of the many places in the world where you can say, oh, on the divide between the 2 oceans. do you mind not think kids? what does this, hey, and what is northern or phone goes vision and the can or is that us national park? and today's, we know the was itself was taking a deep side into some beach because of the welcome to cross that bowl into were all things considered on people about being coming. trump administration is set to inherit a foreign policy mess of epic proportions. the conflict in ukraine in the genocide and palestine conventionally to will the bind team intentionally make things worse

to discuss these issues and more, i'm joined by my guess george, send me while we in budapest, he's a pod cast or the gavel which can be found on youtube locals and assemble. we have cutting serial amount of is a historian and political commentator. right, gentlemen, growth, stock rules and effect. that means you can jump anytime you want. and i always appreciate it. all right, let's start off with george in budapest. i'm sure donald trump is very pleased with himself. his supporters are so pleased with himself, probably that just about at this point here. but george, he inherits a farm policy catastrophe in many ways. okay. um with it very likely. within a couple of months he will be called uh, genocide. donald um, uh, he's a man that can't in wars and who the wasn't the way that could happen. is it the vitamin ministration sets a mine field in front of them? we have to remember the obama people did that to drum when he was coming into office in january of 2017. they know how to do it. they know how to make things

worse. if they can't win the we're going to make sure donald trump can't win either george, your thoughts? i agree with you peter. i, i think this is the most dangerous moment with 2 months to go before he takes the oath of office. we already read in the previous months that late i was going by the ministration is going to trump proof a number of its policies. and what is going to trump prove other policies in the middle east and the policies in ukraine? the ukraine wars really to buy new ministrations, baby, i mean this is, this is a, this is, it's, it's signature policy. so it's not just going to allow a trump to walk in and say like, i'm just gonna bring this to an end. and then i'll be the peacemaker. and you know, with my nobel peace prize please. um, so they go to makes things as difficult as possible,

which means that i think they go to try to escalate thing that we already have. you will already have stories that the by and has signed off on the send. one most similar is in the american bosner is in ukraine. but that's, or we've already known that our america, most of it is essentially means the united states is going to send most of the reason out of it. this is going to be an actual policy of getting as many of x. yeah. so it was months into ukraine as possible, and i think the next step will be that they will take off or restrains on the use of uh, long distance messiah's, uh, in, in ukraine dissolving trunk can do about it. um, and as you mentioned about, um, uh, obama and his outgoing days. um no, something trunk could do. he basically will tumble, set in motion, russia. good bye bye. making all these ridiculous allegations about russia haven't

begin to see it in the us election and then expelling russian diplomat of and um, seizing russian consulate and imposing sanctions. which means that trucks hands were tied almost from the beginning. if he, if he follows through, then its uh, then relations are very bad. if he goes against, uh, you know, actually denies this, then he seems very weak. and this will be prove that he is a russian agent. something like this is going to be in the woods. he, these people are very, very devious and nice. they kind of goes focusing on the brain as george has here. escalation is the only way forward for the bible administration because then essentially that it isn't admitting defeat, which it does not want to do. and that is a kind of a bi partisan thing. we, of course, it is a bygone is war, but what i personally kind of extrapolating from what george said is that you know, more long range missiles and of the more leeway for the,

for the regime. and in kids to um, um, embrace shade itself to nato howard's etc, etc. and trump will just be in a situation or a p once the dns collect, he looks weak. he looks like he's perkins carpet. i mean, there's the binding ministration can make this really, really part you know, dot com. i think i agree with both of you on the lodge define that ministration and the deep state elements that big, but i'm a lawyer to it and the media that to remain lawyer to, to try to, to i agree, but i would take a step back and ask about how much they can do and that i'd, i'd be more cautious. but i think trump isn't a much stronger position than your boss. and as for us to press the, for the it has now video of a powerful mandate. he may get to try to track the humidity of it without the

respect to me. he has no power right now. he has the prestige. okay. you got intact how he can not tell the by the minute. okay. you the, i'll do anything until i come into a power point 8. the that's, that's what i was going to address next. what kind of binding is does really still do? that's the question we have to ask, and we can talk about mercenaries, and we can talk about language besides twice. but you know what, both of them on game changes. we have known this for a long time. and the only saying that both of them would produce is more rushing hospitalization against ukraine, and probably even more or less than military advances. so it's not like suddenly the by doing this does have says magic want is rich, the can defeat device to as if another little, but i think that was the point there was that i think they're all actually in agreement because what i think that in the waiting days of this administrative, i'm directing this to george right now is a defeat is inevitable, but it will be trumps to feed the bible's see that's what they want. so i,

i agree peter, and i think this is what's so important here. what to the a bite, the ministration people really want is that this will is going to be wrapped around the trump neck. on january, the 20th, within 2 hours of the drum stating the it was a love is, everyone is going to turn on trump as a, this is your wor, this is look, look, will these terrible things that are going on? this is on you and, and, and this is the trunk will be that a very much box them because if you know, i think he will try to put forward some kind of a piece plan. i mean, the been all these base plans that have been floated in the media and, you know, we're getting this all the outlines of it, which is everything freezing the frozen in place. and then we get this, the 800 mile demilitarized zone, which will be man's or by the european noise made. so countries,

the service ma'am, which sims is, does that sound like a good deal with a tool and then um, and then suppose that they will, will, the, the question of the nato membership of ukraine will be put off for 20 years. now, if that is roughly what trump is thinking, then i don't think is of it. it will, it's a go because i don't think there's anything ready here that will particularly appeal to rush up. there's nothing here to which will appeal to ukraine. now. then the question is, what, what discount do then? i mean if, if he but both, what would this be a plan? there are no, it's a because what does he do then? and i think great danger. there is a, i don't, you know, he is going to escalate you. then he will essentially go, okay, well then, you know, i did then my best i booked this for what i'm gonna see it gonna essentially go back to the drawing board. oh, well, let's see if we can escalate. that's likely to bring the russians to the ocean. i

think it was. so i think that somehow because this piece but i think is the, is that the it doesn't fly. then we're all going to be back on the escalation. we are going to be back on. this will be absolutely blamed on trump and truck forcing cause an emissions domestic agenda is going to be a very unpopular president very, very quickly. i think i think that george, no, i said good something george mike will be then he gets very of the case. i don't think it's george theories. okay, good. but, but i, i disagree with the theory entirely, frankly. i the degree of, of support that this type of these plans that we have been feeling leaks about like to fact to a made to piece, keep us from europe, not from america last 20 years and all that stuff. that's all portrait. i totally agree. unable in fly be know that, but i disagree with what happens next, because i don't think trump escalate and ukraine. absolutely not. this would only happen if trying penzel before the policy basic get to my pale and as

a new account that remains to be seen. i think from anywhere is much keen on being aggressive towards china and a st. trump as internalize the idea that if anybody gets to escalate and ukraine again, it's a you pins. so if drums please glen for this, i think the next step from the trump administration would be to say, you know what, process know what i'm doing, you know, what brought it and you'll know about boss. so you know what politics it's, you, ok be now. and he would act to see if that embarrassment to them. and i have to come back to the fact that trump has been talking about ending to ukraine bought in this election campaign. he has been quite volt, could for complain about that. so he knows he has back in for doing that. i really don't think the drum sits, the and i will use a root expression is shifting his ponds about being birds and 50 feet in ukraine. i

really don't st. that's true. i don't spend time with the buxton and that way. that's a very interesting to george. i mean, it again, you know, and we've heard this all are like, you know, who los china, who lost russia, who lost ukraine. and that's gonna be very powerful. um and, and you know, even though his mandate is a, is a clear and um, you know, what is it? yeah. it's a landslide victory for him. um, this is gonna be a brick wall that he's going to hit, you know, t. well, he gave up the russians one, etc. nato's at stake. now, this is what he wanted to do, destroy nato. we could see we could easily go on what they're going to. um, uh, a pain came with okay, didn't matter anymore. that's addressed to the other narratives, the metal floor rate to my adults. but does it matter any more that so we just adjust the charges, the intelligence community matter as well as soon as they do. and i think that, i mean, i think the dirt to reach the raising of a very good point. i mean, he,

you know, he's the says, yeah, look in trump on live in this while he doesn't see russia as an enemy. but as the people around trunk of easy media, circle one to end this war, that makes sense. but then yeah, you, you still got late intelligence and the security up are up. you still got the, the whole got ocho, washington, the national security bubble. and they are going to absolutely resist this policy and, and, and as you say, be the, you know, there is the question of who lost the ukraine. i mean, he, you know, basically if, if he just does, does this, you know, the, you know, and get, it gives up on the ukraine. and so says, hey again, well, this, this list will, is lost, the repercussions are already homeless. i mean, the repercussions will nato repercussions for of foot for the whole transatlantic alliance will be in, you know, was trouble. and the find is now we have to think about, you know, is trump such

a bold, imaginative person who say, okay, yeah, i want to completely transform the geo political scene. you know, it doesn't, there's not, there's no evidence of that, but the trump does indeed one of the big these very bold does that. you know, you know, we, we saw him and during his sweetheart, okay, i'd have to have jump in here gentlemen, we have to go to a hard break. and after that hard break, we'll continue our discussion on so real minute stay with our to the look forward. to talking to you all, that technology should work for people. a robot must obey the orders given by human beings accept. we're so short or is it conflict with the 1st law show alignment of the patient. we should be very careful about our personal intelligence at the point, obviously is to create a trust rather than at the various shop with

artificial intelligence we have summoning the theme and the most protect this phone existence was alexis, the is the launch of a special military operation mold in $13000.00 far less than the race of joining the ukrainian military. we will use a lot of things are good enough to stop growing up. i mean, you, i need for 2 of us, do you have any of them? are they affiliated with child? support which my friend built for the fine you is fine. yeah. the the but if the yeah the that the surgeon at the end of what it is,

i didn't know that you know for your state. okay. mental breakdown skin stuff that you might have slightly recovery finding from the phone soon as the sean. yeah. and it, it comes to a lot of use that to find out if they're still on top of the field of worship. go mean to this us. that'd be good to see a guy and use that us and deal with a police report and so federal insurance for you. my florida, she knew was like you strong enough listening to the physical and that's the ultimate across that goal. barnes. on peter level here, we're discussing some real names. george, you built up a lot of steam at the end, the end of the 1st block there. i want you to let the rest of it. i'll go ahead. well, i think with the truck, you know, is it showed, i mean, well, you know, when he was at his boldest and was the imaginative which was in 2015, 2016. he really didn't do very much now. um, we can say, oh, well,

that was then he's going to do those things differently this time, but he will undertake this. the bold, imaginative steps may be, but he hasn't given any indication of an elvis during this campaign. he's an adult in very, very vague terms. about all of that, well will the will when you agree, and that wouldn't happen if i've been president. and so he's good with no indications that he is ready, essentially to re think the entire late, those structure the entire trans atlantic islands, which is clearly it does need re thinking it does need to be dismantled. but trump doesn't get a given e sign, but that's where he wants to go. i think he just thinks that he p as an as ease personality is a, is a bali and can just simply by enhance together and get a deal gone over the book. but don't think you spoke through what, um, how you do this and, and the, you know, and so, you know, when they realize they will just of the vacations of this. yeah, teddy gave me a,

we've all seen the leaks and obviously intentional leaks this grims and drabs of things. and i think all 3 of us would agree, it doesn't really make any sense because of the, the most important element that is missing is that, well, what did the russians actually think about it that's never taken into consideration? and if you, i think all 3 of us in our view, our viewers know, then rush of on security, it can only have piece of it has security. and that's something that's not part of the western. they can equation as a matter of fact the by the administration's ultimate goal and it's last month is just to keep it going on and it's not to win. it's just to keep it going. and that is a winning recipe in washington in brussels. go ahead study. no, i mean can i say 2 things? look good so far. i agree, the fuels that trump is in danger of being the target. also who lost you create a narrative. but don't forget, american politics also have some narratives about who brought us into. and they can

be quite powerful. if you think about the vietnam war die, it's an open question to me, but small, powerful, who lost written them all who got us into vietnam? actually, if you think about, transferred us to, let's not overlook that. he actually did make the decisions that led to brandon, lindsey of kind of stone for, but it was done then later in a catastrophic fashion, the, by the but trump actually paid to wait for that. so be had a little bit of a precedent for him being capable of not simply being a slice to what people leave behind to in the as i said, once again is i think he's much less afraid of as of republicans now, the sort of international is between of the republican party has been destroyed. this is very important, isn't as if the media is less afraid of the other branches of government even

actually shapes the to disagree it once again. anyhow, i'd, we could don't seem to be, can come through what you did in this past weekend, conclude from what you did in this past time to the 2nd. although i grieve of george that the also have very little to go by vanity, try to guess bought people to in the 2nd or ever one thing i would argue it's not going to be very similar to them, but i think it would be very different. uh i, we were all agreement that georgia also the issue of, of what's going on in, in gaza palestine and to extrapolate out in ran. and this is something that, um, you know, we, we, we were led to believe. i assume it's true that the net and you have a government is over joy and having donald trump return to the white house. now we, we will find out one day to what degree, the anti genocide, pro palestinian,

whatever you want to call it, the voters and you have to be election. i think it did it. what was it meaningful? was the determinant of, i don't know um, but that's on the agenda then that that is a red line for many, many people. the majority of people, the death on the, in the democratic party about also a large percentage of the republican party call it for what it is. it's a genocide. like i said, in the beginning of the program genocide, joe can easily turn into genocide donald george. but i guess i can just the address a couple of, of things that the but the reset 1st is true that the trump said in train the, the biden's exit from i've got a song, but the fact is, trump didn't follow through on that. it's a game, trump add these, you know, piece making impulses, but they didn't follow through. he also said he was gonna withdraw from syria. he didn't fall and throw in fact today, and he bumps up and then, and on ukraine. he went and did something that obama didn't want to do. he started

sending lisa weapons to ukraine. so you've got to set that up on the other side, which is that, well, you know, he had these and vicious ideas that he would be the peace maker. but if i see pursued the opposite pauses, that's why i think that, you know, this what happens when he presents his piece plan, you know, i, you know, maybe he's going to, so yes it, okay, i'm going to pull the plug on ukraine, but he may go the other way and say, well i, i presented this beast blank. russia didn't, didn't go for it. and so, you know, now's the time to escalate. but just to return to your point, i gave you the, the, the original genesis joe will become genocide dong in no time. the toilet gates. he will absolutely be hit with the, with, with the responsibility for everything. every time somebody gets a show of every time you get a refuge account that's destroyed every, every baby bugs will be on the trunk. and if

you don't let and the apple takes, you know, trumps victory as hey, that's a, that's a green light that i can do whatever i like. but then again this will be on chrome and then, and then what, what is going on with it? is it is trump going to try to rein him in speech tries to do that. the of course, a game quotes on popularity again, he can do it. i mean, he, you know, he can, he can absolutely. you know, they, he does have a mandate as he gets here just as on the, on the crazy to pursue a serious basement. he can absolutely. and then you're pull that, you know, ready to get tough one image and yahoo wish it as will he do it will, will he really bite the bullet and pursue that positive? i love them. i don't know how to tell you. it's very interesting. and this time from now to the know of your ration day. um do you see that? um uh, is real well, uh, escalating and demanding that the us go in and its defense visa be in around because this is a very, very delicate time right now. um,

these railways are, are, are, are very keen political operators that i understand american politics very well and this interest period. i think it's a very dangerous time right now terry, on things is where it is the wrong part of american politics. money to them. but i agree totally. and also agree with george that there's no hope, i think that from to be better in any way or in resisting to god's genocidal in stopping the gods. that genocide which an american president could easily do if they wanted. i think it really to and from genocide joel to genocide on a, i still think it was right to punish the genocide us who were in office. right. it was that turn to be punished. and next i maybe do have to punish trump config can. but the issue is that you would talk about has to do with about this would be wrong . i think most support. and there is, of course,

the sense that trump is supposed to set to met on yahoo that would do whatever you have to do. in essence, and that is where it is good sees us as encouragement to attack yvonne again at this time, especially to go off to yvonne's nuclear installation. so at least the ones that can destroy, not all of them are easy targets. however, i think that is one flip side to this, which is i for you, you have to enter the to be separate between easy giving. the is where it is the window of opportunity and is the offering them u. s. support. because i think it's possible that the trump messages go in and to avoid you have to do, but don't count on us. and that would be very different message because look, say is also j d brains with actually come out and said that the don't want to blow up if you are on, i'm paraphrasing, but it was pretty much that what you said. and the one thing that comes out of nowhere trump is very nationalistic and transaction, and he is in stupid. i don't think he wants to be the next president for fives and

in almost the waste football in the middle east on behalf of these ladies. so that sort of thing, but it gets complicated that like i read it to me. but george, i mean we've heard this before when he or bama was coming into office. there was a, a bombing campaign in gaza and the incoming administration said, you know, do whatever you gotta do, but have it over before we come into office and day before it actually came to an end. there's, there was it, there were rumors that he's actually said the same thing. do what you have to do, but wrap it up before i come into office. i don't know if these are these really so terrible. uh, biting. yeah. say, why would they care about what trump has to st george? well, the problem is with that, well wrap it up before we come to bowers. i left point just real wrapping up. i mean is, is this really in a position to wrap it up because i don't think it is. i mean, i think it does really well in a position to wrap things up. it would have done it. i mean a, the normal, i'm sure that they don't that happy about the wall that's been going on for more

than the year and then not able to wrap it up. which means that, you know, when, when trump comes in, it, that will still be ongoing. and then what does from do, you know, then again, you know, you cannot make an either the or continue with this. and therefore this is his genocide, the dom. and or he can then uh try to, you know, essentially um, you know, blanket bite the bullet and, uh, and the stop and threatening to come to me. it's in the, well, no, i'm on the show. you can do this. there's also this service. you mentioned the uranium aspect to it that would now have the southern indictments of, of people who are allegedly where, you know, on this last relation plot communities, like i said in the, in the files of to around to the killed trunk and oh, drivers which is the, so you take that seriously, is this something that these go to actually this,

you know, gave me maybe he's going to be a very imaginative, but the password was called. and when we saw this, the game is going to is that he does talk a good game and he makes also to very, very sensible, rational. um, you know, 1st steps towards a sense of a policy. and then he doesn't do it. i mean it's a little bit of north korea. it is something no other present daddy's little made. this was a overtures you had these meetings um and with the north korean lead is and then nothing is just regular disability and died on the line. so again, perfectly reasonable for him to, to actually do something that you know about the, about israel. and the stop, the, you know, is really just sort of and, you know, essentially a threatening black bailey extolled thing from the united states. but i mean, you know, human just simply not gonna be able to pursue that amended against genocide. dom well, we're going to find out if trump learned anything from his 1st german in it and

understand the failures of the by the ministration until the end. gentleman, that's all the time we have one, i think my yes and the assemble and in budapest reports about i think it would be worse for watching us here at our dc and next time. and remember across levels the of the after the non c. c, power in italy, states foreign policy became extremely aggressive. benito mussolini needed glorious victories. he decided to achieve his ambitions in africa. despite the fact that

formally libya had become an alien colony back in 1912. the vast territories of this country were not actually controlled by rome. the nazis decided to put an end to this. but as soon as the religious order of the senate side stood in their way, the arabs did not want to submit to foreign power and put up fierce resistance. dividers against colonialism were led by the seats of this inside order. omar l move star was nicknamed the lion of the desert for his incredible courage. despite the violent, bombardments and boys in gas usage, mass deportations, and the imprisonment of the local population in concentration camps. the invaders could not go with the era patriots for a decade. in 1931, omar l moved star was captured and sentenced to hanging at the trial. the hero of the libyan people behaved very bravely and rejected. bard pursuing

a policy of genocide, italy was only able to temporarily suppress libya, 18th of the entire population. more than 100000 people fail victim to their however, just a few years later the entail you enroll, collapsed in 1951, libya became one of the 1st countries in africa to gain independence. the the good good. i think goes on this. this guy it's you good.