security, make the realization of a 2 state solution more difficult and undermine the prospect for regional peace and stability. the government of israel must return the streaming seller violence and protect all communities from harm. united states have sought to promote accountability by imposing sanctions on 17 individuals in 16 entities for their actions to undermine peace, security, and stability in the west bank. as secretary defense allow us to make clear to his is really counterparts. we are also concerned about israel's decision to stop using administrative detention orders against settlers suspected of attacks against palestinians in the west bank. yeah, so i is, it can hear may be in the coming. that is, the some good news will come from the middle east and maybe this is a good time. and before also all the powers around the world to make a lot of pressure on ease, read them, leap on and on the philistines to make agreements. now, before it will be too late and that there will be a big war in the middle east. that's nobody really wants money. thanks for bringing

us those details us as well. base to listen next, toyota, and thank you for now. and i thank you for joining us. hey, on all the international is always a pleasure with botkin 30 minutes with plenty more pepsi then the welcome to chrome smartphones. were all things are considered on peter a little? what is biting a need to achieve escalating ukraine proxy war? oh, should we interpret russia's reaction? and finally, where is donald trump in all of this? to discuss these issues and more, i'm joined by my guess door to send me well we in budapest, he's a pod cast around the goggle, which can be found on youtube and locals and,

and assemble. we cross through fedex or omar. he is a historian and political commentator, right, gentlemen, crosstalk rules and effect. that means you can jump any time you want, and i always appreciate it. okay, let's take it off with georgian in budapest. so much can be settled about what's happened in the last 10 days. or even a hard to begin to start, i suppose overall, um, anticipating the of the, the trump administration, we up in for 60 days of new killer chicken, george. and this could well be um, the little divider in administration as a, or was it determined to escalate the conflict um in ukraine? i mean, i think there's 2 reasons for that. i mean, obviously, 1st of all of the, you know, they're really angry about the, the victory of donald trump and the humiliation that they just some of the hands of donald trump. and that's one to box the man. um, by the time he gets into power because it goes well, have

a full scale war on his hands. 2 months is a long time you can do in both a lot of mischief in 2 months. but there's a depo of dukes consideration that plays here. and that way that goes back to what the americans strategy has been in this war and ukraine. and that is to degrade, humiliate, and demoralizing defeats rush up. because all this, that these attacks, whether it's the attack of those and even whether he is with this drone insight, these are the nato attacks. phone russians are attractive or ukraine has not, doesn't have a means, the capability to launch long distance attacks and russians or trip without the satellite technology information without information about the flight bathrooms. all of this is done done by nature. so therefore, if the laser gets into the situation whereby it'll rupture,

just sit still and accept the laser, who has the right to attack russians killed russians on rough entire trip. then rush diseases to be a great power. russia then, is relegated the status of a north vietnam or the iraq, or a siri or libya, but good bones on a regular basis by the great powers. but they're only able to do anything. it's a to retaliate. and i think that's what the, the goal is to just keep doing this during shouldn't say, well, look, russians unable to do anything about it. well, i think that's what i rushed already. got has to say no, we, we, we finally got about the situation to go on. and they have said no, because they, they fired. that's a hypersonic ballistic missile, which is quite extraordinary. some of the images infinity footage. i've seen of it here of teddy. are they the, this is what russia does when the west escalates, they let me return the favor and, and i still think, well, the western powers, with the exception of the u. k, for some reason,

hasn't really been able to digest and understand that russia will not tolerate this type of behavior and rushes changed it to new people or doc doctor and to a, to reflect that. i mean, the, the, the west wants to escalate, rushes matched, that escalation, cutting, you know, i, i think matching is exactly, it's a key term, you know, right? because when, when you look at what put in has been saying about this publicly onto the and then the address to the nation. and obviously the word kid has stressed several times that will always be a response. make no mistake. and, but he's also use the web symmetric again and again, and sometimes he's used to with me. right? right. and so i think that's exactly what the russians try to do right now is to respond. but in the, in a ways that exactly matches the best them escalation, but those and up, the and beyond that as it were,

because i think george has the right one corner of the dilemma, right? that's what he is described. and then the best and strategy tries to impose investment is if you don't do anything but you media to provide a gain to, to secondary, tertiary status in the international and system as it mediates but the other one of the, them all of causes. if you do the wrong thing, good, may finally be able to activate the 4 or whatever it is of the optic of 5 of the major 3 d. and so everything they have a do you now don't get me wrong. i don't actually think nature wouldn't necessarily weight, but of course whoever been such a large scale, right would always be a catastrophe for everybody, including 4 of us that nobody would be better off in the right. so that's the dilemma i think. and i, a for you, what russia is trying to do is always finding exactly the symmetric or the mirror in the calibrated response. no, no response, but some response and then it has to match. yeah. but matching it, you know,

like getting going to the realm of, of, of extreme danger, george, because i mentioned to you, k, a few seconds ago, i made these missiles that are being fired into russia. they're british. okay. they're, they're manufactured, they're presumably the technicians along with it, using either their own or american satellite and technology of this kind of the lead up to george. but if nato is going to attack russia, then russian may attack the country that is producing these missiles, killing russians. this is where we're going, george. i think so, and i think that in booted in some speech um, a few nights ago, he did specifically say that given the, these ms laws are being uh,

gonna be use by the british technicians or an error nato technicians. the delay and major is providing the satellite technology of it effectively. nato is boeing, our tar trip. therefore, we feel that we can respond to a games, those countries on their temperatures who are providing the weapons for ukraine to use the game starts. and that's, that's, that's as explicit as he's ever said anything. we, again, a type, the territory of those powers that provide these, uh, these missiles and this move this on technology to ukraine's. so that's a really a warning. and so i think the now that he has made this morning, then i, i think russia product will have to follow through. because if this does happen again, and i think it will happen again, then russia, it has to follow through. and then of course, it does raise the question, well, what happens then? now it goes, well, brittany will of go say, this is unprovoked aggression against us. and, you know, and,

and then we'll go to nato and say, well, all the go 5, you know, that said one for a is the one where all it was now with russia. but then it will, of the nato powers say, because of a say, you know, this was clearly provoked. and now they being dragged into a, a wall against a nuclear polyps when they had nothing to do with this attack. so any way that it says they end up, it's actually george, they hung guarantee, they'll say, well, what's in the home gary in this little bit, what's out there? the runs and what is the music that's recognized particularly when you, when you get civil, that the countries like hungary in slovakia and the czech republic, there will much closer to russia. and so they're going to say, well, they, we're going to get clobbered because of you. so signs, but no sign example i, i don't think this is the right time to solve invoking all the go. 5, i'm going to ask them. of course mode of course is this will be the time, right? absolutely. i'm not arguing for it. i'm but ok, george i, i agree mostly,

but i disagree. and one point i, i read to attend statement a tiny bit differently about i think it's important as far as i understand, he said the military installations of the powers that also address beat behind ukraine. v. and now we have a right to be visit class. you have a right to a tech those, and i think the 2 important points. one is a media to installation can re, but it'd be on the territory of us. and so certainly not to with that out there completely agree with you. but it could also be on, for instance, territories of the nature of man, but some of the new and natal states, which is i think, a very important zone. yeah. right. it's still natal. don't get me wrong. that's due by the injury was the other thing is i think they have to take the lessons of a seal receive and just say we have the right. because the vice, once i'm up like the be use this different here from best and pollutions menu here, rest on politicians, say ukraine has the right then they mean ukraine must,

your brain has the right to good intellectual. therefore, your brain must get into nato. the russians don't seem to have the right so much more logical one device. and so i think the can be, can they essentially reserving the option, right? but i still, we have a few, this doesn't take away the initial problem bridges, then they never exercise the right, right. then they get demoted geopolitically. so the issue is still there. i'm just saying that at the point of decision, right? imagine another ukrainian stripe of attack comes right again into to the russian territory. at the point of decision, it seems to me that the russian leadership, fortunately, as reserved, it serves some room for maneuver them as wise. they're much more adult into the room than the rest of this way. i fear. well the that's, that's what that's quite so because the problem is that by restraining themselves in the way they have for the past 3 years,

they have encouraged nato to take one bold step off for another and to keep escalating. so it's been a react, bailey room from saw that were very cautious. oh, russia didn't react. yeah. so let's you know, up the on to, oh, they still haven't reacted. okay, well let's do this as always, that by step, you know, bring bringing in the, a abrams tanks and of the of 6 themes that you know, the kind of call them the high modeling. and then the time comes, you know, at each step, you know, they were watching carefully will rush or respond out and what they want to do after the tour between the nc you're absolutely right. but i think it's the thing that you and i talked about earlier is that over this, the 3 years in, in watching rushes reaction to escalation. now we're at a point is that is a, a military base that is hit in the u. k. with warning, with, you know, of hours warning, getting your people out, you know, whatever up it's going to be kind of incumbent upon the u. k. government to say,

well, this is an unprovoked attack, but with all of this discussion, no one's going to say, well, what did you expect? the hope is that this could happen, because this is, it look at it and it wouldn't be against nato. it'd be against the u. k. go ahead. george couple. we said no, i think that's the best one that's i think what will happen. and i think that it will be a british military installation that i think the russians will give advance warning . and yeah, the goes to a british government and the british media will screen, but this was an unprovoked attack, but i don't think they'll be too many bias. this was a, was it, this has been going on for 3 years. you've had warning off the warning officer warning and uh, and you haven't paid any attention to it. so do you think that's what i see the russian territory and the 11th, right. so that's why i think the optically attempt to invoke optical 5, what is i think do that, i don't think i, i think they'll be too many men. they to a member of space that'll say no, i don't think so. i think we need to just cool things down it. well,

that's what we all hope. did cooler heads will prevail that we've been asking that i've been praying for that for the last 3 years. all right, gentlemen, i'm going to jump in here. we're going to go to a short break, and after that short break, we'll continue our discussion on so really to stay with archie. the in february 2020 to ukraine, the game, the world's number one new story for ukraine, new brand, new credit, ukraine crane question. truth invaded ukraine, england display test ukraine suffering from russian english and we seen the main stream media and the nightly news were citing clean developed scripts that essentially say exactly the same thing using the buzz word. so this is a threat to our democracy. when you see 10 different channels, exactly that sentence, you know, that it's the central intelligence agency script. the role of p r firms,

the ukraine throughout europe in into and i did states really can't be overstated. it's quite different. and it wasn't previous decades where there used to be more of a covert role of propaganda, government propaganda operations. now this is just celebrated as p r in helping ukraine and helping get their message out times because who's pulling the strings and who is profiting the the the,

or the the welcome metric prospect bullhorn time peter level here, we're discussing some real news. teddy, let me go to you and assemble the, the other side of this very complicated equation is, trump proofing nato, and boxing him into a corner. and you know, if he, again, looking at some of the people that are in the trunk or bit, we have very different ideas coming from them because everyone cut off the 8,

you cut off the a, the war comes to an end. there are others or say no, wait, trump is going to end this. he's going to wonder escalades, and he's going to tell the russians to knock it all off. okay. i mean, you have very different extremes here. who is speaking for trump. what comes mind is we don't know. i think we're all this would agree. it's rather peculiar that the truck, uh trump, and is a medium circle. been really quite, quite mum on what's going on right now. snow is that because of the logan act and all these kinds of things we can discuss it. but i think it's, it's obvious the saying that the trump is being given to faith, complete his new administration. and we're going to have to deal with fax on the ground generated to do the 2 months before and i'll get ration go ahead, take, you know, i, i think you have so right, the time factor and to change of administration is very important. and go to the bottom administration is doing now. i mean it's not just the attack comes permission, which is more than a permission, right? it's also the land mines and to personal land mines. it's

a sanctions against the strong bank, which is another very aggressive move. it's that they have gone out of the way, i mean, blankets that he basically said bill going to push every dollar behalf out of the door before this is over right before bill. but, and the only thing that was training of them a tiny bit is that most of these dollars have to spend, but installed parts of the pentagram and to stop by and say 2. but they're taking every step, almost every step, almost that you can imagine to make things worse, right? that i did, i just interrupt real quick here. can you explain to our audience? how does this approach help ukraine? it doesn't know what the, what that's the point they're making. it was for everybody else has been making it was for your grand know, for over 2 years everything they've done has just increased ukrainian sacrifice into grading and destruction. and of course, as onset and pulls terrible costs on russia and also to an extent on the rest of the type. this is across the something. absolutely right. but she has to think,

i don't think it's that easy to books in from all. just talk about the trunk proving either for on policy to or to grant a to your training on nato as a whole. it's actually, i'm sorry, but that's misleading of the dark forest. because the drum proves the elections. they've been not from the, from the guns, from once, the guys in power. now the other point is, of course, correct. we don't know, but the collective trump is up to write the paper around him. now, did you decide a little bit my go, boys came out on the fox interview and what's a tiny bit critically off the bite and move. donald trump, juno came out on x and was much more explicit against the, by the restriction did was it comes, but i still agree with you. we have heard relatively negative sylvia out there to guess. but so the russians, right. and i think one very important thing is that the rush from leadership eyes for you as good reasons not to be too pessimistic about the incoming trunk from

their perspective. and that is good news for us, stupid, because it means that the russian leadership has an incentive not to let itself be lured into those very, very late few, but escalation, by the, by doing this, does, i mean the russians are looking at the store and they're seeing the by doing this stuff and i'll gambling for every thing they have, but they also know you say 60 days is a long time. i agree, but on the other hand, it's only 60 days, right? you get so this, you don't have enough mazda of ok in this space, george. so much can happen in 60 days. it'd be better to put it under a need. this is what makes this so dangerous right now because this really is, i mean, we use the, the met matter for a game of chicken, but this is the real quick we're in, this isn't real. it's happening in front of our mind. stronger. oh, yeah. i think so because i think 60 days is a very long time and way and we used to say a week is a long time in politics,

but it's 60 days as an awful long time in the g o. politics and. and they gave me a brush up, fails to respond properly to a series of very serious attacks on it's tara tray by nato powers. then again, russia, caesar's to be a great pop. now and, and johnson trump. i don't know whether the russians really have any great hope so trumps that have hope. so try them back in the 20162017. and i think they were very disappointed. they'll look at this administration that trump is put together and they going to be looking for where are the voices for pete's? i mean, trump sold himself at the beginning of the campaign, and then we have to remember this was at the beginning of the campaign when he was seeking the other bodies nomination. and he had to appeal to his base. he had to build a mag, a really hate of this, a ukraine, a venture. and he made all sorts of saved statements to them about lee with

a woman. does the neo cons, the people who could keep driving america into was, you know, he's gonna bring this, the ukraine war to an end result at the risk level 3. this of that of the beginning . and then he kind of levels evaporated once he, um, is the guild the nomination and then actually help mike john speaking my johnson, to a secure with the 100000000000 dollar aid package. so if you look at this trump team, you'd like to say, where is the somebody like a gun with douglas mcgregor and you'd be a voice for peace squares. uh, red grinnell. he also would probably be a voice with these um, with rand for he goes, it'll be a voice for peace. these people well there in, in the administrative people who will actually be involved in congress and making their own folks. this is all and it's on the ration f and mandates they. he was exactly the one person who was the point that really is unambiguously

a spokesman for mega. my day is use of life when a day is a significant bit chrome didn't expect any political capital to try to save him. the people have done so he got a full for him. he didn't. so okay, so if the russians are locating and then they're going to say, well, you know, and with this is going to be like of the savior reruns of a of the 1st that i'm, you know, yeah, he talks a good game. but when push comes to shove, he really doesn't doing very much. and that's why i think that the russians, you know, it's a thinking in terms of a, well, we better hold off because i think we're going to get this up. some of the great deal with the trump, i don't think they going to do that. i think they're going to the desk of websites . what's the best immediately? i think it's headache, the way things stand right now and things could change by the end of the day. the way things are changing is then, you know, we could kind of this what the baby here is. a trump is going to be a hawk on russia push for this a ceasefire, which will not happen because the russians one agree with that. um,

forward if i make the, um, uh, ukraine, some kind of fortress state and, but that no more funding due for an aggressive war. you know, i, i tell you that are taking mag the world around getting around. it doesn't make any sense because you know what? oh you didn't talk to the russians about it. okay, fine. but i think that's the, the, the, the, the treadmill they're on. right now. i'm go ahead. i'm ok. yes, yes. the problem we, we have classes all across about what trying to really to right if you're really talking about 2 questions, name in our guesses and what other questions guessing. right? so if i go back to the class and the door to lots to address just now because one of those emotions guessing, i agree with someone one thing i don't think they have, who but trump and they don't expect a great deal just because trump is coming into i agree, but i also believe they have reason to her to wait very strong responses because they don't know the opposite either. like, located as this empiric. if so, what are some leadership has already made up its mind that it actually will get all

the same? we have nothing to expect from the trump changed. why did it actually is try back in an extreme is trying man uh to was the 1st attack. i'm some send to them. the shuttled stone shuttle uses on russian territory. why did they do that? because there was funds the fastest bondsville survey was trained. it's even possible that the rash make the fire a new quote, right. but it did even have explosive. why? it's not just because nuclear, why it's, it's possible from the small crate as it left, that they just use kinetic warheads, which is the smallest thing you can possibly do in terms of destruction in which k m. but also teddy created a visual that was very, very old. i know that's the 2nd point, in which case we took care to have a minimum destruction maximum and demonstration effect. we don't know this yet, but this is one possibility of what they've done. well,

we don't know is that didn't strike po number, the didn't start visuals, but disney striker base in germany, they actually still acted in a very restrained way. right. and then the rest of us began, i want us again. so we have actually reason to think that the rest of the district does not believe it's all the same. i agree with george. i think the re is not dream of. so don't sit there and say go to, i'm just going to fix as far as he's a friend. of course not. but they have reason to think. if we wait for another 60 days, we might be playing in a more admin tejas environment. right. and one thing, the rushing leadership plus, telling us over the extent of this war and even beyond the crisis since 2014, that they're capable of long term planning very much. i'm like, oh and the vision is, you know, and george, this demonstration, it showed capacity, but it didn't show intent and i think that's very interesting. but i think it's very, it's look, it's going to be a very tedious over the next 2 months,

which i'll be talking to both of you multiple times during that time is that it's kind of like being in a relationship that said with someone that's lost their mind because you have to have to expect the unexpected and, and, and of course, in western audiences have never been told. is it this from russia's perspective, this is the next essential trip nato. this is the craven choice. that's the difference of the different sites. go ahead, george driving us. so that's a very important point because you just, if you watch the common for you all in the, the last few days. uh the goal is oh to jim is just uh sabre rattling, uh, bolt is just uh, last spring. we need to stand off the boat and we need to make clear to both jim that you know, you were not going to be intimidated by his sabre rattling, he may have nuclear weapons. we also have nuclear weapons. this is the gist of the

country. but they don't seem to appreciate that it's for russia, this is an existing troll massa. they already to escalate to whatever you know doing in nuclear weapons if necessary. and when it comes to the west, it no president, no residence since 1945. as it was said, that the board is in eastern europe, the regimes in eastern europe about a vital national interest leaving i just states, and one of the is, was sacrificing americans likes war. again, we saw what eisenhower in 1956 and hungry was lyndon johnson in 96 a to reject as the lack of ronald reagan in poland. in 1981, not one of these of the president said it is, was sacrificing american lives and to bring the day of the planet to the point of destruction. oh, but is it what happens that when he came to cuba, what happened in the american habits way? yes, but that most of the american president said, yes,

we are ready to go all the way up to a new clear, well, what these comment you said the rocker? yeah, it says the method is kind of common for it is also a rock. when you know defendant jeff gentlemen of the what i think is really dangerous, is that the cut ball in the, by the ministration. and they see this is the last chance to um, to contain and even break up russia and their dreams are, are in tatters, right? now i think that explains as wild as for a total re, a process in front of our eyes. it's now it's going into hope and hope dice gets dies 1st. and last in this case, by a gentleman that's all the time we have. i want to thank my guessing, budapest, and assemble, and of course, i want to thank our viewers for watching us here at archie cnx. some remember, across knuckles the,

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