the disbelief that was created among young people, especially post corona, that you're on is the problem of the west wants to be friends, they want to have normal relations and we're the ones who are, who have a a, you know, an obsession with conflict with the west, my own student, some of them who participated 3 or 4 of them at least has come up to me and express remorse, about, you know, they, they say we, we've our views of the west of change completely because of the day these young people. and this is true across the world. those young leads, the liberals who thought that the west was somehow they were the good guys and they believed in women's rights and human rights and children and animals rights and whatever rights. and now they see this happen. so people across the world in

people that i know people across, in this region, they've turned against the west, and young people in the west have turned against their regimes right now in australia. i was just told this morning that you can go to prison. they have a whole team that has a lot fly out of protest, whereas the is really regime can carry out genocide in gaza, finished business as usual. yeah, well it's, i mean it, if you criticize of zionism in the united states that's equated with anti semitism . any thinking person knows that's absurd, but you can, you can lose your, your livelihood, you can lose your place. the university. i mean, this is a i a, to tell a terry and bent me to send me one of the things that i, i've been observing. you know, there's been this perennial question of wag the dog. whose is it washington? is it tell a b and i, i think i've kind of squared the circle. i mean, the u. s. once had gemini, or it wants to deny the hit gemini,

of others is looking at russia. and it's looking at china, a great deal of american policy towards the rent is also directed in russia. it's about so burg, but it's very much there. but for the americans, for to maintain that had gemini or denying had germany to others. genocide is acceptable. that's, that's the bottom line. if that's what we have to do with through a sarah good like is real, then we find that acceptable, that is the message that is being sent to the world. the great tools, i mean was seen that united states has been part and parcel of the program. they have been partners in this, not one of the complicit and they are providing the funds, the military assistance, the protection plan covered and so on and so forth. so it hasn't been done, even behind closed doors, has been the non guys in the open. we also know that zionism is losing ground, losing ground all over the world, including in the united states. i think this is a clauses that is in that has didn't do it because of what happened in the past

year estimates. not only when it comes to the negative or the, even the propaganda war, that it's on to doing the losing badly because people now are looking at all kinds of sources to find what the truth is about the, the listing an issue, or even on the, on the legal side where they have to be in front of the word court and trying to defend a genocide. that is indefensible, but we also see it on the political side. i don't think design is it can survive this, whether it is a one state to state which i think to state is, is, is gone. there's no 2 state solution that drain has, has left the station long time ago. but if it is a state that is there anything that is defeated and eventually what's gonna happen is that the whole word will insist on the dismantlement of design is to touch us within, punish time because no one is going to vouch, you know, save the united states, at least they political in needs that to, to, to, to, to defend a genocidal government that this intent on. ethnically cleanse,

half of the people can that, that, that is and what will they cannot do this? and i think what's gonna happen is just in very few years, the whole world is going to insist on the dismantlement of this nice stuff to us. and when that happens, then you have to have it in a hole in your middle east, which is what i know thinks that it can shape to. it's liking what i think that's not going to happen. so the, and i'm on this, you know, professor miranda has already mentioned that the kinds of lisa rice famously said this has to be making a, the middle east. and this is, this is folly right now. the middle east is changing, but not changing in the direction that the united states and israel and it's other satellites, the u. k, the european union and etc. what it, what, what they're expecting. and that's why i think that is going to be a very, very long conflict. go ahead. well, you know, you've seen ivy league schools in america, harvard and columbia, and others demonstrating about assign,

holding individuals. some of them losing their and their education because of palestine is the whole new generation of young people who are standing up for about a sign and not because of how to sign. but because of justice because of humanity. i think we have a situation where young people will get their information from a different source to get the information that from the legacy media, which designs control but from social media from instagram from takes. busy and because they get the information from other sources, they really get to know that, well, i think what they stand for about a send, they're standing for their own humanity. and now this young, these young people of ivy league level, that would be the leaders of the us in the future and other parts of the world. so i do agree that the train is left and i think these rates uh realize that their images is being it'd being tarnished. and that was the their strength. that was the only thing that was keeping the world supporting is where it is because they felt

that this was the democracy in the middle east. this was a human rights country and they do respected as b, g, u, t, and so on. and also now they're part of not only the. busy allies, but they're complicit and more problems in genocide is committing their weapons are being used to kill children and that is. busy it's, it's driving me crazy because they realize now they're no longer allies with their of so member. yeah. also violators of the international that you manage or in law and there are criminals. now what i would like to talk about is the media because journalism is usually the, as i say, the truth is a 1st victim of war. but i think we've gone much farther than that because it. busy has the that is, remember this toward not a single 4. and the local power, assuming germs are being killed, interested. so these really just trying to control the,

the narrative they're trying to control of how the rest of the world sees, what's happening that they're lying. but what's happening, they're calling the resistors terrorist and they're saying, i mean, the other day i last because the president of his red tweak that this is a war crime because the attack is rarely soldiers as they were 18, excuse me. if they're 18, you know, you attack them. that's, that's the problem is your crime is when you attack the hospital or when you can certainly. so when you choose to, well, you know, say that's available for it, right? it's a very saying, it's a very good point that you bring on, but let me throw it back to mohammed here. i mean, the number of journalists inside of gaza and, and westbank and, and now being targeted in lebanon. i mean, this is another, a telling indication is that they don't want, i mean they, they really, i, you know, the idea of rebels and it's very perverse video is i don't want to go into details on this program here, but they don't want other people to talk about it,

they'd like to circulated among themselves in a very weird, a card way. but they don't want anyone on the outside to be able to report them what they see. go ahead mohammed. but they knew i therefore be good propaganda. they used to be the best. i don't know what happened. i don't either. no, i don't either. it is amazing. they're just terrible. it's. it's, i don't get it. i don't understand how it, how it works. i mean, one of these media on this, i think it was kind use, but i'm not a 100 percent. sure. the host was reading the names of the poor soldiers. that was words were just mentioned. they were eating and she was reading their names out, and then in more in the morning there at that. and then you have tens of thousands of thought. hundreds of thousands of people being slaughtered women and children just that just a day ago or so in both and living on and,

and in gaza. there is a 2 or 2 horrific massacres in by the back of, in and in gaza. but is anyone reading out the names of these women and children who have been slaughter know only the names of 4 soldiers who are about to are eating, who are about to go into southern lebanon to, to kill people into, into occupied the country. that is, how bad their propaganda has become, and it's become very, it's become very ever, it is become very obvious as well as i do, you know, we had, you know, 600 years of western colonialism, imperialism, and it was a wretch, it was a wretched history and it's recorded written, you know, and there's some images of it, but we have the same phenomenon on steroids, another western colonial settler experiment, and a non western part of the world. and it fits with. and now we can all see it's already been mentioned on this program. so many countries in the world have have their history of, of colonialism. and now we can see a, in a,

in real time exactly what that must have been for the entire global. so sorry for the speech gentlemen, that's all the time we have. i want to thank my guess and assemble them on and of course and to them. and of course, i want to thank our viewers for watching us here at ortiz the next time. remember the prospect, the, the r o c, r t, formerly known as russia today, trying to influence the presidential election in november to extraordinary new efforts to once again, infiltrate our election can undermine democracy. 2 will 5 to see, to direct this information in propaganda here, to sort of divide american

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