crane and gathering funds for ukraine. others are saying that this may be a reaction after uh, zillow and ski slammed brazil's and china piece proposal on ukraine, which they made during the last session of the un general assembly back in september. but with the g 20 being an economic gathering, frankly, ukraine's economy doesn't really have a lot to offer. it does it? now, will that important on the other hand, wasn't invited. brazil is russia's ally within bricks b, b, b, a, who breaks the forth. but so the russian president decided not to come and send his foreign minister instead. and he explained this at the recent rick summit in cuz then saying that given the current political situation and political requirements coming here to the g 20 in brazil, we're just sabotage. the whole thing is still pretty squeezed, but we will understand what is happening around russia. i have excellent friendly relations with president lula. but if i go there, the normal work of the form will be disrupted. and even apart from the topic of the

i, c. c, everyone would only talk about my visit. why would we want to disrupt the g? 20 like the so exciting time to reorder as an arrow. and of course, as usual, i'll be making sure to bring you all the way this details here at our team. and that's the report now still with our team to national for all the latest i'm around the well, see you again with more stories, the top of the out by down the the

hello and welcome to cross that bull horns. were all things are considered on people of else? one of the most important victims of politics is personnel is policy. given donald trump's growing list of unorthodox appointments is difficult to discern what foreign policy his administration will pursue, change or continuity, discuss these issues and more. i'm joined by my guest, george samuel, we in buddha, betsy's a broadcast where the goggles, which we've found on youtube and locals. and here in moscow across to dmitri bob image, he is deputy board editor, right, comfortable sky from the daily. or i generally cross the girls that it back. that means you can jump any time you want that. i always appreciate it. okay, well, take it off with georgia in budapest, you know, general and i was thinking about, you know, how long we've been talking about donald trump. and i think it would be fair to say that in all 3 of us and many others have at least a bachelor's degree in trump studies. maybe others have more advanced degrees. i think george, you may call into that category. so it should be incumbent upon us to try to figure

out what the heck is this man doing because he's been in the spotlight about 10 years now. just think about that gentleman, 10 years, he's been the focus of american politics. so george, when we look at this about of, of appointments and we can talk about individual ones. there just 2 things that they all have in common. loyalty to trump and they seem to be all fanatical israel supporters. what else is going on here, george? or? oh yeah, you, some of that up perfectly. exactly that the distinctive characteristic of all of these people, it is loyalty to chrome and fanaticism about israel as some of them have come to fanaticism about israel, of a relatively recent play of, for instance, um uh, the would be the director of the national intelligence. it's also yeah, but it was very critical of israel when she ran for president in um 2020

um. what else to look at lately? the farm far was the team and assume that they will pursue a whole kish foreign policy. it means eventually is the will like policy. it will, it would be very nice not to do so when you, with the point be, but like michaels is your national security advisor, mario rubio is your secretary of state and you know, be tired of texas as your defense secretary visa, not people that you would expect to preside over a termination of wars. and now some people say, yeah, but it will be trump, who was the said policy, a metro, it's the president was, that's policy omeo. and why would you pick these people if what you had in mind was the, you know, the pursuit of peace. and the easiest way to think about this is, well, let's look at the issues like, um,

venezuela or china and you buy the cuba. what would you expect the steam to do? because there's a while ago say they expect to uh, escalate against man as well. oh, yeah. so like, i expect them to escalate against china. so, um, what about iran? well, of course uh, gonna escalate against iran. well then, why is it then when we come to ukraine and do some house things that they will uh, pursue a, a peaceful policy on your credit. it doesn't really make uh, very much sense. and you would have to think that this from does not like more, i think, look and say, let's say if we get that he doesn't like, well, however, does this doing? this was done. he hasn't quite figured out the steps you have to take to. but you piece just sent this thing based throw stripe really means very little entertainment. the judge brings up so many good points here. mean again there, there's a loyalty to trump of, well loyalty to, to israel. but then, you know, there are demarco ruby, those that are fanatical about been is way through

a okay. and then you're going to have others that are still begrudging. russia, gators and china hawks. and all that, i suppose drum can make the claim and we'll see if it hands out that he'll be in charge of his foreign policy. and like he was in the, in his 1st term. so, i mean, it's really more and more uncomfortable and focused on one man because trump was, you know, they gave him the runaround when he was my president before. so i don't know if that's good news or bad news with the very reasons. and george says, i mean he's against the war, but he doesn't know how to make peace, fema. well, that's exactly true. he doesn't want to watch kleenex. i mean, he's not a gaze. she was that you were going to win easily. you know, you probably saw up that there were a gaze there on the battle. she stood would be such a war. but thank god yeah, in the end you decided not to go there. but the real problem is that she doesn't

quite understand who he is. and he was, and she goes to them or rides wondering if there are no, you know, they're a special you, guy adult. does that a difference avenue? that's, that sounds are the only person with the logic. yeah. and he is a new iphone keys. uh, there is toxic barber. i mean, she went born in iraq. wow. all right, because she bo and you know why? because she saw that. there was that stuff was 1001. and she is a single, typical religion. these seem to is. so she's absolutely right about is from, is not a about this one is being violent, you know, uh, organizing dairy stairs. and that is the fact that each one has been in cedar, it seemed to people and, and do the groups impressed even fewer, but the appropriate lease for that that year. and so this altered liberal ideology, which is prevailing no indian by the administration in the or b a base people view

a huge bob, a few many get, asking people what all the people, even in the sole goal focus is if you, if you listen to what uh, a bite is people and what the leaders of your being a congress to say about them. they already got an assumption will give you cause they will tell you what are the items to be made and you will be strict in pure, ideologically, really, exactly. you know more apartment, you ask the your be in need to see if your was either level of course, developmental where no, the gaze russians learn what they gains the con gary is, but i don't think it is chinese. they just become democrats that have been able to do more with it, but that's exactly what piece of us tell you about the those. what do they see those? they just crept to convert 3 islam and them, you know, they will be regarded as solely equal thoughts. but both the god what, what, what in the progress she saw, how that ideology, i mean that they're also able to like, will just destroys people. you know,

most lambs and grease jams just for the sake regime g. so her position is very logical. she called herself the more days there is a and the dog in the was for as you change about the, you know, last of the war started by the united states. and by that is the, is your be and i watch and by you do, these are, was 40 gene jake, you know, why the, what you see or it impacts the governor was absolutely right to say that it was i called grazing to the support the sources that you're at there was they supported, can see that they supported you. slip is a gaze president. awesome. and she was very logical. when she mentioned with the 1070 there when she refused to apologize. what is there a fee or something? is the reaction or what you were p a brass, and we're being lead us to the appointment of thought c bar. but and if you are the people in the drums, a administration, uh,

let me just quote with some of the headlights. it's a, it's a reasonable concern. you know, the, this is wally. so this is why they saw that there was a woman in terms of these tracy global assess fees for piece of that. hang on there . okay, so you can jump into those that can take 2 questions and combine them for george here. well, a plus for chelsea gabbert is that she's not part of the foreign policy blob. that's why there's so much resistance to her. and then there's the issue of qualification that's all over the place. well, look at the buying and administrative looking at his cabinet. of what qualifications do these people have? okay. i mean it's really quite extraordinary. marco rubio, pete heck sets, i mean was a t b increment role. reagan was an actor. i mean, i'm on trying to denigrate or support any of these people here, but i don't really think this is the issue. it play qualifications, george. no, it is. that is one of these completely bogus arguments that people try that. why?

you know, the or the real issue is lack of qualifications to post us. they've got a big issue. she actually, so she served in the military. she has taken a consistent interest in matters of intelligence and secure at any rate. if you were to ask what's, what's the thing, what's issues or i think it's been foreign policy, a critique of american foreign policy and intervention isn't they probably will be in the case, is that she will be the business of the co ordinating intelligence. so she wouldn't actually be running an agency. i mean, she'll be call aging information from lee and intelligence agency is presenting them to the president. but the people with the power will be the people who actually run these agencies. so this just said, always be in charge of 18 intelligence ages, or she wouldn't really be in charge of the aging agency issue or just simply

collect information, critique of them, and present the findings to the president. so she wouldn't actually be in the policy making role by living that, that, that the cops actually, the problem was the, the immediate national security team is that, you know, then they want over the past few months to sound like chrome. exactly. they've decided this on the battery about it, you know, those people say, well, yes, but you know, my uncle rubio voted against the 100000000000 dollar package where you great and then the israel and, and he's a yes, he did vote against that. but what was the reason the site, the not a position to the policy on your brain, but the thing, well, it wasn't enough money for the border. you know, that's the end of the it's the bought of also ruby and you that as what he calls that vote, that it would possible well, mainly in the senate. so the vote really didn't mean anything is all i getting

anything dependent on his vote. the same thing with the mike wills. well, so it's critique of the by the administration has been that it's not doing enough. it's it's, it's too soft on the, on the food chain. so when he also voted against the, is the sending more money to do, it wasn't because, you know, i think this is which we should really pursue based. bring this knowing that is what levels really look well, but by ministration, who's already handling this properly fixed on it shouldn't be doing more. is the weight should be given. setting out an agenda should be telling us exactly what it's in terms of. it's a cop out, it's a hit, so it gives an desantis of response just like this, like, you know, while my only problem is the lack of qualification of you know, the person is lying and isn't telling you why he's opposed to something new to god . remember, before we go to the break here and russia gate is made, its appearance again, apparently tells me it tells me gabbert is a including pocket. we heard this from a sitting member of hardware,

so who used to be a spoke or so. so rest of gates is also ins id. my not that surprising about that. about, you know, the idea, what would you just know? who is the night states? it is the 3rd there is because, but natalie space is a all, was a bruce on the floor for the intervention that stay at ups. you know, clearly peoria diesel was the wrong person around a gaze problem. it was not that they basically destroyed the point. i mean that they looked at it old industry for china and other batteries? no, it was just the process or see or to clean up. now is the pro, so what kind of a high speed would be bob? something like that. and again, and again, is a rush. it needs one says that enclosed in os social networks. there people are everywhere. it will always be a default position for failure. gentlemen, i'm going to jump in here. we're going to go to a short break. and after that short break, we'll continue our discussion on so really stay with our to the

russian states. never as one of the most sense community invest, knocking holes, all sun set up, the in the 65 with the keys, 195 and speed. the one else calls question about this, even though we will ben in the european union, the kremlin media mission, the state on russia to day and split the ortiz full neck. even our video agency, roughly all the band on youtube, the payment services for the question, did you say to stephen twist, which is the

cause i don't watch the last for someone that just didn't want to say i'm on this for face issue. i have to fall under the guise of evacuation about 50000 people were transported. the main purpose of this concentration camp in bella rose was too insane. prisoners was typhus and use them as a human shield against the advancing. so it'd be it on me getting mine. but silly for them to phone. you put them in the sky when it was in love with like you can pick up the ship that you're ship a, put a stuff like that, but don't want to bring your name the i'm so sorry i missed because on your certificate seems to put your salary and that's the 1st you've been on, sees use people as biological weapons leading them to perish without food,

water or shelter, the door small, it there for me, for a deity. so couldn't they knew who lives? i know it's usually the small it to the can you put the intrinsic nation way and there should have just put an easy user. we have a ship for them to move the cam gloucester 10 days or what else made it drastically defense for mazda cam. so that the rice watch on t the bell domestic cross. i boulevard a funeral bell here we are discussing some real is george, it's a discussion you and i have had in the past multiple times. and i think that we have see an intentional fusion or to blur um what is neil con and its out well in it'd be in the outlook out of neil comes in america 1st. people like marco rubio, they're trying to fuse them together. and i think that is intellectually immorally

dishonest. george is exactly right. because of course america 1st. um, originally meant in the, in the charles lindbergh sans and that sort of a fact you can and we'll get an updated. it's a back in the 1980 is the america 1st man that who should pursue a policy that isn't within 1st of the united states, but not in the interest of any other country. and that therefore, the united states should not be undertaking all kinds of interventions and commitments that and so know all this american interest. um and now how this, those trends me with it is he like in the minds of the various trump acolytes, is that well, american just gets to do whatever a one's without any hindrance want anyone else. so what can we continue to do everything that we have been doing before? but we now say that it's just about america,

and that is just an hour in our interest. and everyone else can just simply bought though, and i think that's what they, you know, the various people feel. no, we're taking this america 1st the label to themselves. reading to the advocates. so that's why you know, you get people like me, daniels on, you know, on, on the right, the 1st, you know, but, but you know, you'll be play the supporting israel and everything you do this or is or yeah, well of course everything is that's a good for is rarely is good for america, so level when i that i, when everything goes rizzo, i'm of course advocating and america 1st policy and i think that's really the permits to all these people with a wall. so rubio, texas will say yes, we're doing america 1st and, but what, what about all these was the do in 10 now to escalate, in order to assume something or oh, what less? yeah, that's, that's a america for us. so it's a deeply dishonest exercise in order to reassure it from the,

from support is that yeah, yeah we're, we're on board for this. yeah, that's the way it would definitely you know, no, no, no more of these. um, uh stupid was, uh for a somebody else know what have stupid was that? oh for america 1st. you know, a 1000000 much of the discussion about but the future cabin into another positions of the next administration. maybe you kind of all load because, you know, there is a, what i called been a been minute been mathnasium, where you have the interagency can set a consensus. that's going to be very, very hard to fight against. okay. i mean, p takes as well, you know, popular tv guy. and i mean, well, the more power to him but to be able to control the largest single bureaucracy in the world with that within budget of a trillion dollars. so you think it would take him for years to learn how to run the place, let alone run it from day one, because the layers and layers of the month of bureaucracy, they just have

a life of their own existence of their own. all these political actors are going to have to face the same thing. the case of the pentagon, it's just much bigger, fema so well. yeah, true. well, and it seems as to how what do i do these appointments? i take them away the heck. so he's a cultural warrior. why should the cultural warrior have the defense department? because the defense department has been basically kind of what he did by cultural morris from the other side. i mean, we have seen how the media to you where you, where late move could, you know, she will know that old won't bite beach at the same story with my the gates. i mean, he's a great monopoly. uh, and this is very american to be at this moment, but i'm going to give examples in what ways do you think it is, but nobody but the main monopolies. united states now is i don't want to go if only

the democrats is only the liberals, are they carry as a website or post. so you have a monopoly and i told you why not kind of monopoly either one of you might know kind of it in endowment contracts. it is just the same logic every way, but just to explain my position, maybe it will be interesting for all of yours. if i think if i tell you about the russian b o x, okay. i mean, when i say that people, even a coke receipts or statements to talk with you regarding this in your uh, i, i wasn't thinking i attended the focus of ration speech recent. the most, when people for products read the from germany right at the brush and spent some there they tell me the story is how they are bank. it's all special though, even though they were, for example, for a seat has its own german see just simply because they had rush and sick and they already were seated. so a lot of them, a woman from rush front,

be every single because you are so pray, she saw them, they fell across the russian. so when they stopped down for benefits on before the prostate, because they rolled to that bank, i am rushing now bro. these and you can see them in your big cause of your i don't you because the sportage and for crow, it was the notion because she graduated from the high school. we could always find out the most liberal education with students in russia. and she wanted to be able to keep the whole channel and saw that she saw this, that you're still in your, you wouldn't even, uh, even if you left brush 80, find the name of the business, this liberalism as it exists in the west. now it says support on a, a, a warm and fuzzy version of authoritarianism and we all know that they have a different dvm. um, you know, it doesn't come with a jack boot that comes with the pad on the, on the back. george, there's

a real important issue here because as i started out, we're all kind of students a problem is and if we liked it or not you're, we're all forced to be i strongly believe the legacy is going to play a very big role in trumps mind the seamless for we all know that he won't be running for another term. this is easy to remarkable position of day one. he's a lame duck and as we all know, a, he respects who is a 1st or 2nd term. you got a window of about 18 months to make, to leave your mark. okay. and i, i have to hold considering the motley crue that he's gonna have around him, but he's good, his, what history to be kind to him. what do you think he's going to do thinking that way? well, i, i absolutely great i, i do think that he wants to bring the tools that america is involved in the, to a swift conclusion. the problem is he doesn't really know how he's going to do it,

and he hasn't really put these together a team that's like a torch, even though i think trump sense is that the way you get to bees is by talking or sauce price and everybody and then you know, everybody carries, oh yeah, yeah. with the document let me just sign on the dotted line. the last thing i want this uh to be up against this crazy man in the white house. and i think that so that's a very dangerous um position to say, because i don't, i, i do think that to be when it comes to the ukraine. i think he is going to present a piece plan, something along the lines we've talked about before. some of the things being operate is set out in various newspaper articles. i think it'll be unacceptable. i don't think i, i don't think your brain will accept them. i don't think russian will accept it. and then he's gonna have to decide what to do next. and i think that he will then escalate. another thing becomes very dangerous because you get

a good day. you can just they get a step or we know that truckers don't dangerous things in the past. and like, you know, these besides some nation of the general solemn ami um they get them again on the, on another surface. so the best thing to do, the next step i had to be a, has to be another country, as of it has to be in the country and you can and, and particularly now as we've seen, the kind of wrecked was things of israel was done, old with carrying out of assassinations again, you kind of one that is this something else that's on the cards. you know, trump, things that have, let me just, you know, if they escalate by doing something as dangerous and resurrect with as a carry. now it's almost fascination, you know, he never consult. lemme easy isn't material. so he does take a risk. and i think that's really the problem. and that's the same thing with the israel. i think he could easily video the adult, the very dangerous ball if they think they had, well, this is the, the fastest way to get to piece doesn't do something really dangerous way. exactly

. he's like, well that's, that's what i think that's, that, that's a real concern. you know, he got away with it in the box might be going away with the, with general sort of money next time. you may not be able to get away. you know, that, you know, do you live vladimir approach in has dealt with we do a back a half it technically to bill it from bill clinton. i mean that it gives me, had the transition there. george w. bush rock obama, donald trump, joe biden. and get no, again, donald trump. how does the russian leadership see american presidents? well, i mean, i may just, may be surprised, but we have a lot then it goes this slogan, america 1st. that's no. why don't one do? i don't expect you to be beloved by and that you know we can provide for ourselves . we know it now we've had these there already form fixing that. wait a just 39 just so we know that we can provide for ourselves. thanks to the same. so

we've got several americans, thursdays is quite okay with us, you know about about, well, just had a good relationship with george w bush despite the function i did on george w bush. most of okay, love your country. we have one program, but well, the problem is when you start to pete, you're bringing naturalist to base brush. when you start to me for a southern, she probably will stay bush. when you can see the russians need in the baltics, what you will be as large as in your them, we have a book. and that was unfortunately very, very typical for obama. and so by the end, that's why a relationship with a bite on so solid ones from what was from the very beginning. but again, i'm afraid by the same paradigm. now, usually it was a new president, comes to ball afresh, room with our special voting to oldest. you bow a says i'm going to the relationship with russia. you know, that was the case with

a bama. you remember that you said that was like a human was by the remember that so many d g d were you know what you learned by the beach? an engineer, but it was also the beginning of the comes 1st to remember the assignment didn't cosen deep. damon lights by the real brass, so it's all was the same but at the beginning and then more and more, each one says from the while i agree and maybe add, maybe not a good beginning, but tennyson has, that'd be intentionally dentist don't seem to be. and then by law we on the back, we'll kinda end of this. we said the united states and russia don't have to be friends, but they really ship them to be enemies. ok. i want to thank my guess here in moscow and in budapest, and of course i want to thank our viewers for watching us here at our dc and next time, remember about cycles. the, the,

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