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the the hello and welcome to cross lock. were all things are considered. i'm peter lavelle . this is gathering of the g 20 reflected strikingly different world views. the west drone don about a 2 queen proxy works the rest of the global south focused on international stability and economic prosperity. the process of getting the g 20, i'm joined by my guess palka sharma in new delhi. she is managing editor of 1st

post and network 18 in one. joe. we have john pang. he is a senior fellow of the belt and road initiative caucus for asia pacific and in bali we cross the call john. he is a political analyst historian and host of the silk and steel podcast. alright, costs up rolls in the back. that means you can jump any time you want, and i always appreciate, let's 1st go to new delhi poky and preparing for this program, i looked at international media, western media, a media from the, the global south. and it was starkly different. but just like the starkly different view points that within the a g 20 bloomberg comes to mind. it was badly managed. it was this organized. um the, the focus was on joe biden and no one talked about trump and, but when i looked at other media a lot was talked about and very important and issues that apply to the vast majority of the world's population. but it's not talked about in western media. it, that is one of the striking things about this, this gathering go ahead and new delhi to something else that's going to be done.

thank you very much for having me. as part of this conversation, i, the, the disparity that you pointed out into with the rest and media and looks at issues and looks at events versus the rest of the world has been evident. and if i could do with the example, other words of india, of external assessment association for who set a couple of years back that the problem is that your belief that there was problems are problems. uh, the other way around actually that, that got problem with the was problems of back to the was problems. i'm not you on instructions that translates to the media as well. and, and they look at everything to us such a lens, which is very evident, but we saw that on the south leaders, including the leaders of india and disease. i did point out uh, what are the issues that the world really grappling with because of where the conflicts because of the policies because of the rules that uh, a small bunch of lead us there to make it and false all the rest of the good, the reason for the life of christ is those full shortage. there are

a whole lot of issues or the one disgusting with and. and the g 20 summit did try to put the focus on that. we also heard from experts including those from the rest who said that going forward. 70 percent of the, the was gdp will come from the south. so it's about time that the west took note of the issues that concern the other guy. and it was very interesting, again, looking at western coverage of it, it was in ordinarily focused on the ukraine conflict. and we've known for, for over 2 years now, 2 years plus, is that the global south just as policy? because i think the european, that's your problem. you created your problem now, why don't you solve it? i mean, why do you want to bring in the rest of the world? and it was really remarkable how much the bilateral relationship between india and china was focused on in the global south media. but it was this fair originally mentioned in western media. go ahead, john. yeah. and tend to, um, add some historical context to this may actually be before this, you know,

the 2 previous occasions when you're repeating problems became world problems, right? maybe the 1st world war and the 2nd world war, right. and we could not keep out of it. and it's instructive, and it's interesting and truly important that this time we can say, look, this is an extra no, no problem. these will never, all problems, right? europe has been, and the west has been in that arc of history and exporter off of its conflicts. and so i think when people in the global south reject this, they do it with some historical sense that know business, you're not going to define our issue choose. i think this is, you know, this meet at disparity that you're talking about. i think it reflects the sudden state of mind a certain solution that now characterizes the west and the science solution is not just in the launch of psychological and it's not just in the sort of increasingly

the use of sanctions and restrictions export restrictions and so on. it's, it's starting to be a sort of, you know, a bubble and it be some, a logical bubble as well. utilities, tons of leaving your own world. zip is, is the kind of we are the world complex credit when you're no longer the world because that's, that's absolutely true. you know, carl, a few years ago i was in beijing for a bricks, media conference. and we had this fascinating discussion. one of the problems that the global south faces it needs to overcome is it, we need our own google's, we need our own means of communication. but like, for example, you know, i learned about what's going on internally through bloomberg. what, what, why can't i have a, the global south a conduit instead of always going through the west or no it's, we need to break out of that because if i'd only read bloomberg for example, i would have thought that the g 20 was a complete waste of time and those stupid people in the south take it on board because boot is taking over europe. if that's what you would get a well,

from us perspective, i mean many cases g 20 is a waste of time because most of western leaders including by they use g 20 as a photo opportunity. yeah. it's a, it's a place where they take photos which side missed by the way. yeah. she was late to the meeting. and so the f m x, y, and then and then the car. okay. then carl, he disappeared into the rain for somehow, but i'm sorry to interrupt. you've gone. i mean, yeah, that's what fighting does by it has to be a walk in zone before the past 4 years. nobody was surprised. i then i'll give it shows that kindly you relevancy us of us on the global stage right now because we're facing some real issues, including the, the us supported is really atrocity in the middle used us wage proxy. what did you ukraine, and then there's a global foot short of foot shortage bar across the globe side. this was

exasperated by us. innovation is a bar across the world, leveraging financial sanctions. so, you know, by the way, we do the rest of the, we're always looking at this and you're looking at the photo op and realize, you know what, we don't need by it. and we don't, uh, you know, i, i see your sentiment here. let me go back to policy. i mean i, i think the g 20 is actually important because beyond the photo op, because the most important country is the most populous thing, they economically strong countries of global. so they can sit down and they can confront their former colonial masters. ok. we need initiatives on poverty, climate change, economic prosperity, global economic, um, uh, governance, i mean, these are issues they have to address because just as you pointed out, well, you know, that's what's going on in the global south. it's one of our business. but when the, when the, when there's something going on in the, in the west, they want everyone else on board. i think it's a good tit for tat. go ahead and new dally. absolutely, and i think increasingly western governments do realize that the big cannot or

continue doing what they're doing, they cannot going to do to dominate either culturally or, or technologically. they need a market 1st of all and they need fox news as well. and oh oh, interesting, we would be with the election of donald trump, but even jordan doesn't know which, which box knows it can really rely on. so there are drunk proofing themselves and trying to figure out who are the allies and what a box does and how transactions the relationship with beach. so there's a bit of a kiosk there, and they need bought those in the global south. and these are countries with young population visa countries with, with the, with people who are ready to innovate, who have the hunger and who have the markets that the rest is definitely looking for. we see lead us back to until recently with lecturing countries and to build a solid and human rights. now reaching out to those very countries, invest asia and africa, i'm trying to business to business with density. questions are changing for so i,

i think what is needed is a concerted effort, and the saw that you mentioned the family for to it was a, it was a very telling a development that 3 lead us of the canadian, the dining. then, of course, joe biden could not make it for the family for the photo did happen, and i think there is, there is a message in there that the one with this longer give a full joins the bus. yes, because john the world keeps going on. okay. well, you're not going to wait for by nor maloney or to go 3 because how would it be to the world? it has its own issues and it doesn't have to jenny reflect to western leaders like i, i'm glad the family photo was brought up because i think it is also very telling go ahead, john. this matter of the world going on is actually reflects a huge structural shift in the nature of the world economy, global apollo demographics and so on. and, you know, it's just that western behavior of the last few years have really exacerbated this really brought it to the full i think it's spend almost all of us. um,

the extent to which, you know, business, there's been a dropping of the masks of west and pretension. not all, you know, at long last coming to lee, right. could they just stop trying to trying to electro people on human rights for example. while a betting or supporting a full fledged genocide, right. talk to us about your responsibility when you were trying to trigger your possibly triggering a nuclear war. so it's, it's ludicrous. and however, these issues have brought up very, very sharply right now. and very graphically, i feel as if we're witnessing, i know a just quite a moment and i agree, i think we're all witnesses to an extraordinary paradigm. so if you know carl, it's happening. you know, i've been talking about this as long as this program has been on air, but i think we all agree in the last couple of years. it's really accelerated, this change for sure. i mean, a staging pain has said in his meeting,

we've present boot and we are in a home president. the change on seeing you last 100 years. you and i, we, my friend, we are driving this together. this u. s. on the other hand has been disjoined, all the international forum is international institution itself helps to create after world war 2. this is why people are now looking to breaks as a alternative to that us dominated international institutions in the past. yeah, well you know, currently you're getting way ahead of me cuz that's what i want. i mentioned the 2nd part of the program, but poky, i'll drop. i'll start with you. the, the, the western postwar order is basically done. it's faded away. go ahead and pop punk in new new daily will actually re uh you mentioned that that you, you're getting this news from bloomberg and it is a fact that the west has dominated the narrative and dominated the channels to which people are informed and formed from their opinions,

but increasingly technology, despite their best efforts, has democratize information. and so, so we see things. so what they are always seeing that the same us justifies an invasion of iraq in the name of fighting terrorism. but it's, it's in judgement of others of and when a similar area of water conflict breaks out, the same usdas out the water respect. uh, and it actually resolved, but decides that the, the, the, it band elected and venezuela is not going to be calling the president and they nominate someone else as a president elect. well, i do apologize. i have to jump in here to, i mean it's not part of the program, but the election in moldova was an absolute gym. but you know, the world goes on for the west. you know so much for democracy or i'd have to jump in here. we're going to go to a short break, and after that your break, we'll continue our discussion on the 320 states with our case, the

the welcome act across stock where all things are considered non peter live else remains. you were discussing the g 20 the okay, let's go. let's go back to john in a bunch of i think it's very interesting. yeah. it's what the sanctions has already been mentioned here. and i think we should also bring up a map, western militarism is a, you know, the more i look at like the, the g 20 at least aspects of it, particularly or but, and particularly like the bricks, is it in the west use the sanctions to get to get its way, often against international law. but i see these,

these global south institutions. they're, they're creating them is that they're creating barriers, a shield against that. what they want to do is they want, you know, they, they move a, uh, the west thing. so you know, the way the world is afraid of their sanctions, but now we have countries coming together to shield themselves collectively against sanctions being about financial institutions, banking and like that. so it's trying to coordinate the west from all. what's it look, fax, go ahead. john, sorry, i think that there is that going on this sort of, uh, some, coordinating off, but actually we have past the stage where you even need to coordinate off when you effect the sanction. it's like sewing on the, you know, sitting on the branch and sewing on it. but um, you know, its effective if you're, if you're attached to the trunk. but if you have a smaller bit, you fall off. so this, you know, it's a question of who is isolated and where will pass the time when the west is the center of the global economy. global growth is driven by asia. most of global trade

is between the global cell and the south. the west is no longer central to the global economy. it's peripheral and bricks shows that, you know, at the g 20 for example, if um, you're right that this is the, this is the point where, you know, the countries of the global south, the, you know, can, can confront those on the other side, in the past few years, it hasn't been a very interesting exercise. your tended to have the g 7 sort of go on about about ukraine and then just walk out, et cetera. when russia showed up that sort of thing. you know, it was pretty unproductive, but now i think the rest, the global majority have shown. and i think this is going to be reflected in that you 20. but if you walk out, well, we're just going to have take the picture without real clear. we're going to go on, so it's not just a question of protecting against it. i think they need to understand they're no longer central to the global economy, not technologically, not even scientifically. right. a study is just just come up that might by nature

listing the 20 nature of the, the scientific journal, listening to 20 more miss andrea cities in terms of scientific production, the top to it, aging and showing high but aging twice the amount of shanghai. you know, west is out of the top 20 cities. i think 9 a half of them are in china so that, you know, china is already exceeded the west in terms of scientific prepare production of knowledge. so these are things we ship happen very, very quickly. and i think people in the west having to adjust it to a model but have a really difficult time. it's almost pathological, the panic at the last of this sort of a, you know, primacy, u, as in charlie, in fact, actually they don't have to worry in the john, you're absolutely right. there is an element of a panic there. i think you're absolutely right. because pending, because that's why you see such an aggressive behavior around the world stage because a gemini is slipping through, like say, and in their hands. and they're panicking about it because they don't have any

alternative, you know, call another huge casualty of our time is the, the end of international law. you've, the genocide is already been mentioned here. we've had but a mores of choices. the west is committed in the, in the law in this century alone. and again cut the global south is easy. it doesn't, the international as well. it was used against them. it's a cultural against them. when the perpetrators are the a breaking the law or the west, go ahead carl, exactly us use icbc to go after our menu does not like yet when icvc issues warrens over rest for the yahoo, you know, united states is not going to comply and this is a problem, this is a problem us, is that us is actively disjoined all these the credibility of all these international institution. and for us, you have to help create in the 1st place. and this is when people realize it,

why do we need us to be the 1st place? because you for the past. um, yeah, as joseph morales, the, the famous gardner has said that there is a western hockey. this is over is over and, and this is something that president shooting, had made very clear to fight and joins are us, china, somebody just, prior to june 20 you said there must be correct strategic understanding this to say that the trap is not a historical reality for a new cold war can not and should not be bought. and at that he goes out to say the words must be what trustworthy an action must be. faithful, a person cannot stand without credibility. china always follow through. on his words, by you the us, i always say one thing and does another is very detrimental to america's image and damage mutual twice. i mean, so you can just basically call all america for speaking was a for tom here. and this is a very uh i'll, i would say,

i'm correct your stickly long message, but i think it's, it's to, to be delivered to not only bite and, but also the incoming trump administration. and that's for them to understand that the time have changed. disable that change. yeah. which but it, but it's a mindset that hasn't changed because we all know with the incoming administration, taiwan is good. it'd be the new hot button issue for this. admit, it's obvious to me. okay. and, you know, broke broken promises, broken commitments abound, right, that air poking again, you know, kind of looking at how the international order is changing. so it's really remarkable, again to see how many countries in the global south realize they've better state to if they don't hang together, they're going to hang separately. and i think that that is a trend that is growing. go ahead and i think the realization is thinking and i was reading some uh, a reports and statements business from the you foreign policy to joseph border. who said that wherever i go, i find myself confronted to the accusation of double standards,

are integrated into model macro. who said i'm struck by how much the cost of the global solve that isn't any wonder because of the rest of the lectures. the rest of the was about what is right, what is it, who's based order today, or both came in that this was the 49th time that the united states as use the veto fava to expand it to the, to block the resolution against israel, of united nations and that says something, so you use be to live expression, your use of the human rights as a, as a stick to beat up the rest of the world. writ of, of those same rules to not apply. and the world is beginning to not just see it, but also call it out and, and that should give the rest uh, some thoughtful thoughts and ideas and how to mean that rate. well, john, it's really amazing that joseph burrell has been brought up twice on this program, which i have um, well, i haven't been so kind to in the past. okay. but the garden, it, you know, attending their garden issue. but that tells us everything about the mindset. okay,

it, you can talk to people rationally. but joseph bro just thinks, because he's a european, he knows better, he is better, he's more moral that this is something a mindset that it's impossible to, to delve into confront. let, let me try to have a slightly hopeful perspective on this at by, by trying to to, to, to have a pep pep at least see that what just happened in november 6th in the us elections . and there is a glimmer of hope in this regard. in that, i think this, this mindset is um, characteristics of a very, very small a fin, restricted elite and so angry with me, anglo american or yeah, you know, atlantis, north atlantic. or you can say find that defies 5 eyes. 5 eyes plus you know, natal but, but i think, i think it's the,

the election showed health seen this, this, this, this elite is and how spin that ideology really is. i think it's rejected even in the united states at the heart of, of western power. so that was the big thing, you know, regardless of, of who trump stops is, is you know, all of these appointments. i mean, those are important. but look beyond at his base. look at the us. i think the ideology that sustains the supremacy is a, which is liberalism, is a gardner with the popular west. that's what populism is. it's a rejection of that. and so it's popular pieces is gone, it's unmasked at home. so there's this uni paula reason this premises them this liberal to premises also does not work at home any more. so as with, as a little bit of hope there, but you know, it could be really troublesome. this dispute, cuz i think john, i think you have

a very interesting read on that. a good call right now. i mean, one of the things seem to be the, the west is always telling the preaching about standards and all that. but half of america is poor now and it's getting poor. okay. and it's one of the reasons for populism to rise. and so i, you know, i think i can take on board with john had to say, but before we get to that optimism, that will have to be a complete breakdown in the west. i mean, the europe, europe is suffering terribly um, you know, i, we live here in russia, the sanctions of only created innovation in russia. it hasn't hurt russia at all. go ahead carl. the exactly the what price important is that during his tucker carlson interview, there needs to be a change in the hedge, a monic mindset of the us, the lead. if that mindset does not change, then nothing will ever change. and we, this is again, a highlighted during the presidency. you can stop who is by it and you said we need

to treat each others as equals exchange between 2 major countries like china, united states, neither 2nd side can reshape the other according to their own wishes. nor can they suppress the other face the car on the girl. do you think an american president can publicly treat the president of china as an equal? he should be sure i know it, but he won't do you know, he won't. you want us to not have as long as us has vassals. this is why right now or even going after you india us just indicted a indian businessman, a donnie for supposedly a corruption charge in india this united states. but u. u. s. court is trying to indict the indian businessman for something he just has supposedly down in india. and the only reason that they are able to do that is because he claim the claim. a donnie has had some transaction only

u. s. bond market. so by through using the us financial had gemini, they're throwing the books at every body, they don't like, i mean, this is obvious, attempt to put pressure on the body government because they didn't like that you'd be, as persons will meet showing an independent foreign policy versus russia because india is continued to purchase russian oil and gas and then re sell them to you at a premium price. and the united states does not like that. but this is going to laugh by, well, it looks to me that the, the future ingenious entrepreneurship is coming from the global south because everybody knew that was gonna happen with russian oil. anyway, that's all the time we have. i want to take my guess in new delhi valley and one joe. and of course i want to thank our viewers for watching us here at r t c. you next time. remember across that means the

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the experienced general mustafah come on as a 3rd. in order to bear down the enemy, a bank on the mobilization of the nation, and the alliance with russia, which acted as a united front with turkish patriots. at the end of august 1922. the 3rd, so army won a decisive victory over the invaders. in the battle of doom, libby not and within a month liberated all asia minor from them, the impressive success of the circus army force the west to make concession in 1923. the loss on these treaty was signed turkey. one of the 1st countries in asia manage to defeat the colonial empires and defend its independence. becoming an example for in the millions of the press on the planet, the, the,

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