expanding cooperation between russia, south africa, and other countries in the multi polar world as well. and yet, the west continues to try to push this narrative that russia is isolated. right. and uh, its been obviously trying to frustrate uh, further, the further deepening of relations between russia and the african continent. what do you think about that? the approach that the west has been taking? i think it's time for the african countries or the countries in the global south to really is bend up on their own and be able to so dismantled the they, they, they, the poa, a was sorted to that have been in the center of the and you knew paula was waiting. right now, we are advocating for more money to port out, well, wait in a individual countries need to drive their own development agenda. so without an of a person sitting else waiting,

there was in the west. dictating tends as to how they need to go about it. we agreed to in this conference that africa's problems need africa solutions. and in that we mean that the countries of the globe us out the really need to come together in the united forms so that we can be able to spend the same together and be able to do away with the new pull out and built in multiple well, way each and every country will be respected in terms of its own frame too, and also in terms of the hullo, fluids disappearing into so to speak to countries. all right, thank you very much, mr. b. minister for the, for the interview. thank you so much for giving us of all that is our news, but as soon as this hour we will be back up the top with the legs. of course just hide you over until then it is cross cool. enjoy the

the welcome to cross that bowl into work all things considered on people about being coming. trump administration is set to inherit a foreign policy mess of epic proportions. the conflict, the new crane, and the genocide and palestine. conventionally to will the binding team intentionally make things worse. to discuss these issues and more, i'm joined by my guess, george samuel, we in budapest, he's a pod cast or the goggle, which can be bound on youtube and locals and, and assemble. we have cutting through a model is a historian and political commentator. right, gentlemen, cross talk roles and effect. that means you can jump anytime you want, and i always appreciate it. all right,

let's start off with george in budapest. i'm sure donald trump is very pleased with himself. his supporters are so pleased with himself, probably that just about at this point here. but george, he inherits a farm policy catastrophe in many ways. okay. with it very likely. within a couple of months he will be called the genocide donald. um, uh, he's a man that can't and wars and the wasn't the, the way that could happen is that the vitamin ministration sets a mine field in front of them. we have to remember the obama people that that to drum, when he was coming into office in january of 2017, they know how to do it. they know how to make things worse. if they can't, when they're going to make sure donald trump can't win either george, your thoughts? i agree with you being so i think this is the most dangerous moment with 2 months to go before he um takes the oath of office. we already read in the previous

months that late i was going by the ministration is going to trump proof a number of it spa, this is kind of the weather is going to trump prove all the policies in the middle east and the policies in ukraine and the ukraine wars really defined, the ministrations baby. i mean this is, this is a, this is, it's, it's signature policy. so it's not just going to allow a trump to walk in and say like, i'm just gonna bring this up to an end. and then i'll do the peacemaker and then you know, with my nobel peace prize please. um, so they go to makes things as difficult as possible, which means that i think they go to try to escalate thing that we already have. you will already have stories that the by and has signed off on. i'm present on most similar is in the american both scenarios in ukraine. but that's or

we've already known that our america, most of it is essentially means the united states is going to send most, and there is another one. this is going to be an actual policy of getting as many of x. yeah. so it was months into ukraine as possible, and i think the next step will be that they will take off or restrains on the use of uh, long distance. somebody size uh, in, in ukraine dissolving trunk can do about it. um, and as you mentioned about, um obama in his outgoing days. um no, something trunk to do. he basically will tumble, set in motion, rush or gate by, by making all these ridiculous allegations about. um uh, rush, i haven't game to see it in the us selection and then expelling russian diplomats and um, seizing russian consulate and imposing sanctions. which means that trucks hands were tied almost from the beginning. if he, if he follows through that it's uh that it really seems

a very bad if he goes against the, you know, actually denies this, then he seems very weak and it will be post. but he's a russian agent. something like this is going to be in the words hit the, the book of various already, d, v as a nasty categories focusing on ukraine is george has here. um, escalation is the only way forward for the bite and ministration. because then essentially then it is in admitting defeat, which it does not want to do. and that is a kind of a bi partisan thing. we of course, it is a bygone is war. but what i for see, kind of extrapolating from what george said is that you know, more long range missiles. i'm of the more leeway for the, for the regime. and in care of to um, embrace shade itself to nato howards, etc, etc. and trump will just be in a situation where it be once a day of school, like he looks week, it looks like he's perkins carpet. i mean, there's the binding ministration can make this really, really part you know,

dot com. i think i'd agree with both of you on large, dividing that ministration and the deep state elements that big, but my lawyer to it and the media that 3 of them a lawyer to, to try to to. i agree, but i would take a step back and ask about how much they can do and that i'd, i'd be more cautious. but i think trump isn't a much stronger position than your boss. and as for us to trust the for the it has now video of a powerful mandate, he may get to try for the humidity of it without the respect to me. he has no power right now. he has the prestige. okay. he got into how he can not tell the vitamin. okay, who the hell do anything until i come into power point 8 to and that's, that's what i was going to address next. what kind of binding is does really still do? that's the question we have to ask and we can talk about nice,

nice things. we can talk about language besides twice. but you know what, both of them on game changes the of known this for a long time. and the only thing that both of them would produce is more rushing hospitalization against ukraine, and probably even more or less than military advances. so it's not like suddenly to bite in this does have says magic want is rich, they can defeat vasa as they have another little. but i think that was the point. there was i, i think they're all actually in agreement because what i think that in the waning days of this administration, i'm directing this to george right now is a defeat is inevitable, but it will be trumps to feed the bible. the. that's what they want to do. i, i agree, peter. and i think this is what's so important here. what to the a, by the ministration people really want is that this will is going to be wrapped around the trump neck. on january the 20th,

within 2 hours of trauma stating that those of all this everyone is going to turn on trump as a, this is your wor, this is look, look, all these terrible things that are going on. this is on you and, and, and this is the trunk will be that a very much boxed in because if you know, i, i think he will try to book full with some kind of a piece plan. i mean, the been all these base plans that have been floated in the media and, you know, we were getting the, sort of the outlines of it, which is everything freezing the frozen in place. and then we get this, the 800 mile demilitarized zone, which will be man's or by european noise made. so countries a service man which seems as if it doesn't sound like a very good the book, a tool and then um, and then suppose that they will, the, the question of the nato membership of ukraine will be put off for 20 years. now,

if that is roughly what trump is thinking, then i don't think is of it or it's a go, because i don't think there's anything really here that will particularly appeal to rush up. there's nothing here to which will appeal to ukraine now. then the question is, what, what does come do then? i mean, if, if he busts, what would this be? his plan? there are no, it's a because what does he do there? and i think great danger there is a, i don't, you know, he's going to escalate you. then he will essentially go, okay, well then, you know, if i did then my best, i booked this for what i'm going to see. and gonna essentially go back to the drawing board. oh, well, let's see if we can escalate. that's likely to bring the russians to the go shaping people. so i think that somehow because of this piece, but i think is the, is that the it doesn't fly, then we're all going to get back on the escalation. we are going to be back on. this will be absolutely blamed on trump and truck for i think has an emissions domestic agenda is going to be a very unpopular president very,

very quickly in that setting. i think that george, no, i said good something or device presenting a theory of the case. i don't think it's george theories. okay, good. but, but i, i disagree with the theory entirely, frankly. i the degree of, of support that this type of piece plan that you have been feeling leaks about. like to fact to and made to piece, keep us from europe, not from america plus 20 years, some all that stuff. that's all the bullshit. i totally agree and it won't fly. be know that. but i disagree with what happens next, because i don't, st. trumpet escalate. and ukraine, absolutely not. this would only happen if trying pencil before the policy basic get to my pale and as a neo cons, that remains to be seen. i think from if any of where it's much keen on being aggressive towards china and a st. trump as internalize the idea that if anybody gets to ask the agent ukraine, the candidates, the pins. so if the drums please plan for this,

i think the next step from the trump administration would be to say, you know, up process to know what london, you know, what really, and you know about boss. so, you know what, politics, it's your baby now. and he would act to see if that embarrassment to them. and i have to come back to the fact that trump has been talking about ending to ukraine, bought in this electric company. it has been quite volt. good for complain about that. so he knows he has backing for doing that. i really don't think tom sits the and i will use a root expression is shifting his ponds about being burdened 50 feet in ukraine. i really don't think that's true. i don't seem to be boxed in in that way. that's very interesting. but george, i mean, it again, you know, and we've heard this all, or like, you know, who lost china, who lost russia, who lost ukraine. and that, that's going to be very powerful. um and, and, you know,

even though his mandate is a, is a clear and it's a landslide victory for him. and this is going to be a brick wall that he's going to hit, you know, t. well, he gave up the russians one, etc. nato's at stake. now, this is what he wanted to do, destroy nato. we could see we could easily go on what they're going to, um, uh, a pain came with okay, didn't matter anymore. that's registering the alton narratives, the metal floor rate to my adults. but does it matter any more? that's just a deficit. the georgia is the intelligence community matter as well as soon as they do it. i think that, i mean, i think don't to reach the raising of a very good point. i mean, he, you know, he's the says he, i look in trump on live in this while he doesn't see russia as an enemy, the people around trunk of easy media circle one to end this war. that makes sense . but then yeah, you, you still got late intelligence and the security app are you still got the,

the whole got to the washington, the national security bubble. and they are going to absolutely resist this policy. and, and, and is this like, the, the, you know, there is the question of who lost the ukraine. i mean, he, you know, basically, if, if he just does, does that. so, you know, the, you know, and you can get, it gives up on the ukraine. and so it says, hey, okay, well, this, this, this will, is lost, the repercussions are, are enormous. i mean, the repercussions will nato, the repercussions for of foot, for the whole transatlantic alliance will be in, you know, was trouble. and them being the find is now we have to think of that. you know, this trump such a bold, imaginative person would say, okay, yeah, i want to completely transform the, the geo political scene. you know, it doesn't, there's not, there's no evidence 11. the trump does. indeed,

one of the big these very bold, those that, you know, you know, we, we saw him and during this without okay, i'd have seen him have done been here gentlemen, we have to go to a hard break. and after that hard break, we'll continue our discussion on so real minute stay with our to the, the, the, the ultimate, the prospect boulevard. john peter le, don't hear. we're discussing some real names. george, you build up

a lot of steam at the end, the end of the 1st block there. i want you to let the rest of it out. go ahead. well, i think with the truck, you know, is it showed, i mean, well, you know, when he was at his boldest and most imaginative which was in 2015, 2016. he really didn't do very much. now we can say, oh, well, that was then he's going to do those things differently this time, but he will undertake this uh, the bold, imaginative steps may be, but he hasn't given any indication of an elvis. during this campaign. he's already talked in very, very vague terms about so that well will the will when you agree. and that wouldn't happen if i've been president. and so he's good with no indications that he is ready, essentially to re think the entire late those structure of the diet, trans, atlantic islands, which is clearly it does need re thinking it does need to be dismantled, but trump doesn't get it given any sign him but that's where he wants to go. i think he just thinks that he, p as it is, is personality is a, is a bali is,

can just simply buying heads together and get a deal. donald looked at those think you saw through what, um, how you do this and, and the, you know, and so, you know, when we realize it will just of the vacations of this. yeah, i'm petty, i mean we've all seen the leaks and obviously intentional leaks this grims and drabs and things. and i think all 3 of us would agree, it doesn't really make any sense because of the, the most important element that is missing is that, well, what did the russians actually think about it that's never taken into consideration? and if you, i think all through 3 of us in our view, our viewers know they brush one security in it, they can only have piece of it has security. and that's something that's not part of the western. they can equation as a matter of fact, the bind administrations, ultimate goal, and it's last month and it's just to keep it going on. and it's not when it's just to keep it going. and that is a winning risk to be involved in,

in brussels. go ahead study. no, i mean, can i say 2 things? look, for a cellphone, i agree, the fuels that trump is in danger of being the target. also who lost you credit narrative. but don't forget, american politics also have some narratives to about who brought us into. and they can be quite powerful if you think about the vietnam bore. i think it's an open question to me about small power for you who lost written out all who got us into vietnam. actually, if you think about transfer us to that smelled over look that he actually did make the decisions that led to brandon lindsey of contest on board. right? it was done then later in the catastrophic fashion. i'm the by the but from actually paid to late for that. so be had a little bit of a president for him being capable of not simply being a slice to what people the, the i to in the, as i said once again is i think he's much less afraid of us,

of republicans now the sort of international is between of the republican party has been destroyed. this is very important. is less afraid of the media is less afraid of the other branches of government even at to reshape so to disagree it once again, any help. i really don't think we can conclude what you did to my surprise. we can't go through it from what he did in his 1st time to the 2nd. although i agree with george, that'd be also have very little to go by vanity. try to guess bought people to in the 2nd or ever one thing i would i do. it's not going to be very similar to them, but i think it would be very different. i wish i were all of agreement. that's george. also the issue of, of what's going on in, in gaza, palestine and to extrapolate out in ran. and this is something that,

um, you know, we, we, we were led to believe. i assume it's true that the net and you, half of government is over joy and having donald trump return to the white house. now we, we will find out one day to what degree, the anti genocide, pro palestinian, whatever you want to call it, the voters impacted the election. i think it did it. what was it meaningful? was the determinative. i don't know um, but that's on the agenda. then that, that is a red line for many, many people, the majority of people, the death on the, in the democratic party about also a large percentage. and the republican party call it for what it is. it's a genocide, like i said, in the beginning of the program genocide, joe can easily turn into genocide donald george. but i guess i can just to the address a couple of the things that the but the reset 1st is true that the trump said in train the, the biden's exit from i've got a song, but the fact is,

trump didn't follow through on that. it's a getting trump add these, you know, piece making impulses, but he didn't follow through it. he also said he was gonna withdraw from syria. he didn't fall as early in 5 today, and he bumps up and then, and on ukraine. he went and did something that obama didn't want to do. he started sending lethal weapons to ukraine. so you've got a set but um, on the other side, which is that, well, you know, he had these and vicious ideas that he would be the peace maker. but if i see pursued the opposite pauses, that's why i think that, you know, this what happens when he presents his piece plan, you know, i, you know, maybe he's going to, so yes it, okay, i'm going to pull the plug on ukraine, but he may go the other way and say, well i, i presented this beast blank, russia didn't, they didn't go for it. and so, you know, now's the time to escalate. but just to return to your point, i gave you the, the, the original jenise, joe will become genocide dong in no time. the toilet gates. you will absolutely

be hit with the, with, with the responsibility for everything. every time somebody gets a show of every time you get a refugee accounts that's destroyed every, every baby bugs will be on the trunk. and if you don't let and the apple takes, you know, trumps victory as hey, that's a, that's a green light that i can do whatever i like. but then again, this will be on chrome and then and then what, what is struggling with is it is trump going to try to rein him in speech and tries to do that. the of course, a game quotes on popularity. again, he can do it. i mean, he, you know, he does, he can absolutely. you know, they, he does have a mandate as he gets here just as on the, on the crazy to pursue a serious basement. he can absolutely. and then you're pull that, you know, ready to get tough one image and yahoo wish it as will he do it will, will he really bite the bullet and pursue that policy? i have a, i don't know how to tell you. it's very interesting. and this time being um from

now to the end of your ration day. um, do you see that as real? well, uh, escalating and demanding that the us go in and its defense visa be in around because this is a very, very delicate time right now. um, these railways are, are, are, are very keen political operators that i understand american politics very well and this interest period. i think it's a very dangerous time right now. take on things is where it is a wrong part of american politics. well, i'm just, i'm, but i agree totally. and i also agree that george, that there's no hope, i think that from that would be better in any way in resisting to gaza, genocidal and stopping the gulf of genocide which an american president could easily do if they wanted. i think it really to and from genocide job to genocide on a i still think it was right to punish the genocide us who were in office. right.

it was set to be punished. and next i maybe do have to punish trump config can. but the issue is that you would talk about has to do with about this would be wrong. i think most support. and there is, of course, the sense that trump is supposed to set to met on yahoo that would do whatever you have to do. in essence, and that is where it is good sees us as encouragement to attack yvonne again at this time, especially to go off to yvonne's nuclear installation. so at least the ones that can destroy, not all of them are easy targets. however, i think there's one flip side to this, which is i for you, you have to enter the, to the separate between easy giving. the is read 8 is the window of opportunity and it's the offering them u. s. support. because i think it's possible that the trump messages go in and to avoid you have to do, but don't count on us. and that would be very different message because looks a,

is also a j d brains with actually come out and said that the don't want of all the paper on, i'm paraphrasing, but it was pretty much that what he said. and the one thing that comes out of nowhere trump is very nationalistic, i'm transaction, and he isn't stupid. i don't think he wants to be the next president of fights and in almost the waste football in the middle east on behalf of these ladies. so that's i think that gets complicated to that lady for me. that's meant to me it. but george, i mean we've heard this before, 11 or mama was coming into office. there was a, a bombing campaign in gaza and the incoming administration said, you know, do whatever you gotta do, but have it over before we come into office and day before it actually came to an end. there's, there was it, there were rumors that he's actually said the same thing. do what you have to do, but wrap it up before i come into office. i don't know if these are these rarely so care. little, uh, biting. yeah. say, why would they care about what trump has to st george?

well, the problem is with that, we'll wrap it up before we come to bowers. i love points as well. wrapping up. i mean, is, is this rarely in a position to wrap it up because i don't think it is. i mean, i think it does really well in a position to wrap things up. it would have done it. i mean a, the normal, i'm sure that they don't that happy about the wall that's been going on for more than a year and then not able to wrap it up. which means that, you know, when, when trump comes in it, that will still be ongoing. and then what does from do, you know, then again, you know, you cannot make an either the or continue with this. and therefore this is his genocide, the dom. and or he can then uh try to, you know, essentially um, you know, blanket, bite the bullet and, and the stop and threatening to come to me. it's in the, well, i'm on the show. you can do this. there's also this service, you mentioned the uranium aspect to it that would now have the southern indictments

of people who are allegedly where, you know, on the fascination plot communities, like i said in the, in the files of to around to the killed trunk and, oh, drivers gonna go to the so you take that seriously. is this something that these go to actually this, you know, gave me maybe he's going to be a very imaginative, but the password was called. and when we saw this, the game is going to is that he does talk a good game and he makes also to a very, very sensible, rational um, you know, 1st steps towards a sense of a policy. and then he doesn't do it. i mean there's a little bit of north korea, it is something no other present daddy's little made. this was a overtures you had these meetings um and with the north korean lead is and then nothing is just regular. just the died on the vine. so a game perfectly reasonable for him to be able to actually do something that you know about the, about the israel and the end to stop the, you know,

is really just sort of and you know, essentially a threatening black bailey, extorting from the united states. but i mean, you know, you may just simply not be able to pursue, let amended against genocide. dom well, who are going to find out if trump learned anything from his 1st german in it and understand the failures of divide me ministration until the end gentleman, that's all the time we have one, i think my yes and assemble. and in budapest reports one, i think it would be worse for watching us here at our dc you next time. and remember across levels the a fine, scott bennett, i'm a former united states army psychological warfare officer, really served in the state department counterterrorism office under investor del bailey. the

so i wanted to come here to russia in the dawn bass area and to gather the facts, to take back to the american people. the hold on bass of the front lines and the square, the bombs and the bullets are raging. this is where people are dying. this is where the buildings are exploding the all. i wanted to see 1st hand the scars of war, the

problems, the rebels. a children's called gay move to pay the flight hey, they would have felt safe, but on sunday is all structured without warning. 7, the children are among the 23 people killed in an idea of strikes on the launch. the christian village about maps in southern lebanon will set up the 1500s of millions into the conflict for them to find out that they cannot win and is the noise. they don't want to hear it. and the silencing anyone we have for the renown jewish academic who was recently arrested that approach kind of started randi and london, criticizing it from pulling out.