pretty much in equal measure and isn't that interesting? it's so good to speak to is the as you are back in the mix of it, richard right there. and the big apple. so good to catch you on the program. richard wolf is a ameritas professor of economics at the university of massachusetts, a great privilege having you want to. thank you very much. i my pleasure. thank you . thank you. thank you for joining us here for this program and live from moscow. i'm real research something aside, my colleagues come on me at the desk, went to the top of the the hello and welcome to cross stock. were all things are considered on peter level?

trump is back in, in a big way again defying the media. the pundents and the polls. trump attracted a wide coalition of voters. it would seem american liberalism is in crisis. what we'll try to do with is unprecedented. second chance, the cross talking trump on joined by my guess, kyle ends on in norton. he is opinion the editor at anti war dot com as well as co host of conflicts of interest in tempo. we have us on sibley. he is a lead attorney and founder of muslim legal and in dallas re crossed to david while, although he is a fuel political analyst, author, and veteran. hi tony, in cross lock rules and effect. that means you can jump any time you want. and i always appreciate kyle, i, you know, i think there's a lot of conclusions that you can draw from this election outcome. certainly these emotions are abound everywhere. so clearly, donald trump humiliated all of his opponents and his detractors and his adversaries

. but it's not that simple moving forward and all of us here are looking for them policy more than most people do. so what are your initial reactions? trump is back. well, you know, my 1st reaction is just that this election probably didn't have very much to do it for him. policy may be on the margins and particularly in this state like michigan . the warren guys that may have had some effect on the election. but generally speaking, and i think the biggest impact on the election was the economy. every time i go to the grocery store, it's at least $50.00. and that's if it's a small shopping trip. if we're doing a weekly trip for the house, it's a $150.00 and now that we have a newborn $200.00, most of the time it's, it's devastating every single time you go to the grocery store. and just, you know, i live in a rural area in a blue state in the, the support for a trump as possible around here. there is far more people with the trump signs and,

and very loud and proud about their trump support. and so i think it have far more to do with cultural issues, immigration, economy, them, foreign policy, but certainly the foreign policy in the worst, they need help finding at all and it allowed trump to run as the piece candidate somehow assigned. it was different for you and your community, and i am very proud of your community for saying, well, you know, i want something for my boat and i'm willing to withhold my boat or a boat. now for the other guy, if we don't get what we want, i think that's how politics should run. i think too many americans have just been accepted that they're in one try board the other and they have to go along. there are certain red lines like genocide, but you do not cross. okay. unfortunately, and i'm agreeing with kyle here. and you know somebody uh like kyle is on the beach day in and day out at anti war dot com. that's where he is. but most of his material that i read come up and he's absolutely right. it was on the margins, but margins count it tightly contested election. go ahead and tampa. yeah,

absolutely. i mean, it is clear that trump one regardless of the foreign policy issue, but he almost certainly lost the support of the american muslim community because she is a genocide enabler. she's part of this administration that has the blood of thousands and thousands of innocent children on their hands. now look as an american, i wish it was the genocide issue that determines this election. certainly it saddens me that that wasn't the primary issue, but it was an important issue. i mean, certainly trump on michigan, several states where there's a sizable, some populations lift and i think the lesson committee played an important role of that. i don't think we take the whole credit, but i do think we sent the democrats up our whole message. the majority of muslims, american muslims voted in favor of binding. the last selection that completely switch. they either went 3rd party, a lot of us want 3rd party send a message. somebody been voted for trump because our rationale is, it would be a great shame on this nation to allow in administration that was empower,

drew genocide, to be re elected. what kind of message and trusted in that sense? well i, i sounds, i repeatedly on this program, i said it was a black pill election. i didn't support either candidate for the very reasons that you just mentioned here. david, you know, it's very popular view the, the say that particularly in american politics is voting for the lesser evil, but i think that was the case. a lot of people voted for the lesser evil. this i've said actually has residents. david, go ahead. well, i agree with both good guess with that with dial out of us on, on the spot on as an american you look at everything a whole you're going to vote for the lesser of the, of the 2 evils. yes, of course the issue of immigration, but also there is another issue to of the anger that americans felt towards the uh, the uh, democrats for that matter. so. so the whole idea of voting for a drum, it was a reflection of the anger of the population here, given that the bottom says, we have an inbox on, especially by the,

a subordinate royal and it's genocide that guess the bostonians defenseless policy . and is that a so, so that's one of the issues. the 2nd one has to do with where things are headed. economically speaking, indiana insects, and at some, once you look at the $3520.00 plus in international debt in america's lifetime, motions on his spot on. i go out to the broaches, i see what the prices are. the government is lying about the installation. date is no easy enough of it and the life of the average american is getting worse. why don't supposed to be a while at the same time, send in our tax dollars to your brain and as well, we haven't been able to quite but david didn't. you want to see the 1st woman of color presidents? i mean, wasn't that an important issue for you? you know, i, the course the, i don't care either. i know, but i can about an average citizen who is wondering, standing in the who's over the kitchen 130. so i'm on medication or do i buy dinner?

i can devote no pets. origination, we can be in the possession, little waste in our tax dollars on your brain. what for? what are we getting the new pre award that we created? you know, most americans have the bikes to know with their thoughts dollars are spent on that . so me what a right citizen does in when he or she shall or just the government by hold that accountable cold or we're going to see now what mr. trump is going to do, even though i the vote for, for him i didn't go for either. i don't believe in both parties anymore. but we shall see mainly in the phone part of i'll see what of who's going to be with you know, a kyle. and because i think and i'm hoping here is that this kind of post modernism i did to terry and nonsense. it's good to go to the wayside for the very reasons that all 3 of you, hardy, is that in this program. i mean, you can have your walk ideas, but it doesn't fill your belly, does it?

yeah. they, it automatically comes down to the economic issues and people are going to like use that boat with their summits. and that i think that was probably the real deciding factor in this election. although as other guess the side of the, the worst 2 is important and could have mattered in a much tighter legend at the polls word, correct. uh, that that boat may have mattered. i, i think the polls were off again. and that's why trump one by such a large margin, but yeah, you know, and i also comes america. first messaging is very important and, and it's something that we actually as american muslims, we celebrate america should be 1st for americans in our tax dollars. you stay at home and the problem you have right now is america's economy was heading in the wrong direction. meanwhile, we're sending billions and billions of dollars that translated trillions of dollars and losses when the account for interest and inflation from for israel, for ukraine. it just doesn't make sense. we're causing conflict abroad, and we'll depriving people of resources and tax dollars at home. so to disasters, recipe, anything. that's why it comes. america 1st resonates but let's would be actually

sticks with it. and it's actually loyal to it keeps our tax dollars, they don't fix our problems at home and stays out of problems overseas. well, david, i guess, you know, that's where we are right now. i mean, i'm very supportive of an american adverse agenda because it will stop interventions and it will actually give the, the american people the peace dividend that they've been denied since the cold war . david, i'm gonna, i'm gonna present something to all 3 of you and it might being very naive, but sometimes nobody gives you hope. is it? as hassan said, you know, the muslim eric community in the united states, particularly in certain districts, they played a key role. will the trump administration take that on board and say these people, you know, they made a difference. i made a difference, but this campaign bind on not supporting the opposition. will that be taken into consideration in all? david, why did is one aspect that i can think of, which will become

a to my almost of personal of sore is that trump daughter for. she's married to live and he's the american billionaire. now here's what's most americans doing of the is got the microphone. his dad is getting on the, he's the one who also supports donald from behind the scenes. which means what that means is that drum would have to hold his promise because he's expecting the grandson of have liberal needs. so given the relationship that exist between not sending a whole and strong, most likely you might see an answer to the slaughter that's taking place in god. because it wouldn't be a political victory. the same arguments can be made about the view brand complex. because all ready, so i made it clear that we're gonna have to stop funding this money to this corrupted the, the last 10 to one second. what are we therefore, why are we creating why, why did we created the problem to begin with and drag our nation find actually log

in with your into all the so. so i think i'm, i'll be watching at least the 1st the 100 days as to what mr. trump is going to do, rather than from that is going to use officially presenter. what is going to be the winner regarding these 2 issues? so you can conflict and the gaza, a war. but yeah, kyle, we, we all know the, the narcissism and the ego of donald trump. he has an opening here. he could really surprise people. he has the mandate and he will be a lame duck. he's not going to have to worry about billionaire donors. he and far as i can tell, he doesn't have any particularly strong interest in any issue for an issue. he wants the nobel peace prize kyle a. well yeah, i agree with you what, that's what trump ones i think the problem and what we saw with trump in his 1st term is person now really does equal policy. and so yeah,

trump to one to get out of syria. he could want to do a deal with kim john. good. i mean there was, is noble peace prize right there. the best opportunity that you could imagine a real piece, nick and soul, who really wanted to make a deal with his neighbor to the north. and trump squandered the moment by allowing john bolton to show up to the noise summit and demand olivia model for north korea . i mean, that was just completely absurd or his desire to get out of syria and madness. resigned in his staff lied to him about how many troops we had there to keep the us in syria. and so if he puts might, pompei o tom cotton, marco rubio in his administration. then i don't have very much hoping i think we essentially end up with the policies of his top donors, like mary i made, they'll say, and who wants them to, and that's the west bank at the same time. this is donald trump, who will take a $100000000.00 from you and step you. and so i don't think we necessarily need to be black pilled on the issue. i think there's a whole that's not the right people in place. it could be okay. hold that thought i

have that we have to go to a hard break and after that hard break, we'll continue our discussion on trump's return to the white house today with our to the take a fresh look around his life. kaleidoscopic isn't just a shifted reality distortion. by power, tired, vision with no real opinions. fixtures designed to simplify will confuse really one say better wills, and is it just because it shows you fractured images, presented to this, but can you see through their illusions, going underground? can our family is one of many families across squan because i'm festal labs were taken from them after world war 2, around 2 thirds of the island was actually sees by the us after the war. we are

domestically a part of the united states, right. we, we, we operate within the system of government, but we are not privy to negotiations with other government entities. the united states as never really acknowledge the fact that we are a colonial people. the national security has never been about us. and especially security is about securing american infrared and this was about security, we would be so if i were actually targets the welcome back across stock, were all things are considered on peter level to remind you we're discussing trumps . we turn to the white house, the

okay. let's go back to the site in tampa. and when a major political party suffers this kind of defeat, i mean, and again, i'm not here is a trump booster, i'm far from it. okay. but he had all of the media in the establishment most of his own party against him. i mean, it was, you know, all hands on deck and he came up on uh, on top. um, and we know the policies that people rejected again were all in agreement here. unfortunately in this uh cycle the foreign policy didn't play enough of a role. but what kind of post mortem would they have to go through? because you know, hours after the election result, i just see them playing the blame game. they blame uh, error of americans, muslim americans, blacks, latino, they blame everybody except for themselves and they did this to themselves. okay. what kind of post mortem do you think that they would even consider go ahead and tampa? i mean the only hope they have is they, if they really interest spect and determine whether they want to reflect the will of their constituents. the problem with the democrats in particular and the

republicans to a great extent, but especially the democrats, they really don't reflect even their own base. i mean, the 80 percent of americans, more democrats, or against what israel is doing and got the 80 percent. the vast majority of democrats are horrified by what she was doing, but only 8 percent of democrats in congress are against what israel is doing. the democratic institution doesn't actually care about the people, they care about a small elite, but they're dillinger's, they're in an ivory tower. they want to set all standards of what morality is, which is extremely completely contradictory to what the american people feel and believe they, they, they made the whole campaign really about loose women's rights to, to kill their unborn child. what, why we have thousands of pallets even babies killed over the last year and they've done nothing about it. it's a lot of hypocrisy. their only focus is to wake up and recognize the american muslim community. vote won't be taken for granted. minority votes won't be taken for granted. we will not just give them a free pass and we will hold them accountable and we're willing to withdraw our votes, no matter who the opponents are. if those wanting for office don't reflect our

beliefs and our values, values of human rights and basic decency, we're just saying return to grassroots democracy or what, what an amazing idea. i hope dates and take that on board. you know, david, you know, we have people in terms of orbit talking about dismantling to be um, um the, the, the states they, they, they large as, why don't they just maybe vice like put controls on for and donors. okay. outside influence, is it me, israel saudi arabia, i could go on and on. i mean, you can't walk through the capital and not a c lobby as representing foreign governments. that would be a good start to. don't you think, david, that is great if anybody wants to learn more about this as the one who walks in washington. you need to go to the the 38th street, and you would find out where how money is bundled through. i mean, our system, let me just say this as an american things me say buying don't shy away from the truth in our system is corrupted to it. school and for those analysts now in

washington, the saying, oh, mr. drums gonna not to be constrained by both the military and security a they are delusional. if you don't understand how the system works and the hidden hand behind it that manages the trajectory of the government policies be, they overseas ordered us to complain. then you don't know much about what's going on inside the united states. most americans, average americans worried about what's for dinner. he or she is not going to be thinking about this phone policy issues. and this is where you're going to see your ready. you already see, and when it comes down to the bottle here, please, an area that i am very familiar with. it's going to be, you know, the question of what can you do regarding the treasures that, that already exist on the global states. you look at the 3 major issues that he's gonna, he has to confront immediately the rank because of the trade with china. and for

the idea of that one of the donald trump to one of is going to be different. yeah, they want to be different in a sense of him trying to accomplish what he can accomplish and furniture, but yeah. limits inside the washington beltway as to what a president can do. president has no power. let me just say this way before. they are the entities behind the scenes that manages the direction of what us for bottles the ought to be. and that's what we're going to be at least what i'm going to be looking for to. so i mean i, i agree with you. i mean, kyle, when when a trump gave his victory speech, jared questionnaire was on the stage and i'm to, i'm just asking myself, i mean, well, what's going to change? because, you know, so again, not speaking as a trump booster, but i mean, i liked a lot of his ideas and his 1st administration, but they never were enacted. okay. and you know personnel is policy. you've already said that on this program. so what are you looking for? i mean, if, if a marco rubio is being considered for secretary of state,

then you know it's us throw in the towel on the 1st day. i a big well i, i agree with you of marco rubio, get secretary of state. we are in real trouble here looking for the good news. of course, jared cosigner was on the stage. he is a member of the drums family. a man who also was on stage was j. d. vans who said in the days before the election, that sometimes american is rarely interest, are not aligned in america, doesn't have an interest in going to war with a ron. and so with, you know, some thinking like that in the administration. well, maybe things could go in the right direction out and necessarily think that tulsa gabbert is going to be the secretary of state or secretary defense. and it's not that she is an anti war person or a piece, nick, or anything like that. but her initial is, the instinct isn't to go to war and having more people around the president. my dad's important apparently time is, massey is being considered for secretary of agriculture, which really doesn't have anything to do with foreign policy. but that would mean he has the year of trump,

and i mean this is somebody who's definitely against funding is really giving them millions of that billions of dollars in arms every year. so if we want, but for some bright spots, i think we can find them. and you know, one of the positive things with trump is unlike with kamala, where essentially you're just going to get another cabinet full of blink games in austin's, in the national security advisor. light jape, sullivan, maybe even the lives cheney. which of you could end up with pompei when rubio, but you could get some real wild cards in there too. it's important to remember that douglas mcgregor was in his administration near the end of his term, and that's part of what facilitated the eventful exit from afghanistan. it was too late, it was clunky, but at least that deal got done. and that, that's important. well, i'm supporting max blumenthal for a secretary of state, but i'm, you know, that's, that's, that's hopeful thinking. i hope you see there's max. okay. assign the, again, going back to person. now, what we saw, what in the 1st administration is a trump wanted to get out of syria and they blocked him. okay. so i,

i worry that's going to happen again. i mean, if, if he really is going to be at his word, he's gonna have to go in and fire a lot of people them to, you know, spin out that top layer. if he's gonna want to get done what he wants, i think he does are, you know, for better or worse about donald trump, he is. this is his last term. he wants legacy. he's gonna have to really shake up the works if he wants the legacy that he wants. go ahead. well and we all know he enjoys senior fired and, and fire people. so hopefully he fires the right people that needs to be fired and, and he avoids making them the same mistakes of his previous presidents, immune in his previous presidency. pointed people like steve bad and ramp that the small muscles that have made a career of morning purity, little some community, and then have cost unnecessary damage and, and honestly, that may have called a had tremendous negative impact on the solution for the most of the community. now the muslim community sort of turned around and said, listen,

trump's rhetoric can be crazy. sometimes people hear points can be crazy. but really we had relatively little conflict during this time and office in terms of wars and violence that would cause them a lot better. and so they came back around and they embrace them, you found most of them supporting his candidacy. i myself and many of my colleagues we went 3rd party this time, but psalms went out and, and stood by him in this election. and he think that me, so he went from saying islam and muslims hate us to actually welcoming some boulders and with some support. and i hope he that are engages and also understands that the american muslim community is a powerful swing vote. and it may be important to have their support to continue republican leadership and frankly, a lot of muslims are much more aligned with republican principles and family values than they are with the democrats. so maybe we see a shift of muslims going from a democrat over the last decade to now maybe be more or less of the republican party if the republican party can be a part of your piece. not more well. but that is, that said you really hit the nail on the head here. david during on terms of uh,

victory speeds. he's, he pro, a good piece is very, very dramatic about. and he is a man. he said he wants to be a man of peace. he doesn't want to start new wars even start any in, during this 1st administration. that's kind of a glimmer of hope there, but he's going to really have to act upon it quickly. and we've already been mentioned here, ukraine of the, the tent aside and gaza. the in the assault on unlimited on, and of course, you've already mentioned the trade issue with china. he's going to have to start moving and start moving past the people going to believe him. or we're just going to have a continuation of the biden administration. and that's what i worry about. go ahead, david. what, what would that sort be there? that's all depends on who he's been us around to use. so, with, you know, again, the, i'm already start to think in terms of what he learned. mazda, for example, where he play a role into the, from the administration. that's the only question that i've been thinking about, because somebody that's gonna break the end of the business mindset. but will it

work? we don't know. i don't know. it would be interesting to see who he's going to surround himself with, like what kind of mentioned, and then as i mentioned as well as to who's gonna hold it and keep possessions like secretaries. they like secretary of defense and so, and those will be key positions that's with a police, have the president's here to at least guide him into the right direction. but if you bring in the light, so let's say mark or of your or bumpy, why there's no, no, no, no i, it's not been at both. well, at least for me knowing what i know as far as how thank supports team size. washington behind those doors. um it's, it's renee gpc, even though i just uh, i hope for the 2 wars to stop the ukraine and the gaza, up to please. and that's what in the again, we can be, we can be very cynical and the wars from you can get the credit for it and towards you get the credit. i hope that is appealing to him. kyle:

oh it between now and january 20th. it's a long time um, what's gonna happen with us and around one minute go ahead. a. yeah, well, i think this is a really bad news here is that net and yahoo probably seems i taking clock. he's apparently been told by a trump that he would like the guys a war wrapped up by the time he tates office. and so that, that could mean that and then yahoo, joseph said celebrate or pedal on the agenda side and ethnic cleansing there. and it also means that he, you know, netanyahu may see trump, that is somebody who wants to necessarily start a war with a ron. but if he comes into office a or a war with iran is ongoing on, goes going to want to be the president that finishes the war with iran, which means, you know, just heavy carpet bombing up a rainy and cities and things like that. and really escalating the conflict. and so i think there's a real threat that by the time trump tates office, there's a screaming real hot war in the middle east in rather than trump taking the peace

road, deescalate, you know, forcing an yahoo to the escalating guys of which can really turn down the burner on tensions across the region. trump is going to embrace the warfare and just, you know, full on engaging. oh wow. i like obama left a mess for trump. i think biden is going to leave a message for a, for a trump. okay, very interesting. how easy was it just, you know, it's very interesting a bite and is book and did hear back from, i'm sorry generally, but i'll, i'll out of time on a thank my gets in north, in tampa and in dallas. and of course, i want to thank our viewers are watching us here at our d. c. next time. remember prospect the the,

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