playing a game of new killer chicken with russia, the crust sucking vitamins, legacy. i'm joined by my guess, wilmer leone in washington. he is a political scientist author and a radio talk show host in seattle. we have sarah bills. she is a former u. s. navy service member, a geo political analyst, and one of the hosts of the geo politics. and in montreal, we cross the eve angler. he is a canadian foreign policy institute fellow, also a journalist as well as an author. all right, cross talk roles in effect, that means you can jump any time you want. and i always appreciate it, sir. let me go to you 1st since you got up early as for the program, much appreciated in seattle, and i was thinking about doing this program sunday morning my time, which means much earlier than the western world. and by the time i was putting it together, the sunday shows happened in the united states. we had people like, like a waltz and a sebastian gorka over the gorka, whatever his name is, he's we,

we need to, we refer to his doctor all the time. i realize and then you know, everything is, is, is um, goes into collision. i mean, what is the biden administration trying to do, exiting power? what is it trying to do to the trump people and do the trump, people seem to be going along with it. the new one ravel all of this because this time last week is a bite in this trying to sabotage trump. it seems like the incoming trump team seem to be in hand in hand with the outgoing administration as well. i think that with trump, he's not too concerned about anything geo, political or moral. it's more about his evaluation of december decisions through a business ones to me you cry and looks like a bad deal. but i think he's waiting to hear the terms because the united at the end of the day, the united states has funneled over 100000000 dollars into this conflict with no and then side. so do we leave with and kind of look our wounds and cut a cut our losses or do we continue and most influential voice is like you one must

girl, and joe rogan are also in his ear and ample sign. public opposition, which sort of makes you create a 5050 for the trump out and then i would think, well my, what do you think about it? because sebastian, go to, i don't, it was a given permission to go out and say, the bombastic things that he did mean he came out on the sunday shows more bombastic than anyone in the but a bite in ministration over the last 3 years. a. well, i think what this demonstrates is we have a tendency to think in binary terms as though it's bite and versus trump, when in fact, this is american foreign policy. and trump being the transactional type of individual that he is. he doesn't really have a grounded ideological world view. so who knows what in the world he's thinking? and on the bite and side, i think what they have decided to do is compress their timeline. the things that they were planning to do, say in february,

march or april. now that they're on their way out. they are trying to get all of this in probably by the end of november or the middle of december, trying to be sure that they box the trump administration, into a militarism that it least as it relates to ukraine and russia. he'd probably rather not do. but again, i think we also always have to remember it's american foreign policy. it's not necessarily wedded to or dictated by a particular administrator. well, it's a good point, even montreal. so um, let me see if i get this straight here. we have a failed bite in policy when it comes to ukraine. they just wanna make sure trumps policy on ukraine is just as much a failure. that's what i'm getting from here. go ahead, you've or yeah, i don't know the vacancy or the failure they, they see a 5 to last ukrainian as a potential success. they see the,

this is weakening rocks is still and they see lots of profits through the military industrial complex. so so i'm not sure that their assessment is exactly. 2 our assessment but, but i think that there is, it will be a certainly a feeling for ukraine that's, that's, that's for sure. and uh, and this is potentially increasingly be a failure for all of humanity with the, with the ass. good estimate, tory uh, decision. but uh, but clearly, i mean divided ministration. uh, you know, with what they're planning to do a way they've already done it, planning to do it with a 6000000000 more in arms of them. and so we're trying to send their they, they think this, this can keep going for a long time and they think that i think not incorrectly, that's a trump may just, you know, more or less continue along the same path with whatever dangers that has for ukrainians and, and for the world, you know, sarah, in and i think was 2 new cycles ago. and then new york times in an article about me

situation that with the exiting administration in the new administrator and coming in, just casually mentioned that, you know, there's, there's talk within whitehouse circles, but maybe giving nuclear weapons to ukraine is a possibility is it was mentioned in such a casual way and say though it could be kind of problem magic and complicated. i mean, this is insanity. and it wasn't the headline. nobody was talking about it on table, but it was in print to zip. this is just another one of these options here. this is outrageous, sarah. i just feel like it's a way to for washington to kind of wash their hands and absolve themselves of this situation. kind of leave name or europe with the bag or europe with withholding of, uh, the, the nato. nary or the nato, a foreign policy out there. we also have to remember, trump loves a good narrative. so he could utilize this as a proper dirt kind of as

a propaganda or a moral victory. he could allow joe biden to continue playing chicken with, with uh, russia and putin. and then when he comes in, he can sort of unravel all of this and, you know, i'm the peace maker. i find that, well, i know, but sarah, sarah, you know, we, it's often said, you know, a week in politics is a lifetime 5 weeks. what is that? okay, i mean you can, you can causative norm is the amount of mischief in the next 5 weeks, wilmer and washington. that's what i really worry about because we, we, we finally got the official word that the, the, the ukrainians, consumed in nato weapons. american, british, french, using nato forces personnel intelligence to strike into russia. then the russians responded with their hazel missiles, they're calling it in english. we're in the middle of something, we're not of the end of something. go ahead. you know this, this could very well be the beginning of the end. and i think it's also important

to include in, in your, in your explanation here that you're now hearing more rhetoric coming out of europe . limone is reporting now that the europeans are talking about war. the europeans are talking about european business must prepare now to be on a war footing. you've got this dutch add more rob bower. i step step on say, saying these types of jingle was taking this militaristic rhetoric. and now they're even trying to flip the narrative and say that russia is weaponized in energy seeming to totally ignore. it was called what the north stream pies one i think is what the united states blew up time. so there's, there's, there's this whole battle of the narrative, which tells me that they're trying to shift the focus. they're trying to shift the

basis of reality. so the people i guess are trying to prepare folks for an escalation of this conflict and that it was just one other quick point. they seem to be too confusing the restraint of russia and the restraint of china with fear. and that is a huge mistake because i don't know the president, she is bluffing, and i don't know the president put in his bluffing. if i mean that, that's, that's like a theme, but it's often on this program is the battle of narratives. i mean, you know, but it's fine. that's a, it's another word for propaganda. but if, if, if you're basing your decision making a narrative, you can get, find yourself in a very bad place. what about reality? go ahead eve. yeah, well i, we see that here in, in canada indicating government we see a they have completely bought into all of this stuff. they stated about this as the

1st time uh, european bores are being changed. this is a moral cruise. say this is all no, no, no. the former yugoslavia was the 1st time since the 2nd world war. the reporters were changed. of course i need to do this needle convention that's taking place in montreal. this, this week was big protests for, uh, 334 days over the weekend. and, uh, the, the, they still playing this as a defensive alliance all over the defense of allies, as if they didn't bomb. it'd be as if it didn't war. i've gotta stand obviously, yugoslavia so, but they, this is, this is popularly believed and i, and i actually have been just the true to my mind to you believe this, i don't, i'm sure who some of his advisors know this is just rhetoric but, but the, the the narrative is basically in canada for instance, it is over whelming, there is old descent of any sense that we of august and we do this press

conference on monday here, outside at the end of this needle, a convention. and this reporter for the last past, the one of the corporate daily shows up and he just could not accept that. vladimir, who wasn't the devil and we everything is on the lot of it. why didn't put natal hasn't put any role in any of this stuff. and so you've been with all of the horrors that were seeing the us and canada by in a, in guys. uh, they still basically believe that nato is just, uh, native of us would just be 0. the angels just trying to, oh yeah, i mean it's, it's sarah. i mean, is it just let me check here. i mean, i, i live in moscow. i mean, i, i haven't heard that russia is lobbying missiles into canada, in the united states and the united kingdom. but nato is doing that in its own technology and weapons. are of our heating russians installations. i mean, there's, there's no parity here. i'm just commenting on what you've had to say. i mean, i'm who's a war with home. go ahead sarah. it's clear what's going on and,

and since we've even been on here, there's been a confirmation from the russian ministry of defense about those. they've had, quote, call them ballistics prior, but in the quarter scrooge and those were actually attack, them's long range missiles. so this is a confirmation of an escalation. so it's very clear that nato is playing the game and i wouldn't, i mean, there, you haven't seen muscles in the united states and canada yet. yeah, so yeah, i mean, it, it's really interesting is that to this day, nato claims it is not involved in the conflict. it's really quite extraordinary. i mean, it's got nato written all over it. ok, but we're going to talk about how this works out for ukraine. after our break, after that break, we're going to continue our discussion on biden's foreign policy legs. we stay with our team the

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ukraine. ukraine crane pressure truce invited to crane names, loan display, test, ukraine suffering from russian. the glaciers replacing the main stream media and the nightly numerous were citing clean developed scripts that essentially say exactly the same thing. using the buzz words of this as a threat to our democracy. when you see 10 different channels, exactly that sentence, you know that it's the central intelligence agency script. the role of p r firms. did ukraine throughout europe into united states really can be overstated. it's quite different and it wasn't previous decades where there used to be more of a culver role of propaganda, government propaganda operations. now, this is just celebrated as p r in helping ukraine and helping get their message out to the case who's pulling the strings and who is profiting the

welcome act across stock were all things are considered on peter roosevelt you mind you were discussing biden's foreign policy legacy the okay is go back to wilma in washington. what all of this pastoring that's going on . and i, i actually looked at the coverage of what was going on in canada over the weekend. and again, narratives count, but reality is most important in the reality for ukraine isn't highlighted enough. i mean, all of this is technically in ukraine's defense for its protection. but ukraine is, is getting smaller and smaller, more and more ruined, and more and more of its troops. do not want to fight a gallop poll, not a ukrainian poll. not a russian poll, a gallop poll,

that says over 50 percent of people pulled. want this conflict to come to an end, but lindsey graham says it's going to make america rich wilmont. it's funny you mention that because as you were speaking, my thought was obviously nobody polled lindsey graham, because he does a ballistic. to keep the simple yvette narrative. um this is, this is i think really one small chest piece in, in the brzezinski is grand chest board and it russia and that ukraine is kind of the, the test bed. it, it really now doesn't appear to be the president prudent, who has this grand vision of bringing the band back together and reclaiming the former soviet republics. it seems to be the united states through nato, trying to de industrialize europe in trying to use europe and countries

as new markets for american energy. and this is just the 1st um yeah, but uh again, that's a very interesting argument and it's been around for a while. but it, it, there is some flaws in it. okay. yeah, americans want to, they want to capture european markets. but if you cut off a cheap energy supplies, then those markets are less valuable. the people are poor and they won't be able to buy the stuff people on and send them. i mean, at the, at the, at the same age then i, i agree. what i'm just saying is that this is, this is often mentioned here, but europe is not the winner and you're not going to get the consumers that you want, at least from the american perspective. i mean, it, it, it, it, it really is a self defeating in many ways. i mean, obviously the in the united states, what state? well, right now, and one of the biggest outcomes of this whole complex is how subservient europe is . we come to the united states, i can remember when the europeans had

a different position on, uh, your rack on palestine. all of that is a back rated here, which makes it more dangerous because they're just going to do with the american say they should do. you know, if one of the, you know, the, there's a new military base and they told me it military base in poland. the russians have already said they could be a target if this escalation continues. i believe the yeah, i believe them too. uh, but i do, i do uh, basically believe the washington has been, uh, successful on the level of as of warranty, uh, western europe to, to it's, uh, control. and i think that, that what we see, you know, that this needle proxy or has, has really helped in that. i don't believe that. i don't believe this business about ukraine being really valuable for resources. and not that being a major motivation. i, i do believe that subordinate, the west of europe to us geo political aims is, is

a success. and you're right. i mean, you know, you do the extent to which they've all gone along with backing of the genocide. jose, uh, whores and guys, uh, uh, is it is an indication of that, uh, and obviously also this sort of, kind of where to send troops to ukraine to differentiate talking about this is all just kind of lashing out there. they're realizing how much they've been kind of, uh, boxed in france and others have it boxed it in terms of following us policy. it is, it's actually pretty, pretty embarrassing and, and i also really dangerous the fact that they can seem to get out of, out of this. but so, and so in that sense, i think the u. s. has had some, has some major successes. again, it's due to a terrible, horrible for ukrainians, and i also think it's bad for french and the more well, you know, what we, you know, we still hear these ridiculous talking point is it's the save and protect ukraine's

democracy. well, there's no democracy there. it hasn't been there for a very long time with a it's calling card is corruption. this war is made the corruption, even worse. so, you know, sarah, you know, where the europeans, the big it to elect officials about tom this war they've never been able to given, given that opportunity. they, they will take out people that support the war. i mean democracy doesn't even work in europe when it comes to this or. oh, absolutely not. we've heard on alina there. zach mentioned that we don't care about your opinions, we'll do what we want. and then we're starting to see sort of this for boss form between western europe in eastern europe. and we can see exactly as you both mentioned the how much under control west as the central and western europe are under the united states of america. it's pretty interesting to see, we know that all world world start with germany, a rise in germany and relationship with russia and this one is no different. and

they, we, you guys have mentioned the energy in north stream and all of that and, and everything was just to put western europe back under the, the american system. yeah, it was a kate the way in this case, you know, there was the old frame phrase during the cold war. keep the russians out, the germans down, and the americans in, well, it's to keep the russians down and out and keep the germans down and how it in americans. and i think, i think that's the new and that, you know, water has nothing to do with audiology. i mean, i, you know, most of us here with our, our young female gets here. but the rest of us are children of the cold war that we believed it. okay, but apparently that isn't true anymore. okay, never was true apparently, homer and it's interesting, the new doctrine that the russians have come out with is it expanding its nucular doctrine? a non nucular countries that are supplying, being supplied with weapons by nuclear power now can be targets. and i, and i'm only giving my own personal opinion right here. but since the british are

so loud mouth, about their participation and all this, i could well imagine when are there basis. i'll get a, get a call when say you got 2 hours, you got a clear out and your article 5, you can explain it to your own people. you're still gone, know the kill russians with your missiles. maybe the russians will return the favor . go ahead, invoke article 5. i don't think your people get to go along with it. go ahead and washington. well, i don't think that this whole nato article 5 deal is really, really frightening. anybody, anybody particularly in, in russia and just to piggyback on a, on a point that you, that we were engaged in a little earlier. that never under estimate the blindness that attends arrogance. and what i think we're seeing here is in, in, is an arrogant west. and the, the, the european elite have, i think, are in a different space than the europeans. and the european people are the ones that are

going to be really big victimized in this rate. it's when these muscles start flying, they are the ones that have to go into the street, and they are the ones that are going to have to take control of their countries. and because of the parliamentary systems in many of these countries, it'll be easier for them to do then to do awfully that we have here in the united states, or once these missile star fly. and i think that's when the european people versus the european elite are going to start point into the street and saying we've had enough of this, but only i really imagined, i really hope that would happen. but let me go to eat here. i mean, these publics are so propagandized, you know, it'd be, you know, they would appear as morgan had the most ridiculous debate on his podcast. i hate to even kind of promoted, but it was really just ridiculous. no historical references are made the mince

process, nato expansion mean these audiences are so propagandized, they have no facts to grapple with and it and, and because you want to be popular, you just go along with what the, the powerful say, i mean, this is a real challenge of, of informing people that's the purpose of this program actually go heavy. i, i completely agree. i mean, i, you know, i think it's probably not quite as bad in some of the european countries as it is in canada for instance. but it's, it's absolutely started the, the math, vast majority of people who claim to be even informed. pay attention to the issue have literally, they don't even know what makes the court was i, i interviewed politicians, i ukraine of as a politician from a left wing party here and come back. and he literally did not know what i was talking about. yeah. and he's come out, he's on the stage where bit of back you came to the end of this kind of rhetoric because he, i don't really know how to start in, in, in dealing with that. so the,

the political structures, i mean principally the media in this make it correctly difficult to, to overcome that. but you know, it is possible. and i do also think that one of the things we're seeing here in montreal like this opposition to israel genocide and gaza, which has been really significant. while we saw over the weekend with the nato summit, as we saw people who been mobilized around how this time broadening their, their, their views and, and taking on nato. and we had the 1500 people march on the data assignments. and, you know, some windows are broken and stuff like that, but it was a, it was, you know, so successful sense that there is some broadening of, of consciousness above, you know, imperialism came for our policy. the question nato. will that be enough that the political structures in europe and the people are able to integrate free from that before we, we delve into something incredibly horrible. i don't, i don't know,

but um, but i think that there's no doubt that people are just completely propagandized on the, on all these issues. you know, a, a, i'm sorry sarah. um and looking like again and made reference to about the the sunday shows and how well um, bombastic. uh these trump appointees are um, you know, just kind of very general question. i've asked it before on this program, and i think it's worth asking again. why is it seems like every time americans vote for a president, they end up with john mccain. the ghost of john mccain is the he, you know, he, the stench of, of john mccain will never go away as long as the c panel is likely. yeah. okay. one minute this is, sarah allows me to make sure i was just reading lecture about color evolutions and i saw john mccain and then i looked at george and i was like, were member, be rid of this man. so it's funny that you say that his back again. so yes,

the john mccain, it's the unit party. it's that john mccain was such a great example of how the 2 parties sort of overlap and 10 kind of votes for it and work together in foreign policy. so i love that you picked john mccain because he was sort of the middle of the aisle god. well, i mean the, let's see what see when, you know, when there's bipartisanship in washington, that's means you have to grab your wall with close your bank account. and run out the door because with these people it's, they only get together on the most evil things. okay. john mccain was that he was evil incarnate. okay. it's truly amazing. and i can grab guarantee you won't have to finish right now, but i can guarantee you will be talking about. he is a ghost for a very, very long time. that's all the time we have. i want to take my guess in washington, montreal and seattle. and of course i want to thank our viewers for watching us here at r t. so you next time, remember, cross levels, the,

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