in is particularly critical in northern gaza. i could be as rarely occupation continues to attack medical facilities, especially come all at one hospital. honestly, this hospital has been shelved several times and the 8 members of the medical staff were wounded as a result of the attacks and it could be settled before 11 standup. israel's policy of deliberate destruction of health facilities has continued throughout the months of war and has taken an increasingly serious scale the strikes on medical centers in northern gaza. a clear evidence of tel aviv deliberate crippling of them sudden trouble. so a lot of people who make israel is spreading depths everywhere and in every possible way in gaza. patients, newborn babies, and the wounded alike being bombarded, admit that the health sector is on the verge of collapse. well, what classes are up to the between police and supporters of pocket stones form a prime minister in wrong con, crowns march towards the countries capitalism about as possible. nationwide, protest cooling for his release from prison on sunday. over 4000 people were

detained, the head of the raleigh. it will protest as pelting police with stones, who in turn responded with tear gas to disperse into the crowd. former prime minister in mind con, has been imprisoned for over a year and faces move in a $150.00 criminal charges. despite this, he remains a significant in terms of his popularity and as opposed to being coverage. the support is to remain in the capital until the demands all match in response is lama bad has run up security measures, smoking highways on deploying launch numbers of security forces. local media reports indicate that moved. file data and phone has services have been suspend the lot. so we've got time to squeeze in this out. but we will be back with a fresh look at the news at the top of the next one that you hope you can join us again. the,

[000:00:00;00] the welcome to chrome, smartphones where all things are considered a computer a little. what is biting a need to achieve escalating ukraine proxy war? oh, should we interpret rushes reaction? and finally, where is donald trump and all of this? discuss these issues and more. i'm joined by my guess door to send me well we in budapest, he's a pod cast around the goggle, which can be found on youtube and locals, and assemble. we cross through teddy serial mom. he is a historian and political commentator. right, gentlemen. crosstalk rules, and if that that means you can jump anytime you want, and i always appreciated. okay,

let's take it off with georgian in budapest. so much can be settled about what's happened in the last 10 days, or even a hard to begin to start. i suppose over all the anticipating the of the, the trump administration, we up in for 60 days of new killer chicken. george, it could well be um, the little divider in administration as a or was it determined to escalate the conflict um in ukraine? i mean, i think there's 2 reasons for that. i mean, obviously, 1st of all of the, you know, they're really angry about the, the victory of donald trump in the humiliation that they just some of the hands of donald trump. and that's one to box the man. um, by the time he gets into power because it goes well, have a full scale war on his hands. 2 months is a long time you can do in both a lot of mischief in 2 months. but there's a depo of exclusive ration that plays here. and that way that goes back to what the

americans strategy has been in this war and ukraine. and that is to degrade, humiliate, and demoralizing defeats rush up. because all this, that these attacks, whether it's the attack of those, and even with these, with this drone insight, these are nato attacks. phone russians are attractive or ukraine has not, doesn't have a means, the capability to launch long distance attacks and russians or trip without the satellite technology inflammation without uh, information about the flight bathrooms. all of this is done done by nature. so therefore, if there's a delay to it gets into the situation whereby it'll rupture just sit still and accept the laser has the right to it that russians killed russians on rough entire trip. then rush diseases to be a great power. russia then,

is relegated the status of a north vietnam or the iraq, or a siri or libya, but good bones on a regular basis by the great powers. but they're only able to do anything. it's a to retaliate. and i think that's what the, the goal is to just keep doing this during shouldn't say, well, look, russians unable to do anything about it like that. so i rushed already has to say, no, we, we, we finally got about the situation to go on. and they have said no, because they, they fired, that's a hypersonic ballistic missile, which is quite extraordinary. some of the images infinity footage. i've seen of it here of teddy. are they the, this is what rest it does when the west escalates. they let me return the favor and, and i still think, well, the western powers, with the exception of the u. k, for some reason, hasn't really been able to digest and understand that russia will not tolerate this type of behavior and versus change it to new people or doc doctor and to a,

to reflect that. i mean, the, the, the west wants to escalate, rushes matched, that escalation, cutting, you know, i, i think matching is exactly is a key telling me, right? because when, when you look at what put in has been saying about this publicly onto the and then the address to the nation. and obviously the word key as stressed several times that the always be a response. make no mistake. and, but he's also use the web symmetric again and again, and sometimes he's used the word me, right? right. and so i think that's exactly what the russians try to do right now is to respond. but in the, in a ways that exactly matches the best them escalation, but doesn't up the and beyond that as it were. because i think the georgia is the right one corner of the dilemma, right? that's what is described, the level, the level that best and strategy tries to impose investment is if you don't do

anything, the immediate you do provide a gain to to secondary, tertiary status in the international system as it mediates but the other one of the dilemma of closes, if you do the wrong thing. good, may finally be able to activate the 4 or whatever it is of the optic of 5 of the made to treat the and so everything they have a do you now don't get me wrong. i don't actually think nature wouldn't necessarily weight, but of course whoever been such a large scale, right would always be a catastrophe for everybody, including 4 of us that nobody would be better off in the right. so that's the dilemma i think. and i, a for you, what russia is trying to do is always finding exactly the symmetric or the mirror in the calibrated response. no, no response, but some response and then has to match. yeah. but matching it, you know, like getting going to the realm of, of, of extreme danger, george,

because i mentioned to you k, a few seconds ago. and they, these missiles that are being fired into russia, they're british. okay. they're, they're manufactured, they're presumably the technicians along with it, using either their own or american satellite, a technology of this kind of the lead up to george. but if nato is going to attack russia, then russian may attack the country that is producing these missiles, killing russians. this is where we're going, george. i think so, and i think that in booted in some speech um, a few and nights ago, he did specifically say that given the, these ms laws are being uh, gonna be used by the british technicians or an error nato technicians, the late and majors providing the satellite technology of it effectively, nato is boeing, our tar trip. therefore,

we feel that we can respond to a games, those countries on their temperatures who are providing the weapons for ukraine to use against us. and that's, that's, that's as explicit as he's ever said. anything. we, again, a type, the territory of those powers that provide these, uh, these uh, missiles and this moves on technology to ukraine's. so that's a clear warning. and so i think the now that he has made this morning, then i, i think russia product will have to follow through. because if this does happen again, and i think it will happen again, then russia has to follow through. and then because it does raise the question, well, what happens then? now it goes, uh, brittany will have go say, this is unprovoked aggression against us. and, you know, and, and then we'll go to nato and say, well, all the go 5, you know, that said one, for a, for one, we are all, it was now with russia. but then it will of the nato powers say, because of a say,

you know, this was clearly pro vote. and now they being dragged into a wall against a nuclear polyps when they had nothing to do with this attack. so any way that it says the end up essentially, george, they hung errands, they'll say, well, what's in the home gary? in this slow that was small, there didn't go right into the music that's recognized particularly when when he was civil. that the country is like hungry and slovakia and the czech republic there will much closer to russia. and so they can say, well they, we're going to get clobbered because of you. so science but no findings. and i, i don't think this is the right time to solve invoking article 5. i'm going to ask them because most of courses will retire, right? absolutely. i'm not arguing for it. i'm, but old george i, i agree mostly, but i disagree. and one point i, i read to teen statement a tiny bit differently about i think it's important as far as i understand,

he said the military installations of the powers that also address be behind ukraine a v. and it will be have a right to be visit class. you have a right to a tech those. and i think there are 2 important points. one is a media to installation can ready, but it'd be on the territory of us. and so certainly not to with that out there completely agree with you. but it could also be on, for instance, territory of the nature of man. but some of the new and natal states which is i think, a very important zone. yeah. right. it's still natal, don't get me wrong. that's do very dangerous. the other thing is, i think they have to take the residence of a seal receive and just say we have the right. because the russians almost like they use this different view from west and politicians. when you hear rest on politicians, say ukraine has the right then they mean ukraine must, your brain has the right to good intellectual. therefore, your brain must be got into nato. the russians don't seem to have the right so much

more logical with the version. so say be can be, can they essentially reserving the option, right? but i certainly, we have a few, this doesn't take away the initial problem, bridges when they never exercise the right, right. then they get the multiple geopolitically. so the issue is still there. i'm just saying that at the point of decision, right, imagine another ukranian stripe of attack comes right again into the russian territory. at the point of decision, it seems to me that the russian leadership, fortunately, as reserved, it serves some room for maneuver them as wise. they're much more adult into the rooms and the best in this way. i fear. well the that's, that's, that's quite slow because the problem is that by restraining themselves in the way they have for the past 3 years, they have encouraged nato to take one bold step off for another and to keep escalating. so if you can react, they run it from, saw that were very cautious. oh,

russia didn't react. yeah. so let's you know, up the, on to, oh, they still haven't reacted. okay, well let's do this as always, that by step, you know, bring bringing in the abrams tanks and of the f. 6 themes that, you know, they called him to the left, the high moslem. and then the time comes, you know, at each step, you know, they were watching carefully will rush or respond now and what they want to do or the between the nc you're absolutely right. but i think it's the thing that you and i talked about earlier is that over this, the 3 years in, in watching rushes reaction to escalation. now we're at a point is that is a, a military base that is hit in the u. k. with warning, with minimum of hours, warning, getting your people out, you know, whatever up it's going to be kind of incumbent upon the u. k. government to say, well, this is an unprovoked attack, but what's the, all of this discussion? no one's going to say, well, what did you expect a whole to this could happen because this is, it look at it and it wouldn't be

a dense nato. it'd be against the u. k. go ahead. george couple, we said, no, i think that's the best one. that's i think what will happen, and i think that it will be a british military installation. then i think the russians will give advance warning. and yeah, the cause, the british government and the british media will screen that this was an unprovoked attack, but i don't think they'll be too many bias the this was a was, and this has been going on for 3 years. you've had warning off the warning officer warning and, and you haven't paid any attention to it. so you've been, that's what i see russian territory and the 11th. right. so that's why i think the optically attempt to invoke article 5, what is i think do that. i don't think i, i think it'll be too many men nathan member states that will say no, i don't think so. i think we need to just cool things down it. well, that's what we all hope. did cooler heads will prevail, that we've been asking that i've been praying for that for the last 3 years. all right, gentlemen, i'm going to jump in here. i'm going to go to a short break. and after that short break,

we'll continue our discussion on so really to stay with our tea the the welcome after prospect bullhorn time peter. well, here we are discussing some real news. take, let me go to you and assemble. this is the other side of this very complicated equation is, trump proofing nato and boxing him into a corner. and you know, if he, again, looking at some of the people that are in the trunk or that we have very different ideas coming from them, come out and cut off the aid. you cut off the aid,

the war comes to an end. there are others or say no, wait, trump is going to end this. he's going to wonder escalates, and he's gonna tell the russian was a knock it all off. okay. i mean, you have very different extremes here. who is speaking for trump. what comes mind is we don't know, i think we're, all of us would agree. it's rather peculiar that the truck drum and as a median circle been really quite, quite mum on what's going on. right now. snow is that because of the logan at and all of these kinds of things we can discuss it. but i think it's, it's obvious the saying that the trump is being given to face plate. it's new administration and we're going to have to deal with fax on the ground generated to uh to the 2 months before i now get ration go ahead, take, you know, i, i think drops it right. the term factor and to change or red ministration is very important and both the bottom administration is doing now. i mean, it's not just the attack comes permission, which is more than a permission, right? it's also the land mines and to personal land mines. it's

a sanctions against the strong bank, which is another very aggressive move. it's that they have gone out of the way. i mean, blankets that he basically said bill going to push every dollar behalf out of the door before it is over right before bill. but, and the only thing that the restraining of them a tiny bit is that most of these dollars have to spend, but installed parts of the pentagram and to stop by fact too. but they're taking every step, almost every step, almost that you can imagine to make things worse, right? that i did, i guess interrupt real quick here. can you explain to our audience? how does this approach help? ukraine does not do, but what that's the point they're making. it was for everybody else has been making it was for your grand no, for over 2 years, everything they've done has just increased ukrainian sacrifice to, to bring in destruction. and of course as onset and pulls terrible costs on russia and also to an extent on the residence that this is across the something absolutely right. but she has to think,

i don't think it's that easy to books in trump and all just talk about the trunk proving either foreign policy towards your grand 8 to your plan on a to as a whole. it's actually, i'm sorry, but that's misleading. of the dark forest, because the drum proves the elections, they've been not from the, from the guns, from once, the guys in power. now the other point is, of course, correct. we don't know, but the collective trump is up to write the paper around him. now, did you decide a little bit my go boards came out on the fox interview and what's a tiny bit critic off the bite and move? donald trump, juno came out on x and was much more explicit against the by the restriction did was it comes, but i still agree with you. we have heard relatively new, so we out there to guess. but so the russians, right. and i think one very important thing is that the rush from leadership eyes for you as good reasons not to be too pessimistic about the incoming trunk from

their perspective. and that is good news for us stupid, because it means that the russian leadership has an incentive not to let itself be lured into those very, very late few, but escalation by the, by the missed us. i mean, the russians are looking at the store and the see the by doing this stuff and i'll gambling for every thing they have. but they also know you say 60 days is a long time. i agree. but on the other hand, it's only 60 days, right? you get souls as you have a mountain mazda of ok. in this space, george, so much can happen in 60 days. it'd be better depending on your needs. this is what makes this so dangerous right now because this really is, i mean, we use the, the met mater for a game of chicken. but this is the real quick we're in. this isn't real. it's happening in front of our mind. stronger. no. yeah. i think so because i think 60 days is a very long island way and we used to say a week is a long time in politics, but it's 60 chases and all of

a long time in geo politics. and, and they gave me a brush up, fails to respond properly to the series of very serious attacks on it's, tara tre, by nato power, has been a game rushes. these has to be a great pop now and, and does trump, i don't know whether the russians really have any great hope so trumps that have hope. so try them back in the 20162017. and i think they were very disappointed. the look of this administration that trump is put together and they going to be looking for where are the voices for pete's? i mean, trump sold himself at the beginning of the campaign, and then we have to remember this was at the beginning of the campaign when he was seeking the other bodies nomination. and he had to appeal to his basically have to build a mag, a really hate of this, a ukraine, a venture. and he made all sorts of saved statements to them about lea. uh, with

a little more on the neo cons. the people who could keep driving america into was, you know, he's gonna bring this, that ukraine war to an end. we know that the risk level 3 is of that of the beginning. and then he kind of that will evaporate that once he um, secure the nomination, and then actually help mike john speaking my johnson, to a secure with the 100000000000 dollar aid package. so if you look at this trump team, you'd like to say, where is somebody like a gun with douglas mcgregor and you'd be a voice for peace squares. uh, red grinnell hills. they would probably be a voice with these um, with rand for the, those it'd be a voice for peace. these people well, the, uh, in uh, in the administrative people who would actually be involved in congress and making their own folks. this is all and it's on the ration f and mandates they do is exactly now the one person who, who are with your point to really is unambiguously a spokesman for maga mag day is use of life when a days

a significant bit chrome didn't expect any political capital to try to save him if people have done so he got a full for him. he didn't. so okay, so if the russians are locating and then they're going to say, well, well, you know, we didn't, if this is going to be like, uh, the say, the reruns all the, the 1st that i'm, you know, yeah, he talks a good game. but when push comes to shove, he really doesn't doing very much. and that's why i think that the russians are not to thinking in terms of a well, we better hold off because i think we're going to get this up. some of the great deal with the trump, i don't think they going to do that. i think they're going to the death of websites . what's the best immediately? i think kind of the way things stand right now and things could change by the end of the day. the way things are changing. and then, you know, we could kind of this what the baby here is that trump is going to be a hawk on russia. push for this a ceasefire, which will not happen because the russians one agree with that. um for default to

make the, um, uh, ukraine, some kind of fortress state and, but that no more funding due for an aggressive war. you know, i, i tell you that are taking mag the world around getting around what it doesn't make any sense because you know what, oh, you didn't talk to the russians about it. okay, fine. but i think that's the, the, the, the, the treadmill there on right now. i'm go ahead and look, yes, that's the problem we, we have class is all of us about what's wrong to be ready to write. and we are really talking about 2 questions. name in our guesses, and what other versions guessing? right. so to go back to the class and the deluxe lots advised us now, which is why those emotions guessing. i agree with someone one thing i don't think they have, who for trump and they don't expect a great deal just because trump is coming. and i agree. but i also believe they have reason to her to wait very strong responses because they don't know the opposite either. like, located as this empiric. if the some leadership has already made up its mind,

that it actually will do all the same. we have nothing to expect from the trump changed. why did it actually is try back and it makes to move is trying man on to was the 1st attack. i'm some central them the shuttle stone shuttle uses on russian territory by did they do that? because there was funds the 1st responsible survey was trained, it's even possible that they will resonate the fire a new quote. right. but it didn't even have explosive. why? it's not to speak of nuclear. why it's, it's possible from the small crate this, it left, that they just use kinetic warheads, which is the smallest thing you can possibly do in terms of destruction, in which case it, but it also teddy created a visual that was very, very old. i know that's the 2nd point, in which case we took care to have minimum destruction, month of maximum and demonstration effect. we don't know this yet, but this is one possibility of what they've done. well, we don't know is that didn't strike po number, the didn't start visuals,

the disney striker base in germany, they actually still active in a very restrained way, right. and then the rest of us began, i want as again. so we have actual reason to think that the rest of the district does not believe it's all the same. i agree with george. i think the re and is not dream of. so don't sit there and think all the columbus going to fix as far as he's a friend. of course not. but they have pleased to think if we wait for another 60 days, we might be playing in a more admin tejas environment. right. and one thing the lesson leadership has told us was the extent of this war and even beyond the crisis since 2014, that the capable of long term planning very much. i'm like, oh and the vision, you know, and george, this demonstration, it showed capacity, but it didn't show intent. and i think that's very interesting. but i think it's very, it's look, it's going to be a very tedious over the next 2 months,

which i'll be talking to both of you multiple times during that time is that it's kind of like being in a relationship that sub, with someone that's lost their mind because you have the, the, you have to expect the unexpected. and, and then of course, in western audiences have never been told. is it this, from russia's perspective, this is the next suspension trip nato. this is the craven choice. that's the difference of the different sites. go ahead, george driving us. so that's a very important point because you just, if you, if you watch the common free all in the, the last few days they will, this all pulled in is just the saber. rattling bolt is just the last spring. we need to stand off the boat and we need to make clear to both jim that you know, we're not going to be intimidated by his saber rattling. he may have nuclear weapons. we also have nuclear weapons. this is the gist of the country,

but they don't seem to appreciate that it's for russia, this is an existing show matter. they already to escalate to whatever you know doing in nuclear weapons if necessary. and when it comes to the west, it no president, no residence since 1945. as it was said, that the board is in eastern europe, the regimes in eastern europe about a vital national interest leaving on the states. and one of the is, was sacrificing americans, likes war. again, we saw what eisenhower in 1956 and hungry was the lyndon johnson in 196 a to reject. as the lack of ronald reagan. it bo lived in 1981, not one of these of the president said it is, was sacrificing american lives and to bring the planet to the point of destruction . oh, but is that what happens that when he went to cuba, what happened in the american embassy? yes, but that most of the american president said, yes,

we are ready to go all the way up to nuclear. well, what name is comment? you said that they're off the rocker. yeah. that's met this kind of common for it is also a rock. you know, defendant jeff gentlemen of the, what i think is really dangerous. is that the come ball in the, by the ministration. and they see this is the last chance to um, to contain and even break up russia and their dreams are, are in tatters right now. i think that explains as wild as for a total re, a process in front of our eyes. it's now it's going into hope and hope dice, i guess guys 1st and last in this case, by a gentleman that's all the time we have. i want to thank my guessing, budapest, and assemble. and of course, i want to thank our viewers for watching us here at archie cnx, some remember, across knuckles, the

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