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impositions or without any strange uh, policy like saying insurance against our friend for these we need like anything we need to pay 2 or 3 times the price of gas or a or energy for this well, last oh for this news, as always is great to have your company here on odds. he doesn't get new to get all the latest news updates on our website on the, on the welcome to cross that google into were all things considered on people about being coming. trump administration is set to inherit a form policy mess of epic proportions because like the new crane in the genocide

and palestine conventionally to will the binding team intentionally make things worse to discuss these issues and more, i'm joined by my guess george, send me wiley in budapest, he's a pod cast or the goggle, which can be found on youtube and locals, and assemble. we have teddy cuz the real a model is a historian and political commentator. right, gentlemen, crossed up rules and effect, that means you can jump me anytime you want. and i always appreciate it. all right, let's start off with george in budapest. i'm sure donald trump is very pleased with himself. his supporters are so pleased with himself, probably that just about at this point here. but george, he inherits a farm policy catastrophe in many ways. okay. so we did very likely, within a couple of months he will be called the genocide donald. um, uh, he's a man, they can't in wars. and what the, what the, the way that could happen is if the vitamin ministration sets a mine field in front of them, we have to remember the obama. people did that to drum when he was coming into

office in january of 2017. they know how to do it, they know how to make things worse. if they can't, when they're going to make sure donald trump can't win either george, your thoughts? i agree with you being so i think this is the most dangerous moment with 2 months to go before he um uh, takes the owes of office. um we already read in the previous months that like uh, i would go and buy them. the ministration is going to trump proof a number of its policies. and what is going to trump prove other policies um, in the middle east and the policies in ukraine, in the ukraine war is really to bind the ministrations baby. i mean, this is, this is a, this is, it's, it's signature policy there. so it's not just going to allow a trump to walk in and say, like, i'm just gonna bring this to an end and then i'll do the peacemaker. and then you know,

with my nobel peace prize please. and so they going to make things as difficult as possible, which means that i think they go to try to escalate thing the already have. you will already had stories that the by and has the signed off on one percent on most similar is in the american bosner is in ukraine. but that's where we've already known that are america. most of it is essentially means the united states is going to send most, and there is another one. this is going to be an actual policy of getting as many of x. yeah, so it was month into ukraine as possible. and i think the next step will be that they will take off or restrains on the use of uh, long distance and they size a uh in, in you crate it, resolving trunk can do about it. um and as you mentioned about, um, uh, obama and his outgoing days. um there was something trunk could do. he basically will tumble, set in motion the rest of the gate by,

by making all these ridiculous allegations about, um, uh, russia heading in to see it in the us selection and then expelling russian diplomats and um, seizing russian consulate and imposing sanctions. which means that trump's hands were tied almost from the beginning. if he, if he follows the true, then it's uh then relations are very bad. if it goes against the, you know, actually denies this, then he seems very weak and this will be prove that he's a russian agent. something like this is going to be in the woods here. these people are very, very devious and nice. they kind of goes focusing on the plan is george has here. um escalation is the only way forward for the bite and administration because then essentially then it isn't admitting defeat, which it does not want to do. and that is a kind of a bi partisan thing. we of course it is a biking is war. but what i personally kind of extrapolating from what george said is that you know more long range missiles um of the more leeway for the,

for they were originally human in kids to, um, um, ingratiate itself, to nato howards, etc, etc. and truck will just be in a situation or a be once a day of school, like he looks week. it looks like he's perkins carpet. i mean, there's the binding ministration can make this really, really part you know, dot com. i think i'd agree with both of you on large define that mean this tracy and the deep state elements that the but my lawyer to it and the media that to remain lawyer to, to try to to i agree but i would take a step back and ask about how much they can do and that i'd, i'd be more cautious. but i think the trunk isn't a much stronger position than your boss. and as for us to trust the for you has now video of a powerful mandate. he may get to try for the humidity of it without the respect to

me. he has no power right now. he has the prestige. okay. he got into how he can not tell the vitamin. okay. who the hell do anything until i come into power 8 the that's, that's what i was going to address next. what kind of binding is does really still do? that's the question we have to ask, and we can talk about mercenaries and we can talk about language besides twice. but you know what both of us and mom game changes. we have known this for a long time. and the only saying that both of them would produce is more rushing hospitalization against ukraine, and probably even more or less than military advances. so it's not like suddenly the bite in this does have says magic wand is rich the can defeat device. so as if another little, but i think that was the point there was, i, i think you're all that's really in agreement because what i think that in the waning days of this administration, i'm directing this to george right now is

a defeat is inevitable, but it will be trumps feet, not bibles feed, that's what they want to do. i, i agree peter. and i think this is what's so important here. what to the a bite, the ministration people really want is that this will is going to be wrapped around the trunk neck. on january the 20th, within 2 hours of trauma stating that those of others, everyone is going to turn on trump as a. this is your wor, this is look, look, all these terrible things that are going on, this is on you and, and, and this is the trunk will be that a very much box them because if you know, i, i think he will try to book full with some kind of a piece plan, i mean, the been all these base plans that have been floated in the media and, you know, we were getting the, sort of the outlines of it, which is everything freezing the frozen in place. and then we get this, the 800 mile demilitarized zone,

which will be man's or by the european noise made. so countries a service man which seems as if it doesn't sound like a very good people, a tool and then um, and then suppose that they will then the question of the nato membership of ukraine will be put off for 20 years. now, if that is roughly what trump is thinking, then i don't think is of it or it's a go, because i don't think there's anything really here that will particularly appeal to rush up. there's nothing here to which will appeal to ukraine. now, the question is, what, what does come do then? i mean, if, if he busts, what would this be? his plan? there are no, it's a, it goes, what does he do then? and i think great danger. there is a, i don't, you know, he's going to escalate you. then he will essentially go, okay, well then, you know, i did then my best i booked this for what i'm going to see. and gonna essentially go back to the drawing board. oh, well,

let's see if we can escalate. that's likely to bring the russians to the ocean. i think they will. so i think that somehow because this piece glad i think is the, is that the it doesn't fly, then we're all going to be back on the escalation. we are going to be back on. this will be absolutely blamed on trump and truck forcing cause an emissions domestic agenda is going to be a very unpopular president very, very quickly. i think i think that george, no, i said good. something or device will be sending a theory of the case. i don't think it's george theories. okay, good. but, but i, i disagree with the theory entirely, frankly. i the degree of, of support that this type of piece plan that we have been feeling leaks about. like to fact to a made to piece, keep us from europe, not from america plus 20 years, some, all that stuff. that's all good shit. i totally agree. unable and fly. be know that . but i disagree with what happens next, because i don't, st. trumpet escalate and ukraine?

absolutely not. this would only happen if drying, pencil before and policy basic, get to my tongue pale, and doesn't neal costs that remains to be seen. i think from anywhere is much keen on being aggressive towards china. and as it trump has internalized the idea that if anybody gets to escalate and ukraine it can, it's a you pins. so if drums please glen for this, i think the next step from the trump administration would be to say, you know, up process to know what to london. you know what brought it and you'll know about boss. so you know what, politics? it's your baby now. and he would act to see if that embarrassment to them. and i have to come back to the fact that trump has been talking about ending to ukraine, bought in this election campaign. he has been quite volk for complained about that . so he knows he has back in for doing that. i really don't think tom sits the and i will use

a root expression is shifting his ponds about being burdened 50 feet in ukraine. i really don't think that's true. i don't seem to be boxed in in that way. that's a very interesting but george, i mean, again, you know, and we've heard this all are like, you know, who los china, who lost russia, who lost ukraine. and that, that's going to be very powerful. and, and, you know, even though his mandate is a, is a clear and um, you know, what does it mean to landslide victory for him? um, this is gonna be uh, a brick wall that he's going to hit, you know, t. well, he gave up the russians one, etc. nato's at stake. now, this is what he wanted to do, destroy nato. we could see we could easily go on what they're going to, um, uh, a pain came with okay, didn't matter anymore. that's read through the narratives, the metal floor rate to my adults. but does it matter any more that so we can just adjust the charges,

the intelligence community matter as well as soon as they do. and i think that, i mean, i think don't to reach the raising of a very good point. i mean, he, you know, he's the says, you know, look in trump on live in this while he doesn't see russia as an enemy. but as the people around trunk of easy media, circle one to end this war, that makes sense. but then yeah, you, you still got late intelligence and the security app are you still got the, the whole got uh, washington the national security bubble. and they are going to absolutely resist this policy. and, and, and is this like, the, the, you know, there is the question of who lost the ukraine. i mean, he, you know, basically, if, if he just does, does this, you know, the, you know, and get, it gives up on the ukraine. and so says hey, okay, well this, this, this will, is lost, the repercussions are, are enormous. i mean, the repercussions will nato, the re book actions for of foot. so the whole transatlantic alliance will be in,

you know, was trouble. and then we can go ahead and find this stuff we have to think of that, you know, is trump such a bold, imaginative person will say, okay, yeah, i want to completely transform of the, the geo political scene. you know, it doesn't, there's not, there's no evidence of that, but the trump does indeed one of the big these very bold, those that, you know, you know, we, we saw him and during his without. okay, i'd have seen him have done been here gentlemen. we have to go to a hard break, and after that hard break, we'll continue our discussion on so real minute stay with our to the, the, the,

the ultimate, the prospect boulevard. john peter, a little here were discussing some real news. george, you build up a lot of steam at the, in the end of the 1st block there, i want you to let the rest of it out. go ahead. well, i think with the truck, you know, is it showed, i mean, well, you know, when he was at his boldest and most imaginative which was in 2015, 2016. he really didn't do very much. now we can say, oh, well, that was then he's going to do some of those things differently. this time that he will undertake this uh, the bold, imaginative steps may be, but he hasn't given an indication of an elvis during this campaign. he's an adult in very, very vague terms about all of that well will the will, when you agree, and that wouldn't happen if i being president. and so he's good with no indications that he is ready, essentially to re think the entire late, those structure the entire trans atlantic islands,

which is clearly it does need re thinking it does need to be dismantled. but trump doesn't get it given any sign him. but that's where he wants to go. i think he just thinks that he g as it is, is personality is a, is a bali is, can just simply buying heads together and get a deal. donald really looked at building his thoughts through what, um, how you do this and, and the, you know, and, you know, when the realize it or just of the implications of this. yeah, teddy, i mean we've all seen the leaks and obviously intentional leagues vis dribs and drabs and things. and i think all 3 of us would agree, it doesn't really make any sense because of the, the most important element that is missing is that, well, what did the russians actually think about it that's never taken into consideration? and if you, i think all 3 of us in our view are yours, no, they brush one security, it can only have piece of it has security. and that's something that's not part of the western. they can equation. as a matter of fact,

the bike administration's ultimate goal and it's last month and it's just to keep it going on. it's not to win. it's just to keep it going. and that is a winning risk to be involved in, in brussels. go ahead study. no, i mean can i say 2 things? look good so far. i agree, the fuels that trump is in danger of being the target also who loves to credit in narrative. but don't forget american politics also have some narratives to about who brought us into. and they can be quite powerful. if you think about the vietnam war diag, it's an open question to me about small power for you who lost written out all who got as a, to vietnam. actually, if you think about transfers to that smelled over look that he actually did make the decisions that led to a band and means the of context on for right. if was done, then later in the catastrophic fashion, the, by the but trump actually paid to wait for that. so be had a little bit of

a precedent for him being capable of not simply being a slave to what people leave behind to in the, as i said, once again is i think he's much less afraid of, of the republicans now, the sort of international is between of the republican party has been destroyed. this is very important. is less afraid of the media is less afraid of the other branches of government even actually shapes the to disagree at once again, any help. we could don't seem to be, can come through what you did to my surprise, we can conclude from what you did in his 1st time to the 2nd. although i agree with george, that'd be also have very little to go by vanity. try to guess bought people to in the 2nd or ever one thing i would i do. it's not going to be very similar to them, but i think it would be very different. i. we were all agreement that joyce,

also the issue of, of what's going on in, in gaza palestine and to extrapolate out in ran. and this is something that, um, you know, we, we, we were led to believe. i assume it's true that the net and you have a government is over joy and having donald trump return to the white house. now we, we will find out one day to what degree, the anti genocide, pro palestinian, whatever you want to call it, the voters impacted the election. i think it did it. what was it meaningful? was the determinant of i don't know um, but that's on the agenda. that, that, that is a reg line for many, many people, the majority of people, the death on the, in the democratic party, up also a large percentage and the republican party call it for what it is. it's a genocide, like i said, in the beginning of the program genocide, joe can easily turn into genocide donald george. but i guess i can just take the

address a couple of those things that them. but the reset 1st is true that the trump said in train the, the biden's exit from i've got a song, but the fact is, trump didn't follow through on that. it's a getting trump add these, you know, piece, making impulses. but they didn't follow through. he also said he was gonna withdraw from syria. he didn't fall as early as 5 today, and he bumps up and then and on ukraine. he went and did something that obama didn't want to do. he started sending lethal weapons to ukraine, so you got to set that up on the other side, which is that, well, you know, he had these and vicious ideas that he would be the peace maker. but if i see pursued the opposite pauses, that's why i think that, you know, this what happens when he presents his piece plan and, you know, i, you know, maybe he's gonna still use it. okay. i'm going to pull the plug on ukraine, but he may go the other way and say, well i, i presented this beast blank. russia didn't, they didn't go for it. and so,

you know, now's the time to escalate. but just to return to your point, i gave you the, the victim of genesis. joe will become genocide, dong in no time. the toilet gates. he will absolutely be hit with the, with, with the responsibility for everything. every time somebody gets a show of every time you get a refugee camps, it's destroyed every, every baby buns will be on the trunk. and if you don't let and the apple takes, you know, trumps of x ray as hey, that's a, that's a green light that i can do whatever i like. but then again, this will be on chrome. and then, and then what, what is going to do is it is trump going to try to rein him in speech and tries to do that. the, of course, a game quotes on popularity. again, you can do it. i mean, he, you know, he can, he can absolutely, you know, they, he does have a mandate as he can here just as on the, on the crazy to pursue a serious basement. he can absolutely. and then you're pull that, you know,

ready to get tough one image and yahoo wish it as will he do it will, will he really bite the bullet and pursue that positive? i have a 1000000 cutting thing. it's very interesting. and this time from now to the now the ration day. um, do you see that? um uh, israel was escalating and demanding that the us go in and in its defense visa be in around because this is a very, very delicate time right now. um, these railways are, are, are, are very keen political operators that i understand american politics very well and this interest period. i think it's a very dangerous time right now, tony, on things this way, these are wrong parts of american politics. why does it um, but i agree totally. and i also agree with george that there is no hope. i think that trump, it'd be better in any way in resisting to god's genocidal and stopping the golf.

that genocide which been american president could easily towards that wanted. i think it really to and from genocide joel to genocide on a i still think it was right to punish the genocide us who were in office. right. it was that turn to be punished, and next i maybe do have to punish trump config can. but the issue is that you would talk about has to do with about the difficulty wrong. i think most applaud. and there is, of course, the sense that trump is supposed to set to met on yahoo that would do whatever you have to do in essence. and that is where it is good, sees assess encouragement to attack yvonne again at this time, especially to go off the yvonne's nuclear installation. so at least the ones that can destroy, not all of them are easy targets. however, i think that is one flip side to this, which is i for you, you have to enter the, to the separate between easy giving the is, where is the window of opportunity and it's the offering them

u. s. support. because i think it's possible that the trump messages go in and to avoid you have to do, but don't count on us. and that would be very different message because looks a is also a j d branch was actually come out and said, you don't want to blow up if you are on, i'm paraphrasing, but it was pretty much that what you said. and that's one thing that comes out of nowhere. trump is very nationalistic, i transaction, and he is in stupid. i don't think he wants to be the next president for 5 spent in almost the waste football in the middle east on behalf of the is radius. so the access thing, but it gets complicated that like i read it to me it, it, but george, i mean we've heard this before when or bama was coming into office. there was a, a bombing campaign in gaza and the incoming administration said, you know, do whatever you gotta do, but have it over before we come into office and day before it actually came to an end. there's, there was it, there were rumors that he's actually said the same thing, do what you have to do,

but wrap it up before i come into office. i don't know if the as these rarely so care will bite and say, why would they care about what trump has to st george? well, the problem is with that, well wrap it up before we come to power. as i left point road wrapping up, i mean is, is this rarely in a position to wrap it up because i don't think it is. i mean, i think it does really well in a position to wrap things up. it would have done it. i mean a, the normal, i'm sure the attempt is all that happy about the wall that's been going on for more than the year and then not able to wrap it up. which means that, you know, when, when trump comes in, that will still be ongoing. and then what does from do, you know, then again, you know, you cannot make them either, you know, continue with this. and therefore this is, he is genocide, the dom. and or he can then try to, you know, essentially um your bike bite the bullet and stop and threatening to come to me.

it's in the well, so i'm on the show. you can do this. there's also this service, you mentioned the uranium aspect to it that would now have the southern indictments of people who are allegedly where, you know, on the fascination plot communities existing in the, in the files of to around to the killed trunk. and oh, probably gonna go to the city, take that seriously. is this something that these go to actually to see, you know, gaming, maybe he's going to be a very imaginative but the password was called. and when we saw this, the game is going to is that he does talk a good game and he makes also to very, very sensible, rational. um, you know, 1st steps towards a sense of a policy. and then he doesn't do it. i mean it's a little bit of north korea. it is something, no other president there is a little made. this was a overtures you had these meetings um and with the north korean lead is and then

nothing is just regular. just the died on the vine. so again, perfectly reasonable for him to be able to actually do something that you know about the, about the israel. and the stop, the, you know, is really just sort of and you know, essentially a threatening black bailey extolled thing from the united states. but i mean, you know, human just simply not gonna be able to pursue, let them under the guns genocide don't. well, we're going to find out if trump learned anything from his 1st german in it and understand the failures of the by the ministration until the end gentleman, that's all the time we have on and thank my yes and assemble and in budapest, reports want to thank our viewers for watching us here at our dc and next time, and remember across knuckles the

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