if you take into account military, financial, economic, humanitarian, hate, and 83 crane universities in proportion to gdp ball and has done more free crane than any other country we're trying to help. but we are also frontline country. russia is also threatening us and not everything is possible. this e report comes across as another tool to heard public opinion in the direction of war profiteers and the western war lobby using the same tune that we've heard about a 1000000 times before. if truth and readings in ukraine, this really is, that's his aggression, it will not. and there are support is not the charter to it is an investment in our security. so russia case, explicitly giving the side i to all of this rhetoric coming from western officials and rejecting their attempted conflictions with the conflict. and ukraine was to see next to the leadership of the united states and nato, saying that a for russia wins and ukraine. now the next ones are nato countries. why do we need

natal countries? we don't need them, we didn't need them, we don't need them, and we will not need them in the future. and why did they say that? to encourage them to pay money? that's what it's for, look, whatever happens at least europeans will have their battery powered radio that they've just been asked in this new report to go run out and buy. so at least they can keep listening to this for clowns. so the, the on the front lines with ukraine, russian forces are continuing to make creeping advances of the defense ministry says troops have taken control over 5 towns and they've been yes, republic. on the 4th, it shows a brad the multiple launch rockets system inaction. moscow says in the past week alone, kia has lost 4000 soldiers, and in the same time, more than 70 attached, the counsellor attached by you trade in forces had been repelled as well. i

mean, the fighting civilians are finding themselves in the firing lines. one group trying to evacuate from chess of yacht and they the negative public. it came under attack from ukrainian drones. one of the people in the group told us about their plight. i started to mutual, i mean, but we, consisting of 7 people, were forced to go towards the russian federation for evacuation. we reached the fork in the road to turn towards the bridge and canal and they started firing at us . all 7 of us ran into the pill boxes. there were 5 of us and the 1st round room, 2 of us ran into the next room. at 1st they fired mourners that asked them they started sending drones at us after being hit by the 2nd drone, one person was wounded in the back were radio that we had injured people and the russians dropped us of medicine and water. and the proteins contain to fired us and we had a neighbor in the 2nd shelter. she was wounded in the arm, and 2 of his fingers were torn off, then they threw in and see during 2 of them caught fire and extend burning. i

started to put my cell phone and my husband grabbed me and said, let's one. it was quiet at 1st, but we could hear the blows continuing, but we didn't climb out. we didn't move. we just said there, we were sitting there under the wall. well, i do not know how it happened. well, in short, something exploded and hit me in the face. oh, my husband was one of the left to then we ran, there was an electrical shop such a large room. said there we wait, a little dent. look out rested, and so then we went further from this room. there was such a small house there was said there for awhile. and then these drones started flying back on the 27th. that guy's to consolidate. the 2 cuts to the medical unit treated us and they told me i had to go to the hospital so they brought me to the hospital . so scary, so terrible about earlier. moscow said ukrainian on the 4th is attacked. people trying to lead trucks of yacht to across to the rocks inside i drove the footage shows several people walking along the road, holding a wide flag. but russian troops dropped food and water for those trying to flee,

but couldn't rescue them as a crate in the tax continued that these 5 people were killed with one of the group reporting about the debts via radio before contact was last. it may just reins difficulties on the front lines. canada has been hosting a conference and support. a lot of me is the last useful piece plan for the 2 and the war. numerous europe and officials where there. but so once the journalist dimitri last carries when he quit, publish depends on whether the lives of palestinians much as much as that much to them as ukrainians. he found the delegates wherever locked and to answer or a power steering lines worth as much as your opinion lives. you don't think so. excuse me gentlemen, or palestinian lives worth as much as you printing lives? no, you don't think so. i take that as a know or tell us the lives worth as much as your opinion lives. yes,

no one seems to want to answer my question. i thought it was a simple question. palestinian lives worth as much as your premium lives. are you printing lives worth more than tell us any lives? simple yes or no, we'll do. i'll take even a, maybe since the beginning of the war and ukraine more than 2 and a half years ago, the official civilian desk told stands at less than $12000.00 hava in just one year of the warren gazda. there's been a staggering 43000 been while ukraine is received a 188000000000 euro is in a while a guys a has got less than 1000000000 imagery loss. gary says the western powers don't care about the killings as long as it's in their interests. certainly there was a contingent there that was willing to say on camera that ukrainian lives there was more. there was a very large contingent. i post this question in all you showed

a little snippet of what i did to probably about 80 delegates only for for answered the question. yes. one of them was the palestinian who actually wasn't attending the conference. she was attending another conference happening next door . several said no straight up and the rest refused to answer my question, even though they knew they were being filled. partly it is the racism. partly it is the fact that the defense so called defense policy of western government isn't about the security piece. democracy, international law or any of that nonsense. it's about the so called rules based international order, which basically means that the united states makes the rules to the benefit of the us or lead. so there's a point weapons to ukraine because they want to do farm to russia. and it was always for see a vote. and now we're seeing the horrifying inevitability of this, that ukraine's military would be destroyed. the west had every reason to believe that what happened, but they armed none the less because their vote wasn't to save you opinions,

but to her russians. and secondly, there is the military industrial complex which profits enormously from these wars to and that's the update. now see again, what was the reset top of the by not the mr dimitri, and they told me, but it's for me to go to. it's a great pleasure to sit down with you and join us here, one of the international, the a former president of the russian federation, the former prime minister, and the current deputy chapman of security council of russia. thank you very much for joining us here on, on the international. nobody's if the idea and i'm trying to get my head around what we're seeing right now into believe see georgia forgive me for, for trying to be straight about this. if i made the ruling georgia dream party have

just won the recent parliamentary elections, the routing georgia dream party, the problem is the friendly with russia, and america is not happy about this. talk. tell me if i'm, if i'm getting on the right way here, washington doesn't agree with how the people have georgia voted. so now in g o, so potentially being used to fund to, to trying to essentially create some chaos until they get the election. the result they want a m, i run mostly reading this correctly so i don't know what was the well, in my do you, what happened in georgia with these elections was quite predictable. on the one hand, the georgia dream is very popular in the country, although the opposition is also very strong. the georgia dream is almost perceived as a pro russian party. but this is not true at all. it is a thoroughly pro george and party. in fact, when the election results came in, the prime minister explicitly said that they have no intention of restoring diplomatic relations that there is a huge problem in our relations and so on. and so for that statement reflects their

position. so the fact that they stayed in power only means that the georgia people are pragmatic. the georgia people do not want more. they do not want the events of 2008 to be repeated. and they do not want to develop normal economic relations with the russian federation, but that's why this is not some operation by the kremlin, but the choice of the georgia people that includes the i think, i think it's a very fair comment there. and so i some of the official comments online just from every day jose and drains, like you and myself, people are saying, you know what, the people to georgia they've versus it. apparently they probably could not for the use. they wrote it not for nato, but they voted in the software and matter that should be respected. now, some people are saying that the problem is, is a georgia, is a neighbor to russia. uncertain to western interests might want to use georgia, perhaps as another proxy to carry out further complications from nato, against its name. but let us not forget my dad in 2014 your, your thoughts a lot. she didn't upset look much the is absolutely clear the prob,

occasion like this is possible as follows from the entire course of events. i mean, what else is there to say when the sitting president, i'll be, it was very limited, powers is publicly calling the election pro russian and trying to rally people to the square to his own. my done, this is obviously a call, a publication aimed at sparking to cool, so anything could happen there. but on the other hand, russia is george's neighbor, and i'll say it outright all in off. if we are a friendly neighbor to georgia, are trade turnovers growing significantly in recent years, tourism is increasing and we have normal economic ties despite everything that happened back in 20 o 8. so this situation would, of course, have a serious impact on the interest of georgia and the georgia people. not to mention that attempts to drag georgia into a confrontation on the side of the west against ukraine's could and very badly. there's a reason that various means and comparisons had been spreading around georgia on

one side. you have a peaceful, georgia, and on the other, a belligerent ukraine. and i think this perspective holds people back. but it's also very likely that will be seen clashes skirmishes and attempts to pull off some kind of might on, especially with western emissaries coming in. i don't know, maybe new and won't show up, but someone else could. it's quite possible you. there a fee is about history repeating itself, and there are always concerns about external actors carrying out a sudden agendas. perhaps. my done 2014 to us a method to spending over $5000000000.00 to house that democrats get elected president victoria. so young a coverage, i mean you remember the, my don midwife, victoria newland, john mccain. they were out on the might on square. they were handing out freedom cookies. i don't even know what a freedom cookie is. wisdom is good, but they were handing these things out. there are concerns about a my down 2 point oh, occurring in tbilisi, but as far as you think,

it's on likely will it go to elections and release? it was the 1st of all, let's not forget that tbilisi already had the so called rose revolution, which brought that madman. mchale sac has to be lead to power. let me tell you the story. i was the head of the presidential administration at the time and went on to visit the united states back then. that kind of thing was still conceivable. anyway, at one point, my counterpart condo liza rice and i went to the oval office. actually, it wasn't quite like that george w bush came in to see us. we had a brief chat about the russian american relations. it must have been around 20 or 4, maybe late, 23 or early 20. well, for the conversation was friendly, everything was fine. we understood each other well. then out of nowhere, mister bush suddenly says to me, listen, but you know, myisha soft. gosh, really is a good guy. we weren't even discussing georgia at all. i was surprised and said, well, i don't know, we'll see. and as we say, george w bush, practically jinxed myisha success really turned out to be

a very difficult character. bringing countless troubles, not only to georgia, but oddly enough, even to ukraine. and to this day, he's still scheming, even from his current location. try to pull people onto the streets. so georgia knows what arose revolution is. georgia understands what my dawn was like, what it meant for ukraine and how it all ended. that's why georgia has become a much more pragmatic country, and we're glad to see it. but as you, as you say, it was submitted if you, you are the president at the time with 2008 when, when this across was happening. but between, between georgia and of cost is off of santia. the western press, the political establishment, they all called it a russian invasion. how would you call it? and then it's getting additional information. well, no, of course not. there wasn't any invasion in terms of current international law and a, you and charter. there was an exercise of the right to self defense under article $51.00

of the un charter. here's what happened to the, to break away republics were in constant tension with the regime in tbilisi, which at some point came to be led by success, really being a overconfident person and someone with certain mental issues. he decided at some point to restore territorial integrity condo. liza rice came to visit him. he probably had some consultations with us intelligent services and decided it was time to act. we understood this could happen with the but the way he did it. and especially during the olympics, that was quite a surprise. we had to act, but when i got the information from the defense minister, i said double check this after while he called again and said they were indeed trying to attack and had even struck r peacekeepers. i had to give orders to launch a missile counter strike against georgian forces. all this happened within just a few hours. after that they come down a bit, but not completely misled to the 5 day war. as a result,

georgia completely lost any relationship with southwest if you and of has yeah, that was the price of stock. i should be leased gamble, and we'll just ask for the assessments. they will always differ. the western world saw it as an invasion, but i can tell you frankly when i spoke with foreign leaders, europeans and even americans, which happened quite often at that time. they would whisper to me, look, we get it, he's crazy. he's unstable. he shouldn't have done this, but sorry, we can't see this publicly. even though the tug lavine commission report. i acknowledge george's vac himself a set to you and the killing of their own civilians. this document didn't get much publicity, but it exists and anyone interested can read it. it's an official document. so the truth always finds its way out. somebody saying how, how the western narrative likes to mold all the stories to its own benefit. and only years later can we really get the truth out, you know, so, so grateful that you spend some time with us to sit down and talk about this. we talked about these events back in 2008, and you'll see we are now almost in 2025,

georgia. the us is threatening georgia the full months. so if you had the country with severe consequences, if it doesn't, basically over toe and this cost between tens election then the us state department spokesman matthew, man, i say whatever you want about him. but he's basically threatened georgia to submit to the us all face consequences, quote, a quote you on here. mr. bennett says george, up must return to it. euro atlantic pause now. i mean, it seems to me that the people of georgia have said no to nato and the e u. o. mr. mit mit together. i'm like confused and also some, it goes up measuring the thing is i believe, attitudes towards the e. u and new to have changed in georgia, nato was a military block. the e u is quite far away, not to mention the united states, but russia is right next door. we're historical neighbors. we share the same faith and histories. we've helped georgians many times throughout our shared pass. yes,

there was this incident, but the responsibility lies specifically with president soft. gosh, really, no one else. and by the way, recently the georgia leadership has essentially acknowledged that it's time to reassess those events and recognize the role play by for an influence. richard. so i don't know, maybe some people in georgia want to be in the you, that's fine. somewhat natal membership, which was offered back in 20 o 8. but as they look around and observe what's happening in the ukraine, a significant portion of people understand the real price of such a membership issue. because russians position a new natal members appearing near as borders as well known. if western countries, especially the united states, had enough flexibility and wisdom to make a security agreement with russia, there would have been no special military operations. but they're in the habit of bullying. everyone into submission. they operate on a principle of american exceptionalism and the pregnancy of us interest. this is

a big mistake. you know what, but i'll say this. it will be there and doing some day. me, it was it, was it the, the legendary a diplomat of henry kissinger who said, years ago, said being an enemy of america or is dangerous, but being a friend can be faithful and you go to watch out, you know who you're outside support and say you know who all your friends and i just ironically matthew made of the us state department this the last thing i'll say about this guy, but he he was saying, we've seen votes the irregularities into police. see we want it all to be investigated. well, how about investigating the 2020 vote to irregularities in the united states? what maybe georgia should send some inspectors to go and inspect america's 2020 election. if we're talking about a regularity, say it's always this case of double standards. i think perhaps any comment on that missing a good now, the official for community or here's my take on what henry kissinger said. she was a wise man in that sense, a very significant figure, since he's certainly served his country, the united states. but he was also

a worthy opponent and a capable negotiator in all sorts of formats. he said some things that were absolutely right. like the ones you mentioned. however, shortly before he passed at a very advanced stage, he admitted sort of regrettably, but now the us has no choice but to accept to ukraine into nato. and i think that's where he got it wrong. that outcome isn't set in stone because when you're choosing between vague promises and the possibility of starting world war 3, the choice is pretty clear. as for what's going on during elections, there are always complaints from the losing side. different exit polls always show different results. we're all aware of this, the numbers exit polls show are typically influenced by which side or political force they represent. they may not differ drastically, but there's usually a small percentage difference that can be decisive now about what actually happened in georgia. in my view, it's truly outrageous with the president, for instance,

instead of saying i'm unhappy with the results, i feel they may not fully reflect the will of our people. so let's address these claims in court. this could have been the stance of a true state's person. but what did she do? she said, let's take to the streets. let's go to the my dun and demand the removal of the pro russian government. in my view, just by doing that, she committed the state crime for which she should be removed from office, arrested and put on trial. why? because she went against the constitutional foundations of her own country. i get the impression that in her mind, she's already somewhere off in france and georgia is a close chapter for her. maybe not even a bit exciting anymore, but that in itself is telly and just feel the difference between what's being said in georgia now and what was said in the us during the last contest between vitamin trump. it's interesting, the typical reaction we get from our professional partners in southern western countries when they like to talk about in other countries elections and they, what they're always saying, don't meddle, don't interfere,

but we know that they do the most meddling and the most interfering, basically by a non commit to any country, i think i saw a number recently united states in the past a few years has meddled in roughly 70 elections at some unbelievable number. but that is what we're seeing. bars. johnson, the former british prime minister, he's commented on tape, lucy, good old bars, johnson. he says the election has been stolen by putting this puppet government in each. see now, this is coming from bar. so white gold bars, the butcher johnson, you remember? clearly he discussed with the ukraine rush, a piece, told kentucky that man has a lot of blood on his hands. and of course, during color of it, he was having these late life policies on downing street. what do you think of boris johnson's political analysis of? what's happening in georgia? the ways johnson loves shift forest. johnson is definitely an intriguing character . i describe him as a dangerous, eccentric, and we'll just look at him and you'll learn a lot about who he is, what he poses a real danger. why?

because he acts against the interest of peace in euro. he pushes his anti russian and also anti ukranian agenda. at one point when he had influence over the ukrainian leadership, they could have engaged in peace talks and even reached agreements on the principles of conflict resolution. it's no secret that it was him who told them no, don't do that, will support you. everything will be fine. you need to show determination. and then she was out of the picture. so every time he makes comments, now, all i can muster is a bitter smile. this is a man who is already tainted. his legacy in this conflict and his views on the elections in georgia are just as clear. he doesn't support the current political force, they are. so he resorts to terms like stolen election and so forth. instead of acknowledging that these election results reflect the will of a significant portion, if not a majority of the george and population, that's it. the once again, i want to stress that we don't see the george and authorities or their party as

close allies. they have entirely different views. they don't even want to restore diplomatic relations with us. if they decide to in the future, we can do it then. but it's still possible to cooperate without formal diplomatic ties. as for johnson's role, it's clearly destructive. she seems to want more depths, can be just the 50. i just wanted to ask you a couple more questions about what we're seeing it to police of georgia today. just a couple of things here. we know that georgia, the georgia parliament passed as low a banning l g b, d q, and transgender propaganda from being forced on children. the government basically did this to protect children. washington is not happy about it for whatever reason . they, they think this is a, this is some sort of anti human rights agenda. but then again, the children problem and also passed as low binding for an agents with n g o is and you and we both know this very well. n g o is a use to for events on the rest in various countries worldwide like us a democracy house. so you know, all these really cheesy courtney names,

but um these n g o is now in georgia. they have to show who's paying them. if it's more than 20 percent, i'm brussels and washington said this is a violation of democracy. how did you do this? your comments on that? because it seems to me the doors in parliament and the forage as low is a good thing to achieving the premium if that works well. this is a clear example of what everyone calls double standards. the united states has a foreign agents law that's considered a good rush. it has one that's considered bad. europe is planning to adopt specialized rules for, for an agency that's good in georgia, adopted fort agents law. that's bad because they supposedly copied it from the russians. meanwhile, if anyone's interested are russian for an ages law is actually much more liberal than the american law from 1937 or $38.00. i don't remember the exact year in the us, they immediately throw any for an asian in jail. so these are just double standards as for other freedoms that are supposedly being suppressed in georgia. you know,

that's the country's own choice. it's the choice of their parliamentarians if they consider certain values being pushed on them as alien to the georgian people or orthodox christians, then they have the right to act accordingly. they're not obliged to follow any model being imposed on them from anywhere else. you know, this reminds me of the debate about which democracy is more perfect. let me tell you the story. it's somewhat related to current events. when i was visiting the americans when we were having dinner with that same ms. rice at the watergate hotel, which is quite an interesting place in itself. she started saying, look, your media isn't completely free. there state influence. and started telling me this whole story. i said listen, your presidents get elected with a minority of votes and you have disappeared. voting system that was invented back when people were still riding horses. her response was, well, yeah, but that was a long time ago and it works for us. that's it. everything they have works for them . but everything we have should work the way that suits them should suit the united

states. in other words, they have the right to do everything. well, we should do things exactly as they suggest. by the way, this model was offered to us to like, if you weren't good relations with us, do is we tell you, when we decided that enough was enough that this wasn't in russia's interest. we started having conflicts with the americans. and by the way, one of these 1st, really tens of periods was in 20 o 8 being able to with the choice learning the l. look forward to talking to you all. that technology should work for people. a robot must obey the orders given by human beings accept. we're such orders at conflict with the 1st law show you our inventor certification. we should be very careful about personal intelligence at the point, obviously is to makes a trust rather than to the job with

artificial intelligence. we have summoning the theme and the most protect this phone existence was on the lease to come to the russian states. never as one of the most sense community best of all sense and up the in the system must be the one else holes. question about this, even though we will then in the european union, the kremlin mission, the state on the russians to day and split the ortiz full neck,

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