says rule to enforce the mega award against the southern african country. the roots of the case state box 3 decades. when you are pin firms that have operated in the region since colonial tonnes began buying a forest and farm land ins and bob wait 10 years old, the government launched a london reform plan to return ownership to the indigenous population and the europeans took them to court the r r a agreed to let the washington based world bank arbitrate to dispute. after years of legal proceedings, the institution ruled against the government had imposed a multi $1000000.00 reward. the judges in washington denied, as in bob ways, appeal finding that had, had waived sovereign immunity in london investment deals. know the southern african states insist that the c court does not have the necessary jurisdiction scholar cuz i the pc of the university of thomas for believes us intimidation, plays

a role in what the us government proof actually is. and through other means there's 5 to 4th is in, baldwin government and designed by with people to compensate these farmers. not only for what damages or of the developments on the land for the lends itself. so when did you pay for the land? they are land, this is where the distance that's it for the one thing is always been interested because it is part of the sanctions amazes. it was by the u. s. that stays in bubble cannot access any kind of a candle file, financial aid for the item if or from the work big. so maybe that's why they included the what been given the questions now with a new world order taking shape wills, those who prop off the current unit allow for the system go quietly into the night a will there be an adverse ultimately $64.00 decks, and the latest worlds apart,

the hello and welcome to wells a part global politics has never been particularly orderly, unpredictable, but the recent american elections found their aftermath are likely to add even more ramsey to the override the boiling geopolitical cauldron. as the united states gears up for another 4 years of the polarization of home count, the rest of the world draw closer. if nothing else than to protect itself from the outburst of the aging had jasmine of to discuss that on now joined by our ven group to director of the visa canada to national foundation in your daily mr. group. that is great to see your again, thank you very much for your time. now, you wrote the recently the, the cultures of the world,

and particularly our continental, if you raise your, have to prepare themselves for a flurry of blacks. one events in the coming months, given that we are recording this interview on the 1st morning after the american elections with donald trump already being announced as the 47th, the president of the united states. do you seeing one of those big dark birds has already landed this? i think of the work that you shouldn't assuming very fast. and we have a new, a new station. and as i said, the countries bought an ice. so we expect some major changes in the usa musicians, policies. there are 2 major wars which are going on at the word. we'll have to see how the dump but we station would react to. and then of course, the major of the problems that were in terms of climate change, for instance, from earlier was the not in favor of pettus agreements,

etc. and we are going to have a call for $29.00 uh, within a few days in uh, a buckle, major decisions unexpected that so the american uh no position would be very important to the, in the context of climate change. then of course, a decent died word of you're seeing the a global economic situation is also very precarious. uh several, uh, no sanctions have been imposed. sanctions have been recognized. the international financial system has been recognized. and this has good, huge total interest in the world in the past, and that can use to, for the, the instabilities. so we'll have to see how the new invitation reactions that they might to let to them also is in limbo right now. it's in, i'm in, i'm talking on the you in the system, whether they would resume attempt to restore that. so as a, as you said, aging has him on the have some responsibility to give them. i'm bringing some order

to the board. oh, they claimed as responsibility or rather they claim that the power status, but i'm not sure they're putting a lot of effort into that. and the of the i also want to ask you about in this specific position, because i heard some of your indian colleagues say that is one of the very few countries in the world that doesn't really care whether it's come to a harris or donald trump, who moves into the white house because new dally will continue having a more or less golf course if relationship with washington. but i wonder if the us the more hostile us policy or visit the other countries would still affect india. i'll beat them directly as i think the assessment is based on the fact that was the last 20 years. they had been different and decisions in the us. and by and large, the tragically offering to us to initially ship has been upward. so it's in that context that people are saying that perhaps there is a fairly deep relationship between india and the us. so that might continue. but

now with this, uh, the, the specific issues on holidays reactor to job. these are very important and we'd love to see, so one can only to sanguine as to and what the particular relationship most. but yes, so there is a foundation and i want to experience of the last a musician dealing with trump. was the go to it was not about so we have to see how jump. $2.00 ships up hang was special about india is that it has been able, one of the very few countries that has been able to benefit from the animosity between russia and the west, both economically in terms of lower energy prices and also politically because i think both russian to west are still, you know, speaking uh good relationship with your country and that allows you more visibility and more influence on the international stage. do you think that's a special case or do you think india has indeed invented some sort of the recipe of

turning your political landlines into dilemma need? no, i didn't. i don't think there's anything really good, especially not a functioning. it's simply because india has gone into as a jupiter to come to the location which is very important. what's most important, i think it is the growth of the indian economy today. it is the, the 5th largest, the economy, and the word. and very soon, i think within a few months, perhaps it would be a total or district. going to meet the work plus the fact that the indian policy has been, uh, you know, dictated by is friendship to one of what's the difficult to look on. for instance, was the, the, the team of the team of $220.00, which means the word is one. and the in there does believe in that so, but in my position has been that of, uh, uh, inducement, particularly in the last 10 years or so. i would engage minutes with all parts of

the world is all countries have increased and more important. i think india has to do something to contribute. it's not simply a kicker. it is a baby off it's developmental experience, but we'll fix it. you minutes in the they're saying that digital space of today in the, is a bu, a, is in a position to shift a lot the we're doing for instance, and the go with the pin demick of and the vista and countries in the developed countries were holding vaccines in deal with shooting victims and they point okay. so in debt by its actions by inc and hosting judgment. i think a has a kind of showing that the engagement of india is not in the good for us, but also good for the work. let me bring in one more extra, which is china because over the last couple of months we've seen some uh, normalization uh, stuffs between new dell in beijing, their official side,

the 75 percent of the all standing border issues have been result. do you think the impetus to solve the remaining problems is higher or lower? now that trump is an office and what could the sort of more harmonious relationship? it's been china and in the mean for the region and for the world at large the, the, the, the has a little bit of gum. this, the can make it worse. i must say that this is often limited in nature. the indo china border issue is very complex. it's still under his old, this or nature to only very small part of the border and are related to some incident which took place on the board of the 2020. and to do what i feel, what they call the fiction point. i know we have a resort and they were different toning, had stopped. and there was some agreement between india and china. going back to ninety's ninety's. that was the kind of for

a while. now i think we are distorting that and so i'm going to, for, normally patrolling would begin. so it's really the 1st of that. but it allows you to show up and get you on the board to extend the answer to what we hope that the, the selection intention between india and china will benefit both india and china. as well as the reason who's more interested in the normalization of ties right now the reason i'm asking is because i have a sort of a cynical thought of the back of my mind that the chinese may be moving towards the reconciliation with india because they, they they predict, or they forecast the growing problems with the trump administration. when you see in, during china, uh, even before, uh, before 2020, we had some very good uh, meetings and discussions id informed to somebody to, to inform us. i'm going to go ahead. so both sides were interested in improving the relationship and know about 2020, disrupted that. i think

a probably really come back to that situation. very enduring. china would like to improve that issue. but having said that, i must also ad here that toby had this, the problem, but induction or treat was increasing. and w henry's, i think, something like $115000000000.00. but there was a one sided, and we had a trade in buttons. so for something about $18000000.00, which was very high and it was on sustainable now with the these, the, the, the, the one, the prints on the recent trip bost of these in 2 weeks would lead to addressing some of these issues which are long term destruction issues introductory, i notice that we will have to see now if we look at other countries in asia and in just present it to you, there's still a lot of instability here. bangladesh has just gone through major political collapse for long k is experiencing major economic crisis. myanmar is not stable.

and i've heard you say the people who were watching before watching your political trans rent. we're not able to predict any of those developments. what you're seeing is happening in asia with so many disturbances on the social or state level. oh dear, it's a very complex uh, the origin and many of these countries uh, over the last few years. uh, i think that they have gone into some difficult economic situation. the balance is, have changed, for instance, in the case of that on got it going, it or something like that, that it could not repeat and it goes into so much ditch simply because it's internal. economic situation was not good, doesn't hardly any production. there was a, depending on the, on some tourism, etc. but then there was also, i think that you open it because situation of the integration in saltisha. there is an integration economic integration. saltisha has not really taken place. and there

were many reasons for that. in the, it's a very big economy is normally she would have very close to the economics and the ownership of with the neighboring countries. but most of these countries was trading with outside world. and that, well, you know, with the degree they had to affordable. so the advantages and which really reflected in that into an economic development. that, of course, did you politics also meant the china as rise the way it has impacted the reason. and many of these countries that they want to keep the options between india and china open, etc. so that created some problems and that also i think inhibited throws economic ties between india and these countries. rebundle dish. we heard of course, a very good relationship with the last 15 years in the addition to ship to develop . but all this has now changed and i think they would have to know. we'd love to see how we can do a bundle issue to ship the progress is because in the last 15 years we didn't very

lot of connected with you. and which was a very important for both india and bung with dish. but no, again, we don't have a new situation. nobody coming off of the drum, but the new a new c since we look to see how their policy towards association developed. because uh, in the last administration, uh the, they were very unhappy with the, uh, the machine costing up the government. and bradley, uh, that also was one of the reasons. so how the developer mentioned bung with the shift to place. so it's a very fluid, the situation, and it's on so to institution and perhaps one of those, the blacks on see it on the well in the, quite a few of them, the bundle dish and dishes and go sit in the phones. nobody really sorry to coming and village, you expect more countries to exhibit the problems. as you say,

if you look at the social economic situation in a neighborhood, many of these countries are experiencing problems we're seeing focused on also under a huge date. also do a politics we're seeing of governance done to longer unbundle the issue mentioned while the service uh and a good example. all these up now doing the presidential election day and they took some of use of india out. so of course, boston distracted experiencing some uh, internet and economic development, and i'm glad that there's invoice visited into and now i think the industry ship is coming back on track. so there is a lot of the thinking that, that, that i would think the countries in our neighborhood will be doing when they drop and musician comes. so how they develop their conditions, which i know with the us of it. and so for them also, it's a complicated situation. well, mr. go up there. we have to take

a very short break right now, but we will be back in just a few moments stitching the the, the the welcome back to you was a part with our vend goofed, the director of the, the, with another to national foundation in your daily mr. clifton, before the break,

we were talking about so many blocks, one events in your, in our neighborhood. then i want to ask you a sort of general philosophical question because stability is not a very popular term. and joe political circles this, these countries tend to speak more about resilience, but ultimately it conveys the similar ability of the ability to withstand and effectively deal with multiple in old and new challenges. as well as to, you know, counter, sometimes malicious interference from a friendly places. what does it take in this day and age for a country into one team and foster its own resilience? i think the one is that uh uh, as you are heading uh, recently, just a few moments ago from your deputy. but i miss also that we need to build our internal strengths of. you should also put the focus

on our human resources, which means to education, through screening, etc. this is a word of what technology and the set and the technology goes or is it just solving these also very important. what happened is that in this world of globalization, very often the 10th of adult annoying sometimes are sort of i think it's really necessary that the countries should retain a certain strengths of each of them to protect their solar interest in different areas, technology, economy, etc. once you do that, then perhaps the inducement to do that. so the word is important. every country has some kind of history and somebody's go to an agriculture or somebody is go to and something is. and to talk to me and i just going to is i can do we have multiple students. so it's very important that we should be aware of this. and i think the case of, and i can also see that uh, is a donation on to 77 years old. but

a very on the end of it just civilization up and up, going back to some of our civilization and attributes, trying to look for ideas which have sustained us. one of the thousands of us are some of them, uh, the value today. and again, a very important to keep us the site is too good. if i don't let me ask you specifically about that, because india also is the world's most populous democracy. and i want to ask specifically about the relationship between the democratic politics and political instability because we, what we saw in the run up to the american elections, for example, to assassination attempts on the presidential candidate depot, or is ation hatred. almost hatred between the various sectors of society, people stopping up on arms, all of that is ultimately a consequence of the politicians allowing them allowing themselves to use extreme

emotions like hatred, anger, seer score and shame in order to advance the political goals. but uh, you know, there are deep consequences for the societies. when you do that, do you see a part of that instability that we have been discussing? and this, the sound of blacks ones may be related to the waging. the chronic politics has been practiced, not necessarily media, but more broadly around the, around the world. because this type of containing high peach, very emotional containing, seemed to be like something to emulate. that's part of the democratic practice these days. is it the whole proceed in the end it should be about ordering and others a different viewpoint. it's all very important. so the new form of democracy, the a good, a party award win. and they wouldn't be in opposition party,

but there would be some dialogue between the over some little bits of what i'm sorry, is that considered acceptable and the respectable? i suppose. so i think the respecting the other viewpoint is perhaps the fundamental attendant of for democratic functioning. so that is not the is not happening and i'm seeing and noticing america within so many other countries, political biden's is something that is that needs to be issued. and this is the time to think that this is not democracy. political violence is not the democracy. so i think the order of the values of uh, the bundling accommodation, going back to the basics of family or we getting and shedding. that doesn't mean that you want to leave or just as in your, on the way or for thinking. but that only means that you also have some respect to the other view. but i think this is what has to come in of the politics also. but

the domestic national politics would also in international politics. and that's why i think of the popularity of the ideas like the brakes. but as a b in dallas, a set of countries is coming together. and the only beings hopefully being dictated equally with respect to and trying to work together. you may not find the solutions of every single problem, some problems that sort of difficult, that the solutions and are very easy. but if you have this uh, at the attitude, often expecting diversity sort of splitting diversity, shouldn't become it best, did it in on this. and if it's gone or for a democratic functioning, but that is not happening now. it is intelligent demo, courtesy and in dollars, which is really an altima to insure happened that way. but that's how perhaps it's not genuine democracy. then the reason i'm asking is because i, i've been thinking about whether those labels of democracy versus a talk with

a little bit relevant in the coming years. because when we look at as, let's say, china and india competing for the leadership of the global south. i don't think, you know, all the countries are really making their decisions based on how india or china are structured internally. but the father on one of those countries can offer to, you know, that. so if parties partners to the developing world, certainly i think that's how it should be in the development. so we shouldn't leave to the, the, you know, those countries. and it certainly whole we but interact with each other. and whole, we contribute to common good. i know do, does all our problems, that's how i think go, it's a good one. democracy. you see what happens? is it anything when it becomes an identity, it becomes a problem. there is a difference between philosophy and identity and philosophy. re say that, okay, what's your view? this is my view that's have a discussion and this agree to disagree. but in our delta g,

this is your view. this is my view, but maybe it was superior and that's the problem. instruct. now speaking both india and china, both these countries have all to reach policies. that's trust. the relate goodness of all humanity. if the engine version is gold, i hope i pronounced that correctly unless the dive could to become which means the world is one family. well, the chinese talk about a community of common destiny. it sounds very similar, but i'm sure there must be some cultural differences. how do you understand those differences? well, as far as what's a difficult and book always concerned, it's a in children in philosophy coming from. i'm hoping to should, as you know, the, the, in the independent thinking that is a suffolk of the discourses called open assurance that 18 of them. so it's one of them. and it basically says that it's gone. somebody was rich, you're basically says that those who do not believe that word is

a family and believe that they are in the other there i think wrong. so this is basically what the, what's the company's that means you should do support it as a family up in shared community and which is the chinese, the thinking a truck? yes, i think uh if anything is similar, but uh, so long as so we'd love to see the politics behind us. so that's, i think good. there can be some differences. but there is no harm in talking about these inc. thank to find out what exactly mean you 1st i want dimensions. one more concept which i don't uh when the recently and this is god, one to a window comes from the south african nothing. and which means interconnectedness of the word and which sure is very similar to the also they look at the book on that we are talking about so so long as believe in interconnectedness in the word and also it don't want that thing. others ideas. so if i can say that i've also,

they've got to become, but it is my idea then it doesn't work. so i think, well, you have to not only praise but also practice and that's what they say. now both china and india have expressed a willingness to me, did the conflict in ukraine, and do you think that's just the alyssa discount or do you think there is some substance to it can one or perhaps both of them meaning fully contributed to some sort of the lasting fit a settlement between russia, ukraine, and hopefully the west as well. i think what it shows is that the, the word at large want this conflict to be 2nd. if maybe that is a ceasefire or something, you know, i'm not sure of russia essentially. yeah. i think by this is the point. the point is that none of this, when you look on this, the both sides of it or to the sides of graph over the 3 sites, or maybe more sites up here, i think up the issue is that the water is going on and there is a certain miniature dynamic, good to that,

and i'm sure those were involved. they would like to take note of that. so the rest of the or because of the collecting the damage or the, the consequences that the rest of the word is suffering. so they would like to at least to come in, but uh it is relevant to both sides of the street, then they can talk to each other. i don't think they really need that. he mediates as thoughtful, i mean, i personally feel that the enough experience in russia are okay in order to see and the results that are being ordered. and so any other issues, if it was the other day, they can probably talk. so it's okay. i mean, i think it's only in its own way the rest of the world is going rain to the park is enrolled in the water that there's going to be some supplementing the shortest. and finally, if i may ask you, i, you recently wrote an article on the changing nature of warfare and you make a point there that the, the long wars have returned and that they require significant efforts or ultimately

the restructuring of the economy of to ensure the availability of a munition, the world wasted share reserves, logistics, etc. i wonder if india reach has a reputation or at least some historical connection to the past isn't do you think your country will be more likely to invest in this join all tours, or is it more likely to invest in the efforts to prevent them? no, i think it has to look at its own security environment. and when we wrote that article, we were trying to study data, show clean water and the lessons the for the security community and for us. so it was in that context that uh, i wrote that article as in depth see just stuck best if there's a loan with not to take a 5 a there is something called indigenous and which it will have to be big and

a big country like india that's where the china or anybody is. they work on the digits. so that is the hard part. what is equally important, but hardware would combined with the soft color which is about visa. tetra was that they've got to become what it is when family is that there's no contradiction here . so i think you definitely have to validate the capabilities because we have seen when we did not have the capabilities we suffered. in other words, if you want a piece of prepare for not prepared for what, but to double a well, mr. groups to it's been great talking to you. thank you. thank you very much for that. thank you and thank you for watching hope to see her again. on was a part of the

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