pushes for as deputy prime minister is particularly important to give them the backdrop of what are the developments that have happened or to the yard. and of course, so this, this wizard is going to amplify all of the diesels, which already have been, have been counted by both the countries. now let's talk with trade, which is going to be very, very crucial. as far as this wizard has been. so now a tweet between india and russia, it's always been important. i still have the friendship between the 2 countries. the bilateral relationship between the 2 countries for decades has been very, very strong. but ever since 2022, ever since the war a new queen started on the subsequent sanctions on russia was seen that the trade between the 2 countries is mostly going to, or to for instance, when in, you know, initially the trading box. as long as we can partners, we never defend the today of options because the tool actually from with india is exporting it's important. so that speaks williams and all of this stuff member in

the back. trump, of several threats and fresh shows from the west on india to distance itself from moscow. but on the contrary, we didn't get, did was eat when spike it's a foreign policy which is basically of no one alignment which is basically an independent form policy of india. doing what works best for india. now as far as the monks, which is concerned that the to the was if you was going to be meeting with the j shankar who is in deals for the salesman this stuff but also with the injured form in this scenario. we'll be in the evening to be we are keeping attracting all these developments. and of course we keep coming back to you. joe ross ask you of let me point out the, the, the range of what he does farming is that he's been to russia twice. the c r n in he's done was it, the 1st was age, it was decided with a both the prime minister of india and the president of russia basically spoke

about sending the swedes between the 2 nations to somewhere around a $100000000000.00 to $22020.00 towed the in fact, george, i'm not sure i'm not sure you know. so today all relations have be carried to of a particularly privilege strategic partner. and we pay on main attention to the development of trade and economic ties with last year. the trade turn, i've increased by 60 percent, even more. 66 percent in the 1st quarter of this year. it added another 20 percent . so we're looking at a $100000000000.00 trade between moscow and new denny to 20. tufty. i'm. that's a huge star. get. but the, we, we're going to, it seems like it's a very suitable one. that's what exports are pointing to remember. and you, denny is now insulting. around 40 percent of its oil from must go around 60 percent of each. so on supplies for muscle. so the future in that sense, but we're not only looking at will and defend sector, which really happens to be the one of the 3 countries. but we're also looking at

social also affect us, be looking at assigns. we're looking at for july. those we looking at a crop, so we've built a divorce to find in that sense. but the trade of cost is going to be o hoping point of this particular visit or from a go to that is good buy from us with this. how at the home from the so it is more associate us realty is the the welcome to cross that bogle into were all things considered on people about being coming. trump administration is set to inherit

a foreign policy mess of epic proportions. the conflict in ukraine and the genocide and palestine conventionally to will define team intentionally make things worse. to discuss these issues and more, i'm joined by my guess, george samuel, we in budapest, he's a pod cast or the gavel, which can be bound on youtube and locals. and, and assemble we have cutting through a model is a historian and political commentator. right? gentlemen, cross talk roles and effect. that means you can jump me anytime you want. and i always appreciate it. all right, let's start off with george in budapest. i'm sure donald trump is very pleased with himself. his supporters are so pleased with himself, probably that just about at this point here. but george, he inherits a farm policy catastrophe in many ways. okay. wait, it very likely. within a couple of months he will be called uh, genocide. donald um, uh, he's a man that can't and wars and what the way that could happen is that the vitamin

ministration sets a mine field in front of them. we have to remember the obama people did that to drum when he was coming into office in january of 2017. they know how to do it. they know how to make things worse. if they can't, when they're going to make sure donald trump can't win either george, your thoughts? i agree with you being so i think this is the most dangerous moment with 2 months to go before he um takes the owners of office. um, we already read in the previous months that they uh outgoing by the ministration is going to trump proof a number which spa, this is kind of, the weather is going to trump prove all the policies in the middle east and the policies in ukraine and the ukraine wars really defined, the ministrations baby. i mean this is, this is a, this is, it's, it's signature balls there. so it's not just going to allow a trump to walk in and say like,

i'm just gonna bring this to an end. and then i'll be the peacemaker. and you know, with my nobel peace prize please. um, so they go to makes things as difficult as possible, which means that i think they go to try to escalate thing that we already have. you will already have stories that the by and has signed off on. the single most similar is in the american bosner is in ukraine. but that's where we've already known that our america, most of it is essentially means the united states is going to send most of the reason out of it. this is going to be an actual policy of getting as many of x. yeah. so it was months into ukraine as possible, and i think the next step will be that they will take off or restrains on the use of uh, long distance. somebody size uh, in, in ukraine its resolving trunk can do about it. um, and as you mentioned about, um, obama and his outgoing days. um no something trunk to do. he basically will

tumble, set in motion, rush or gate by, by making all these ridiculous allegations about. um, uh, russian, i haven't game to see it in the us selection and then like spelling russian diplomats and um, seizing russian consulate and imposing sanctions. which means that trump's hands were tied almost from the beginning. if he, if he follows through, then it's uh then relations are very bad. if he goes against the, you know, actually denies this, then he seems very weak and it will be prove that he's a russian agent. something like this is going to be in the words hit, these people look very, very devious and nice. they the categories focusing on the brain is george has here . um, escalation is the only way forward for the bite and administration, because then essentially then it is in admitting defeat, which it does not want to do. and that is a kind of a bi partisan thing. we of course, it is a bygone is war, but what i for see kind of extrapolating from what george said is that you know

more long range missiles. i'm of the more leeway for the, for the regime and in kids to um, ingratiate itself, to nato howard's, etc, etc. and trump will just be in a situation or a be once a day of school, like he looks week in website he's pollutants carpet. i mean, there's the binding ministration can make this really, really part, you know, dot com. i think i agree with both of you on large, define that ministration and the deep state elements that the but my lawyer to it and the media that do the remain lawyer to, to try to to i agree but i would take a step back and ask about how much they can do and that i'd, i'd be more cautious. but i think trump isn't a much stronger position than your boss. and as for us to press the,

for the it has now video of a powerful mandate. he may get to try for ext. uh he maybe it without the respect me. he has no power right now. he has the prestige. okay. he got into how he cannot tell the button even. okay. who the hell do anything until i come into power? point 8, the that's, that's what i was going to address next. what kind of binding is does really stairs do? that's the question we have to ask and we can talk about nice, nice things. we can talk about language besides twice. but you know what, both of them on game changes the of known this for a long time. and the only thing that both of them would produce is more rushing hospitalization against ukraine, and probably even more or less than military advances. so it's not like suddenly to bite in this does have says magic want this rich to the can defeat device to as a different level. but i think that's the point. there was i, i think you're all actually in agreement because what i think that in the waning

days of this administration, i'm directing this to george right now is a defeat is inevitable, but it will be trumps to feed, not bibles feed. that's what they want to do. i, i agree, peter. and i think this is what's so important here. what to the a, by the ministration people really want is that this will is going to be wrapped around the trump neck. on january, the 20th, within 2 hours of trauma stating the, those of others, everyone is going to turn on trump as a, this is your wor, this is look, look, all these terrible things that are going on. this is on you and, and, and this is the trunk will be that a very much boxed in because if you know, i think he will try to book full with some kind of a piece plan. i mean, the been all these base plans that have been floated in the media and, you know, we were getting this over the outlines of it, which is everything freezing the frozen in place. and then we get this,

the 800 mile demilitarized zone, which will be man's or by the european noise made. so countries uh serviceman which seems as if it doesn't sound like a very good the book, a tool and then um, and then suppose that they will, will, the, the question of the nato membership of ukraine will be put off for 20 years. now, if that is roughly what trump is thinking, then i don't think is of it or it's a go, because i don't think there's anything really here that will particularly appeal to rush up. there's nothing here to which will appeal to ukraine. now, the question is, what, what does come do then? i mean, if, if he but bus, what would this be plan there and know it's a cuz what does he do then? and i think great danger. there is a, i don't, you know, he is going to escalate you. then he will essentially go, okay, well then, you know, if i did then my best i booked this for when i'm going to see government essentially

go back to the drawing board. oh, well, let's see if we can escalate. that's likely to bring the russians to the go shaping people. so i think that somehow because of this piece, but i think is it is that the it doesn't fly, then we're all going to be back on the escalation. we are going to be back on. this will be absolutely blamed on trunk and truck for thing has an emissions domestic agenda is going to be a very unpopular president very, very quickly. a. that's a good thing to george. no, i said good something door to mike will be then he gets theory of the case. i don't think it's george theories. okay, good. but, but i disagree with the theory entirely, frankly. i the degree of, of support that this type of piece plan that we have been hearing leaks about, like the fact to a made to piece keep us from europe, not from america plus 20 years, some, all that stuff. that's all the bullshit. i totally agree on it, on the fly. be know that. but i disagree with what happens next,

because i don't see trumpet escalate in ukraine. absolutely not. this would only happen if trying penzel before the policy base it get to my compile. and as a neo costs that remains to be seen, i think from anywhere is much keen on being aggressive towards china. and us and trumpets, internalize the idea that if anybody gets to escalate and ukraine again, it's the panes. so if drums please plan for this. i think the next step from the trump administration would be to say, you know, what process, you know, what london, you know, what for that, and you'll know about boss. so you know what politics it's, you ok be now. and he would act to see if that embarrassment to them. and i have to come back to the fact that trump has been talking about ending to ukraine, bought in this election campaign. it has been quite volk for a campaign about that. so he knows he has backing for doing that. i really don't

think tom sits, the and i, the user would expression is shifting his ponds about being burdened 50 feet in ukraine. i really don't think that's true. i don't mean to be boxed in that way. that's a very interesting to george. i mean, it again, you know, and we've heard this all or like, you know, who los china, who lost russia, who lost ukraine. and that's going to be very powerful. and, and, you know, even though his mandate is a, is a clear and it's a landslide victory for him. and this is going to be a brick wall that he's going to hit, you know, t mucks, he gave up the russians, one, etc. nato's at stake. now this is what he wanted to do, destroy nato. we could see we could easily go on what they're going to, um, uh, a pain came with okay, didn't matter anymore. that's addressed to the other narratives that do matter for rate to my adults. but does it matter any more?

that's just a density. georgia is the intelligence community matter to well as soon as they can do it, i think that, i mean, i think don't to reach the raising of a very good point. i mean, he, you know, he's the says he, i look in trump on live in this while he doesn't see russia as an enemy, the people around trunk of easy media circle one to end this war. that makes sense . but then yeah, you, you still got late intelligence and the security app are you still got the, the will go go washington. this is a national security bubble and they are going to absolutely resist this policy. and, and, and as you say, be the, you know, there is the question of who lost the ukraine. i mean, he, you know, basically, if, if he just does, does that. so, you know, the, you know, and getting gives up on the ukraine. and so says hey, okay, well this, this, this will, is last, the repercussions are, are enormous. i mean,

the repercussions will nato, the reproductions for of foot, for the whole transatlantic alliance will be in, you know, was trouble. and them being the find is now we have to think about, you know, is trump such a bold, imaginative person would say, okay, yeah, i want to completely transform the geo political scene. you know, if that doesn't, there's not, there's no evidence of that. but the trump does indeed one of the big these very bold steps. you know, you know, we, we saw him and during his without, okay, i'd have seen him to have jump in here. gentlemen, we have to go to a hard break. and after that hard break will continue our discussion on so real minute stay with our to the number of many places in the world where you can stay on the divide between the 2 oceans and over . you might not think kids. what does this hay in which is northern are found guest vision in the channels that us and national parks. and today's,

we know the stuff was from taking a deep side into some beach because the or the ultimate, the prospect boulevard john peter a little here. we're discussing some real names. george, you build to have a lot of steam at the end, the end of the 1st block there. i want you to let the rest of it out. go ahead. well, i think with the truck, you know, is it showed, i mean, well, you know, when he was at his boldest, the most imaginative which was in 2015, 2016. he really didn't do very much. now we can say, oh, well, that was then he's going to do some of those things differently this time, but he will undertake this uh, the bold, imaginative steps may be, but he hasn't given an indication of an elvis during this campaign. he's an adult in very, very vague terms about so that well will the will when you agree. and that wouldn't happen if i being president. and so he's good with no indications that he is ready,

essentially to rethink the entire late those structure of the diet, trans, atlantic islands, which is clearly it does need re thinking it does need to be dismantled, but trump doesn't get it given any sign him. but that's where he wants to go. i think he just thinks that he v as an as ease personality is a, is a bali is, can just simply buying heads together and get a deal donald look, but don't think you sold through what, um, how you do this and, and the, you know, and you know, when you realize it or just of the implications of this. yeah, teddy gaming, we've all seen the leaks and obviously intentional leaks the ribs and drabs and things. and i think all 3 of us would agree, it doesn't really make any sense because of the, the most important element that is missing is that, well, what did the russians actually think about it that's never taken into consideration? and if you, i think all 3 of us in our view, our viewers know, then rush,

you want security, it would be, can only have peace if it has security. and that's something that's not part of the western. they can't a equations as a matter of fact the by the administration's ultimate goal and it's last month. this is just to keep it going on. it's not when it's just to keep it going. and that is a winning recipe in boston in brussels. go ahead study. no, i mean, can i say 2 things look for so far i agree, the fuels that trump is in danger of being the target also who loves to credit in narrative. but don't forget, american politics also have some narratives to about who brought us into. and they can be quite powerful if you think about the vietnam for i think it's an open question to me about small power for you who lost written out all who got us into vietnam. actually, if you think about transfers to that smelled over look that he actually did make the decisions that led to bend and then the of context on for right if was

done, then later in a catastrophic fashion, i'm the by the but trump actually paid to wait for that, so be had a little bit of a precedent for him being capable of not simply being a slave to what people leave behind to him. the, as i said once again is, i think he's much less afraid of us, of republicans now. the sort of international is between of to the public and party has been destroyed. this is very important. is less afraid of the media is less afraid of the other branches of government even actually shapes the to disagree at once again, any help. i really don't seem to be can conclude what you did in this past weekend, conclude from what you did in his 1st time to the 2nd. although i agree with george, that'd be also have very little to go by vanity. try to guess bought people to in the 2nd or ever one thing i would i do. it's not going to be very similar to them,

but i think it would be very different. i wish i were all of agreement. that's george. also the issue of, of what's going on in, in gaza, palestine and to extrapolate out in ran. and this is something that, um, you know, we, we, we were led to believe. i assume it's true that the net and you, half of government is over joy and having donald trump return to the white house. now we, we will find out one day to what degree, the anti genocide, pro palestinian, whatever you want to call it, the voters impacted the election. i think it did it. what was it meaningful? was the determinative. i don't know um, but that's on the agenda. then that, that is a red line for many, many people, the majority of people, the death on the, in the democratic party about also a large percentage. and the republican party call it for what it is. it's

a genocide, like i said, in the beginning of the program genocide, joe can easily turn into genocide donald george. but i guess i can just the address a couple of the things that the but the reset 1st is true that the trump said in train the, the biden's exit from i've got a song, but the fact is, trump didn't follow through on that. it's a getting trump add these, you know, piece making impulses, but he didn't follow through it. he also said he was gonna withdraw from syria. he didn't fall as early in 5 today, and he bumps up and then, and on ukraine. he went and did something that obama didn't want to do. he started sending lethal weapons to ukraine. so you've got a set but um, on the other side, which is that, well, you know, he had these and vicious ideas that he would be the peace maker. but if i see pursued the opposite pauses, that's why i think that, you know, this what happens when he presents his peace plan and, you know, i, you know, maybe he's going to, so yes it, okay, i'm going to pull the plug on ukraine,

but he may go the other way and say, well i, i presented this piece of land. russia didn't, didn't go for it. and so, you know, now is the time to escalate. but just to return to your point, i gave you the, the, the original genesis joe will become genocide dong in no time. the toilet gates. he will absolutely be hit with the, with, with the responsibility for everything. every time somebody gets a show of every time you get a refugee counts that's destroyed every, every baby bugs will be on the trunk. and if you don't let any i who takes, you know, trumps to victory as hey, that's a, that's a green light that i, i can do whatever i like. but then again, this will be on chrome and then and then what, what is stronger there is, it is trump going to try to rein him in speech, tries to do that. the, of course, a game quotes on popularity. again, he can do it. i mean, he, you know, he does,

he can absolutely. you know, they, he does have a mandate as he gets here just as on the, on the crazy to pursue a serious basement. he can absolutely. and then you're pull that, you know, ready to get tough for him and that's in the yahoo question is, will he do it will, will he really bite the bullet and pursue that positive? i have a i don't know how to tell you. it's very interesting and this time being um from now to the end of your ration day. um, do you see that? um, uh, israel was escalating and demanding that the us go in and its defense visa be in around because this is a very, very delicate time right now. um, these railways are, are, are, are very keen political operators that i understand american politics very well. and this interest period, i think it's a very dangerous time right now terry, on things is where it is the wrong part of american politics bonded um, but i really totally. and i also agree that george, that there's no hole i think that from to be better in any way or

in resisting to gaza, genocidal and stopping the gulf of genocide which been american president could easily do if they wanted. i think it really to and from genocide joel to genocide on a, i still think it was right to punish the genocide us who bore an office by deposit to be punished. and next i maybe do have to punish trump if we can. but the issue is that you would talk about has to do with about this would be wrong, i think most applaud. and there is, of course, the sense that trump is supposed to set to met on yahoo that but do whatever you have to do in essence. and that is where it is good. sees us as encouragement to attack yvonne again at this time, especially to go off to yvonne's nuclear installation. so at least the ones that can destroy, not all of them are easy targets. however, i think that is one flip side to this, which is i for you, you have to enter the to be separate between easy giving. the is read 8 is the

window of opportunity and it's the offering them u. s. support. because i think it's possible that the trump messages go in and to avoid you have to do, but don't count on us. and that would be very different message because looks a, is also a j d branch was actually come out and said that the don't want of all the view button, i'm paraphrasing, but it was pretty much that what you said. and the one thing that comes out of nowhere trump is very nationalistic and transaction, and he is stupid. i don't think he wants to be the next president for fights and in almost the waste football in the middle east on behalf of these ladies. so that's, i think that gets complicated to that lady for me. that's meant to me. but george, i mean we've heard this before when he or bama was coming into office. they was a, a bombing campaign and gaza. and the incoming administration said, you know, do whatever you gotta do,

but have it over before we come into office and day before it actually came to an end there's, there was it, there were rumors that he's actually said the same thing. do what you have to do, but wrap it up before i come into office. i don't know if these are these rarely so care will bind yes to say, why would they care about what trump has to st george? well, the problem is with that will wrap it up before we come to power as i let points just real wrapping up. i mean is, is this really in a position to wrap it up because i don't think it is. i mean, let me do this really well in a position to wrap things up. it would have done it. i mean, a, the normal. i'm sure they don't that happy about the wall that's been going on for more than a year and then not able to wrap it up. which means that, you know, when, when trump comes in, it, that will still be ongoing. and then what does from do, you know, then again, you know, you cannot make an either the or continue with this. and therefore this is his genocide, the dom. and or he can then uh try to, you know, essentially, um,

you know, blanket bite the bullet and, and the stop and threatening to come to me. it's in the, well, no, i'm on the show. you can do this. there's also this service, you mentioned the uranium aspect to it that would now have the southern indictments of people who are allegedly where, you know, on this last relation plot communities, like i said in the get the files up to around to the kill trunk. and, oh, drivers gonna go to the so you take that seriously. is this something that these go to actually this, you know, gave me maybe he's going to be a very imaginative, but the password is what it's called. and when we saw this, the game is going to is that he does talk a good game and he makes also to a very, very sensible, rational um, you know, 1st steps towards a sense of a policy. and then he doesn't do it. i mean there's a little bit of north korea, it is something no other present daddy's little made. this was

a overtures you had these meetings um and with the north korean lead is and then nothing is just regular disability and died on the vine. so again, perfectly reasonable for him to be able to actually do something that you know about the, about the israel and the end to stop the, you know, is really just sort of and you know, essentially a threatening black, bailey extolled thing from the united states. but i mean, you know, human just simply not gonna be able to pursue that amended against genocide. dom well, who are going to find out if trump learned anything from his 1st german in it and understand the failures of the by me ministration until the end gentleman, that's all the time we have one. i think my yes and the assemble and include the customer course, want to thank our viewers for watching us here at our dc you next time. and remember across levels the

every month to the level a children's called gay move to pay that would have flight. hey, they would have felt safe, but on sunday is all struck them without warning. 7 children are among the 23 people killed, and it is a really strife from the laundry christian village of outbox that is in southern lebanon silencing anyone who speaks with one of the new dries with a piece for the end of the genocide for immediate cease fire locked out of going against the western narrative. we have not renown jewish academic who has been a rush dated approach, palestine riley in london. oh for, for decides. and today's rail and saying the west has, it's had been the economy both when the program to buy and the ministration is

scrambling to ship off, but not the.