the, the, the, [000:00:00;00] the hello and welcome to cross stock were all things are considered on peter level. many of called the recent presidential cycle, a change election. this is probably true, but will this include american foreign policy? donald trump has a mandate to pursue change. he will have the power to change course. will we opt for continuity instead? the

cross fucking trump, i'm joined by my guess. chris hedges in princeton. he is a pulitzer prize winning journalist and author, and in rome we cross allister crook. he is a former british diplomat or i told him cross black rules and in fact that means it can jump any time you want. and i always appreciated, chris, let me start out with you. but the title of this program is change for continuity. now i think it's largely agreed, the trump has a mandate, i think like the rest of us were very surprised by the margins. but will this mandate be extended into foreign policy? you know, we have a lot of ideas about what trump thinks about things. nothing really solid, i guess that applies to the 1st administration to but recent appointments, potential positions in his administration indicate a lot more. continuity to me then change what your thoughts go ahead, chris. it depends on the region of the world. i think these are the ukraine. you

will see a reticence on the part of the trumpet administration to continue a funneling weapons to the training and government. and perhaps see some kind of solution of the war. which of course, could have been done before the war, which was an exchange of land for peace. in terms of the middle east, it will be complete continuity, and perhaps even more aggressive nes, remember, trump move the american embassy from tell a leave to jerusalem. he recognized it as real sovereignty over the occupied goal on heights. there is a heavy push within the ducting, yahoo government to annex the west bank. certainly nothing will change in gaza. makes no difference if you're palestinian guys or whether it's binding or trump, or harris or anyone else. but i think we could see a more aggressive pastor in the west bank is real. of course is applying its genocidal tactics with increasing frequency in the west bank. it is carried out the

largest land seizure since october 7th that we've seen in the west bank since the occupation. um, so that would be the difference. uh, i will say this on trump's behalf, another trump supporter. but he doesn't seem to like where the democratic party is clearly the war party in this country. yes, it did. i agree with you. i don't know how he's going to square the circle on that when you're essentially the same question to allister and do with the added question at the end. when will trump get tired of dislike the slogan? genocide don, i was suppose to like, like to say i agree with your cautious bus comes actually we don't know who's going to be in the team. there's a lot of disruptive propaganda going on with many of the neo cons, lobbying and trying to get themselves either into the transition or into the

cabinet. and we've seen that we've completely bogus attempts to say that it was a telephone call between trump for president putin a just recently. and it was just whole site completely untrue, even though it was in the washington post with those who were privy to the call said this, so that was just true. so i think we have to be a little cautious. but broadly a, i agree with what chris, hey, just just said in that, but i think when it comes to you crate it, it's going to be different from other parts department policy. one reason is because a really a rush or is in the driving seat on ukraine. i mean, the war is actually one, it's 6 celebrating now in that direction. and i think that really there is a very much a washington couldn't put into the pot if it didn't like if it was and said,

for example, no, i'm sorry, i'm no one tennessee spar. i'm wanting a permanent solution and i'm going to go for a permanent solution. so what is working to going to do? i mean it's, it's largely expended all of its possibilities on that. so i think that is easy or a few like i think the most difficult one will be um, actually with israel because israel, i mean the festival of president doesn't have as much room for maneuver any president of the us. because as you know, you know, congress is both the stuck and or a bite is the lobby, and therefore he doesn't have that much room for me. but i think he wants to be a friend of israel. but the consequences of that may be very great. my guess is he probably doesn't want, he probably doesn't want trouble in the middle of the well, i mean, yeah,

but allister, does he want to have a biden's legacy when it comes to israel, palestine, and, you know, we, we, everybody can have their own thoughts about donald trump, i have my own, but he wants to be loved in light. ok. being called genocide, done is not going to go down very well. let me go back to chris and princeton, chris, i mean, we have what 69 days left of the a by didn't ministration. what's the stop them from escalating when it comes to crate? i mean it's there war and, and, and so it will be donald trump's war. go ahead, chris. well, 1st of all, the americans are extremely polarized country and half of the country who's not neutral about donald trump. uh, they are are less than half full of certainly of the electric, but he's used to being tarred and feathered rhetorically of not just by his opponents, but by mainstream media cnn the new york times where i used to work, etc. so being labeled genocide,

don rolls off of him when it comes from that other side of the divide, i think the most dangerous sort of con, potential concentration or is not just won't come out of your brain won't come out of the bar. it's me do, i mean they've given crane just about everything you can give them. but i think that the danger it will be a push by net and yahoo to insight a war with a rat. right. and using this interim period, a probably because by and will be watching away to by the administration of that, i sink and there is potential, there certainly is nothing yahoo, the government wants a conflict with around the united states does not want to conflict in iran or with iran, but if there is a mass of attack, we don't know how to err on is going to respond, especially with significant civilian casualties. and as alice to correctly points out to us,

congress has been bought and paid for by the israel lobby. and then i think that's, that's a bigger danger than anything happening and you crank, well, i mean there is a reason, right? let's go go to allister, now, in rome. i mean, the reason why i bring up the escalation is that escalation in both of these crisis areas, ukraine and in israel, palestine they what, what they, by the administration and it's waiting days we want to do is create political facts on the ground, essentially delivering their foreign policy to donald trump in his beam with even fewer options. allister as well, yes, it can be escalation, ukraine, but i think that will be managed by most go quite adequately. the middle east is different. it's much more dangerous and it could easily settle something. my try to just to be clear on the z is riley government expects, and this us kittens for from to accept the i makes ation moves of westbank

garza and they've sense and then box it up to the united states who is a set to a zealous and who's been living in hebron during cyprus, quite kid, and people like small traits, think it's a done deal. but the main thing, it's that i think the, what you could easily see for ms route would be them to declare victory and 11 and then then garza and send say to trump, now we need you to come and support us. and i've tried calling me wrong, and that's why i think you're going to see in this period a had the wrong that is going to attack israel 1st. and iran is going to do that because the most important thing now, because it, it's really for reading the same problem we saw with, with, with a, the, a, a, with, with ukraine, where the west says, russia, it's own, it's nice, it's troops are not trained. they don't even have food. they've got no, i me

a nation. the come on this terrible. and they say no, the same about iraq. iran, we just destroyed or it's the defenses. we got made students ability to make ms. so it's really no late kit before us. we go in where we like nothing could be further from the truth. in fact, best attempt to take out the air defenses was a complete failure. they have not damage any of the what they call the mixes. those mixes were moved during is have told me these periods is president into the big mountain since they're immune from that. so i, i, it's all being set up for the idea of the america that can be pulled in to the school. and i, i think this is going to be dangerous. and which is why, or iran needs to establish just as rush it in to the united states,

that it is military capable. it has real, the parents. it has the ability to hook israel very seriously and body. if you want to go down and prove, they've tried to show it twice. i'm still a narrative comes around and goes the other way. oh no. iran is just lying naked before us. now's the time we can destroy the, the new, the new kid capacity. that's nonsense, they wouldn't have that. and they might turn out to be a very ugly engagement indeed. but i think there is a prospect that we might get pulled into that because yes, i think there is support in the united states and support even amongst those that he seems to be nominated thing to his team for a while we're there are, it seems that there is a faction in washington that once a will come to richmond. so chris, i want to ask you the same thing, but in the 2nd part of the program, but it has always,

it looks like personnel is policy. can you quickly comment on that? before we go to the break. yeah, i'll allister is right. he is bringing in these rabid, neo cons who have long lost in for a conflict with iran's, um, and uh, and i, and i would, uh, 2nd, dallas sters warning this potential interim period is extremely dangerous. because they essentially, by the time, if a war began with a ran trump with inherited, there's not much, well, that would be the best. that would be the very point. that's the strategy i'm here gentlemen, i'm going to jump in here. we're going to go to a short break, and after that short break, we'll continue our discussion on terms foreign policy. stay with our team. the developing wall claimed and ruined the lines of tens of thousands, but it was the hague tribunal, with delta finishing flow to the subs. less on,

expand on, you know, it was that i will talk to him. all of that will cause up the curious. i mean them was that the rest of us done or some which and the funding that has made them, i guess i need. okay, up on these, you're about to so mutual blood that's through the cause of that. doing any cook of soul tie it up table. uh it comes in built around 12 on team so, so this would eventually go for something to bit. jamie stuff says i've done this for the bus. they have to go into the stuff as i said this. so now click on nice to promo the problem. first i noticed was that some of the many places in the world's way to say, oh, on the divide between the 2 oceans and all the might not seen kids. one of them is

hey, english is northern, are found guest vision in the you know, is that us national park. and today's, we know the software systems taking a deep side into some beach because system the welcome back across the top where all things are considered on peter lavelle to remind you we're discussing the potential trump form policy. the . let's go back to chris and prince, and i'd like you to follow up on what alice or had to say about the potential of a regional clearing up with the conflict in west asia, the greater middle east. so whoever he wants to describe it, but it seems to me that this is a way as alice are described as a way to trip abide. i'm sorry, the new trump administration into having a continuity of policy. the not allowing him to have very many choices here. and

then also comment is that the strategy of bringing of having a conflict. israel, initiating a conflict with around also is an indirect, a conflict with russia. and that is something they divide. ministration will certainly want to continue to test. go ahead, chris. yes, i mean, the allister of reiterated the kind of arguments that are used to go after iran. we heard those arguments to justify the same kinds of arguments to justify the invasion and occupation the rack, which did not go particularly well for the united states. indeed was catastrophic, like afghanistan, and syria and libya and everything else. um, the fact is the air defenses of around uh, some of which are russians, some of which are chinese are quite good. uh, the rainy and air force is quite decrepit, many of its more plains date back to the shop. but the air defenses are good and uh,

the israelis want the united states to take out the air defenses because they don't want to take the losses. uh, it would obviously start out as an aerial campaign. wherever we go from there. i don't know if it doesn't go well, there would be pressure to put troops on the ground logistically. how would that happen? again? i can see it coming in through your rack. maybe they can plow their way through the siri of those would not be as rarely troops, by the way, i mean, they're just so many potentials. i mean, you know, i think the ability to speak an aircraft carrier is very possible. that's 5000 us lives. so the, this, i mean, i covered war for 20 years and once you open that pandora's box, it controls you, you don't control it. so yes, this is a very dangerous moment. i don't think it would go well for the united states at all. um, it would be another war of attrition. we have to look also 11 on things are not

going well for the israelis and 11 on reports of over 4000 casualties out of lebanon. oh wow. um and they have not moved. uh they, they've, they've, uh, they've been stymied of course their responses, but their response always is which is satcher ition bombing out. and just to go back to something allister mentioned the. ready which i left out, that's important news that yes, they want to annex the west bank, but they also want to annex gaza. they largely are achieving that in northern gaza . they want to create a humanitarian crisis that is a such catastrophic proportions in the southern god. god that they believe the israel isn't that will put pressure on the international community to essentially d populate, are asked equally plans, southern guns. so that's the plan. i don't know whether it's going to work. i've just been an egypt. it's so my understanding is the judge and military has made it very clear to presidency, saying that there will be no palestinians in the sign i as is real, would like and as,

as our secretary of state and to the blake and proposed to the c. c. government, the inter damian's have moved their troops up to the borders of the west bank because again, an anticipation of a massive ethnic cleansing campaign to push palestinians into jordan as a very, very volatile moments. and i, i am not as worried about the frame because honestly, i don't see what else the united states can do for you. yes, you have a tax with in russia itself. um, but i think the volatile area right now is the middle east. so i, i agree with you completely, but, you know, but my faces has always been, it's, it's, is nato willing to give up. it's not necessarily a r u. s. president, or whoever is in power in care of. so i think that still remains to be a wild card, but i obviously agree with the what's going on in the middle east is much more volatile. i was sure that, you know, considering our conversation here, you know,

we're looking at an administration going out and a new one coming in. but considering we've already said here, doesn't really matter who the president of united states is with us. i think the, because i do say here, that would be a possibility. first of all the what, when, when it started launched its attack, which is great fun, but you know, they want to know what's in the middle. come as a huge surprise. they'll be show and then fact there, uh cross level versus 70 kilometers to the uranium space. and then we saw and we heard on the hebrew channels, they said, you know, some things going on weeks. part of that we're facing air defenses that are on know and unexpected. i'm. yes, they will probably the s 400 which was actually looking on even to the spells f,

35. so at 70 kilometers away from the aerospace survey shots they, they collapsed it and they came home. second, the 2nd wave which was supposed to follow the destruction of the defenses would come in and bought things heavily. it was canceled and pulled back. so i just want to say that, but i think, you know, to, it's the same thing with, with, in the way with russian. iran has been under siege, been attacked, has been sanction being threatened with bombings. busy or since really the, you know, kind of the c c 6 years ago. and, you know, it's only going to come to some form of settlement when we understand that iran has military capabilities that are serious and capable of establishing a power to within the region. and that we talk to them as

a few like someone on the top and someone who decides respect and then uses both scaling how, how was there, how do we get there? i mean, you've already said both of you who've already said, well, you know, we're, capitol hill is, is, is really occupied territory. i mean, i agree, you're absolutely right. that's the way to go. but how do we get there? what i think you're going to see, because i think what's going to come fairly shortly is a, in a much more demonstrative attack on israel buyer on which way ready. i mean, i think you know, anyone else to this will not really beasley, they know that they have to actually come and get the west to accept that they have really the parents. it's not the i cross the i agree with her saying yes so, but i mean, they have miss silos. they have a e, w, it's the latest russian

e w. they have s for hundreds that seem to be able to look on even the spells bancroft. you know, i'm not sure that america would really want to go into that sort of secured s space . even the itself. i mean, they, the, the question is do is take, can you humble design this project in the region? that's another question here. i don't think, but anyone has an answer for that, chris, it's already been mentioned on this program. it is really very strange story about the trump pollutant telephone call, which apparently never happened. but the way it was reported is very detailed what they, what they talked about, you know, the militarization of the conflict, the free and freezing of the conflict and 800 mile. um, uh, contact line, european troops to exec. i mean, this is a bit more amazing, a lot of detail for a conversation that didn't happen. what do you, how do you think this? what is the design here, chris? a well, it was

a leak by someone to discredit from that's an old story. with the whole trump as russian asset, which for 2 years the media saw completely improve cars, disapprove in by the fbi, i in the molar report. but that we're going to see a lot of that. so it's part of the disinformation campaign. uh that, uh there's, there's going back to the old playbook. okay, well, let's do the same thing. i mean, you and give a, you're a retired diplomat here. i mean, so we have to assume that the people in power right now are, are a, they're out of their, out of the gate and they're doing everything they can to sabotage the next president of united states. donald trump as well. that's cool. so, i mean, as chris says, the united states is depo, the rise, and one half of the population would love to sabotage drugs initiative. but i do think, can i go back to this, you know,

i know what he's road is going to awesome. but is from going to do it. yeah, i don't know where he is going to. he may actually not to what met from the how one some thinks he's going to do. because actually my reading all of this is he has a huge agenda that says the most to kick in, changing the economy completely away from a very and likes this quote, the economy to one which is based on tariffs and lower taxes. i mean, it's a huge project to try and reinstate all us and do a little sort of income on about gender, about sense issue. you know, i, i, this, i think is that's why i'm not sure that he really wants to be completely sort of brought into the mess with nothing. yahoo is setting up for himself at this stage because he needs a bit of time to get all this going and get it started. and we'll just spend his

time worrying about what's happening in garza run level. but i mean, you know, he is, he will support his road. of course. well, he'll have 18 months if he's lucky to get his agenda across the board. that remains to be seen chris, one year from now. what do you think will be saying about the trump administration's foreign policy as well? that it's very impulsive try. driven by trumps a very material nature. i just want to throw in the car, add to something that allister said it is true that they probably don't want to war with the ram, but not as a binding ministration. not it is a panic. there is long been reticence, especially within the panel, gone to a conflict with iran, but facts on the ground, the mat if, if tear on carries out a significant attack and there are significant civilian casualties. we could get dragged in. but i think that reticence is not only within the trump administration,

it's wednesday, within the entire american foreign policy and military establishment. what will we be saying? well, the difference between a 2nd trump administration and a 1st trump administration, is that this time is the neo cons or whatever you want to call them the christian, right? they're ready in a way that they weren't before there's a preparation for power. of course, the heritage 2020. i don't know. okay. and chris is that a good thing or a bad thing? i mean they gave me, but as i read in, i think it's a bad thing. i uh uh, but uh i, i don't think it'll be quite as chaotic as the 1st administration in there or probably more effective. well, it's in terms of implementing their agenda. let's just hope gentlemen, thank you for a fascinating discussion and what i think my guess in princeton and enrolment. of course, i want to thank our viewers for watching us here at r t c. and next time,

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