is again, and the kremlin spokesman calls them to a fiction. that's not moscow. it's brian that a washington post report claiming that donald trump phone flooded me put in fresh off his election victory. you know, this is the most vivid example of the quality of the information, right? those cousins are being published, even quite respected publications. it is completely false. it is pure fiction. it's just misinformation published on sunday. the article is based on several anonymous sources. claims the focus of the conversation was the crime and conflict with trump apparently issuing the russian leader a stone warning. during the coal, which trump took from his results in florida, he advised the russian president not to escalate the war in ukraine and reminded him of washington size of old military presence in europe. the legacy media, i'll think he is of lies in fake news. guess what? it is shy hood and broken according to american join, us not tie

b. he says people are now relying on alternative sources and fleeing in droves from shooting into the main stream. all that and so much more with the latest episode of going on the ground is a preview. a legacy media in america is basically that we saw after this election. but they were unable to process the fact that so much of this country was voting against them that they had lost trust in them. there was an incredible thing that happened were uh, you know, abc is jimmy kimball, a comedian, rolled his eyes and told the joke about how ridiculous it was that there was somebody who voted for trump because tom will hours wouldn't do an interview with joe rogan know joe rogan, his audiences roughly $25.00 times bigger than the biggest cable audience in america. and for a presidential candidate to assume that interview is basically telling people that they don't want those votes. and so that wasn't silly at all. that wasn't that

a trifle at all, but the people in the press seems that these people are 2nd rate. and the reality is that the audience figure show that nobody really watches them anymore, that they don't really have an influence. so better just doing more of them. yeah, basically the truth is, no one does trust anymore with the likes of cnn. no m as every say, simply because we will be getting light to bought from them for so many years when they smiled and promised us they were telling us the truth. it's a more power to the alternative media outlets like this one on the the

welcome to cross that bowl into were all things considered on people about being coming. trump administration is set to inherit a foreign policy mess of epic proportions. because like the new crane in the genocide and palestine conventionally to will, the binding team intentionally make things worse. to discuss these issues and more, i'm joined by my guess, george samuel, we in budapest, he's a pod cast or the gavel which can be bound on youtube and locals and, and assemble. we have cutting through a model is a historian and political commentator. right gentlemen, cross talk roles and effect, that means you can jump anytime you want and i always appreciate it. all right, let's start off with george in budapest. i'm sure donald trump is very pleased with himself. his supporters are so pleased with himself, probably that just about at this point here. but george, he inherits a farm policy catastrophe in many ways. okay. um where it very likely within a couple of months he will be called uh genocide. donald, um, uh, he's

a man that can't and wars and what the, what the, the way that could happen is it the vitamin ministration sets a mine field in front of them. we have to remember the obama people that that to drum, when he was coming into office in january of 2017, they know how to do it. they know how to make things worse. if they can't, when they're going to make sure donald trump can't win either george your thoughts? i agree with you. pizza. i think this is the most dangerous moment with 2 months to go before he um takes the oath of office. um, we already read in the previous months that lease uh, outgoing by the ministration is going to trump proof a number which spa, this is kind of the weather is going to trump prove other policies in the middle east and the policies in ukraine. the ukraine wars really defined,

the ministrations baby. i mean this is, this is a, this is, it's, it's signature policy. so it's not just going to allow a trump to walk in and say like, i'm just gonna bring this to an end. and then i'll do the peacemaker and then you know, with my nobel peace prize place. and so they go to make things as difficult as possible, which means that i think they go to try to escalate thing the already have. you will already had stories that the by and has signed off on. the single most similar is in the american bosner is in ukraine. but that's, or we've already known that our america, most of it is essentially means the united states is going to send most of the reason out of it. this is going to be an actual policy of getting as many of x. yeah. so it was months into ukraine as possible. and i think the next step will be that they will take off or restrains on the use of long distance messiah as a in,

in ukraine, dissolving trunk can do about it. um and as you mentioned about, um, uh, obama and his outgoing days. um no, something trunk to do. he basically will tumble, set in motion. russia. good bye bye. making all these ridiculous allegations about, um, uh, russia havent game to fit in the us selection and then expelling russian diplomats and um, seizing russian and consulate and imposing sanctions. which means that trucks hands were tied almost from the beginning. if he, if he follows through, then its uh, then relations, uh, very bad. if he goes against, uh, you know, actually denies this, then he seems very weak. and this will be prove that he is a russian agent. something like this is going to be in the woods, hit the, the book of various, already, d, v as a nice they the categories focusing on the brain is george has here. um, escalation is the only way forward for the bite and ministration,

because then essentially then it is in admitting defeat, which it does not want to do. and that is a kind of a bi partisan thing. we, of course, it is a bygone is war, but what i personally kind of extrapolating from what george said is that you know, more long range missiles. i'm of the more leeway for the, for the regime. and in kids to um, um, embrace create itself to nato howard's etc, etc. and truck will just be in a situation where a be once a day of school, like he looks week. he looks like he's pollutants carpet. i mean, there's the binding ministration can make this really, really part, you know, dot com. i think i agree with both of you on the large define that ministration and the deep state elements that the but my lawyer to it and the media that do remain lawyer to, to try to to i agree but i would take

a step back and ask about how much they can do and that i'd, i'd be more cautious. but i think trump isn't a much stronger position than your boss. and as for us to trust a 40, as now video of a powerful mandate, he may get to try fixed the humidity of it without any respect to me. he has no power right now. he has the prestige. okay. you got intact how he can not tell the vitamin. okay. who the hell do anything until i come into power, but he to that's, that's what i was going to address next, watkin to bite. and he is, does really stairs do? that's the question we have to ask, and he can talk about mercenaries and we can talk about language besides twice. but you know what both of us and mom came changes the of known this for a long time. and the only saying that both of them would produce is more rushing hospitalization against ukraine, and probably even more or less than military advances. so it's not like suddenly

it's a bite and this does have says magic want this rich to the can defeat device to as if another little but i think that's the point there was i, i think they're all actually in agreement because what i think that in the waning days of this administration, i'm directing this to george right now is a defeat is inevitable, but it will be trumps feet, not vitamins to be. that's what they want to do. i. i agree either. and i think this is what's so important here. what to the a bite, the ministration people really want is that this will is going to be wrapped around the trump neck. on january the 20th, within 2 hours of trauma stating that those of others, everyone is going to turn on trump as a. this is your wor, this is look, look, all these terrible things that are going on. this is on you and, and, and listen to the trunk will be very, very much boxed in. because if you know, i think he will try to put forward some kind of a piece plan. i mean,

the been all these based plans that have been floated in the media. and you know, we were getting this over the outlines of it, which is everything freezing the frozen in place. and then we get this the 800 mile demilitarized zone, which will be man's or by european or those made. so countries uh serviceman which seems as if it doesn't sound like a very good deal with a tool and then um, and then suppose that they will, the, the question of the nato membership of ukraine will be put off for 20 years. now, if that is roughly what trump is thinking, then i don't think is of it or it's a go, because i don't think there's anything really here that will particularly appeal to rush up. there's nothing here to which will appeal to ukraine. now, the question is, what, what does come do then? i mean, if, if the bus well with this base plan, there are no, it's a because what does the do that?

and i think great danger there is a, i don't, you know, he's go to escalate you, then he will essentially go, okay, well then, you know, i did then my best i booked this for what i'm going to see. and gonna essentially go back to the drawing board. oh, well, let's see if we can escalate. that's likely to bring the russians to the go shaping people. so i think that somehow because this feasible, i think is it, is that the, it doesn't fly, then we're all going to get back on the escalation. we are going to be back on. this will be absolutely blamed on trump and truck forcing cause of the bushes. domestic agenda is going to be a very unpopular president very, very quickly. a. that's not a good thing that george. no, i said good something or device presenting? it's very of the case. i don't think it's george barry's okay, good. but, but i disagree with the theory entirely, frankly. i the degree of, of support that this type of piece plan that we have been hearing leaks about,

like the fact don't need to please keep us from europe, not from america plus 20 years, some, all that stuff. that's all it bullshit. i totally agree. unable and fly be know that. but i disagree with what happens next, because i don't see trump escalate in ukraine. absolutely not. this would only happen if trying pencil before the policy basically told me i can pay oh and as a neo costs, that remains to be seen. i think from any of where it's much keen on being aggressive towards china and us and trumpets, internalize the idea that if anybody gets to escalate and ukraine it can, it's a you pins. so if drums please plan for this. i think the next step from the trump administration could be to say, you know, up process to know what the london, you know, what brought it and you'll know about boss. so you know what politics, it's your baby now and leave it at to see if that embarrassment to them. and i have to come back to the fact that trump has been talking about ending to ukraine,

bought in this electron company. he has been quite volk for a company and about that. so he knows he has back in for doing that. i really don't think the drum sits, the and i will use a root expression is shifting his ponds about being birds and 50 feet in ukraine. i really don't think that's true. i don't seem to be boxed in in that way. that's very interesting. but george, i mean, again, you know, and we've heard this all, or like, you know, who lost china, who lost russia, who lost ukraine. and that's going to be very powerful. and, and, you know, even though his mandate is a, is a clear and though, um, you know, is it a landslide victory for him? um, this is gonna be uh, a brick wall that he's going to hit, you know, t. well, he gave up the russians one, etc. nato's at stake. now, this is what he wanted to do, destroy nato. well, we could see we could easily go on what they're going to. um, uh,

a pain came with okay, didn't matter anymore. that's right. it's too late. often narratives. the metal floor rate to my adults. but does it matter any more? that's just a density. georgia is the intelligence community matter, as well as soon as they do. and i think that, i mean, i think the dirt to reach the raising of a very good point. i mean, he, you know, he's the says, you know, look in trump once live in this while he doesn't see russia as an enemy, the people around trunk of easy media circle one to end this war. that makes sense . but then yeah, you, you still got late intelligence and the security up are up. you still got the, the whole got to go washington and should have national security bubble. and they're going to absolutely resist this policy. and, and, and there's just like the, the, you know, there is the question of who lost the ukraine. i mean, he, you know, basically, if,

if he just does, does this, you know, the, you know, and get, it gives up on the ukraine. and so says, hey again, well, this, this list will, is lost, the repercussions are, are enormous. i mean, the repercussions will nato, the repercussions for of foot, for the whole transatlantic alliance will be in, you know, was trouble. and them being the find is now we have to think of that, you know, is trump such a bold, imaginative person who say, okay, yeah, i want to completely transform of the, the geo political scene. you know, if that doesn't, there's not, there's no evidence 11. the trump does indeed want to undertake these very bold steps. you know, you know, we, we saw him and during his without. okay, i'd have seen him to have done been here gentlemen, we have to go to a hard break. and after that hard break, we'll continue our discussion. i'm so real in stay with our team. the

the the, or the the, the world domestic prospect boulevard is on peter level here. we're discussing some real names. george, you build up a lot of steam at the, in the end of the 1st block there,

i want you to let the rest of it. i'll go ahead. well, i think with the truck, you know, is it showed, i mean, well, you know, when he was that he's boldest, then most imaginative, which was in 2015, 2016. he really didn't do very much now. so we can say, oh, well, that was then he's going to do those things differently. this time that he willing to take this uh, the bold, imaginative steps may be, but he hasn't given an indication of an elvis during this campaign. he's an adult in very, very vague terms about so that well will the will when you agree. and that wouldn't happen if i being president. and so he's good with no indications that he is ready, essentially to re think the entire late those structure of the entire trans atlantic islands, which is clearly it does need re thinking it does need to be dismantled. but charles doesn't get it given any sign him that that's where he wants to go. i think he just thinks that he, p as it is, is personality is a, is a bali is,

can just simply buying heads together and get a deal. donald really look. but don't think his thoughts through what, um, how you do this and, and the, you know, and, you know, when the realize it or just of the vacations of this. yeah. take, i mean, we've all seen the leaks and obviously intentional leaks this grims and drabs and things. and i think all 3 of us would agree, it doesn't really make any sense because of the, the most important element that is missing is that, well, what did the russians actually think about it that's never taken into consideration? and if you, i think all 3 of us in our view are yours, no, they brush one security, it can only have piece of it has security. and that's something that's not part of the western. they can equation. as a matter of fact, the bike administration's ultimate goal and it's last month, this is just to keep it going on. it's not to win. it's just to keep it going. and that is a winning recipe in boston and brussels. go ahead study. no,

i mean can i say 2 things look for so far? i agree. the fuels that trump is in danger of being the target also who loves to credit in narrative. but don't forget american politics also have some narratives to about who brought us into. and they can be quite powerful. if you think about the vietnam war i, it's an open question to me about small power. if we, who last written them all who brought us into vietnam. actually, if you think about transfer us to that smelled over look that he actually did make the decisions that led to abandoning the of context on board. but it was done then later in the catastrophic fashion, i'm the by the but from actually paid to wait for that. so be had a little bit of a president for him being capable of not simply being a slave to what people leave behind to in the as i said, once again is i think he's much less afraid of all the republicans. now,

the sort of international is between of the republican party has been destroyed. this is very important. is less afraid of the media is less afraid of the other branches of government even actually shapes the to disagree at once again. anyhow, i really don't seem to be can come through what you did in this past. we can conclude from what you did in his 1st time to the 2nd. although i agree with george, that'd be also have very little to go by vanity. try to guess bought he moved to in the 2nd or every one saying i would i do. it's not going to be very similar to him, but i don't think it would be very different. uh i, we were all agreement that joyce, also the issue of, of what's going on in, in gaza palestine and to extrapolate out in room. and this is something that, um, you know, we, we,

we were led to believe. i assume it's true that um the net and yeah for government is over joy and having donald trump return to the white house. now we, we will find out one day to what degree, the anti genocide, pro palestinian, whatever you want to call it, the voters impacted the election. i think it did it. what was it meaningful? was the determinant of i don't know um, but that's on the agenda. that that is a red line for many, many people, the majority of people, the death on the, in the democratic party, a also large percentage and the republican party call it for what it is. it's a genocide, like i said, in the beginning of the program genocide, joe can easily turn into genocide donald george. but i guess i can just to the address a couple of the things that the but the reset 1st is true that the trump said in train the, the biden's exit from i've got a song, but the fact is,

trump didn't follow through on that. it's a getting trump add these, you know, police making impulses, but he didn't follow through. he also said he was gonna withdraw from syria. he didn't fall as early in 5 today, and he bumps up and then, and on ukraine. he went and did something that obama didn't want to do. he started sending lisa weapons to ukraine. so you got to set that up on the other side, which is that, well, you know, he had these and vicious ideas that he would be the peace maker. but if i keep pursued the opposite pauses, that's why i think that, you know, this what happens when he presents his piece plan, you know, i, you know, maybe he's going to, so that's it. okay, i'm going to pull the plug on ukraine, but he may go the other way and say, well i, i presented this beast blank. russia didn't, they didn't go for it. and so, you know, now's the time to escalate. but just to return to your point, i gave you the, the, the original jenise, joe will become genocide dong in no time. the toilet gates. you will absolutely

be hit with the, with, with the responsibility for everything. every time somebody gets a show of every time you get a refugee camp that's destroyed every, every baby buns will be on the trunk. and if you don't let and the apple takes, you know, trumps of x ray as hey, that's a, that's a green light that i can do whatever i like. but then again, this will be on chrome and then and then what, what is going to is it is trump going to try to rein him in speech, tries to do that. the, of course, a game quotes on popularity. again, he can do it. i mean, he, you know, he can, he can absolutely, you know, they, it does have a mandate as he gets here just as on the, on the crazy to pursue a serious basement. he can absolutely. um then your pull that, you know, ready to get tough? well, imagine the yahoo question is, will he do it will, will he really bite the bullet and pursue that positive? i've never had a 1000000 of teddy. it's very interesting. and this time from now to the now the

ration day. um do you see that? um, uh, israel was escalating and, and demanding that the us go in and its defense fees will be in around because this is a very, very delicate time right now. um, these riley's are, are very keen political operators that i understand american politics very well. and this interest period, i think it's a very dangerous time right now. take on things this way. these are wrong parts of american politics, money to them. but i agree totally. and also agree that george, that there's no hope, i think that trump it'd be better in any way in resisting to gaza genocidal and stopping the golf. that turn aside which been american president could easily towards that wanted. i think it really to and from genocide joel to genocide on that, i still think it was right to punish the genocide us who were in office. right. it

was set to be punished. and next i maybe do have to punish trump if he can. but the issue is that you would talk about has to do with about this give or on, i think most applaud. and there is, of course, the sense that trump is supposed to set to met on yahoo that would do whatever you have to do. in essence, and that is where it is good, sees assessing coverage. going to attack yvonne again at this time, especially to go off the yvonne's nuclear installation. so at least the ones that can destroy, not all of them are easy targets. however, i think that is one flip side to this, which is i for you, you have to enter the, to the separate between easy giving the is a lease of window of opportunity and is the offering them u. s. support. because i think it's possible that the trump messages go in and to avoid you have to do, but don't count on us. and that would be very different message because looks a, is also a j

d branch was actually come out and said that the don't want to follow up with you for on, i'm paraphrasing, but it was pretty much that what you said. and that's the one thing that comes out of nowhere. trump is very nationalistic, i transaction, and he is stupid. i don't think he wants to be the next president who fights been in almost the waste football in the middle east on behalf of the is ladies. so that's, i think that gets complicated. that like i've read it to me it but george, you mean we've heard this before, 11 or mamma was coming into office. there was a, a bombing campaign in gaza and the incoming administration said, you know, do whatever you gotta do, but have it over before we come into office and day before it actually came to an end. there's, there was it, there were rumors that he's actually said the same thing, do what you have to do, but wrap it up before i come into office. i don't know if the as these rarely so care will bite and say, why would they care about what trump has to st george? well, the problem is was that will wrap it up before we come to bowers. i left point just

real wrapping up. i mean is, is this relative position to wrap it up because i don't think it is. i mean, i think it does really well in a position to wrap things up. it would have done it. i mean, a, the normal actually attempt. they'll that happy about the will that's been going on for a little than the yet. and then not able to wrap it up, which means that, you know, when, when trump comes in, it, that will still be ongoing. and then what does from do, you know, then again, you know, you cannot make an either the or continue with this. and therefore this is his genocide, the dog. and, or he can then try to, you know, essentially, um, you know, blanket bite the bullet and, and the stop and threatening to cover the lifts in the well, no, i'm on the zillow. sure you can do this. there's also this soon. as you mentioned, the uranium aspect to it that would now have the sub indictments of

people who are allegedly where, you know, on the phone, on the fascination plot, communities existing in the, in the files of to around to the killed trunk and, oh, drivers gonna go to the city take that seriously is, is this something that these going to add to this, you know, gaming, maybe he's going to be a very imaginative but the password is what's called in what am as old as the game is going to is that he does talk a good game and he makes also to a very, very sensible, rational um, you know, 1st steps towards a sense of a policy. and then he doesn't do it. i mean, it's a little bit of north korea. it is something, no other president there is a little made. this was a overtures you had these meetings um and with the north korean lead is and then nothing is just the regular destiny and died on the vine. so again, perfectly reasonable for him to be able to actually do something that you know about the, about the israel. and the stop the, you know, is really just sort of and, you know, essentially

a threatening black bailey. it's still a thing for the united states, but i mean, you know, human just simply not gonna be able to pursue live amended against genocide. dom, well, we're going to find out if trump learned anything from his 1st german in it and understand the failures of the by the ministration until the end gentleman, that's all the time we have on it. take my guess and assemble. and in budapest reports what i think our viewers for watching us here at our dc and next time, and remember across knuckles, the of the many places in the world where you can stay on the divide between the 2 oceans and over. you might not think kids, one of them is hey, english is northern, are found guest vision and the 2 knows that us national park. and today's we know the was a stuff was the from taking

a deep side interest which be facing the across the headlines. you run off the international and rupture. continue is making strides across the ukraine conflict. moving to cut off a key supply hub for key ups. forces products as of russian troops, helping locals to evacuate to succeed. they told me they had to evacuate and said, i will pray for them and their families for the rest of my life, forgetting us out of their for saving. so this is kirsten. this is that i had to ship capital vaguely in noble times. this was a bustling place, a community full of people shops, a cafe restaurants, and now for the fall, 6 weeks, it'd been subjected to the most intensities righty, bump, baldwin all to getting access.