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[000:00:00;00] the hello and welcome to cross ok. we're all things are considered. i'm peter lavelle. joe biden is in legacy mode. he has less than 2 months to leave his historical mark to be remembered for being unpaid for office and being one of the engineers of the palestine genocide, to cap it all off. we can add kamikaze joe playing a game of new killer chicken with russia,

the the processing vitamins, legacy. i'm joined by my guess, wilmer leone in washington. he's a political sciences author and a radio talk show host in seattle. we have sarah bills. she is a former u. s. navy service member, a geo political analyst, and one of the most of the geo politics. and in montreal, we crossed the angler. he is a canadian foreign policy institute fellow, also a journalist as well as an author. alright, comstock rules and effect, that means you can jump any time you want. and i always appreciate, sarah, let me go to you 1st since you got up early as for the program, much appreciated in seattle and i was thinking about doing this program sunday morning. my time, which means much earlier than the western world, and by the time i was putting it together, the sunday shows happened in the united states. we had people like michael waltz and the sebastian gorka. oh, good gorka. whatever his name is he's we, we needs to be referred to his doctor all the time i realized. and then, you know,

everything is, is, is um, goes into collision. i mean, what is the biden administration trying to do, exiting power? what is it trying to do to the trump people, and do the trump people seem to be going along with it. can you one ravel all of this because this time last week? is it biting this, trying to sabotage trump? it seems like the incoming trump team seemed to be in hand in hand with the outgoing administration as well. i think that with trump, he's not too concerned about anything. geo, political or moral. it's more about his evaluation of december decisions through a business ones. um to me, crane looks like a bad deal, but i think he's waiting to hear the terms. because the united at the end of the day, the united states has filed over $100000000.00 into this conflict with no and then side. so do we leave with and kind of like our wounds and kind of cut our losses or do we continue and most influential voice is like you one must girl,

and joe rogan are also in his ear and amplifying public opposition, which sort of makes you create a 5050 for the trump out and then i would think, well my, what do you think about it? because sebastian, go to, i don't, it was a given permission to go out and say, the bombastic things that he did mean he came out on the sunday shows more bombastic than anyone in the but a bite in ministration over the last 3 years. a. well, i think what this demonstrates is we have a tendency to think in binary terms as though it's biting versus trump when in fact, this is american foreign policy. and trump being the transactional type of individual that he is. he doesn't really have a grounded ideological world view. so who knows what in the world he's thinking? and on the bite and side, i think what they have decided to do is compress their timeline. the things that they were planning to do, say in february, march or april. now that they're on their way out. they are trying to get all of

this in probably by the end of november or the middle of december, trying to be sure that they box the trump administration, into a militarism that it least as it relates to ukraine and russia. he'd probably rather not do. but again, i think we also always have to remember it's american foreign policy. it's not necessarily wedded to or dictated by a particular administrator. well, it's a good point, even montreal. so let me see if i get this straight here. we have a failed bite and policy when it comes to ukraine. they just wanna make sure trumps policy on ukraine is just as much a failure. that's what i'm getting from here. go ahead. you've a yeah, i don't know that they considered a failure. they, they see a fight and to last ukrainian as a potential success. they see the, this is weakening rocks is still and they see lots of profits through the military

industrial complex. so, so i'm not sure that their assessment is exactly uh our assessment. but, but i think that there's, it will be a certainly a feeling for ukraine that's, that's, that's for sure. and, uh, and this potentially increasingly can be a failure for all of humanity with the, with the ass. good estimate, tory uh, decision. but uh, but clearly, i mean divided ministration. you with what they're planning to do a way they've already done it, planning to do it with a 6000000000 more and arms of the damage. and so we're trying to send their they, they think this, this can keep going for a long time and they think that i think not incorrectly, that's a drop may just, you know, more or less continue along the same path with whatever dangers that has for ukrainians and, and for the world, you know, sarah, in a, i think was 2 new cycles ago. and then new york times in an article about the

situation that with the exiting administration and the new administrator and coming in. because casually mentioned that, you know, there's, there's talk within whitehouse circles, but maybe giving nuclear weapons to ukraine is a possibility. if it was mentioned in such a casual wayne say though it could be kind of problem magic and complicated. i mean, this is insanity and it wasn't the headline. nobody was talking about it on table, but it was in print is if this is just another one of these options here. this is outrageous, sarah. i just feel like it's a way to for washington to kind of wash their hands and absolve themselves of this situation. kind of leave name or europe with the bag or europe with, with holding up. uh, the, the nato, mary, or the new a foreign policy out there. we also have to remember, trump loves a good narrative, so he could utilize this as a profit or kind of as a propaganda or

a moral victory. he could allow joe biden to continue playing chicken with, with, uh, russia and putin. and then when he comes in here, sort of unravel all of this and, you know, i'm the peace maker. i find that, well, i know, but sarah, sarah, you know, we, it's often said, you know, a week in politics is a lifetime 5 weeks. what is that? okay. i mean, you can, you can causative norm is the amount of mischief in the next 5 weeks. wilmer and washington, that's what i really worry about because we, we, we finally got the official word that the, the, the ukrainians, consumed in nato weapons, american, british, french, using nato forces personnel intelligence to strike into russia. then the russians responded with their hazel, mis, always, or they're calling it in english. we're in the middle of something, we're not at the end of something. go ahead. you know this, this could very well be the beginning of the end. and i think it's also important

to include in, in your, in your explanation here that you're now hearing more rhetoric coming out of europe . limone is reporting now that the europeans are talking about war. the europeans are talking about european business must prepare now to be on a war footing. you've got this dutch add more rob bower. i step step uh say, saying these types of jingle was taking this militaristic rhetoric. and now they're even trying to flip the narrative and say that russia is weaponized in energy seeming to totally ignore. it was called what the north stream pies one i think is what the united states blew up. tom. so there's, there's, there's this whole battle of the narrative, which tells me that they're trying to shift the focus. they're trying to shift the

basis of reality. so the people i guess are trying to prepare folks for an escalation of this conflict and that it was just one other quick point. they seem to be too confusing the restraint of russia and the restraint of china with fear. and that is a huge mistake because i don't know the president, she is bluffing, and i don't know the president put in his blessing. well, if i mean that, that's, that's a theme, but it's often on this program is the battle of narratives. i mean, you know, well, that's fine, that's a, it's another word for propaganda. but if, if, if you're basing your decision making a narratives you can get, find yourself in a very bad place. what about reality? go ahead eve. yeah, well i, we see that here in, in canada indicating government, we see a, they have completely bought into all of this stuff. they've stated about this as the 1st time. uh, european wars are being changed. this is

a moral crusade. this is all, no, no, no. the former yugoslavia was the 1st time since the 2nd world war. the reporters were changed. of course i need. oh this is natal convention that's taking place in montreal. this, this week was big protests for, uh, 334 days over the weekend. and, uh, the, the, they still playing this as a defensive alliance all over the defense of allies. and if they didn't bomb, it'd be as if it didn't war. i've gotta stand obviously, yugoslavia so, but they, this is, this is popularly believed and i, and i actually have been just to, to go my mind to you believe this i, i don't, i'm sure who some of his advisors know this is just rhetoric but, but the the, the narrative is basically in canada, for instance, it is over wyoming. there is old descent of any sense that we up of august and we did this press conference on monday here,

outside of the end of this data convention. and this reporter for the last past, the one of the corporate daily shows of and he, he just could not accept that vladimir, who wasn't the devil, and we, everything is on the blood of it. why don't we put, natal hasn't put any role in any of this stuff. and so, um, even with all of the horrors that we're seeing us in canada back in a, in guys, uh, they still basically believe that nato is just, uh, they know of us with just these little bit angels just trying to, oh yeah, i mean it's, it's sarah, i mean, is it just let me check here? i mean, i, i live in moscow. i mean, i, i haven't heard that. russia is lobbying missiles into canada in the united states and the united kingdom. but nato is doing that in its own technology and weapons are of our heating russian installations. i mean there's, there's no parity here. i'm just commenting on what you've had to say. i mean, i'm who's a war with home. go ahead sarah. it's clear what's going on, and since we've even been on here, there's been

a confirmation from the russian ministry of defense about those they've had, quote, call them ballistics prior, but in the quarter street, and those were actually attack, them's long range missile. so this is a confirmation of an escalation, so it's very clear that nato is playing the game and i wouldn't, i mean, there are, you haven't seen muscles in the united states and canada yet. yeah. so yeah, i mean, it, it's really interesting is that to this day, may co claims it is not involved in the conflict. it's really quite extraordinary. i mean, it's gotten nato written all over it. ok, but we're going to talk about how this works out for ukraine after our break. after that break, we're going to continue our discussion on biden's foreign policy legs. we stay with our team.

the the us in 1941. the radical right wing was stone show organization seized power and from the independent state of croatia, pull on 3 named tense, which kind of a problem with it's still a system of these 3. i mean, one of the main targets was children. historical sources say the gosh kills over 72000 children business it my god, they have done a roll of nose up that of course i say, you know, they may have done one up front that we have just done with general just the goal of bc. on again,

that is not even the germans themselves are horrified by the atrocities committed by the stash reflection of that. so there's a lot to deal with. only staying at a theme is at least our own stuff to possibly be tight and not to allow me to research on the the welcome ect, across stock where all things are considered on peter roosevelt you mind you were discussing biden's foreign policy, legacy the okay is go back to wilma in washington. what all of this pastoring that's going on . and i, i actually looked at the coverage of what was going on in canada over the weekend.

and again, some narratives count, but reality is most important in the reality for ukraine isn't highlighted enough. i mean, all of this is technically in ukraine's defense for its protection. but ukraine is, is getting smaller and smaller, more and more ruined. and more and more of its trips do not want to fight a gallop poll. not a ukrainian poll, not a russian pole. a gallop poll that says over 50 percent of people pulled, want this conflict to come to an end. but lindsey graham says it's going to make america rich wilmont. it's funny you mention that because as you were speaking, my thought was obviously nobody polled lindsey graham because he doesn't believe she to keep the simple yvette narrative. um, this is, this is, i think, really one small chest piece in, in the brzezinski is grand chest board. and it,

russia is that ukraine is kind of the, the test bed. it, it really now doesn't appear to be the president prudent, who has this grand vision of bringing the band back together and reclaiming the former soviet republics. it seems to be the united states through nato, trying to de industrialize europe in trying to use europe and countries as new markets for american energy. and this is just the 1st uh yeah, but uh, again, that's a very interesting argument and it's been around for a while. but it, it, there is some flaws in it. okay. yeah, americans want to, they want to capture european markets. but if you cut off and a cheap energy supplies, then those markets are less valuable. the people are poor and they won't be able to buy the stuff people on and send them. i mean, at the, at the, at the same base then i, i agree. what i'm just saying is that this is,

this is often mentioned here, but europe is not the winner and you're not going to get the consumers that you want, at least from the american perspective. i mean, it, it really is a self defeating in many ways. i mean, obviously the in the united states, what state? well, in right now, and one of the biggest outcomes of this whole complex is how subservient europe is become to the united states. i can remember when the europeans had a different position on, uh, your rack on palestine, all of that is evaporated here, which makes it more dangerous because they're just going to do with the american say they should do. you know, if one of the, you know, the, there's a new military base and they told me it military base in poland. the russians have already said they could be a target if this escalation continues. i believe the yeah, i believe them too. uh, but i do, i do uh, basically believe the washington has been, uh,

successful on the level of as of warranty, uh, western europe to, to it's, uh, control. and i think that, that what we see, you know, that this needle proxy or has, has really helped in that. i don't believe that. i don't believe this business about ukraine being really valuable for resources. and not that being a major motivation. i, i do believe that subordinate, the west of europe to us. geo political aids is, is a success. and you're right. i mean, you know, you, to the extent to which they've all gone along with backing of the genocide jose, uh, horrors and guys, uh, uh, is it is an indication of that. uh and obviously also this sort of kind of where to send troops to ukraine to differentiate talking about this is all just kind of lashing out there. they're realizing how much they've been kind of, uh, boxed in france and others have it boxed in,

in terms of following us policy units. it's actually pretty uh, pretty embarrassing and, and i also really dangerous the fact that they can't seem to get out of a, out of this. but so, so in that sense, i think the u. s. has had some high, some major successes. again, is vito a terrible, horrible for ukrainians? and i also think it's bad for french and the more well hey, if you know what, when you know, we still hear these ridiculous talking point is it's the save and protect ukraine's democracy. well, there's no democracy there. it hasn't been there for a very long time with a it's calling card is corruption. this war is made the corruption, even worse. so, you know, sarah, you know where the europeans, but they get to elect officials about tom. this war they've never been able to given, given that opportunity. they, they will kick out people that support the war. i mean, democracy doesn't even work in europe when it comes to this. oh,

absolutely not. we've heard on alina there voc mentioned that we don't care about your opinions, we'll do what we want. and then we're starting to see sort of this for vast form between western europe in eastern europe. and we can see exactly as you both mentioned the how much under control west, such as the central in western europe are under the united states of america. it's pretty interesting to see. we know that all world world start with germany, a rise in germany and relationship with russia and this one is no different. and they, we, you guys have mentioned the energy north stream and all of that and, and everything was just to put western europe back under the, the american system. yeah, it was a kate the. well, in this case, you know, there was the old frame praise during the cold war. keep the russians out, the germans down, and the americans in, well, it's to keep the russians down and out and keep the germans down and how it in americans a likely, i think that's the new and that, you know, water has nothing to do with audiology. i mean, i, you know, most of us here with our, our young female against you. but the rest of us are children of the cold war that

we believed it. okay. but apparently that isn't true anymore. okay. never was true, apparently warmer and it's interesting. the new doctrine that the russians have come out with is that expanding its nucular doctrine, a non nucular countries that are supplying, being supplied with weapons by nuclear power now can be targets. and i, and i'm only giving my own personal opinion right here. but since the british are so loud mouth, about their participation and all this, i could well imagine when are there basis to get a get a call when say you got 2 hours, you got a clear out and your article 5, you can explain it to your own people, you're still gone, know the kill russians with your missiles. maybe the russians will return the favor . go ahead. invoke article 5. i don't think your people good to go along with it. go ahead and washington. well, i don't think that this whole needle article 5 d o is really frightening. anybody

for anybody particularly in, in russia, and just to piggyback on a, on a point that you, that we were engaged in a little earlier. that never under estimate the blindness that attends arrogance. and what i think we're seeing here is in, in is an arrogant west. and the, the, the european elite have, i think, are in a different space than the europeans. and the european people are the ones that are going to be really victim victimized in the vista radio. it's when these muscles start flying, they are the ones that have to go into the street, and they are the ones that are going to have to take control of their countries. and because of the parliamentary systems in many of these countries, it'll be easier for them to do then to do awfully that we have here in the united states. but once these missiles start flying, i think that's when the european people versus the european elite are going to

start pouring into the street and saying, we've had enough of this, but only i really imagined, i really hope that would happen. but let me go to eve here. i mean, these publics are so propagandized, you know, it'd be, you know, they would appear as morgan had the most ridiculous debate on his podcast. i hate to even kind of promoted, but it was really just ridiculous. no historical references are made the mince process, nato expansion mean these audiences are so propagandized, they have no facts to grapple with and it and, and because you want to be popular, you just go along with what the, the powerful say, i mean, this is a real challenge of, of informing people that's the purpose of this program actually go heavy. i, i completely agree. i mean, you know, i think it's probably not quite as bad in some of the european countries as it is in canada for instance. but it's, it's absolutely started the, the math,

vast majority of people who claim to be even informed. pay attention to the issue have literally, they don't even know what makes the court was i, i interviewed politicians, i ukraine events, a politician from a left wing party here and come back. and he literally did not know what i was talking about. yeah. and he's come out, he's on the stage where bit of back you came to the end of this kind of rhetoric. you just don't really know how to start in, in, in dealing with that. so the, the political structures mean principally the media and this make it incorrectly difficult to, to overcome that. but you know, it is possible. and i do also think that one of the things we're seeing here in montreal like this opposition to israel genocide and guys of which has been really significant. while we saw over the weekend with the nato summit, as we saw people who been mobilized around palestine broadening their, their, their views and taking on nato. and we have the 1500 people march on the data

assignments. and, you know, some windows are broken and stuff like that, but it was a, it was, you know, so successful sense that there is some broadening of, of consciousness about, you know, imperialism k for our policy, the question nato. will that be enough that the political structures in europe and the people are able to, uh, you know, break free from that before we, we delve into something incredibly horrible. i don't, i don't know, but um, but i think that there's no doubt that people are just completely propagandized on the, on all these issues. you know, a, a, i'm sorry sarah. um and looking like again and made reference to about the the sunday shows and how well um, bombastic. uh these trump appointees are um, you know, just kind of very general question. i've asked it before on this program, and i think it's worth asking again. why is it seems like every time americans vote for a president,

they end up with john mccain or the ghost of john mccain is the he, you know, he, the stench of, of john mccain will never go away so long as the c panel is likely. yeah, okay, one minute sarah allows me to make sure i was just reading the lecture about color revolutions and i saw john mccain and then i looked at george and i was like were member, be rid of this man. so it's funny that you say that his back again. so yes, john mccain, it's the unit party. it's that john mccain was such a great example of how the 2 parties sort of overlap and can kind of vote for it and work together in foreign policy. so i love that you picked the john mccain because he was sort of the middle of the aisle god. well, i mean the, let's see, let's see when you know, when there's bipartisanship in washington, that's means you have to grab your wall with close your bank account. and run out the door because with these people it's, they only get together on the most evil things. ok. the john mccain was that he was

evil incarnate. okay. it's truly amazing. and i can grab here until you want to. i have to finish right now. but i guarantee you will be talking about his ghost for a very, very long time. that's all the time we have. i want to take my guess in washington, montreal, and seattle. and of course, i want to thank our viewers for watching us here at r t. so you next time, remember, cross circles the, the

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