the, the, the welcome to chrome, smartphones were all things are considered computer a little? what is biting a need to achieve escalating ukraine proxy war? oh, should we interpret rushes reaction? and finally, where is donald trump and all of this? we discuss these issues and more. i'm joined by my guess, door to samuel we in budapest, he's a pod, castro, and the guy goal which can be valid on youtube and locals, and, and assemble, we cross through fedex or omar. he is a historian and political commentator. right gentlemen. crosstalk rules and effects that means you can jump any time you want, and i always appreciated. okay, let's get off with georgian in budapest. so much can be settled about what's happened in the last 10 days or even a hard to begin to start. i suppose over all the anticipating the of the,

the trump administration, we up in for 60 days of new killer chicken. george of these could well be um, the little divider in administration as a or was it determined to escalate the conflict um in ukraine? i mean, i think there's 2 reasons for that. reason. obviously, 1st of all of the, you know, them really angry about the, the victory of donald trump in the humiliation that they just some of the hands of donald trump. and that's one to box the man. um, by the time he gets into power because it goes well, have a full scale war on his hands. 2 months is a long time. you've been doing both a lot of mischief in 2 months. but there's a depo of exclusive ration that plays here. and that way that goes back to what the americans strategy has been in this war and ukraine. and that is to

degrade, humiliate, and demoralizing defeats rush up. because all this, that these attacks, whether it's attack those, and even with these, with this drone insights, these are nato attacks, phone russians, era trick, or ukraine has not, doesn't have a means, the capability to launch long distance attacks. and russians are trips without the satellite technology information without uh, information about the flight bathrooms. all of this is done done by nature. so therefore, if the lead, so it gets into the situation whereby it'll rupture, just sit still and accept the laser has the right to it that russians killed russians on rough entire trip. then rush just these just to be a great power. russia then, is relegated the status of a north vietnam or the iraq, or a siri or libya, but good bones on a regular basis by the great powers. but they're only able to do anything. it's

a to retaliate. and i think that's what the, the goal is to just keep doing this or shouldn't say, well, look, russians unable to do anything about it like that. so i rushed already has to say, no, we, we, we finally got about a situation to go on. and they have said no, because they, they fired, that's a hypersonic ballistic missile, which is quite extraordinary. some of the images infinities, but it, dr. seen of it here. of teddy, are they the, this is what rest it does when the west escalates. they let me return the favor and, and i still think, well, the western powers, with the exception of the u. k, for some reason, hasn't really been able to digest and understand that russia will not tolerate this type of behavior and rushes changed it to new people. or doc, doctor and to a, to reflect that, i mean the, the, the west wants to escalate, rushes matched. that escalation, cutting. you know, i,

i think matching is exactly is a key term here, right? because when, when you look at what put in has been saying about this publicly onto the and then the address to the nation. and obviously the word key as stressed several times that the always be a response. make no mistake. and, but he is also use the web symmetric again and again, and sometimes he's used the word me, right? right. and so i think that's exactly the, the russian strategy right now is to respond. but in the, in a ways that exactly matches the best them escalation, but those up, the, and beyond that as it were, because i think george has the right one corner of the dilemma, right? that's what he is described the lemme lemme that based on strategy tries to impose investment is if you don't do anything visual media to provide a game to, to secondary, tertiary status in the international system as it mandates. but the other one of

the dilemma, of course, is if you do the wrong thing, may finally be able to, to activate the 4 or whatever it is of the optic of 5 of the made to treat the. and so everything they have a to you. now, don't get me wrong, i don't actually think nature wouldn't necessarily weight, but of course, whoever been such a large scale, right would always be a catastrophe for everybody, including 4 of us that nobody would be better off in the right. so that's a dilemma. i think, and i a for you, what russia is trying to do is always finding exactly the symmetric or the mirror in the calibrated response. no, no response, but some response and then has to match. yeah. but matching it, you know, like getting going to the realm of, of, of extreme danger, george, because i mentioned to you k, a few seconds ago. and they, these missiles that are being fired into russia, they're british. okay. they're,

they're manufactured, they're presumably the technicians along with it, using either their own or american satellite, a technology of this kind of the lead up to george. but if nato is going to attack russia, then russia may attack the country that is producing these missiles, killing russians. this is where we're going, george. i think so, and i think that in booting some speech um, a few and nights ago, he did specifically say that given the these ms laws are being uh, gonna be used by the british technicians or an error nato technicians, the late and majors providing the satellite technology of it effectively, nato is boeing, our tar trip. therefore, we feel that we can respond to a games, those countries on their temperatures who are providing the weapons for ukraine to

use the game starts. and that's, that's, that's as explicit as he's ever said. anything. we, again, a type, the territory of those powers that provide these, uh, these uh, missiles and this moves on technology to ukraine's. so that's a clear warning. and so i think the now that he has made this morning, then i, i think russia product will have to follow through. because if this does happen again, and i think it will happen again, then russia has to follow through. and then of course, it does raise the question, well, what happens then? now it goes, well, brittany will of go say, this is unprovoked aggression against us. and, you know, and, and then we'll go to nato and say, well, all the go 5, you know, that's a one for a, for one. we are all it was now with russia, but then it will of the nato powers say, because of a say, you know, this was clearly pro vote. and now they being dragged into a wall. a gave us the nuclear polyps when they had nothing to do with this attack.

so any way says the end up essentially, george, they hung guarantee they'll say, well what's in the home, jerry? and this little that what it's about there to direction is the music that's recognized, particularly when you, when you get civil, that the countries like hungary in slovakia and the czech republic, there will much closer to russia. and so they're going to say, well, they, we're going to get clobbered because of you. so science, but most things in i, i don't think this is the right time to solve invoking article 5 of the of course mode of course is invisible to time, right? absolutely. i'm not arguing for it. i'm but old george i, i agree most people to disagree and one point i read to 10 statement a tiny bit differently about i think it's important. as far as i understand, he said, the military installations of the powers that also address beat behind ukraine. v. and i'll be happy to write the plot of you if you have

a right to attack those. and i think the 2 important points. one is a media to installation can ready, but it'd be on the territory of us. and so certainly not. so with that out there, i completely agree with you. but it could also be on, for instance, territory of the nature of man. but some of the new and made to states which is i think, a very important zone. yeah. right. it's still natal don't get move on. that's due very dangerous. the other thing is, i think they have to take the residence of a seal receive and just say we have the right. because the vice, once i'm up like the be use this different here from best and pollutants menu here . rest on politicians say ukraine has the right then they mean ukraine must, your brain has the right to good intellectual. therefore, your brain must be got into nato. the russians don't seem to have the right so much more logical with the versions i say, because because they essentially reserving the option, right? but i still, we have a few, this doesn't take away the initial problem bridges,

then they never exercise the right, right. then they get demoted geopolitically. so the issue is still there. i'm just saying that at the point of decision, right, imagine another ukrainian stripe of attack comes right again into to the russian territory. at the point of decision, it seems to me that the russian leadership, fortunately, as reserved, it serves some room for maneuver them as wise. they're much more adult into the rooms and the best in this way. i see you. well, the that's, let's well, that's quite so because the problem is that by restraining themselves in the way they have for the past 3 years, they have encouraged nato to take one bold step off for another and to keep escalating so they can react, they, they run it from saw that were very cautious. oh, russia didn't react. yeah. so let's you know, up the, on to, oh, they still haven't reacted. okay, well, let's do this. as always, that by step,

you know, bring bringing in the, a abrams tanks, you know, the f 6 themes, the, you know, the pine on called him to the left. the high moslem, and on the inside comes, you know, at each step, you know, they were watching carefully will rush or respond now and what they want to do or the between the nc you're absolutely right. but i think it's the thing that you and i talked about earlier is that over this, the 3 years in, in watching rushes reaction to escalation. now we're at a point is that is a, a military base that is hit in the u. k. with warning, when you know, all of ours warning, getting your people out, you know, whatever up it's going to be kind of incumbent upon the u. k. government to say, well, this is an unprovoked attack, but what's the, all of this discussion? no one's gonna say, well, what did you expect a whole to this could happen because this is the look at it and it wouldn't be a dense nato. it'd be against the u. k. go ahead. george couple, we said no, i think that's the best one that's i think what will happen. and i think that it

will be a british military installation. then i think the russians will give advance warning . and yeah, the cause, the british government and the british media will screen that this was an unprovoked attack, but i don't think they'll be too many bias. elizabeth, i don't know if this has anything else. that's me. yes. you've had warning off the warning officer warning and, and you haven't paid any attention to it. so you've been, that's what i see russian territory and the 11th. right. so that's why i think the optically attempt to invoke article 5, what is i think do that. i don't think i, i think it'll be too many men later members page that will say no, i don't think so. i think we need to just cool things down it. well that's what we all know. halted cooler heads will prevail, that we've been asking that i've been praying for that for the last 3 years. all right, gentlemen, i'm going to jump in here. i'm going to go to a short break. and after that short break, we'll continue our discussion on some real new stay with our tea, the,

the one with the, for one of those little and so forth. us national move images on some ground squared amount on this one will do you much really watch the daily work done, which isn't going to do with me as well. when i go and still able to start using the thumbs here it is still bothering you, but let me hear when you push the issue of the

unbox remodeled and move up is to move. it will easy lives, mysterious. and when you go, i am sitting on the deal is make up the items. yeah. post the by the other was like, oh but i use the yeah, i'm just thinking and then you slice that. i mean 58 that i maybe cause it please go ahead and always communicate that. can you meet with a go up. nice unique names, but it just those we have the we have such all push mojitos to eulu most video and space. but i don't think he will display those funds will really tell me what your move, cuz if you want to spend these, these you particularly see i'm saying is up and then industrial images, the one and the other being needs to be done. see some list of worst of movies of his so in my hands, not old on the side of me. things like that on the top and that sort of the

welto metric role step, bullhorn time peter level here. we're discussing some real news take, let me go to you and assemble. this is the other side of this. very complicated equation is trump proofing nate, and um, boxing him into a corner. and you know, if he, again, looking at some of the people that are in the trunk or bit, we have very different ideas coming from them. everyone cut off the 8, you cut off the a, the war comes to an end. there are others are saying, no, wait, trump is going to end this. he's going to wonder escalades, and he's going to tell the russians to knock at all off. okay. i mean, you have very different extremes here. who is speaking for trump. what comes mind is we don't know. i think we're all this would agree. it's rather peculiar that the truck, uh trump, and is a medium circle. been really quite, quite mum on what's going on. right now. smell is that because of the logan ass and

all these kinds of things, we can discuss it. but i think it's, it's obvious the saying that the trump is being given to faith, complete his new administration. and we're going to have to deal with fax on the ground generated to, to the 2 months before and i'll get ration go ahead take, you know, i, i think just to write the term factor and to change of administration is very important. and what the bottleneck ministration is doing. i mean it's not just the attack comes permission, which is more than a permission, right? it's also the land mines and to present a land mines. it's a sanctions against gus, chrome bank, which is another very aggressive move. it's that they've gone all the way. i mean, blankets that he basically said bill going to push every dollar behalf out of the door before this is over right before bill. but, and the only thing that the restraining of them a tiny bit is that most of these dollars have to spend 15 stop parts of the pentagram and the stop parts like to. but they're taking every step, almost every step, almost that you can imagine to make things worse, right?

that a, it, i guess interrupt real quick here. can you explain to our audience? how does this approach help? ukraine does not do, but what that's the point they're making. it was for everybody else has been making it worse for your grand no, for over 2 years, everything they've done has just increased ukrainian sacrifice to, to bring and destruction. and of course, as onset and pull started with cost on russia and also to an extent on the investment type. this is across the something absolutely right. but she has to think, i don't think it's that easy to books in trump and all just talk about the drum proving either for on policy to them or to grant a to your print on a to as a whole. it's actually, i'm sorry, but that's misleading. in the dark forest, because the drum proves the elections, they've been not from, from the guns, from once, the guys in power. now the other point is, of course, correct. we don't know, but the collective trump is up to write the paper around him. now, did you decide

a little bit my go boards came out on the fox interview and was a tiny bit critical, so bite and move. donald trump, juno came out on x and was much more explicit against the by the restriction did was it comes, but i still agree with you. we have heard relatively negative. so we also to guess bought. so the russians. right. and i think one very important thing is that the rush from leadership eyes for you has good reasons, not to be too pessimistic about the incoming trunk from their perspective. and that is good news for us stupid, because it means that the russian dealership has an incentive not to let it serves, be lured into those very, very late few, but escalation, by the, by the midst of, i mean, the russians are looking at the store and they see the by doing this stuff and i'll gambling for every thing they have. but they also know you say 60 days is a long time. i agree. but on the other hand, it's only 60 days, right?

you get so this, you have another mazda of ok, a sped george. so much can happened in 60 days. it'd be about $2200.00. i mean, this is what makes this so dangerous right now because this really is, i mean, we use the, the met metaphor of a game of chicken. but this is the real quick. we're in, this isn't real. it's happening in front of our mind. stronger. no. yeah, i think so because i think 60 days is a very long island way and we used to say a week is a long time in politics, but it's 60 chases and all of a long time in geo politics. and, and they gave me a brush up, fails to respond properly to the series of very serious attacks on it's, tara tre, by nato power, is not a game rushes. these has to be a great pop. now it doesn't trump, i don't know whether the russians really have any great hope so trumps that have hope. so try them back in the 20162017. and i think they were very disappointed.

they'll look at this um, administration that trump is put together and they going to be looking for where are the voices for pete's? i mean, trump sold himself at the beginning of the campaign, and then we have to remember this was at the beginning of the campaign when he was seeking the other bodies nomination and he had to appeal to his base. he has to appeal to maggot up really hate of this, a ukraine, a venture. and he made all sorts of saved statements to them about lea, uh, with along the neo cons. the people who could keep driving america into was, you know, he's gonna bring this, the ukraine war to an end result at the risk level 3. this of that of the beginning . and then he kind of that will evaporate that once he, um, is the guild the nomination, and then actually help mike john speaking my johnson, to a secure with the 100000000000 dollar aid package. so if you look at this trump team,

you'd like to say, where is somebody like a gun on douglas mcgregor? you'd be a voice for peace squares. uh, red grinnell. he also would probably be a voice with these um, with rand for the, those it'd be a voice for peace. these be both. well, the, uh, in uh, in the administrative people who would actually be involved in congress and making their own folks. this is all and it's on the ration f and mandates they. he was exactly the one person who, who are with the a point that really is unambiguously a spokesman for mega mat day is use of life when a days a significant bit chrome didn't expect any political capital to try to save him. it people have done so he got a full for him. he didn't. so okay, so if the russians are locating and then they're going to say, well, well, you know, with this is going to be like of the savior reruns of a of the 1st i'm, you know, yeah, he talks a good game. but when push comes to shove, he really doesn't doing very much. and that's why i think that the russians,

and i know it's a thinking in terms of a well, we better hold off because i think we're going to get this up. some of the great deal with the trump, i don't think they going to do that. i think they're going to the desk of websites . what's the best immediately? i think kind of the way things stand right now and things could change by the end of the day. the way things are changing. and then, you know, we could kind of this what the baby here is. a trump is going to be a hawk on russia push for this a ceasefire, which will not happen because the russians one agree with it. um, for default to make the, um, uh, ukraine, some kind of fortress state and, but that no more funding due for an aggressive war. you know, i, i tell you that all taken mag the world around and around what it doesn't make any sense because you know what, oh, you didn't talk to the russians about it. okay, fine. but i think that's like the, the, the, the, the treadmills are on right now. and go ahead and hope he has pissed the problem we, we have classes all across about what trying to really to write. and we have really

talking about 2 questions, name in our guesses and what other questions guessing. right? so if i go back to the class and the door to lots to address just now because one of those emotions guessing, i agree with someone. one thing i don't think they have cool for trump and they don't expect a great deal just because trump is coming into. i agree. but i also believe they have reason to her to wait very strong responses because they don't know the opposite either. like, located as this empiric. if so what are some leadership has already made up its mind that it's absolutely all the same. we have nothing to expect from the trump changed. why did it actually is try back in the weeks to move this training manual to was a 1st attack. i'm some central them the shuttle stone shuttle uses on russian territory by did they do that? because there was funds the fast responsible survey was trained, it's even possible that they will resonate the fire

a new quote. right. but it could even have explosive. why? it's not as big of nuclear. why it's, it's possible from the small crate as it left, that they just use kinetic warheads, which is the smallest thing you can possibly do in terms of destruction, in which case it, but it also teddy created a visual that was very, very oh, i know that's the 2nd point, in which case they took care plan for making them destruction. my bas maximum and demonstration effect. we don't know as yet, but this is one possibility of what they've done. well, we don't know is to didn't strike pulling on the didn't side visual spit disney striker base in germany. they actually still active in a very restrained way. right. and then they have the rest of us began. i want us again. so we have actual reason to think that the rest of the district does not believe it's all the same. i agree with george. i think the re is not dream of. so don't sit then sink all the columbus going to fix as far as he's a friend. of course not,

but they have pleased to think if we wait for another 60 days, we might be playing in a more admin tejas environment. right. and one thing the russian leadership has told us was the extent of this war and even beyond the crisis since 2014, that they're capable of long term planning very much. i'm like, oh, i see this is, you know, in charge of this demonstration. it showed capacity, but it didn't show intent and i think that's very interesting. but i think it's very, it's look, it's going to be a very tedious over the next 2 months, which i'll be talking to both of you multiple times during that time is that it's kind of like being in a relationship that sub, with someone that's lost their mind because you have the, the, you have to expect the unexpected. and, and then of course, in western audiences have never been told, is it this, from russia's perspective, this is a next suspension trip nato. this is the craven choice. that's the difference of

the different sides. go ahead, george driving us. so that's a very important point because you just, if you watch the common free all in the, the last few days of the goal is oh to jim is just the saber rattling. bolton is just the last spring. we need to stand off the boat and we need to make clear to both jim that you know, we're not going to be intimidated by his saber rattling. he may have nuclear weapons. we also have nuclear weapons. this is the gist of the country, but they don't seem to appreciate the age for russia. this is an existing troy massett. they already to escalate to whatever you know doing in nuclear weapons if necessary. and when it comes to the west, it no president, no residence since 1945. as it was said, that the board is in eastern europe,

the regimes in eastern europe, a matter of vital national interest, the limited states, and one of the is, was sacrificing americans, likes war again with solar eisenhower in 1956 and hungry was the lyndon johnson in 196 a to reject as the lack of ronald reagan, it bo lived in 1981. not one of these of the president said it is, was sacrificing american lives and to bring the planet to the point of destruction . oh, but is it what happens that when he went to cuba, what happened in the american habits? we yeah, so that model of the american president said, yes, we are ready to go all the way up to a new, clear what, what movies, comment. you said that they're off the rocker. yeah. that was kind of common for it is also a rock. you know, defendant jump gentlemen of the, what i think is really dangerous. is that the come ball out in the, by the administration and they see this is the last chance to um, to contain, didn't even break up russia and their dreams are, are in tatters. right?

now i think that explains as wild as for a total rate, a process in front of our eyes. it's now it's going into hope and hope dice. i guess guys 1st and last, in this case, by a gentleman that's all the time we have. i want to thank my guests in budapest and assemble, and of course, i want to thank our viewers for watching us here at r t c. and if someone remember across knuckles, the release of the russian states never as tight as one of the most sense community. most all sense and the same assist, you must be the one else. suppose question about this, even though we will fan in the european union,

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