of the time action, or time seeing welcome back to going underground rule got single around the world from the u. a. e. tomorrow is the day you as president elect donald trump was meant to be sentenced to jail for up to 4 years of a so called hush money payments. but is outgoing president binding the real criminal who should be in jail after he violated the will of the american people by trying to start and all of nato nuclear war with russia. as trump continues making cabinet picks that vote is hopeless handle was promised something the end of the world may happen before he makes it to the white house in time. already russian tv is envisaging the wiping out of british cities in germany, a newest major. remember sweden have issued and due to a will guidance to it citizens. joining me again for new york is the official who

was donald trump white as communications director in the last administration on denise chiron move. he's also the rules of the best selling book from wall street to the white house and back to sky woochie guide to unbreakable resilience and founder of the global investment from sky bridge capital. tony, thanks so much for coming back on before we go to crypto cabinet picks. uh warren piece, a caroline leave it sees appointed the youngest of a press as, as in press. secretary, who would have been in your old department of communications. any advice apart from reading the reading your book note of as well. i mean, look at the problem is, you know, he's going to want her to live for him. and you know, that job does require some lying, no matter what president you're running with or being a part of it means just unfortunately that's a tough spot to be. in but i would say to her, she's 27 years old. i try to keep the line to a minimum. if you can, you know, don't, don't get pushed into something like, you know,

you really hurt spicer when he told spicer to go out and say that my crowd sizes were bigger than obama is when, empirically, they were not. and so i would just tell her, try to keep the line to a minimum. but good luck. yeah, let her lives over the bible. harris administration, obviously. i mean, you said you didn't want to and then look at, you go, you run for public office. you lie, and if you stand at the podium, you know, i only had one press commerce on the white house and i think i distinguish myself by not lying. but it also costs me because when i left the podium, there were 3 or 4 republican operatives and said to me, hey, what the hell is wrong? you, you can't talk like that from the white house. you gotta be more. oh, bleak, and you gotta be more of obfuscating. and of course i'm on my wall street or so i'm not really designed like that. and then 11 days later i get fired. that's if, if people didn't know are watching. i mean, you didn't want jump elected as there is genocide in this region. so lots of people

have ideas about at least the wars may have a chance of ending, but you personally benefit from trump incorporation of crypto perhaps into the economy. how excited are you that finally we have a president who's suddenly the people around him embrace the new technology that certainly here in dubai and most of the rest of the world. and i and using the years. listen, i made my points of concern well known about the president and what the risk for having and return to the presidency. the american people have spoken. we live still in a democracy and hopefully that will continue. and i respect the electoral success that he's had. he won the popular vote as well as the electoral college. i've offered my congratulations to him and he on moscow. i think they ran a very well executed campaign. was in love with a lot of the things that were being sad. i mean, i mean, when he says he's gonna use the american military to go after his political

adversaries of his very on american. so hopefully he's not going to do that. we'll have to see what he does. but as it relates to the crypto currency space, i tried to tell the democrats, you're going to get a now i waited for this position. they didn't listen. there's a pack, a political action committee, in the united states called fair shake. they deployed a quarter $1000000.00 into these races. i don't know if this is to inside baseball but shared ground. it was, they had of the senate banking committee, very important, influential sen from ohio, 18 years in the senate. he got ousted primarily because the crypto community put $40000000.00 into his opponents campaigns. so, you know, democrats didn't listen. mr. trump, you like or dislike. i'm president trump, he's got great political instincts. and so i liked the fact these pro crypto. there are things about this policies that i do like, but i don't like the rhetoric. i don't like the do mute the human ization talk.

he talks about non white immigrants of the country. the way the national socialists talked about the jews and the 1930s. i don't, i don't think that the human icing is i when they get older, i grew up to a bit more before we went into that. but as you know, a mess. so we tribes into the latino community, the african american community. these minorities were the people that voted for trump, michigan, clearly of america, and he don't share your view game. he gained, he gain ground in those areas, but the he doesn't have the plural ality in those areas. he gain ground all those areas. what was interesting about everybody in life when the exit polling of the latino community said, oh, they're talking about the other latins, they're not talking about me. and this is a very big danger in life. you know, when, when it's an us versus them, it's a very big danger. if you're talking in a demonizing way about one group, the domino starts at topple into the other groups. it's not, it's not necessary or

a country like this, a prosperous, free country, or this level of economic activity in the country and the check and balance system and the plurality of the country is not necessary to talk like that. so yeah, you're right. he gain ground and the big mistake lot of people make it's us versus them. he's talking about them, he's not talking about me. but you know, want, when he's talking about them, it could eventually hit you. you know, it's difficult when you're in the rest of the world looking on because you, you see what bite in harris did as regards the war in west, in europe. the refusal to have negotiations, the bumping of billions of dollars of american public money into that war in europe, into israel to commit. what are the, you know, what i mean time as a, it's, it's difficult to sort to ask for the hold on a 2nd. i know because i know i love you, look at the drum says he's going to end it, right. trump says he wants people who started but, but who started the war? we started the war. uh well, many people believe it was the 2014 cool,

but just to go right back to that right now where we're at is where we need negotiation. that's the view of the american people resigned with rahman agreement . and as i'm in agreement with that, i would like that word and i think that there's a unfortunately with the war you get countless on speaker people, civilian casualties and medium in the military casualties are also tragic and unspeakable. so i'm all about figuring out a way to in that war, you know, i have a lot of russian friends and a lot of russian clients. this is not an anti russian statement, but you know, i think i think there are people in europe that are concerned about russian aggression. i mean, let me just pose this to you, finland, and sweden, 74 years, not in nato. excuse me guys. you need to be a nato, they say, no, we don't need to be in nato the 75th year. so let us wait and enter nato. so, and by the way, they border of finland, borders, the russian border of the,

the russian government. did you happen to have to have me that they wouldn't, they wouldn't be issuing guidance for nuclear war if they haven't joined nato, you believe, but actually own ukraine? i can actually tie this up with the crypto. did you believe it? oh no, no, no, no, no, all i know is your show. well, we're not going to nuclear war now. so you're telling me that they should be nuclear, lee threatened by them? no, no, no. sweden, in the past few days, has issued new nuclear guidance to all of its citizens, presume. exactly as a member of nato threatened after vladimir age and change, and a drop of the new k adults to the russians are going to dropped. and you're going to say, you're telling me that the russians are going to go from a eastern european theater war to a nuclear war with the europeans. is that what you're telling me? i think it's being made it completely clear from moscow that if a non nuclear state ukraine uses nuclear uses weapons,

conventional weapons that are a satellite controlled or based from another nation that has nuclear weapons. and that's what the russians now say. basically, we were on an escalade re ladder under the, in the dying days, with abiding interest that will not, that will not in well for anybody that won't work and well for the europeans, the americans, the russians. and so i'm hoping the one of the reasons why we haven't deployed nuclear weapons since the 2nd world war is that there are some same people at the table on both sides that will bridge and compromise. and they will accept of letting me and who then in the numerator alone, or as a good treaties, everyone's a slightly, a little under bite. and harris on the bible, harris it is now you the united states has given complete sovereignty. overall, our futures def, letting me approved in, and the do more, they can decide to attack now under their revise new to the doctor. i mean, these are the dying days. i know there's a lot of you, but you're, you're, you're making your syllogisms are not logically con girl, right?

okay, so, and i, and i pretty but what you're saying is actually they could have, it could have attacked under reagan and they could have attacked under kennedy. the, under i've just said under under conclusion, let's change the new plan. all right, we had a number come on, we had a security agreement that was established in 1994. the russians had no problem with it. so we had a security agree with the ukrainians. there were territorial borders that were accepted by the russians and the u. when they crossed that territorial border, and so you're saying that the europeans that had the security agreement with your ukrainians and the americans that had the security agreement shouldn't of operated and executed the security agreement. so i was going to come, i, i don't want to over litigate the, i mean, you know, that, that i go to, one of the mentors says all was a lot of, and i love the russian people, but i'm not, we don't can't talk nonsense. we gotta talk clarity, okay, so,

so i want the ward and i want the integrity of these borders to be a internationally your knowledge. and i think trump's gonna surprise people by the way, on this issue. so i, i don't think, you know, if he has a good relationship with president putin, i don't necessarily think he's gonna role for president prudent if anything, if i were in that situation, i would tell present putting, you can make me look bad. let's have the war end, but some type of demilitarized zone, some type of buffer zone, some type of safety for everybody. but let's have this thing and so that the violence, you know, you're talking about dropping a nuclear bomb in finland. i mean, come on guys. we can't do that, actually it'd be more like nonsense ago upfront under the new. okay. so even if it's actually just be getting back to you as low as getting just written on a site, it's not that's not going to end well for anybody you mind to clearly not to really know. i'm not saying that that that's one. anyone, once you,

you are speaking to some of these people in the trump administration, and walt said his national security adviser pick said the, taking the hank off the handcuffs off the long range weapons. we provided ukraine and berkeley. lots of these picks uh, backing up what you said about trump far from being a peacemaker and wanting to go down the escal, deescalate 3 that will be the ad. rubio. uh huh. i mean, are they gonna follow trumps orders, or are they still on the side of the military industrial complex wanting this war to go up the you know what trump's order see, you know, how do you know which ones orders are? you know, up, trump is picking these people for a reason, you know, he, he may be signaling the people that we're going to get to a piece. but the russians may not be overly satisfied with the piece. the ukrainians may not be overly satisfied with the piece, but we, we need to get to a piece, you know, one of the things that the founders of the united states said about compromise is that both sides would not like it. okay,

but they set the system up to more so you're talking exactly like donald trump right now. that's exactly what trauma. no, yeah, that's what drugs being saying as this war is be getting worse and worse and, and hundreds of thousands of ukrainians have been being killed. shirley, what would you, well, let you be the secretary of state and the president united states? what would you like to see what we would find rubio or lincoln, but let, let boot and take the ukraine to somebody though, i think they, they had, they had 300 years of conquests over the ukranian soil and it became, it restored sovereignty in 1991, yeah, hang on, tony. i tell you, i'll stop, i'll stop you there. more from the phone with white as communications director after the break, the lease of the russian states. never as i've started as i'm sort of the most sense

community invest, not getting all sense enough to far must be the one else calls question about this, even though we will then in the european union, the kremlin mission, the state on the russians cruising and split the r t spoke neck, keeping our video agency roughly all the band on youtube tv services. for what question did you say a request, which is the hello and welcome to the cost of full horses. here we discuss the wheel in the

welcome back to going underground of celia with one the white as communications director and to these current woochie. tony, i know you were in the middle of, you know, we're talking about the ukraine war from is it from the beginning? i didn't really want to get back into that because hopefully we can see it into it . if by the cnn to the war, like i said, i love the russian p, so i love their culture. i would like the big, the, the, the both sides to put down their arms. obviously, you know, it'd be better for the world. well then only as trump uh, picks out, you know, he was strong enough to resist. john bolton, who's been on this show, the hawkish national security advisor, lost it a bit of time and it was from his ma'am. was away trying to get trump to do with things he used. bolton is not drugs to me. that's what trump says. he brought them into rooms and use them. will it be similarly, be using some of these,

a people who are other people might think on a job, smoke or rubio, and then others very different to the policies of our, of k junior to somewhere but and so, and now now we're getting to really good questions? okay, so, so that, that i actually agree with. so i think there's a rotissery that happens in trump where all you come, you come in on the conveyor belt, they hand you a mag, a hat. you're waiving to the crowd and as you go by drop ship you in the back. and there's been a legion of people that he's done that too. and so what trump is masterful, that is always figures out a way to bring more people into the mix, whether it's you're not mos tulsa, gabbert r k junior. and so the real question is, are they going to have a different experience than john bolton, mark, milly, mark esper, and john kelly, that's the real question. and so i would submit back to you that the definition of insanity is to do the same thing over and over again and expect the different outcome so. so i think we're going to, i think we're going to see a lot of that in the 2nd. trump administration,

and i think it will be unfortunate. look, i mean i would like the organization of the administration and the effectually sion of pop policy to lead to great peace, great global prosperity. but you know, he's casting that administration, you know, he's putting people that are former television hosts, television stars, into the administration. are they the best qualified people? i don't know, he's entitled to do whatever he wants. and of course, the senate has to approve it, but you know, i mean, this is going to be difficult. you know, that it will be difficult. but, but the point i was trying to make was that, is he actually a when everyone says he's a weak character, he's actually a strong character. who brings these people in with different positions. so when he's negotiating, the opponent doesn't really know where he's coming from. i don't, i don't, i don't see that way actually. you know, i the, i think the, the, the president has great communication skills is

a great campaign or he has great political instincts. but one of his deposition is an executive management. he's not a great executive manager, he ran a great television show, but he has never been known to put an organization together. create a culture delegate things to people. it's really been a one man show. and so what ends up happening is these people, if they take any sort of credit or they get into the spotlight in any sort of way, he hits them with a re gone. so, you know, he, he put a lot of cabinet members against each other last time and they were all afraid to do something that he didn't like. they were afraid he was gonna out them and embarrassed them with the presidential suite. and so i don't you have to tell me how any of that is changed, you know, i, i don't see the, for the chess that other people are talking about. i, i know i don't see it and to see gab, it's a job as the director of national intelligence. i mean,

it's clear that the deep stays, or maybe just the state don't like a trump. and with respect to your position as guide, bridge capital, do you believe the markets are being rig the little ahead of trumps and all your ration? very dangerous right now for leverage trades. i know that you knew some back when freed some people said that was to do with ukraine. and certainly there was a lot of talk about crypto laundering for ukraine beforehand. would you people expect the head of an organization day as regards the sudden them some sudden rises and i'm not a, i'm not a of, i'm not a conspiracy theorist. so i don't accept that stuff that you're saying or you don't me. this is no evidence of any of that, but what i would say to you is that the market perceives that donald trump is not going to do what he says. so when donald trump says he's going to put 600 percent terrace on certain industries, the market says he's not going to do that. when donald trump says he's going to use

the american military to go after his political adversaries. the mortgage says no, he's not going to do that with donald trump says he's going to deploy the military to the port 15000000 people from the united states, which would hurt the g. d. p probably pushes into a recession, lower tax revenues, lower the contributions to the social security trust. the market says he's not going to do that. so what the market saying is a trump is going to run the government like a moderate centrist republican. and he's gonna offer some levels of the regulation and regulatory reform for places like banking and crypto. and that's going to be generally good for the market. and because he has the house and the senate, he might be able to extend his tax scotts, which were set to expire, or he may be able to get an additional corporate tax god from 21 to 15 percent so. so, you know, trump is saying one thing, but the way the market is acting is that they believe he's going to operate in

govern in a different way than he say. and why we're a conservative voices on wall street. so against crypto in the, in the 1st place, i mean, when used to, when you at sky bridge capital, we're investing in a crypto people didn't believe you what was go, what was going on behind the scenes. the pressure is the hill phase. so trump administration will face when the fcc begins to allow crypto trading and the united states will be so good it to be here. so, so that, that's a really good question. i think that when, when you're in a highly regulated industry which was treated in the banks are highly regulated and something new comes in. and it has the ability to potentially take out the middle man and take out the oversight. and so you and i over the block chain, can directly transfer value to each other without permission from a regulator and without permission from a 3rd party. i think that scares the daylights out of people and particularly older

school, traditional people. but this is a technology that is here, and what i've generally found in my life when something is better, when a horseless carriage comes in and is actually better than the horse and carriage, even if the old guard doesn't like it, it ends up getting adopted and so we'll be trading with each other, back and forth with each other permission list will be tokenize in parts of the world, whether the regulators are all wall street or banks like it or not. i saw that in 2020, i made these investments. and i looked like a g as in 2021. i look like a dunce in 2022, but i said to my clients, and i'll say to your viewers, if you take a 5 year view of something like the coin, i think you'll do very, very well. you know, we bought our recorded 17000, it's trading at 90000 plus right now. and i think i think the, this has a chance to go way higher over the next 5 years. but you have to have a stomach for those. use it to new technology. what do we know about new technology?

the old guard fights it. i'll just speak specifically about hoover, there wasn't one government official. one regulator, one taxi cab commission that wanted google to exist in the united states. but you know, who want to google the american people and so we're still in a democracy and we're still in a place where the people have a voice and the people beat out the regulators. and that's what's happening with crypto except this boy important been taxis. the reason why i called lock school, the capital. this is so transformational. i mean, i'll just, one is one angle to is um the united states as weapon i sanctions again, so much of the world clearly bricks in the conference recently and because on people are ignoring it now and finding new ways of trading and so on. and we'll uh, and embrace of crypto by, by the fed meeting that, um, sanctions no longer a weapon because people will start to use

a crypto rather than them and all of which they actually, ironically use to evade sanctions previously with, i'm not, i'm not in the i'm not an email government, but i, i've never been a big fan of these sanctions. i don't, i don't think the sanctions, you know, they could have heard the iranian government. they may have marginally heard the russian economy, but i think in general they heard the standing of the us dollar. i think someone 50 years from now an economic story and we'll look back and say, the weapon is ation of the us dollar. is probably not necessarily helping the united states if the united states wants to maintain its mantle of financial services leadership and wants to maintain the us dollars a global reserve wiring so measured about it. i mean, it's destroyed because it has no, i mean, in this region here, everyone's talking about the dollar eyes trade ma, i'm being measure the data because if you look at the data, the dollars actually gotten stronger since trump got elected. most assets in the world are dollar denominated, so i'm being measured about it. yeah. on the margin,

what you're saying is absolutely right. these decisions that have been made to implicate or to oppose sanctions have caused a lot of behavioral changes that i don't think is beneficial to the united states. but by and large if you step back and look at it from 30000 feet. united states still has dollar supremacy in most assets, like it or not, are still the dollar denominated. now, if you're telling me a brick meeting in 2035, the mix of things will be difference possible. but it may not be, you know, you could be in a situation where, you know, i, i never understood the, i don't know, i probably shouldn't say this on television, but i'll say it, i've never really understood the antagonism between the russians and the americans . they, these always seem to me like they, they could be natural allies and, and so i don't know why we're going after each other like that. but is it possible 10 or 15 years from now? there could be a better understanding among those 2 nations as possible. and it is,

it will be quite transformative for the world just of finally, i don't know whether you are going to make up with the trump. but i know you keep talking about weaponized thing against his opponents actually joined the list, arguably, feeling a sigh of relief because the 1st amendment was under so much threat on the democratic regimes. the j be the julian assange, k snowden, manning all under obama. and obviously under reloading musk, there's been a huge can i read it? i'm not feeling. do you think it's better? it's not fear of the. yeah, you got you got m s nbc host running down tomorrow lago because they're fearful. i'm not fearful i've. i've spoken my peace, you know, you know, when trump, when you look you, you live in the arab world. ok. i gave trump millions of dollars, hundreds of hours of media advocacy. we got into a disagreement. it's okay to attack me, but he wouldn't have to my wife who the hell does that? you know, i mean, who does that and do i look like ted cruz to you?

my going to take that from donald trump? remember these people still work for us? it's very, very different in the arab world is very different. any see europe, but these people are serving the american people. he's not the ruler of america. he's an a public servant position. don't force to my wife. i'm a public figure. don't boy, after civilians it's, it's very disturbing if you get an apology for that. the way 7 is administration. that's why i definitely would need an apology for, for that a 100 percent. i would need an apology for that. and if he does give me an apology for that, which he won't do because that's not his nature, that's fine. but you don't. you don't put out what i put out for donald trump on his transition team, staff, treasury, hundreds of hours of media advocacy, millions upon millions of dollars raised millions of dollars given for my personal checking account and then have them attack your wife and then say, oh that's great, rough rough, i'm going to be of laptop for donald trump. you don't do that,

and it's got a sub for us at the neighborhood. i grew up in the united states. we will do that. i mean, with ted cruz wants to do that. god bless, i'm ok, but that's not me. i would never do that tony scott and would you thank you. good to be here, man, be well, and that's it for the show. a continued condolences to those very by you k u. s. and you, i'm genocide here in the middle east. we will be back with a brand new episode on saturday until then keep in touch with social media or if it's not sensitive in your country and have to our channel going underground tv hon . they'll come to us new and old episodes of going on. the grantees as a, the, [000:00:00;00] the,

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