to suit 2 suitcases to restart the toys and eventually deal with fussing to smoke requirement conversions to a single frequent currency. so with more and more african countries joining the multi polar fray and deepening their international relations with russia, it's looking more and more like the west is eventually going to have to get with the new world order program or get out of the way. but all of the, so i live the calling for as well. yeah. and it's also see who the political and by this, the president of molly, he said, terrorism in africa is being financed by external access. the 3rd is lovesick article. terrorism is 99 percent artificial because there are no terrorists without masters. terrorism is a mercenary force under contract to the person who's able to pay. actually this is what happened in money. it was motive to buy the resources that are in this region . imagine $57.00, it was already known that we wanted our independence. all the problems we have are

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hello and welcome to world a pipe. alexis, the talk, quote, french politician and diplomatic, best known for his war of democracy in america, 13 centuries ago about how a dynamic ourselves power and democratic system can decay and become the total opposite of its founding values with miles despotism and the appearance of choice replacing individual fraud and authentic libertines still here sat. the greatness of america lies in not being more enlightened than any other nation, but in her ability to repair her faults that they still hold true. today to discuss that now doing by richard sacrament, professor emeritus of the russian and european politics and the university of count . the 1st one is great to see here again, thank you very much for your time. my pleasure. thank you. now, um, 1st i want to ask you, what was your initial reaction when you woke up on november 6th. i learned that america has an old new president who has mixed feelings,

but they meet with one was about opinion polls because just 2 days ago before the election, that'd been in the opinion polls in iowa. we showed cumberland hires, putting ahead by few percent. so i was speaking to the media and others and suggesting well as too close to cool. and of course, we now know that by an over what well as well me 5000000 and votes and the popular ballot and in the electoral college to him because one overwhelmingly, which means his election is legitimate, cannot be contested. i know that talk of civil war and discord, of course it would be, it would be easy, but nevertheless he's quite clearly the witness. so that was the 1st and the 2nd feelings that it's over and done. 3rd one is that to him is a mix to a new phenomenon in 2016 when he was 1st elected. if you remember, he was as his election to the whole campaign was bound up with her yesterday to allegations the charge, the accusation of so exact gosh, identified that to they don't know totally on the media but still in the stuff from

the democratic national committee and so on there were also sanctions introduced against various russian individuals because of that which you haven't been pulled back. it was restored of with the slide to where we are today. when obama it spelled 35, gushing diplomats in december 2016. and indeed, the whole attack on michael flint, who was to him 1st national security advisor, which, which in a sense, hobbled a hole 1st to him, put them in discussion because he'd said, look, it makes cents to get on with. gotcha. and it does so is mayflower speech? uh uh yeah, that, yeah. so uh, so finally, just to save that uh, this time to him to will be different from to him when he's learned a few lessons. how different we don't know he's come to say, went up to say who is up, who is point minutes a going to be well before discussing that, i want to ask uh, another personal question. i wonder if you felt vindicated by the choice of the

american people because what it endorses in part is um, the ability to go against this censuring politically correct. the consensus which you also didn't over the last couple of years when you continue engaging with russian. it's political science circles despite all the pressure at home. yes, no, you're absolutely right to that, to in the sense that to 1st the fact that the 1000000 people stood up as it was against the mainstream media against all of that. vast cope again to what people say the military, industrial media think tank complex and they spoke and they say we're also some innovation. i think i'm doing the, let me try and law enforcement then by police play and have a good very still despite you know, maybe to him is a flawed vessel full for protests. yet he was the only one on offer. and there's joe stein is a 3rd candidate, but cumberland huggers, of course, i'm going to give her credit. she had $107.00 days in which to make

a campaign. but she, in those 107 days to cut the gift card due for i'd call you urgent commitment. but of course she made one mistake off to another and so to team. so in the fact that to, you know, people didn't want to vote about identity politics. they didn't want to vote negatively. and her campaign was all the time that bad to him could be they wanted something more positive and to a higher doc screen of offered something different. well, um, i think we can argue whether um, you know, positive is the right term. i, for a couple of russian experts say that's companies, as shallow and primitive as his opponents are complicated, 1 may say, confused on that there is a large constituency in america that is for cheap and perhaps even afraid of this new notion of progress, especially when it moves into the reality of gender roles and family structure because those people may be afraid off. um you know,

the whole notion of humanity being sort of uh, questioned or change. uh, do you agree with that that the there was an existential set of flat. no different selections as well. there certainly is. this was us every said the one of the most consequential elections in the united states for, for decades. and it was, i know i quite understand the concerns. for example, women's, we got to go back to rights. and so on, of the question of abortion jump, of course towards the end tates, shifted it and said it's up to the states and the number of states by the way, in the selection as well. post measures which are protected. so in the sense that it seems to be sensible to leave it to the states. of course, when can complain about the bi, didn't i know you about the administration's for not having put into little what was it versus wait? a supreme court judgment. quotes should not make the little they have, they had to interpret and to apply the law, it's up to the pol them into a culture that's not only about abortion, it's about all those experimentation with the genders and show you as they're in

transgender ism and family structures as well. and i think there has been some reckoning in the new york times in this cnn. i have seen some logical suggesting that you know, those people and those motors who have these objectionable views, they have to be taken seriously. how do you think the liberal circles, the liberal camp is likely to react to all of that evict terms victory as a major defeat for that american style of identity politics? i mean, with the rights themselves. so one things the way that the coming the ideology in united states is enough that until 10 isn't quite openly and complete the objects it. so of course it's huge upset in those who pushed as well as a secretary and issues west whom elevated or shifted the terms of the debate to fundamental questions of working still working standards. and so when concepts of fit into the working class. but he did you guys questions about the

industrialization, about be america's economy, and i'm doing the guest. so fundamental questions of getting back to your office and you know, who you, who you, on what you should be also uh, i think i would argue with you, you're here because i agree that there is something provided concerns there as well . but i think one of the essential lines of division in the selections was the question of freedom and of what freedom really ease, whether it is all sorts of public and sometimes questionable experimentation with the human form or whether it's an ability to express your dislike or disapprove of that. i wonder if you agree with that. the americans were also choosing between various versions or various, this ignition. so what freedom really means? absolutely. it was about terms of the debate and how you should debate these issues . because what, unfortunately, the democratic establishment and some of it was closing down debate. it was, it wasn't, i'm, we're having an open discussion. it was condemning the individuals and using all

sorts of censorship. we've seen it the twitter files and own international issues as well. so the, the, the sphere discussion and debating dialogue had narrowed. now as i did to him was a, stood up for precisely unorthodox opinions and for an outs agent. he's obviously a fully an insider yet to present himself as an outside. but by doing so, he opens up exactly as you say, the public's fed to a wide range of opinions. i don't know about you, but for me personally, i think my new the system doesn't always handle well and watching the american contain doesn't matter whether it's a republican or democrat because the very high p h. i mean, like the intensity of emotions, not just the motions themselves, they're sometimes too much, but the intensity, everything is the highest possible volume. i wonder if it's really possible to, to govern people after you set out a subject him down to that kind of discourse. i mean,

how can you just course and it didn't discuss anything of such a high volume? absolutely. as i said, the united states has become polarized and that there's being, this was called salting. he says, become poor, is that i wonder if they're deliberately driving the people in to him outside courses because i mean, when you look or even a trump's riley's, or how you can load harris's of riley's people, do not have a calm faces. i mean, they're all on edge. yeah. no, you have to the guy, the american style of politics is a bit rough and it's a bit emotional for us and this, yes, i know, and the fact that it goes on for so long as well. meetings that a sort of a keep raising the patient to get attention from the bonus to it looks like chronic be to see all like post traumatic stress disorder. people are always into fight or flight mode. yeah. do they ever get to the point where they can come down and use that? yeah, so it's sort of friend, krump could be very slow to this. this little vision which i have now been pushing forwards, putting forwards as an idea. it is that the united states and the west as it, as,

as a model of life has presented itself as hyper normal. it's so hyper, normally anything that challenges that countries outside and of course and voice system within all considered not only abnormal but evil and to be condemned, didn't you have. so the guy and so the pitch goes higher and higher, but we'd like to say that of this clear, open victory of to him. now, actually, i think going to put the temperature down. i know there's a lot of talk of the existence emerging and so on. but yet they kind of going to do anything because quite clearly the people have spoken and do that extra as you say, as, as alex is the top sales side is that the americans, the system itself, has this ability to your generate itself. i'm very glad about that. what i mean as we've been talking the last it is about our meeting and so on. and i've been doing all the time that what we're talking about is a post american world. nothing. and to me, you can, well, what we want to do now is to normalize them or you can pull it yourself from the

1st presidency, was characterized by a lot of internal sabotage in part, due to him not being fully supported by the establishment of the republican party, but this time decision is different, different, the republicans have both the control of the, the executive and the largest. they can branches. do you think the provides an opportunity to, for the republican party to do something more substantial? and here to do the type of transformation of u. s. foreign and domestic policy. they up to very interested in this is, this is the 65000 lubo question is the, to who he's going to a point to his cabinet. and so at the moment, there's a numerous might of space speculation about who's going to be that, who's going to be influential? we know one thing so far is that j d events, his vice president is a very important figure. i mean, i'll even put my money on him possibly being a successor. yeah. the only one. no. indeed. indeed, i'm not. okay. so moving, get much if i put a batch of it now, but the district events,

but also donald trump junior, who was the one who actually insisted to his father that that point j. d events as opposed to the other ones. plenty of other candidates. rubio and others to be the vice president. so, and that is an ideological, there is a manifesto. we will be different this time and we will change america. and they, he also has the endorsement of a couple of very prominent personalities, including even mosque i, person who built the, a lot of pretty extraordinary businesses. and as i was going through this interview, i a read about the rumors that she may be appointed as they handled the commission in charge of reforming the u. s. government. uh, would you invest your trust in uh it will not masks ability to do that. i havent numerous to us is the ability to do things with your phone, the us government in a positive sense because musk and other major influential fe got in this to him.

consternation is peter t o t h. i will be found out by now, and these guys are cheap taylor mo, visa, absolutely. libertarians, that means anti government and to state, let the market do it and how they're going to make this work for normal working across americans. i don't know, but they put their reputation on the line in order to associated themselves with, as you saw the constellation of, of trump. so it looks like they're doing that, not out of their own personal or corporate interest, but because they want to advance the i hold the interest of bad people. i swear i know that that has to and him disagree. this selection has shown it even more into a plutocracy. it really is the sort of the only galks. i mean, the fact that it's um that we could give a whole list of very welcome americans who've shape this selection. but i want to say that americans was simply bored research like i'm not going to big, quite simple, but certainly that very powerful force. and so you're absolutely right. that was, and in this 1st to him, what did we, does he do?

tax cuts for the rich. and what did he do for the normal work and people and it's very hard. we forget the big, numerous extent of poverty and the difficulties for normal. but mean what would that to make it a fast middle class to live today to make ends meet with huge mortgages for externally high gains prices going up as a new or temporary system? i mean, i think it's a good place. let me just look at the infrastructure. absolutely. so it's, it's a, it's a, they need all of this. but as i said, it goes up in most of these quotes of phenomena. and good thing is, you know, i would go up or what a, still a god give you might have become something that goes. but he has a numerous ability and so to speak, to these people have achieved something, not defending them as oligarchs. i'm defending them as onto a nurse with a lot of interesting ideas. and it would be fascinating quote, because america is entering into a major experiment absolute and all of us uh, you know, still camp on popcorn towards it. absolutely. now uh the coca cola was telling me

that because it looks cool is uh and then the rest of the so is, is there enough access to it? but uh, for the time being, we have to take a very short break, but we will be back in just a few moments. stay tuned. the the welcome back towards the portsmouth richard sack come up professor emeritus of russian and european politics of the university of kent. professors that, but let's talk now about the implications of foreign policy or in the foreign

policy around. um, even though it's still a pretty early base, uh, we already hearing a lot of statements or seeing some movements coming from different countries. i want to start with israel, where a lot of politicians all of a sudden and now talking about the annexation of the entire west bank. now the thompson office. and or how do you seeing that the conflict is likely to evolve? well, it's been pretty bad. so fast and so genocide, joe is so many people call him, is quite unforgivable of what the by didn't administration did over the last year, allowing at most of ation, mass killing and gaza. so over 700 people killed in the west bank since october, some 10 for live in an unquestioned, big, desolate, and of course, extending the will into lebanon, and using these dreadful tactics. attacking hospitals, schools, united nations buildings and so on. well, you can kind of get with us,

and of course it can get worse. and by doing i thought i bit tube in the last time . his big gamble was on the so called a behind the codes to ditch sure to dump the palestinians. and then tab it with a game, it was sad, you're going to be normally stationed with his go united down your family, expiring and so on. and so that didn't work. it provoked this uprising and the world will not accept at this time. so trump may want something or other and you know, it, obviously they, the extremist and is here in the government. have these huge ambitions from indeed, from the, from the give it to the scene to make it a single state. but of course they, they can't do this in isolation because we go to a vast, yes, it's an area where we talk this ducks out. you're going to be caught on united. so it's a, yeah, it's going to be very important to see how he can bring them on board. and they quite clearly will not abandon the palestinian course today. so it set everything to pay for. we just hope that you know that the term can make unpredictability. may

book to advantage here is that he may actually then speak to an engineer how insight stop this mass murder and stop some all of this. ok, i think he's as unpredictable as he's for nevada and the, as he pointed out, you know, he's furniture for the read this out is, is not only a platonic, i'm in the, in the, as to lot in the, in the united states. yeah, that's got there is a material interest there as well. absolutely. and as you say to him is, uh, is mckenzie list. i said to you is that we told him, hoping that his normalize things internally, but also to normalize america in foreign policy. it's a pragmatic oil and relationship, some sort is bigger than is going on. so in the logic context, he understands that and scans done so important with united value, maybe it's and so, and so many other states as well. now turning to the conflict in ukraine now according to pulse, the majority of americans are roughly 70 percent. so it includes also some democratic folders as well. they want the leadership of the united states to push

your brain towards any goal, shaded peace with russia. what are your bads on how the new administration is going to handle it? it seems to him, as i said to him, cold thing is that you must take his words seriously, but not let's relate until the 24 hours. just a symbolic way of saying, nope, i'm going to deal with this and he's upset a guy that to allow a girl in the heart of yo, with stomach stuffing and damage and selling his damage. you know, obviously to you're trying to show to yoga up as well and to global piece and development. so yep, i mean was again, uh, if it had been a bind and no kind of behaviors who'd once we'd have continuity, we go and have a new team and so they will try to. but what, maybe we don't know, oppose or see fox. but what i, well ways are going for, we have to start all negotiation. start with the 1st step i do moment is no steps. so once, if we can actually just start the process. and of course i think it's important

human. he was attacked last time for his go to the relationship between 2 i'm computing, i think it's an advantage. i think that the 2 can talk, but not the language of ultimatum. so because that, you know, there's that famous report allegedly that to him said if, if he also doesn't accept it, they get a bull moscow. i mean, this was described as a put his press secretary, sunday on the day when, when uh, you know, the last time they observed that when trump moved into the lighthouse keys, rhetoric. yeah. so essentially just have stuff and do you put your hand putting into book medically, but letting me use this opportunity to ask you about the criminal and because the rest of the leader has so far been uh, quite reserved. the in his reaction to the results of the american election. but clearly lodgement put in is interested in ending this for me uh, fully on the rushes terms. um, do you think he will uh, find this up a change in trunk coming to the white house, attractive enough to perhaps compromise or at least to invest

a little bit of trust in the west again? i think that, i mean his position in gosh, as official position is to go back to the eastern bu agreement of march, april 2022, adding new tires for in the rush. i had been bringing the car and taking into account changes on the, on the field itself. absolutely. this makes neutrality. no nato membership and acceptance of the tell your total position. because obviously you can use a major country, a big country, somebody have to go from that. so what, and i also think that the coming position is that this is resolution congress pay local for the time being to allow the board to start all the 3 fire permanent settlement not appear in type. so it's not a problem and supplement that means sea levels within ukraine itself. and then the european security level, which is absolutely fascinated and then the global level us and larger which china of course in india and the brazil framework. so, you know, is nested like progressing, go all of these. and i will say that to him, please go to, you know, hitch t engaged with china earlier,

quite significantly. so and then do so it's, i have a feeling that this, let's just put it this way. there's a slightly more chance of movement towards some sort of peace settlement. no. then that would have been, if the alternative had happened about you really before, the whole point of me to what's to prevent more and yet somehow it ended up in the various situation. it was designed to avoid. is there any and that the new american leadership can do to sort of bring nature back to its initial defense and the conflicts prevention rather than mission, crape orientation. one of the interesting things, like the most interesting thing about the hotel phenomenon, is that it's post a plan to assessed by that. i mean, that we've lived in europe since 1945 with the united states deeply involved in since 1949 we've nighttime. so, and it's pets, very good. united states provided the marshall plan and the coverage and so on. and we want to remain allies with the united states knowing his questioning that. but

what we don't want is this constant, if you like investigation and some people call that. and what i would like to say is this post this post them, or you can imagine, which would be, you know, again, some sort of vision from lisbon to vladivostok, inclusive security or to body. and of course, this is going to a shop with our souls, the pen union, and those who really invested into nato. and what is they tell too much like it was an instrument designed for collective defense. it failed of to the end of the 1st code will often 1999 to become a collective security buddy. that's a very different thing. collective defense is against them. once collective security brings everyone in and pull, russia was left out. there was no place for gotcha in that's a collective different system and we are where we are. so we really have to go to basics and jump into started. so saying so many device, smart man, i like face change of his behaviors, but to have them everything is

a way of expressing want to understand but yes, but he, you know, he's, it, he's actually smart than what was just to kind of put on in this selection, it was very interesting that he was sometimes this is what made to him popular psychiatrist metrics is a, sometimes a self reflective and, you know, even, you know, he gave one a speech as of his who is this nonsense for me? okay. yeah, dressing unless he makes the car part of the narcissistic. as he appears he also appears human. yes, exactly. it's all he does all of them. even some awareness of his faults as he does human quite well. some um, since you mentioned your up in the last couple of hours, we also learned that the ruling coalition in germany fell apart with the chancellor shoulds firing his finance minister, accusing him of deep tub advertising and betraying the interest of the nation. while the minister, who is the chancellor of being unable to offer a viable economic program for joe many of the time of crisis, where do you think trump's re election may not your of,

and more precisely joining because this used to be the sort of the main founding stolen, no security in your and indeed the economic power. how yeah, and of course it's been suffering due industrialization, lack of investment. i know really for 20 years of lack of investment in physical infrastructure, health education, so on highways. so just as lost its shine, and it's now coming to crunch time. and so there's 2 accusations you've been a both accurate with who it is saying. i like to change the recent elections and brandon back to you and get insights and they are so not just assume right wing movement. but also there's still a strongly steering, astonishing strength of this left conservative. so those are the next. and so the elect to a politics of yoga is also changing. i have a feeling that to him will be a game changer that we're going to see possibly a, you know, changes in germany. we're obviously now there's going to be an election next year. and that will obviously change with the new government as clear and also in

feelings. we've got elections coming up impacts and we're getting the pen government finally. initially, malone, they will perhaps become more like we're going to somebody in bologna. nothing regarding prospective but suggest challenging that at line to assist that nato, that militaristic block. so we may say that so suddenly, all the pieces in movement, again, how they collect, how they gauge themselves. well, who can so, but it's actually going to be, i think, an important time for yoga to look at itself and decide what sort of you do we want . well, actually you are letting me into my guess final question. i mentioned alex's, the talk to a, in my introduction and apart from demo present america, he also penned the very interesting work, self interest. well, in the student, i think it's a very timely to a very timely charities and how to balance individual freedoms with the social interest or the values of society as a whole. and i wonder if you think form or process them. societies like germany or

perhaps some others can still come to a different understanding of their own self interest, something that you know, service them. but also, you know, doesn't contradict that. the neighbor really ties, let's say, yeah, absolutely. this is one of the things which i frequently told by the normalization of international politics that to move back to the principal of solving international, you're solving and state, your government and your own interests. but the also into action this to work with others for common issues. but what's we've seen in latest is, is this sort of a liberal internationalism, which has undermined the ability for states to shape that and destined, as, as you say, into distance listing and hungry. the way this is working out in poland in different ways in slovakia and so many countries want to say no, no, we want to be part of a larger community. but at the same time we don't want to give up our own individuality. so i think that to him, selection has he had seen as

a sign up for us moving into a post liberal society. well, um or if it's a sec, while i hope you are right. but to, i guess we will explore that in our next interview. a couple of years from now. thank you very much for being with us today though. my pleasure. thank you. i'm thank you for watching. i hope to see her again on well for parts the, the, the hey everybody, welcome.